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Wikipedia 15

Wikipedia is celebrating its 15th birthday on January 15, 2016. I have thought for a while that it would be neat to meet some local wikipedians. According to the wikipedians in Winnipeg or Wikipedians in Manitoba category you are one of us. I am contacting people in this category to say: Let's celebrate this milestone. If you know other wikipedians, please ask them to join in as well.

I am posting this to your talk page as a transclude so that any updates will show up automatically.

Hope to see you there! Tenbergen (talk) 04:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One other Winnipeg Wikipedian showed up, in addition to a number of regular skullspace members. It was nice to actually talk to someone else who has worked with Mediawiki and actually "gets" transclusion. Cake was eaten! Tenbergen (talk) 06:37, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aw, apparently I haven't logged in to Wikipedia in over 6 years and I totally missed this message and the event! I guessed I missed any 20 year celebration, too. Let me know if you end up doing a 25 year one. :) Clayton Rumley (talk) 22:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yo Ho Ho

Iryna Harpy (talk) is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec16a}} to your friends' talk pages.

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Happy St. Patrick's Day

Happy St. Patrick's Day!
I hope your St. Patrick's Day is enjoyable and safe. Hopefully next year there will be more festive celebrations.
Best wishes from Los Angeles. // Timothy :: talk

A barnstar for your efforts

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		Awarded for efforts in expanding and verifying articles related to the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis and 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 7 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:STABLE

Hi!

Please read Wikipedia:Stable version#Inappropriate usage. While the whole thing is an explanatory essay, challenging its validity would require admitting that the whole concept is not a policy or guideline (unlike BLP).

Thanks, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 00:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but sorry: but in relation to what? —Michael Z. 00:45, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was primarily in relation to invocations of the concept that you made earlier this month at Talk:Igor Girkin and one or more revert summaries to the article. I happened to come across another unrelated mention of WP:STABLE, read the essay, and afterward thought it might be worth dropping a line here also.

But also, the more informed one is, the more informed they are :)

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 22:09, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but also be mindful that WP:BRD discussion occurs while an article remains at its pre-bold version:

If your bold edit was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version. If your reversion was reverted, then do not re-revert to your version. Instead, take it to the talk page (see below). If you re-revert, then you are no longer following BRD.

—Michael Z. 18:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dovbush (disambiguation)

Your opinion: [1] - Altenmann >talk 17:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:2014 Crimean parliamentary election

Hi

enough is enough. There are lots violations in talk page. What is the solution? Panam2014 (talk) 23:42, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting against 4 editors to return a source is pretty edit-warry

Hi Mzajac. I just want to repeat that you were the one that added the Serby source to the lead [2], and you reverted to restore it four times, against four different editors [3] [4] [5] [6]. You against 4 editors isn't a good look to have. Please let's try to work together to make Wikipedia a positive space.Stix1776 (talk) 09:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you speaking for the three others? There are just we two in the current discussion. If you mean to imply that this indicates a consensus, then please show that you have surveyed all edits, not just three that coincide with your opinion, and that you have gone through all relevant discussions.

Why are you consistently misspelling Roman Serbyn’s name? I thought it was a typo, but now I wonder if you are doing this intentionally. Is there a point? —Michael Z. 16:28, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget to assume good faith. I'll be more careful in the future, but misspelling an author's name whom I'm not knowledgeable about seems perfectly understandable. Stix1776 (talk) 02:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Empire categories

Your point that blanket calling anyone from the Russian Empire "Russian", is why I have been creating lots of specific categories grouping together people from the Russian Empire by occupation and other things. Calling members of other ethnic groups in the Russian Empire "Russian" is inaccurate. I have also resisted attempts to place these categories under Russian categories, but there is much work to do on this. I am starting to think that having any Category called Russian is just too ambiguous and confusing, and that we should create a system where we make it clear what we call Russian lawyers is a category limited to people who were lawyers in the Russian state that has existed since 1991. People may not be ready to go that far, but we can certainly do a better job in not mass labeling subjects of the Russian Empire as "Russian" who never used that name for themselves.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Agreed with all of the above.

We still have a potential issue with assuming things about categories. Yes, we can disambiguate X from the Russian Empire and X from the Russian Federation, when that is appropriate. Emigration from a state or country can be defining for a single instance of migration. (And I’d argue in the case of an empire, migration from a country in it is more specific and maybe more appropriate).

But for categorizing people as such, sources may treat them differently. I recently discovered the documentation in an excellent source on artists, the Getty Research Union List of Artist Names, which has a nationality field in its database, with plenty of detailed advice on what to enter.[7] For starters, nationality here means “a reference to the nationality, culture, ethnicity, race, religion, sexual identity, or sexual orientation or preference of the person or corporate body,” and is often not simple. —Michael Z. 03:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RFC about decommunized, occupied settlements in Ukraine

The Khrustalnyi RM has gone through, and as we discussed there, we could now start an RFC at UAPLACE to move over all the other minor decommunized settlements. Problem is, I don't really know how to propose an RFC like this, especially at this scale. I don't want to mess up the formatting and just clog the bureaucracy with a malformed proposal. Any suggestions? HappyWith (talk) 18:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RFCs can be fraught. I’m sometimes surprised at what a poor reception an obviously good proposal gets (and occasionally surprised when a potentially controversial one is broadly accepted).

Another option is to just do a multiple-article move request (like this). This is best if all of the cases are simple and similar to be dealt with as a group (because sometimes a discussion can get hung up on a single exceptional example). But I’ve generally had good results. It’s not too difficult and I’d be glad to initiate the proposal.

Do you have a list of the candidates to look over? If it is large maybe it can be divided into a few categories to be done in batches, perhaps from more obvious ones that can serve as a precedent for the potentially controversial? —Michael Z. 20:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would this be the full list?: List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of decommunization in 2016. —Michael Z. 20:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If that's not all of them, I have to assume it's the vast majority. I think a series of multimoves are the way to go, with the discussion on the talk page of WP:UAPLACE. I think we should do only the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblast settlements at first, because I suspect Crimean settlements and raions will be more controversial. HappyWith (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen some editors argue that Crimean settlements should be treated differently, but I have seen no convincing argument for this, given that their status is the same as some settlements in other parts of Ukraine: occupied and illegally claimed as “annexed.” Not sure that passively and preemptively giving in to these demands is the best way to apply the guidelines fairly to this entire group of articles. —Michael Z. 22:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see the list says that the law specific to places in Crimea (ПВРУ 1352-VIII)[8] has not entered force yet, but looking at the source it looks like it was amended by several other laws. Can you determine whether it is now in force or not? —Michael Z. 22:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at that later, when I can more thoroughly look at sources. In the meantime, I actually noticed that almost none of these Crimean settlements even have wiki articles, and of the ones that do, many of them have already been moved to their decommunized names. HappyWith (talk) 22:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And some of them have been renamed to historical pre-communist names. —Michael Z. 23:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I translated the legal documents, and apparently as recently as last month, the law has been changed from previously specifying that it would come into effect upon recapture of Crimea to instead say the name changes are in effect immediately:

2. In paragraph 2 of the Resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine "On Renaming Individual Settlements and Districts of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the City of Sevastopol" (Vidomosti Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, 2016, No. 23, Article 478) the words "will be temporarily enforced from the moment of return of the occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol under the general jurisdiction of Ukraine" shall be replaced by the words "entered into force from the date of entry into force of the Law of Ukraine "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of Ukraine Regarding the Resolution of Certain Issues of the Administrative and Territorial System of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea".

So, I think the name changes are in effect in Ukrainian law now. I'm not 100% sure, as I don't speak Ukrainian and Google Translate may be producing a misleading translation, but I'm pretty sure. HappyWith (talk) 23:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That was my impression too, but I wasn’t confidant that I’d totally untangled all the spaghetti of amendments and interdependent laws. I’ll try to find English or Ukrainian-language news about this to confirm. —Michael Z. 23:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3

Hello! Could you create an article about Starostyn district of Ukraine? It is a de facto administrative unit of the countries of the fourth level. You previously added an article about the povit of Ukraine, so I thought I might find it interesting. Cringe2034 (talk) 22:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bortkieiwcz

Hi, I noticed you brought up Bortkieiwcz description in August. That conversation has restarted with some pretty strong new sources. You might want to check it out Chasetry78 (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 Hello! Could you create an article about Starostyn district of Ukraine? It is a de facto administrative unit of the countries of the fourth level. You previously added an article about the [[povit]] of Ukraine, so I thought I might find it interesting. [[User:Cringe2034|Cringe2034]] ([[User talk:Cringe2034|talk]]) 22:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
+== Bortkieiwcz ==
+Hi, I noticed you brought up Bortkieiwcz description in August. That conversation has restarted with some pretty strong new sources. You might want to check it out [[User:Chasetry78|Chasetry78]] ([[User talk:Chasetry78|talk]]) 17:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)