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How may I create an article?

This may come off as stupid, but how can I create one? Cyb3rstarzzz (talk) 14:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cyb3rstarzzz, reading WP:Your First Article should teach you all you need to know to get started. 👍 Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Users of all experience levels--beginner like you or veteran like me--are encouraged to use the Articles for Creation (AFC) process, which also provides the Article Wizard to start things off. If you need help with sources, talk to someone with WP:Library access (me included) or at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, and they'll help you out. Also, what Ca linked to earlier on. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

What is the notable (lots of secondary sources) subject that you wish to write about? 98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cyb3rstarzzz See Lorem ipsum, a popular "fake latin" text that is quite popularly used in English writing. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Cyb3rstarzzz! To create an article, you first need to find a title for the article, which none of the existing articles has. There are two ways to do this:

1. Find a red link somewhere on Wikipedia, it might look something like this: Green-footed duck. Then click on it.
2. If you can't find the red link you need, you can come up with an article title that isn't currently used for any articles and type it directly into your browser's address bar like this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<Title of your article>

For example, the address of the current web page is

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse

and let's say you want to create an article "Green-footed duck". Then you erase "Wikipedia:Teahouse" and type "Green-footed duck" instead, resulting in

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green-footed duck

Then hit the Enter key.

Then, if an article with that title has not yet been created by other users, a message will appear: Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name, and under this message there will be a link: Start the Green-footed duck article. Click on it. During this step, a permission error may occur and the message will appear: This IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. This error sometimes appears due to the use of VPN, or open proxies. Therefore, if you are using them, try disabling them and then repeat all the steps from the beginning. Also, if you are not logged in, logging in can sometimes help resolve the issue. Then, if everything goes well, you will be taken to the "Creating Green-footed duck" page. (Note: if you clicked the red link, you may be taken directly to this page). There will be a large empty text area on this page. Type something in this text area, and then click the blue "Publish page" button. That's it! You have just created a new article that is visible to all Wikipedia users. This article will display the text you typed in the text area, but you can also use wiki markup in addition to plain text, for example to add bold text, italics, sections, images and other files, templates, links to other articles and web pages outside of Wikipedia, references and other things. Happy articles creation! Chermundy (talk) 22:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Removing Talk Page Comments

The Bobbie R. Allen Talk Page contains rude comments, and I would like to either delete them or archive them and not create an uproar by the writer. Can I get some help on this? Wdallen49 (talk) 13:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wdallen49 is this about Chris troutman's comments at Talk:Bobbie R. Allen? Per WP:TPO, you are not allowed to remove or alter others' comments, unless it is a personal attack or purely disruptive, which their comments were not. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Those comments seem pretty tame. No comment on the notability of the subject or which sources contribute to establishing that, but the citation style of that article is... I hesitate to use the word incorrect, but I'm off to fix it I guess. Folly Mox (talk) 16:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait hang on how many of these sources are primary materials that have been uploaded to Commons? This is weird. Folly Mox (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Wdallen49, are c:File:Natl Aircraft Accident Investigation School Photos, 1963 - 1965.pdf et seq really your Own work? I accept that you're a family member of the subject per your declared COI (thank you), and that you probably have these materials in your possession physically, but that's not how copyright attribution works. Folly Mox (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Three family photos deleted for claim as "Own work". David notMD (talk) 16:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD@Folly Mox He created his own BLP. Almost all the edits are his. This is not acceptable. Doug Weller talk 18:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

It's clear that a lot of rather serious research went into this article, but Wikipedia really isn't the proper venue to publish it. Sources like c:File:Cold Cat Shot Photo Sequence, Bobbie R. Allen, 1953.pdf, c:File:Bobbie R. Allen, Travel - Passports.pdf, File:Cdr Bobbie R. Allen, Commanding Officer, VS-721, Berlin Crisis 1962.pdf, this official letter from the Pentagon hosted at google drive, etc: these are obviously difficult to obtain sources that could really help inform a biography of this subject, but none of them can be used as sources for a Wikipedia article.

Wdallen49, have you considered submitting this for publication somewhere? Alternatively, have you considered Wikibooks? Sources for Wikipedia articles need to have been published somewhere already. The applicable policy is Wikipedia:No original research. Folly Mox (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox, Would you have time and interest in helping to improve this article further? I see you've made quite a few fixes, and I am happy to support if you're interested. Wdallen49 (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

A good deal of the information was obtained from Mr. Allen's Civil Service Records. All military photos were generated by the U.S. Navy and were in Mr. Allen's possession when he passed. Wdallen49 (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox These photos were in my father's possession when he passed away in 1972. I uploaded them to Wikimedia and of the options presented when uploaded, the option of "Own work" seemed to be the most plausible. Wdallen49 (talk) 20:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Article edited. I'm not sure how much of the Commons material is properly licensed, but most of it appears to be {{pd-usgov}}. I am real bad at copyright so that could probably use a double check.

As foretold, I did fix the raw url citations to files uploaded to Commons and to here. Removed citations to entirely unsuitable sources. Added Template:Primary sources, which along with MOS issues is probably the biggest remaining problem. I didn't verify any claims.

This concludes my accountability. Folly Mox (talk) 02:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh no just kidding I missed several citations to Wikimedia uploads formatted in cs1 templates 💀 Maybe later, Folly Mox (talk) 03:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Follow ups are here and here. Folly Mox (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Nereidagarciaferraz draft declined for lack of reliable sources

I have been trying to publish this article about artist Nereida Garcia Ferraz and its been declined for lack of reliable sources.

Whenever available online, I have added notes at the end of the sentence. Sometimes 2 or 3.

I had a huge list of exhibitions but because of the year they took place there is not information online so I removed those. I have added references and cites from online sources other that her own website but they seem not to be sufficient. Can you help me understand what else I can do?

Thanks!

Draft:Nereida Garcia Ferraz Bzbustamante (talk) 14:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources do not have to be online, a hyperlink is useful, but not essential. Paper sources (books, magazines, newspapers, etc.) are perfectly admissible provided that the appropriate bibliographical details are given, since nearly all such sources will be held in libraries or archives somewhere. These can often be obtained by inter-library loans, or in extremis can be consulted by visiting the appropriate archive, etc.

See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources#Examples. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 15:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I wonder if references from online Books reviews when the artist is referenced like this: https://upf.com/book.asp?id=9781683404026 or from Google Books such as this one will be enough?: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Latinx_Photography_in_the_United_States/6a4WEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=nereida+garcia+ferraz&pg=PA109&printsec=frontcover

Thank you in advanced,

Beatriz Bzbustamante (talk) 18:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Bzbustamante, your first suggested source is not a book review; it's instead the page about the book by its publisher, the University of Florida Press. It is not disinterested, and can only be used for limited purposes. It does include blurbs written by others. Such blurbs are not usable. Yes, it's possible that a blurb is extracted from a book review; if so, cite the book review. Your second suggested source is a reproduction at Google Books of part -- or conceivably even all (I haven't checked) -- of a book. Cite the book; in the reference, you may also provide the link to the reproduction at Google Books. -- Hoary (talk) 22:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft Problem

During the making of my draft, a text has appeared saying: Preview warning: Page using Template:Infobox national football team with unknown parameter "Home stadium" while I was making an infobox. A message like this has appeared several times. I don't understand why this is happening. WikiPhil012 (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

WikiPhil012, parameter names are case sensitive. According to the template documentation, you'll be wanting to use |Home Stadium= rather than |Home stadium= (although someone should probably just alias them in the template code). Folly Mox (talk) 19:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I had difficulty guessing myself. WikiPhil012 (talk) 19:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Add topic and reply aren't working

When I try to add a topic to a talk page or reply to a message in a talk page, it does not work, so I have to instead use "Edit" and it's really annoying. Can anyone help? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 20:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Reply works on my IPad, but it didn’t work on my computer last night, which was annoying 24.115.255.37 (talk) 11:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

it works now 24.115.255.37 (talk) 04:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

England 2024

Hi I just wanted to add that England won the 2024 euros after beating Switzerland, Netherlands and then Spain in the final, but it keeps getting reverted, why is this. 68.189.2.14 (talk) 21:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

You're asking about what's said in one or more articles. Each article has a "talk page", reached by going to the article and there clicking "Talk". Make your question/request/complaint on the relevant talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

That would be because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and because talk pages are for discussion on how to improve the attached article and not, in this specific example, for speculation on who will win the Euros. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

England won the Euros beating Spain in a thriller, Albärt[1]told me. That's not speculation that's a first hand source. He's already been telling multiple people that England already won. 68.189.2.14 (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Your fantasies interest nobody here. You're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 23:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Funny because Wikipedia is filled with fantasies, and inept people like yourself. No wonder you can only contribute to obscure photography articles, that seems fitting for a feeble-minded dunce like yourself. Enjoy your stupidity while it lasts.68.189.2.14 (talk) 08:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Isoko people

Can someone please adjudicate my edit, followed by a revert, to Isoko people. I don't want to get into an editor war. Also, is there a policy prohibiting or allowing redlinks in lists of notable people? Thank you 76.14.122.5 (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Trulyy. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Redlinks are typically not appropriate for lists of notable people, since one common and easy way of verifying that soeone is "notable" is by having an article about them. Sometimes they are allowed if there is is a strong enough reference that supports a claim of presumed notability (that is, someone could easily write a viable article to make it a bluelink) and also that they are actually a member of the group. Wikipedia:Write the article first is indeed a good pointer. DMacks (talk) 04:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I need help

Tonia Woodson has been hurting her daughter for some time. Trafficking her with her boyfriend Marty. Her daughter is now living with an older man over 21. He is trafficking her due to Marty can you please help us find her 64.127.222.3 (talk) 02:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sounds as if you should explain the matter to a citizens' advice bureau. But you're at the wrong place: this is an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

why Columbia is considered as female personification

Not an issue for Teahouse. Referred elsewhere.

why Columbia is considered as female personification? Does this from the antient Myths and legends？ while I read that "Columbia is usually depicted unaccompanied and as a goddess-like human. ""carrying telegraph lines across the Western frontier to fulfill manifest destiny.", I both think of myself story. There is unhuman creature inside me, it keep on telling lies, and tell me that it will make me to be the goddness-like human, and it persecute me to be lonely,so i read the "unaccompanied""manifest destiny",sensible. 蔡菲 (talk) 03:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@蔡菲: the Teahouse is for asking questions related to editing Wikipedia. Try the reference desk for general knowledge questions like this. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I find its so many rule in Wikipedia. I publish in "talk", they told me talk is for improvement discuss.and block my account in Chinese wiki. I publish in Teahouse, you tell me its for editing wikipedia.

I think I should not publish anything in Wiki. 蔡菲 (talk) 03:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I think there may be some confusion here. Talk pages are not forums about articles' subjects and are instead for discussing improvements to articles. You were blocked on zhwiki per WP:NOTHERE and using talk pages as forums, and there's nothing we can do about that here. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Shi Ping to the record of oldest verified people Wiki Page.

A week or so ago, China's oldest man Shi Ping has passed away and he was at 112 years 241 days old and surprisingly at the List of the verified oldest people he is not listed there. Can some user add him since I am not an autoconfirmed user? I do however have proof of his death and age right here- https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Shi_Ping TAD1993 (talk) 03:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

TAD1993, Fandom is not taken seriously. If you have more authoritative evidence for this, then present it with your request at the foot of Talk:List of the verified oldest people. -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The article of Shi Ping already has a reference. - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 09:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

How to alphabetize a list of people where some of them go by nicknames?

The List of first ladies of the United States isn't sorted by last name, even though I've seen more lists of people be sorted by last name. I was going to sort the list like that, but then I ran into a problem. Some of the people go by nicknames, which is referenced in article like this: Firstname "Nickname" Lastname. Should I sort by the first name, or by the nickname given? CitationsFreak (talk) 05:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Alphabetical sorting of people is usually by last name in other contexts (MOS:LISTSORT and WP:DEFAULTSORT). In that case, the only time a first-name or nick-name would be relevant is if the last-name is the same. I do not see any such cases involving nick-named people on that list. DMacks (talk) 05:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

There is such an issue with "Eliza Johnson" and "Claudia 'Lady Bird' Johnson". CitationsFreak (talk) 05:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Good find! I'd defer to our WP article itself, which is (presumably) based on various WP guidelines. The page is Lady Bird Johnson, the first sentence is arranged as [first "nick" last], and the defaultsort key is "Johnson, Lady Bird". So in this other context I would write [first "nick" last] an sort by the nick rather than the first. Given that's the only(?) example and it's just two names, worst case is that readers see one pair in an unexpected order but can still easily see them both and find the one they want. DMacks (talk) 06:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Got it. I'll sort by nicknames in these cases, with a note explaining that fact. CitationsFreak (talk) 06:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Please clarify

I found both Category:Wikipedia pages needing cleanup and Category:Articles needing cleanup. Both are sorted by month. I thought it was possible that the first one contained all pages, and the second one contained only articles, but this does not appear correct as both contain almost entirely articles. Please clarify why these two separate category systems exist. 2601:644:9083:5730:240E:C260:4C41:7F43 (talk) 06:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I suspect that it's likely that there are, at this time, just no other types of pages that have been marked as needing cleanup for the former category. 331dot (talk) 07:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Their histories show that Rich Farmbrough created both. So if you're really interested in their respective purposes, you could ask him. -- Hoary (talk) 08:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rich Farmbrough: Please clarify. 2601:644:9083:5730:F555:D1EC:BA1A:3DFF (talk) 16:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent updates on political figures and positions

There needs to be some updates on new information at the article Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and another British political positions as well as political figures can someone be kind enough to add some new information on these new articles and expand them and update them as quickly as possible? in Prime Minister of the United Kingdom article you have to expand the authority powers and constraints section of the article and needs to add legislative powers executive powers of government policy and term limits. These are the topics that need some updates and new information. Can somebody do this? Altonydean (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

129 KB (14,062 words) - 23:04, 5 July 2024 2600:1016:B04C:17E5:0:29:CFCA:5E01 (talk) 09:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry? Altonydean (talk) 10:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Ignoring the IP entry, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has thousands of viewers every day, and hundreds of watchers who look at recent changes. Also, since the election results there have been many, many edits - presumably updates. In general, Teahouse Hosts are generalists - here to advise, but not to address requests for article changes. Either attempt to make changes yourself, or ask on the Talk page of the article(s). David notMD (talk) 11:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the inconvenience caused by this error. Altonydean (talk) 12:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Nicholas Omonuk

Hello i request for support on my page. I have more references about the subject Draft:Nicholas Omonuk Clare Nassanga (talk) 09:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Clare Nassanga you asked the same question at the AfC help desk. Please see the responses you recieved there. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Declined five times and then Rejected as clearly being a non-famous climate activist does not make him Wikipedia-notable. Rejected means do not try again. If you persist, there is a risk that your account will be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 11:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Alongside5 not working?

Hello, can someone help me figure out why parameter alongside5 isn't working on this page James B. Ricaud for infobox officeholder? --Engineerchange (talk) 10:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Engineerchange. alongside5 is only displayed if term_start5 is set. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Not sure how I missed that. Thanks! --Engineerchange (talk) 14:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Help requested with translation and editing of article about quick clay landslide in Sweden

01:27, 7 July 2024 review of submission by 82.173.160.29

• 82.173.160.29 (talk · contribs)
  • Landslide at Stenungsund junction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Landslides are a fascinating subject and Wikipedia even has a long list of landslides, but it seems that if there's no English text available, the landslide in question is considered to not have happened, eg. ignored by scientists.

I just spent several hours to translate

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordskredet_vid_Stenungsundsmotet

into

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Landslide_at_Stenungsund_junction&action=history

and I added 15 references, but sure enough, in stead of helping me to turn my draft into something worth publishing, somebody is trying to put my work on fire.

Who can please help to get this translation job finished? Help is not we destroy your work, so you can start all over again or Bring a lawyer to defend your attempt at helping Wikipedia I give up here 82.173.160.29 (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor! I don't see anyone trying to "put your work on fire" - one editor did remove a stray weblink, but then promptly reverted themselves. All 15 references seem to still be there. Your draft has been declined for not having suitable references - is that what's upsetting you? If that's not it, could you try explaining to us?

Could I also very strongly suggest you not consider bringing lawyers into the process - we take legal threats very seriously, and you may be blocked if you say that you are intending to consult a lawyer over the matter. Using this page will be a much faster and more effective strategy to get your draft published, if you can find good sources! The sources can be online or offline, and can be in any language, but please keep in mind that English Wikipedia has some of the strictest referencing requirements to prove something is notable. If you are unsure about why your references were not considered suitable, I would be happy to go through them with you. Drmies is a very experienced reviewer, so there will be a reason the draft was declined this time. If you implement their feedback, your draft may well be approved next time. StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, StartGrammarTime! Please allow me to clarify that "Bring a lawyer" was not to be taken literally. This was rather a sarcastic joke, as to express my frustration that several hours of work are just swiped off the table, for reasons I don't understand. Please read my defense below, written after a short night of sleep.

It is not like quick clay landslides are a minor issue in Norway and Sweden. Such landslides have caused disasters in the past, claiming dozens of lives. Stenungsund had a narrow escape here, with no fatal victims. If the landslide would have pushed a little further, it would have taken down houses with sleeping inhabitants in them. The question about what caused the landslide is halfway being answered, but further research may cause the Stenungsund landslide to be in the Swedish newspapers again, maybe a couple of times.

One should also consider that E6 motorway is the main connection between Norway and Sweden. It's like you cut off I95 on the American east coast. The Swedish king would not have showed up at the reopening of a local village road. To claim that the cutting off of such an important road, with a detour that lasted almost 9 months and caused a great disturbance in local villages, would be just quoting your local village newspaper is a thing that I fail to understand.

Please beware that questions about how long this E6 motorway will last until the next landslide strikes are still open; There seems to be on ongoing minor scandal about missing geological research that should have been performed before even building the E6 motorway. Many sources are in Swedish. It could have been easy to swamp this article with 20 more references, from newspapers that do have serious reputations inside Sweden, but I deliberately chose to quote mostly English language sources, with an exception for Swedish if that source had pictures of video that is very telling for the story.

This landslide may not have been in The Guardian in London, or in The Washington Post, but it was noticed by CNN, also an American news chain with a reputation. If making it into The Guardian in London, or into The Washington Post were to be the criteria for being a notable event, we could delete half of the articles in Wikipedia. I think I have even seen an article in Wikipedia's policy, that we should all work together to avoid that Wikipedia becomes a project with a perspective centered around one single country, as Wikipedia is a worldwide project. This is what I find so valuable about Wikipedia: Here I am, living my life in Europe, but whenever I am curious enough to look something up that is far outside my daily life, Wikipedia is the treasury that has it all, even if many articles seem not very notable to me.

I don't understand what is expected from me. I will definitely not invest more time in an article that gets refused anyway. I still think that I have laid the foundations for an article that needs some editing and has the potential to meet all of Wikipedia's criteria, but I have a life outside of Wikipedia and will not waste any more energy. Wikipedia is said to be a community project, but all that I see happening is people being strongly discouraged to move a finger to contribute, because there will always be some editor, well respected within his or her own small circle, to take down any effort to contribute. If they cannot find valid reasons to do that, they will lure you into an edit war and ban you from Wikipedia, as if that would make me cry. If you feel like it, go ahead and ban my IP for life, in all languages that I have edited in. It would save me tons of time!

Hereby I will put my "baby" in a crib and let the river decide if the baby will float or drown. Anyone feeling tempted to edit my article about the landslide at Stenungsund junction, please go ahead. I don't care if my IP is registered to reflect the time I invested. I would just be delighted if this article would get it's translation from Swedish into English, in any sort of form. You might even argue that an English version could be much shorter than what I had written so far, because some details are not as relevant to the outside world, as they are for people in Sweden. That does not mean that one could convince me that a quick clay landslide that has been a revolving issue in Swedish newspapers over the last 8½ months is not an event notable enough to be mentioned on Wikipedia in some form. There is a red link in the list of landslides on Wikipedia. I hope somebody will make that link turn blue! 82.173.160.29 (talk) 09:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I have some somewhat good news for you. Immediately upon searching for some sources, I notice that this article could be expanded. There was an investigation into the causes of it, which found that ...the landslide had been triggered by a nearby construction site where too much excavated material had been piled up, putting excessive strain on the ground below.

This lead to criminal charges against three people. This could definitely expand the article, and can lead to further sources later down the line when the case against them concludes.

To actually get back into the swing of things on Wikipedia and push myself to work on cutting down my to-do list, I'll help you to improve the article. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you/tack så mycke, Commissar Doggo! :-) Your contirbution to my draft article is the sort of help I was hoping for. I was aware about a criminal investigation going on, but my knowledge of Swedish language is rather passive. I do agree that this needs further research. I just wonder whenever this article is ready enough to romove it's draft-status. Am I the only one who can request publishing? I feel that not being logged in triggers a defautl "I don't trust IP users"-like reaction. What should I do next? 82.173.160.29 (talk) 13:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

You aren't the only one who can request publishing. I could just as easily request it now, however that's not going to happen as it's not quite ready, but with improvements and extended coverage it can definitely turn out alright.

As for IP users, while some people do show animosity towards IP/new users at times, IP users are people too and the large majority of users don't bite the newcomers.

That being said there are numerous benefits to making an account, which can be found here. It's entirely personal choice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help, CommissarDoggo! To avoid any edit conflicts, let me take a step back and wait and see what your good work can do to improve my draft article. You are definitely heading into the right direction! I wonder what more you are hiding in your sleeve.

You've asked for a citation. Let me admit that I have been a bit lazy in translating the Swedish article, assuming that they had checked their information. Well, assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups, so we may need to double check what the Swedish author has written.

Please take a look at this weblink that refers to an article in Göteborgs Posten, titled Skredet på E6 varade i nästan en minut (https://www.gp.se/1.110855805), which I would translate as Landslide on E6 lasted almost 1 minute (without checking any dictionary)

Now closely watch what happens if we go back to that same article: Göteborgs Posten has updated their article and the claim that the landslide lasted one minute can no longer be covered with the reference in the Swedish article. I would assume that this error was made in good faith.

I have just sent an e-mail to the Swedish National Seismic Network at the University of Uppsala, with a request for access to the seismic data of the Tjörn measuring station for the 23rd of September 2023. I just hope that nobody will claim that I did not try to get my facts straight! ;-)

One last question to CommissarDoggo: Can I assume that you don't read Swedish? Do you know if it's possible to create language links between the original article in Swedish called Jordskredet vid Stenungsundsmotet and the draft article that we are now working on? Or is that too soon? 82.173.160.29 (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hopefully that request is well received, it'd be good to have a citation. You're correct to assume I don't know a lick of Swedish, and I'm fairly certain that you cannot link two articles until they're both out of the draft stage; if I'm wrong on that, anyone can feel free to correct me. That being said, I have introduced interlanguage links to several pages on the draft.

I'd advise that we move any further communication to the draft talk page. Oh, and feel free to add any improvements you want, I'm going to be putting this down for the time being and will likely return to it either later tonight or tomorrow. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Landslide at Stenungsund junction has been declined once, which is not the end of the world (not even locally). If you intend to abandon the draft, do so. Drafts with no progess being made are deleted at six months. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

renaming a draft

Hi!! While working on a draft I realized that the sources available weren't enough to qualify for the making of it or not notable, therefore, I decided to rename that draft and write about something else on it since not much work has been done. Does anyone know how can I do that? Thanks, xx feni (tellmehi) 13:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello. The specific title of a draft isn't particularly important. If you submit it for review and it is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title within the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 13:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

If you want to retitle it nevertheless, you use the "move" function which can be found in the Tools drop down menu(if you are using the default skin it's in the top right corner) 331dot (talk) 13:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Book jackets

Quick question, if I may: how does Wikipedia stand on including book jacket images in articles about books, please? Is it acceptable to use the ones on sites like Amazon, which are in the public domain? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 14:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The ones on Amazon are not public domain, ArthurTheGardener, and their copyright likely belongs to the publisher. Almost everything on the Internet (or offline for that matter)—with few exceptions (copyright expiration due to age, work of a government employee as part of their official duties)—is copyrighted unless explicitly stated otherwise. Use of all copyrighted material must follow our guidelines for non-free content. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

If this is about User:ArthurTheGardener/sandbox, my suggestion is to not even worry about images until you have an article in articlespace, after which you can add the book cover per the non-free content criteria (NFCC). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so quickly: I appreciate your reply. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 15:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources on James A. Evans

James A. Evans has sources from Ancestry.com and Find a grave. I'm wondering why that is OK if those sites are unreliable according to Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content

FunFactsFanatic (talk) 14:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@FunFactsFanatic welcome to Wikipedia :) It seems that the author of the page used Ancestry.com (which, as you say, is generally considered unreliable as it contains user-generated content) to access reliable sources such as the 1880 US census, or the Colorado City Directory. In this case, I would advise against removing those sources or tagging them as unreliable, unless you have a clear reason to do so. The "Find a Grave" source is redundant, as all the information is already in the official burial register index, I therefore removed it. Broc (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Broc Thanks. Are these primary or secondary sources? 1880 US census, Colorado City Directory, Michigan Marriage Records. I was thinking those were primary sources and secondary sources are preferred. Is that correct? FunFactsFanatic (talk) 15:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@FunFactsFanatic you're correct, it seems those are mostly primary sources. Secondary sources are preferred, but primary sources can be used in some circumstances, which are detailed at WP:PRIMARY. If you have better sources at hand, feel free to add them to the page! Broc (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Waiting over a month for page to be reviewed

I submitted this page Wikipedia:Wallace Matthews for review over a month ago and have not heard anything. I do understand that there is short staffing of volunteers but am wondering if I did anything wrong.

Thanks in advance,

Gerald Latter Gilatter (talk) 17:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

This article doesn't have a review at all. However, why is it under Wikipedia? It should just be Wallace Matthews. Soafy234 (talk) 17:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gilatter

1. It doesn't look like you ever submitted it for review. To do that, you would need to use Template:AfC submission.
2. However, you are auto-confirmed now, which means you can create new articles directly or move pages to mainspace yourself. It's your choice whether you do that, or submit them for review.
3. When you move a page to mainspace, it should just be "Wallace Matthews", not "Wikipedia:Wallace Matthews". Currently, it is in "project space", which is different from "mainspace".

2601:644:9083:5730:F555:D1EC:BA1A:3DFF (talk) 17:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gilatter I moved your article to the draft namespace, and I suggest you submit it for AfC (using the {{AfC submission}} template, which a bot should add automatically) before moving it to the mainspace — which is the "article" mainspace, not the "Wikipedia" namespace — due to the limited number of sources your page has. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

So, now at Draft:Wallace Matthews, not submitted to AfC. David notMD (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

A lot of the content is without references. David notMD (talk) 05:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Generating citations

Hello! In the visual editor, you can paste in a URL and it will make a citation for you. Is it possible to do this in source editing mode? Wafflewombat (talk) 18:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes by clicking on "Cite" then "Templates". However, regardless if you input the information in either editor mode (visual or source), make sure that all necessary information are there of what was entered and/or automatically generated. Soafy234 (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Merging discussions

I want to propose a merger between two articles — the Emirate of Cordoba and the Caliphate of Cordoba — into a new article. I have everything ready, but I'm still unclear on where I'm supposed to post the discussion and the page Wikipedia: Merging didn't clarify that for me. Is it supposed to go under one of the articles talk pages or into a specific page for talking about merging? I don't quite understand. As well, how would I link to the discussion in the merge templetes that go at the top of the respective articles?

-- Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 19:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The template should go on a discussion on the talk pages of both articles, and the template should automatically do that (I may be wrong though). Use:

{{merge|Emirate of Cordoba|discuss=Talk:Caliphate of Cordoba#Merge proposal|date=July 2024}} (just flip the article names for the respective pages)

Hope this helps. :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 20:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Just to be clear then, the template goes on the discussion post too? Is that what you're saying? As well, I post the discussion on both talk pages? Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 22:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Yup! You should also put the template at the top of both articles , I forgot to mention that. So it goes on the main article, talk page, and discussion itself.Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 22:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 22:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I just saw this and I believe there's some confusion. WP:MERGEPROP specifies: "If two pages are proposed to be merged at a destination page that does not yet exist (destination does not have a talk page), use (...) on each source page, choosing one of the source talk pages as the discussion location and ensuring the discuss parameter directs to this talk page on both source pages."

It's not clear to new editors, but in other words: for this situation, just pick one talk page to post your proposal, then tag the two articles (not the talk pages) with the template mentioned, and link the single discussion you created in both templates. That way, all the discussion is in one place, whereas splitting the discussion in two locations would be confusing and potentially make it difficult to determine consensus.

Since I have experience with merges, I've just gone ahead and picked one of the talk pages (the one with the most visitors/watchers) and redirected the duplicate discussion there ([2]). I think that should all work out. R Prazeres (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Article page

In keeping with a previous question regarding creating the article on Saddle tramp and redirecting the current page saddle tramp (disambiguation) to a header link on that page; I am wondering how to go about this correctly. Making the newly creating article the main page and making the formerly disambiguation page a link from the header. I hope I'm explaining it correctly. Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 20:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Maineartists, it's not a straightforward move. What I understand you want to do is move Saddle tramp to Saddle tramp (disambiguation), and your sandbox to Saddle tramp. This can only be performed by page movers as existing redirects need to be deleted. I suggest you post your request at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Please make sure that the page you want to create (currently in your sandbox) fulfills notability criteria, especially WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Hope this helps. Broc (talk) 21:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Broc. I am confident that it meets notability [3] and is not WP:ND. That being said, just how does one request a move when the page is still in Sandbox format and not a published article? Should I publish under a different title and then request? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 21:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Maineartists WP:RM/TR can also deal with cross-namespace move requests. I would ask there directly. Broc (talk) 21:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 22:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thorny syntax

I'm wondering if someone can weigh in on a syntax question. I and a couple others are editing the Plot section of the Spider-Man (2002 film) page, and have been struggling with one segment. In brief: Peter Parker wins a wrestling event, but is cheated out of the prize money by the man running the event. A thief bursts in and robs the event, then flees. Instead of stopping him, Peter allows him to escape out of spite. Peter then finds that his Uncle Ben has been fatally shot by the thief, who also stole Ben's car.

Here is the current segment in question, which I find to have awkward syntax in the bolded portion: "Hoping to buy a car to impress Mary Jane, Peter wins an underground wrestling event, but is cheated out of his earnings. Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a carjacker that Peter let escape after robbing the event." 

I feel that a version I proposed is less awkward: "Hoping to buy a car to impress Mary Jane, Peter wins an underground wrestling event, but is cheated out of his earnings. Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a man who robbed the wrestling event, and who Peter allowed to escape."

Could I get your thoughts? We don't have to use either of these versions, if another better version exists. Wafflewombat (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The first one doesn't sound awkward to me. Its problem is that the reader may guess wrongly at the identity of the robber. The second sounds slightly more awkward to me but it's unambiguous and thus preferable. (Incidentally, you can, if you wish, use whom; but of course who is perfectly good here.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I think using "whom" in the first clause is not seem correct, according to Who_(pronoun)#Difference between "who" and "whom". It's the subject of that clause (replaceable as "he robbed" not "him robbed"). The second use could be "whom", as it's the object ("allowed him to escape" not "allowed he to escape"). DMacks (talk) 22:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Here are two alternate versions:

1. "Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a carjacker who Peter let escape after he robbed the event." The problem with this, and the previous version of it, is that it could be construed that Peter robbed the event (As Hoary pointed out).

2. "Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a man who robbed the wrestling event, and whom Peter allowed to escape." Could also be "...and whom Peter let escape."

Are we sure "whom" is correct here? It sounds weird. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

DMacks, the fact that "a man" is the subject of "robbed" in the second of the four versions doesn't mean that it's also the subject of "allowed". (It's understood as the object.) Wafflewombat, the second of your two new versions sounds good to me. Within it, whom is fine. And who would be fine as well, unless perhaps it strikes the reader as old-fashioned. (Rule of thumb: Any time you wonder whether whom would be correct, who is also or perhaps only correct. We are, after all, producing 21st-century English, not a slightly fictionalized 19th-century English.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I want help.

Hello sir/ma’am, I want to know the basics of editing in Wikipedia. If you want to tell me the basics, just create a new post on my talk. Thank you sir/ma’am. hi, my name is Pickleishere. i like Programming, and will be mad if that is taken from me. thanks, check my talk page here -> talk 00:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Pickleishere, a link on this page is labeled "Learn to edit". Just click on it and read what you see there. -- Hoary (talk) 01:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

thanks Hoary. Will check it. hi, my name is Pickleishere. i like Programming, and will be mad if that is taken from me. thanks, check my talk page here -> talk 01:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Pickleishere, we read that you like programming, etc, the first time around. (Incidentally, I don't know what it would mean for programming to be taken away from you.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I think that's their signature.. @Pickleishere I would recommend shortening that a little bit.  miranda :3  03:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

It’s my signature sir (Pickleishere) I like osu! And programming. talk 02:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Need help archiving

Hi all--I need someone to help me with archiving a version of a web site. Please see this edit: I really need this website to be archived, and added to the reference, because I think they are changed regularly. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 00:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

You can archive the website here: https://web.archive.org/. When citing it, make sure you enter the archived URL and date of archival in the citation. Soafy234 (talk) 00:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Soafy234, thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

policy revisions

For example, if I wanted to suggest a change to merging / moving page policies, where would I post my suggestion / proposal for this? Soafy234 (talk) 00:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). But only after very careful thought. If you've just had what you think is a great new idea, sleep on it. Then write it up on your computer. Then sleep on that. The next day, rewrite it, and post it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Top of article has excess spacing

The area between "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" and the beginning of the lead on articles such as medium Earth orbit include a large space that does not appear on most other articles. Why is this? Indochina2 (talk) 07:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Indochina2. A used template had newlines. I have removed them.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 08:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I get to know whether my article is published or not

How do I get to know whether my article is published or not Cuddapah Sri Paramahamsa Sachidananda Yogeeshwarar (Kadapa Swamy) (talk) 07:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, You have written on your user page, which is not article space, but a place for the named person to tell about themselves as a Wikipedia editor or user. New accounts cannot directly create articles, and need to submit a draft for review via the Article Wizard. Your text is "published" in that it is visible on your user page, but it is not formally part of the encyclopedia(note that it has "User:" in the title).

I must say that your text is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia. It is completely unsourced, and is written in the form of an essay giving the thoughts of the author(you) on the topic. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources say about the topic. Please use the new user tutorial] to learn more about Wikipedia before attempting the difficult task of writing a new article. 331dot (talk) 07:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I also wonder if you confused creating an account with creating an article. You may wish to change your username, see Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to do that. If you are writing about yourself, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Your User page content has been Speedy deleted. If your intent is to create and then submit a draft for review ("This page talks about Cuddapah Sri Sachidananda Yogeeshwarar, who is a Great Sadguru and has all the notable links which is required by Wikipedia"), then as advised above, use Article Wizard. General advice, often proffered here at Teahouse, is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article, but that is not a requirement. And either change your User name or abandon your account and start a new one, as a User name should not match the name of the person you wish to write about. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Request of feedback about edits and opinion of a talk page topic

Hello there! I'm rather a newbie on Wikipedia, and thus wanted to get some feedback on the first few 'larger' edits I have made on here! Those would be my edits on the Page List of national border changes (1914–present). Something I'd like to get feedback on is my usage of sources here and here, since sourcing is rather difficult to figure out and propperly do.

Another thing I wanted to ask is for opinions about my two talk topics of the same page. I'd like to clear them (or at least hear an opinion on them) before continuing to edit the page.

Any help is greatly appreciated, and I wish you all a nice day!

With kind regards, ShadowOfThePit (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ShadowOfThePit and welcome to Wikipedia! I am no expert in the topic, all I can say is that you are using in-line citations correctly. If you want to learn more about sources, which ones to use and which ones to avoid, have a look at Wikipedia:Reliable sources.

As for the content questions you posted on the talk page, as the topic is probably not very frequented, you will likely not get answers soon. I would suggest you to be bold and implement the changes. If other editors disagree with your changes, they will comment in the talk page and start a discussion. I hope this helps! Broc (talk) 13:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Is aggregating a medal table over decades of sports events original research

Is aggregating a medal table over decades of sports events WP:OR? Would such a table be ok although there is no fast way to check the data? (I have read WP:CALC.) IPPON01 (talk) 09:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

IPPON01 extending the idea of WP:SOURCEACCESS, sources shouldn't necessarily be easy to verify. So probably okay. Are you sure there isn't a sports website that has already aggregated such a medal table? In that case you can copy their medal table and cite them, avoiding this question in the first place. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Need help on deciding on short description

I tried to make a short description for the Easter truce. Is this a satisfactory one or should I include "Failed proposed ceasefire in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine", or change the wording or choice of words (e.g. failed)? RFNirmala (talk) 11:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RFNIrmala, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think you need the word "Failed": "Proposed" is enough, in my opinion. ColinFine (talk) 13:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Question

Where is the appropriate place to discuss the Euro football semifinals? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 11:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Qwerty 9706 If you're planning to discuss improving the Euro 2024 article, the best place would be its talk page. If you're planning to talk about the game in general, the best place to discuss it is somewhere outside of Wikipedia. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

If you wish to suggest improvements to a specific article, then the talk page of that article is the correct space, but Wikipedia is not social media and not the place for a general discussion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo @Shantavira OK. Thanks to both for your answer Qwerty 9706 (talk) 11:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

UEFA Euro 2024 knockout stage#Semi-finals has more details than UEFA Euro 2024#Semi-finals. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thanks, but I can't edit that page. I assume it is protected. When will I be able to edit it? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 11:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The article is semi-protected, meaning you have to be autoconfirmed (4 days and 10 edits) in order to edit it. In the meantime, you can request edits by using the {{edit semi-protected}} on its talk page. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi OK. How can I know how many edits I have? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

You can check your contributions by clicking the user icon on the top right of your screen, then clicking "Contributions". '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi In the top right of the mobile view I see the notification icon. Could you tell me how many edits I have? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:07, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

My bad, didn't realize you were on mobile. In that case you can go to Special:Contributions/Qwerty 9706 to check. Right now you have 11 edits. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi Thank you so much for checkjng, very kind of you. So if I'm not mistaken in 4 days I should be able to edit semi protected pages. Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that would be correct. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for more details. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I am a new Wikipedian

What can I do as a Wikipedian? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Qwerty 9706 welcome to Wikipedia! You can read Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia to find out how you can contribute. Many users contribute to topics they are interested in, some by adding content, some by improving the existing material.

If you are not sure what to do, you can check out the Task Center and find a task that is interesting for you. Feel free to ask if you have any specific questions, and happy editing! Broc (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Search results not fully working

So recently I noticed how weird it was that it was spelled "Parliament" and not "parliment" so went ahead a decided to do a search and fix pages that ussed the misspelling. The last result however (Luke Akehurst) doesn't have any uses of the misspelling, and the text around the mispelling that appears in the search also doesn't exist. I checked in the references, the source text (as I am using visual editor), but still nothing. I even checked to see if it was edited recently and the search results just a lagging behind a bit. I still found nothing. Sorry if that's a little confusing, I don't have a great idea of how to explain this. Heres a link to the search: Link Gaismagorm (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Gaismagorm. If you look at that list of search results, you'll see that the entry for Luke Ashurst has a timestamp of "2024-05-29T21:49:30". There's something odd going on, because the earliest version in the article's history was later than that, but the edit summary on that version is "JamesVilla44 moved page Luke Akehurst to Draft:Luke Akehurst: Move to draftspace (WP:DRAFTIFY): Not notable enough and page not ready enough to be in main space yet", so a version already existed, though I can't find its history.

So I'm guessing that that text was in a version from earlier on 29th May, and the search database (or that part of it) has not been updated. ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

ah okay Gaismagorm (talk) 17:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gaismagorm: You did find a search error. Two versions of the article are indexed by our search. A 29 May version currently at [5], and the current 10 July version [6]. The search intitle:"Luke Akehurst" reports both versions with their timestamps. That's not supposed to happen. To make matters worse, there is a third search hit claiming that Luke Akehurst is a redirect to 2021 Oxford City Council election. The time stamp is for the target article so it doesn't reveal which version was indexed to report the redirect but there is a redirect version 29 May [7]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

well thats weird, is this a common issue? Gaismagorm (talk) 21:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gaismagorm: I haven't seen it before. It's common that an old revision is indexed for a while instead of the current but the double/triple indexing is new to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

ah okay. Well, luckily the bug doesn't effect much. Gaismagorm (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Is there a link or guide I can send to someone when requesting they release a picture into the public domain for use within an article?

I seem to recall that there was a link or wizard that did not require an account, does that exist? Or can I just ask them informally, as long as that is in writing? FortunateSons (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@FortunateSons do you mean c:Commons:Email templates? Broc (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

No, but it's useful too, thanks. I want to attempt to ask someone through social media to release an image into CC, so this is probably fine? FortunateSons (talk) 14:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@FortunateSons: An informal request by email is OK (some suggested wordings can be found at WP:Example requests for permission), but the copyright holder doesn't have to "release [the] picture into the public domain", just to release it with a WP-acceptable license. I think it's important to include a link to this release generator so that if they agree to release the image, they do so in an acceptable form. Deor (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Will do, thank you! FortunateSons (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Coul someone please review my edits to determine just how is it that they deserve to have my account blobked?

There seems to be an editor that reverts in very short order contributions without realizing what they are doing. Thank you.2603:8000:D300:3650:E1D2:5AC3:C25B:7842 (talk) 14:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The user Dr. Chance Padberg (talk · contribs) has been blocked. WP:ANI is the right place for reporting things like this. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:OWN concern

Hello, I recently raised a WP:OWN concern on a page I had been edited lately the Antioch International Movement of Churches. I noticed 50% of the authorship edits on that page have been edited by a single editor since March. This editor uses speedy deletions/reverts, supposed BRD style edits, which I experienced and discouraged me. The editor is also very particular about approving edits. I am concerned this editor is exhibiting behaviors that appear to be possessive of this page. I assume good faith on this editor's part and don't really have any current disputes other than this. When I raised the OWN issue with the editor on the article's talk page, the editor did not reply. The editor eventually left a message on my user talk page telling me, it's not for the article's talk page, to WP:FOC, and talk to administrators about it on the appropriate boards. I reiterated WP:OWN says "An editor who appears to assume ownership of an article should be approached on the article's talk page with a descriptive header informing readers about the topic." and the concerns of overdoing possessive behaviors. Still, the editor did not respond further to the issue on the article's talk page nor elsewhere. What is the proper way to address this and what is the appropriate board to bring this concern to? Pride2bme (talk) 14:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pride2bme, You should probably bring this to the incident noticeboard or the dispute resolution noticeboard, and let an admin or other person intervene, as trying to quash the issue could end in an edit war, which usually isn't desirable to have. Hope this helps :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, be sure to leave a message on the user's talk page informing them of an active incident involving them. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I left a message on the editor's talk page, the editor denies a WP:OWN issue. I think I'd still like another opinion on that, can you provide one, is the incident board still appropriate, or what else should I do? Pride2bme (talk) 08:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Pride2bme, I suggest you to check out Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Remember that there are no deadlines, often the best option is to just wait for things to cool down. Broc (talk) 14:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Getting rid of URL

At Sabbath's Theater, how do I get rid of the URL at the bottom of References? It duplicates the link in the second Reference. When I try to delete it, it seems to delete all the References. Maurice Magnus (talk) 15:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus I've fixed it. It was manually inserted directly after the Reflist template. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

My political opponent keeps changing my Wikipage and uses poor sources and false info.

What do I do to stop my former political opponent from constantly changing my Wiki page? He beat me by 31 votes in a state senate race. Yet he has edited my page more than anyone else and it is silly but also annoying and even though I was/am a public figure, the cites should be fair and they are not.

However, I don't have time (and I don't know how) to go back and see all the changes he keeps making.Is there a way to have this stopped permanently? Thank you for any help you can give. Here is the link to my page. Opponent (victor's) name is Matt Leber he goes by This is the way and a few other monikers. Many thanks! Sandy Senn Freeatlast21! (talk) 15:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

The place to discuss this is on the talk page of the article Sandy Senn. Theroadislong (talk) 16:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

FYI, If the said person did not publicly reveal their usernames or monikers they used on Wikipedia, be aware of WP:OUTING. – robertsky (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I blocked an account. Drmies (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Freeatlast21!, it has been several weeks since there has been disruptive editing to Sandy Senn. That coincides with the primary election date. Presumably, the politically motivated editors have lost interest now that the election is over. Cullen328 (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

COI edit queue and Sam Yagan article

Hello to editors of the Teahouse, I have an open edit request that has been awaiting review since late May: Talk:Sam_Yagan#Request_to_update_Excelerate_Labs_and_IAC_information. I have tried to post to pertinent Wikiprojects however I have not received a reply. Is there something else I should be doing or places I can go to in order to start a discussion? Thank you for helping me understand this process. CBCorazon (talk) 21:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@CBCorazon: Category:Wikipedia_conflict_of_interest_edit_requests has a large backlog. You just need to be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Remove existing redirect of person for article creation?

Hi, while I was reading news I noticed that the article for Abraham_Hamadeh redirects to 2022_Arizona_Attorney_General_election#Republican_primary which I found odd, considering this person is a public figure and getting a substantial amount of attention. It seems like they may be the only one of the candidates in the current congressional race who doesn't have an article despite their media coverage which seems odd given they have had a public office prior and a lot of attention now. When I saw that, I thought about creating a start to the article and ran across the redirect.

I'm looking for guidance on how to proceed. I don't know what may have existed on the previous article (archive.org doesn't show anything) and would love to start editing from a previous version rather than creating from scratch.

Thanks for the help! DrGva go (talk) 23:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DrGvago. There has never been an article about Abraham Hamadeh and the redirect was created as a navigational aid for readers. We do not normally have articles about unelected candidates for office, and the usual practice is to redirect such candidates to an article about the election. Please read WP:POLITICIAN and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Candidates. Cullen328 (talk) 23:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation and resources @Cullen328. Would it be a good idea to update the redirect to 2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Arizona#District_8 in this case then as it is more current? DrGvago (talk) 23:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

DrGvago, I have done so. Cullen328 (talk) 00:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Removing advert tag added by sockpuppet

I am new. I got prompted Copyedit Luther Utterback based on the Suggested edits thing on my homepage.

The article was tagged as an advert but does not read like an advertisement to me. So I checked the history and found that advert tag was added by sockpuppet User:NaturalSelection in this change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=790467560&oldid=790458491&title=Luther_Utterback

So I removed the advert tag. I just want to confirm that this was the right thing to do. FunFactsFanatic (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Well, even socks may be correct. In this case, they were not, so thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit filter log can allow non-admins/oversighters to see deleted/suppressed revisions

Sometimes, when a revision is deleted or suppressed, the revision can still be viewed via the edit filter log. Can you please fix it? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 03:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, this seems like a MediaWiki issue. Have a look at Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests for details on how to report a bug. Broc (talk) 09:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

ok 24.115.255.37 (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't have an account... 24.115.255.37 (talk) 19:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I feel like this is a known issue and oversighters should be supressing the logs as well. If you see any such thing, please report it via WP:RFO. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I need assistance submitting the following informative article. Is it following the guidelines?

Copy of User:Ambuj0070/sandbox

Premium Guard Inc[edit] Founded in 1996, Premium Guard Inc. (PGI) specializes in oil, air, cabin, fuel, and transmission filters in the aftermarket automotive filtration industry. PGI has expanded its offerings to include heavy-duty, power sports, and specialty automotive applications, delivering a comprehensive service solution. History and Expansion[edit] Established in New York City, Premium Guard Inc.’s focus from the start has been on providing a turnkey solution with wide application coverage and private label programs for all segments of the North American automotive aftermarket. PGI was initially established as International Distributors USA Inc., but in 2017, the company officially changed its name to Premium Guard Inc. (PGI). The new company name was derived from the company’s Premium Guard brand of automotive filters and supplies. In 2021, Premium Guard Inc. launched its first direct-to-consumer brand, PUREFLOW®, which focuses solely on breathable air at home and in your car. PUREFLOW's line of filtration products, such as automotive cabin air filters and home air filters, are engineered to capture airborne contaminants and allergens. In 2022, PUREFLOW® launched a patented air freshener for cars designed to fit onto a cabin air filter. In 2020, PGI acquired Tenneco's filters business, including its manufacturing facility in Tultitlan, Mexico, and the Interfil and Engine Clean brands. In 2022, PGI also acquired IPC Global Solutions (IPC), a supplier to the aftermarket's fast lube segment and the creator of the ECOGARD® brand of filtration products. References:[edit] Freight Waves The Wall Street Journal Aftermarket News Auto Service World External Links:[edit] Official Website

Ambuj0070 (talk) 08:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ambuj0070, and welcome to Wikipedia. It seems you might have a possible conflict of interest with the company you are writing about. If so, please note you must disclose your COI and publish the article using the Articles for Creation process. Also note that companies are required to fulfill notability criteria to be allowed on Wikipedia, and that Wikipedia is not a means of promotion.

That being said, if you believe your article fulfills notability criteria and is not written in a promotional tone, go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation, and click "Click here to start a new article". Once you are finished, you can submit it for review and an experienced editor will provide feedback. Broc (talk) 09:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Phrases such as turnkey solution with wide application coverage and private label programs for all segments are meaningless fluff and need to be expunged.Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I want to create an article

But I am new. Do I need to pay an experienced user so I'm sure it gets accepted? Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Answer! Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is open to all who can contribute. See Help:Your first article. 『π』BalaM314〘talk〙 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@BalaM314 Ok, thanks Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are volunteers. All questions get answered in time. Demanding a fast answer is rude. As to your question, there are companies that offer to create an article for pay - almost all of those are scams. meaning you would lose your money and not get an article. David notMD (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD Ok, sorry if I requested a quick answer. Anyway thanks, I wont pay those Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@BalaM314 @David notMD I submitted a draft. How much time does it take to get it reviewed??? Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is run by volunteers, it might take a while. Make sure your article follows the policies mentioned in Help:Your first article. 『π』BalaM314〘talk〙 10:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@BalaM314 Why don't you review my draft? Or at least could you tell me if you think it is Ok? Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Anyway I coudnt get bothered reading all that rubbish, but there's nothing offensive or fake, which is what can be I think vandalism Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Paolo Maldini exists as a Wikipedia article. It already states that he is considered the greatest defender of all time. Do not attempt to create an article about him. I am about to tag your draft for Speedy deletion. Also, your User name should not contain the name of a person for which an article exists, or a person you are trying to create an article about. Abandon this account. Start a new account- with a short User name. David notMD (talk) 10:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I have speedily reviewed your draft for you. Theroadislong (talk) 10:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD Ok, I understand. I'll abandon this account and create a new one. Paolo Maldini è il miglior difensore della storia del calcio (talk) 10:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Given that it has been Rejected by a Reviewer, I am not going to bother with the Speedy deletion nomination. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD Thanks for your help just to let you know this is my new account. By the way an unknown user left me an inappropriate message. Could you review my talk page?? Random username 1234567890 (talk) 10:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

For info: the "inappropriate message" was an entirely appropriate and polite warning by an experienced editor, and the above account has now been blocked as a sockpuppet. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 12:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Initital account and replacement account indef blocked (socks). David notMD (talk) 21:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:CITESPAM?

Hi folks. The editor of a website about football, ML072347 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), has been adding dozens of citations to articles from their website. Many of these additions were superfluous. They have responded to my inquiry on their Talk page. What would be the appropriate response to their questions? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 12:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on the source they added seems reliable, but I do see the spamming issue. The user needs to disclose their COI, and stop adding references where they are not needed (e.g.: in the lead section, per MOS:CITELEAD). They should contribute to improving the encyclopedia, for instance by helping remove some {{citation needed}} tags, rather than by adding references just to increase their search engine results.

If the issue continues, WP:COIN is the right noticeboard. Broc (talk) 12:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 21:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

How to merge two pages

I wanted to know how can I merge two sports pages into 1? Would I need to delete the second page after moving the information to 1 page? Mcwamcwa (talk) 12:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Mcwamcwa, see step-by-step instructions at WP:PROMERGE. Generally, you would copy material from one page into the other, then replace the original page with a redirect. Make sure to provide proper attribution in the edit summary and to signal the merge in both talk pages. Broc (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I've just merged content from Mamelodi Sundowns Ladies B to Mamelodi Sundowns Ladies Academy. Mcwamcwa (talk) 22:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Copying text from draft to new page and then blanking drafts ?

I am not sure of the best path forward here, but @SuperMightyBoy is copying text from draft articles into new articles, and then blanking the drafts or setting up a redirect to the new article. This has the result of losing the article history, which is a shame. This does not seem the right path, but I am unsure of the best way to handle this. Any thoughts or guidance is appreciated. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean warn the user about Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia and point them to Wikipedia:Moving a page.

You can check out Wikipedia:History merging to see how to request a history merge on the affected pages. Broc (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Example: Special:Diff/1233506751. Broc (talk) 12:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - I will do that next. I appreciate the guidance. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

SuperMightyBoy indef blocked. Blanked drafts appear to have been restored. David notMD (talk) 21:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

A query on wiki policy

I'd like to know whether it is appropriate according to Wikipedia's policy to re-add information/text which is validly cited, which has been removed from an article coz it was previously inserted by a blocked user...Thanks in advance Janlevinson (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Janlevinson, yes, that is permitted. But you are required to verify that the content complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and that the references verify the content. In other words, you take full responsibility for your edits. Cullen328 (talk) 19:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

thanks Janlevinson (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Copyright

I recently got flagged for copyright on a photo. I checked the source but the images I gave weren’t subject to copyright since they are either in a public space or made accessible to the public. Can anyone explain how pictures posted to the internet are copyrighted even tho the publisher doesn’t speak about it being copyrighted?? ChillyWilly824 (talk) 14:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

ChillyWilly824 Looking at your edit history, I assume you are talking about US copyright law? Before 1989, United States law required the use of a copyright notice, but it then signed the Berne Convention Implementation Act. As a result, the use of copyright notices has become optional to claim copyright, because the Berne Convention makes copyright automatic. You are, therefore, not looking for an image without a copyright notice (as that proves nothing, since a notice is not required), but an image with a relevant copyright release notice. - Arjayay (talk) 14:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes so what can you tell me about the 2 images I wanted to upload given one is from a public article taken at an NFL stadium, and the other is taken at the NBA draft. ChillyWilly824 (talk) 14:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

ChillyWilly824 Not knowing what or where the images are makes that an impossible question. Generally, where the images are, and where they were taken, is irrelevant, they are copyright unless they have a relevant copyright release notice. To make life more complicated, Wikipedia does not accept all copyright release notices, as some are too restrictive. However, the odds of an image you find on the Web not being copyright is fairly minimal - unless the image is from a federal government agency, whose images are public domain, and certain websites like Flikr, where many images are suitably licensed. You need to include details of the licence of an image when uploading it to Wikipedia, or Wikimedia Commons, and this will be checked. - Arjayay (talk) 15:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

You really need to ask that question at Commons, not here. But the answer that Arjayay has given you is: Unless you can find an explicit statement that the image in question has been explicitly released either into the public domain or under a compatible licence, then you must assume that the image is copyright and cannot be uploaded to Commons. ColinFine (talk) 15:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

adjudication needed

My contributions to the articles listed below have been reverted twice. No reason was provided for reverting my contributions.

Garhajis

Eidagale

Habar Yoonis Solanif (talk) 14:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Solanif, and welcome to the Teahouse.

We don't do "adjudication" - rather, we encourage editors to discuss any disagreements, and try to reach consensus. Please read WP:Bold, Revert, Discuss for how this works. If somebody reverts your edit, the proper thing to do (if you wish to pursue it) is to open a discussion on the article's talk page, and ping the other editor. You could start by asking why they reverted, and perhaps explain why you think your edit was an improvement.

It would certainly have been helpful if Admer9 had explained in the edit summary why they were reverting your edit, but they are not obliged to do so. ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

2020s in film

Cut to the chase, why is Inside Out 2 not featured in the list of highest grossing films of the 2020s (2020s in film) when it has grossed over a billion dollars? I literally just noticed this, so pardon me if I missed some other talk page discussion about it if that happened. Hoping there's somehow a reasonable answer. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 16:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done added Timur9008 (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Grammar on a direct quote

A retrospective in the Bronxville Press, August 1932: "[H]is presence was always felt by topnotchers [and regulars]. ... Paul Martin was a synonym for all that was clean and wholesome in the game.”  

The above summary-type sentences are at the end of the "Life" heading in “Paul Martin (illustrator)." Is the spot for the period and ellipse mark correct? The quote from the original source is below. I thought it read, in part, somewhat awkward and wordy.

"… events and his presence was always felt by topnotchers as well as by those who could only play an average game. Paul Martin was a synonym for all that was clean and wholesome in the game.”

Thanks for any feedback. JimPercy (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC) PS. I erred. I meant to post this in the "Help Desk" room. I don't know if it matters. JP

JimPercy I think the ellipsis is unnecessary, since the brackets [and regulars] already 'cover' the missing words, though from an article level standpoint you may want to find a way to avoid quoting in the first place.

Teahouse and Help Desk serve the same purpose, but Teahouse is directed toward newer Wikipedians. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Sungodtemple IOWs, the "[and regulars]" is replacing "as well as by those who only could play an average game." So the ellipse mark could be deleted (esp. since a link to the source is given). That quote does help explain way a tennis tournament was named after him for over 80 years. JimPercy (talk) 23:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

article by Max Fishman

Please help me. I'm an old man and I don't understand a lot. What should I do? In the article by Max Fishman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Fishman the following inscriptions appeared: Personality "This section contains too many quotes. Please help summarize the quotes. Consider transferring direct quotations to Wikiquote or excerpts to Wikisource. (July 2024)" I read it and didn’t understand anything. I shortened the links. But transferring direct quotations to Wikiquote or excerpts to Wikisource, but I can’t. Please help me transfer them to Wikiquote or Wikisource Anatolii Ion Levikoan (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Levikoan, and welcome to Wikipedia! The tag refers to this Wikipedia policy: Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. As I see most quotes on the page are reviews and critical pieces, I suggest shortening them to 1-3 sentences each. Once you've done that, you can remove the tag. Broc (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Broc, Thank you very much for the advice. Levikoan (talk) 06:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Levikoan! Maybe what will help is going through each quote and deciding what the most important part (or perhaps two parts) is for each. So with this one:

"…Thus, not previously mentioned in any source and until recently not included in the orbit of the study of domestic musicology, M. Fishman's Concert Es-dur has not only artistic, but also historical value, as it is able to complement the picture of the origin of the genre in Moldavian music. Moreover, according to Pavel Borisovich Rivilis, who worked in those years as a senior consultant in the Union of Composers of the MSSR, this work is one of the best examples of a piano concerto of the post-war era..."

If I were assessing it, I would say that the important parts are 1) it has been called one of the best examples of a piano concerto of the post-war era, and possibly 2) it complements the picture of the original of the genre in Moldavian music. So perhaps it could be trimmed down:

"Fishman's Concert Es-dur has not only artistic, but also historical value...[it] complement[s] the picture of the origin of the genre in Moldavian music."

And then, with proper attribution to Rivilis, as this is his quote:

"[T]his work is one of the best examples of a piano concerto of the post-war era."

I'm not sure these belong in the Personality section, but they're certainly valuable information from experts in the field. If you'd like, I'd be happy to work on this with you - I'm going to go set up a topic on the Talk page now and ping you over there so any other interested editors can join us and add their views on the important points. StartGrammarTime (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Dear StartGrammarTime. I am very glad that you want to help. How will we do this? I'm old and don't understand much about how Wikipedia works. Levikoan (talk) 06:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Submitted Article but was not finished

I was ignorant and submitted my article before it was finished. How can I continue to edit my article? Thebigsixth (talk) 19:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Assuming we're talking about Draft:Richard Adams Hogan, you are perfectly free to edit it while it is awaiting review, but since you've said it is not ready I've undone your edit that submitted it. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure how to edit the article, it only gives me a series of codes. Thebigsixth (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried following the instructions under "Enable VisualEditor" at WP:VE? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The stuff at the top is code related to it being in the articles for creation workflow, everything beyond the words Richard Adams Hogan (June 07, 1913 - January 28, 1981) that is the text you submitted. When editing, you see the complete code of all references and internal links will have double square brackets around them, [[like this]]. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I was able to edit my article, but now I clicked on the wrong icon and lost my updated work.

How can I save my article? Thebigsixth (talk) 20:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thebigsixth if you did not press 'Publish changes' then you did not save your work to Wikipedia and it cannot be retrieved from the server. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Where can I find newcomer tasks?

I noticed that the Newcomer Tasks would be quite useful for me to be more productive and involved with Wikipedia, but I can't find how to access the modules or anything. Am I missing something, or has it been removed since? LucasR muteacc (talk) 21:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

LucasR muteacc I think you may have the feature turned off. You can enable newcomer homepage at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal, then navigate to Special:Homepage. Does that work? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much - I have the homepage now! It was turned off, yes. LucasR muteacc (talk) 22:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Drama and Wikipedia

Okay, so let's say this user named "Sir Ben" was involved in a heated controversy on Fandom. Being an active Wikipedian, he linked his Wikipedia user page on his Fandom user page, proving that he is the same person. Would he get blocked (or possibly banned) on Wikipedia for his behavior on another website? Thanks, TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 22:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

In anything but exceptional cases, we wouldn't block for off-wiki controversy. Also, Sir Ben's link on his Fandom page would not prove that the Wikipedia user is the same person. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

vector 2010 reference tooltip

Mere duplicate of a question posed at the Help desk. -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Recently I've found the reference tooltip in large text, and don't know how to change it to small Jag1762010 (talk) 23:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Standardizing disambiguation parentheticals

Boosting a question from elsewhere - using the example of Property (programming) and Method (computer programming), is there any reference standard for disambiguation parentheticals (i.e, a choice between (programming) vs. (computer programming))? Or are these decided at the WikiProject level? Tule-hog (talk) 23:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tule-hog I believe that its' really just up to whoever moves the page. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but for the most part (i.e. the addition of "computer" to "programming") is optional. Also, if you're not sure, sometimes it is best to contact the appropriate WikiProject, as some do have specific rules about what goes inside of those parentheses. Hope this helps :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Simple question regarding preferred language.

Hello, this is a general basic question, but on the language section of articles how do I sticky a specific one so that I don't have to scroll through it? This works on mobile but I don't know how to work it on PC. Libertas 777 (talk) 03:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't understand your question. Do you mean like Austria#Language? If not please provide a specific example of what you are trying to do. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Libertas 777, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm guessing that you are referring to the "Suggested languages" that appear at the top of the window when you pick the "(number) languages" box at the top of the article?

There does not seem to be a way to edit the list of suggested languges directly, but mw:Universal Language Selector/Compact Language Links seems to say that if you pick a language to look at an article in, it will automatically add that language to the list of suggested languages.

If you mean something else, then I'm afraid I haven't understood what you want. ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

No wrap

Hello all. An editor using a bot recently converted some no-wrap templates into normal text. I had implemented the templates so that the names "Obi-Wan" and "Qui-Gon" would not wrap onto a second line. Here is the edit. Could someone please tell me whether removing the templates is appropriate, and what the purpose might be? Wafflewombat (talk) 05:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat you can use {{nbh}} to insert a non-breaking hyphen. However, please judge if it is really necessary, as it affects search results. I suggest reading Wikipedia:Non-breaking hyphen and MOS:HYPHEN as guidelines. Broc (talk) 05:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Commons files from LLNL

I'd ask this somewhere on Wikimedia commons, but I don't know if they have discussion spaces, and I imagine they're not super active. Feel free to point me there if this is the wrong place. There are a bunch of files on Wikimedia Commons that are listed as government works that are from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory website, which is a government contractor, and I think does not automatically release its images into the public domain. I found this CC-BY-NC-SA notice, which I think means the photos aren't in the public domain. I tagged those (this and this one). The problem is, this geese image and this lab image got posted on the US DOE flickr account (which apparently exists) as "United states government works", which I infer are free from copyright (the lab image at least must be taken by an LLNL employee since it's in the lab). Does anyone know if I'm just wrong on how government contractor copyright works? Also, does that count as the DOE releasing the images? Mrfoogles (talk) 05:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Mrfoogles, I think you should ask directly on Commons, discussion forums there are quite active. I think the best place for this question is c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Broc (talk) 05:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go there. Didn't know commons had a village pump too. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Requesting to ip block exemption

Dear Wikipedians,

I am reaching out to request an IP block exemption. I am a user from Areekode, Kerala, and I am currently traveling. Unfortunately, my IP address showing blocked for the past 8-10 days, Blocking my ability to access and contribute to Wikipedia.

I kindly request that you consider granting me an IP block exemption, as I am a legitimate user who wishes to continue using Wikipedia without interruption. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

S-Aura 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 06:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, S-Aura. Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:IP block exemption. Cullen328 (talk) 06:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! @Cullen328! I just wanted to let you know that I've added a request on my Talk page. I'm hoping someone can review it and help me out. I'd really appreciate it if someone could take a look at my request and see what they can do to help me get back to using Wikipedia without any issues. Thanks so much! 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 06:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Work as an editor

Hi I want to work as an editor and write to article Gayatri Sunkad (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Gayatri Sunkad Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for wanting to help us out here and contribute to this project. Note that writing a new article isn't the only, or even best, way one can contribute here. Many people are excellent contributors without writing a single article from scratch- which is actually a very difficult process that ideally should have some knowledge and experience behind it first. We have almost 7 million articles that could use improvement, perhaps there are some in areas that interest you that you would want to work on.

I'm going to place some introductory information on your user talk page (User talk:Gayatri Sunkad) that may help you. 331dot (talk) 08:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Please also note, @Gayatri Sunkad, we are volunteer editors who are not paid for editing Wikipedia. If you are financially compensated in any way for editing Wikipedia, it is mandatory you disclose this by following the instructions here. Qcne (talk) 09:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

metawiki RFC

Hi, I want to RFC in metawiki:Requests_for_comment/Policy because of I had serious problems with Turkish Wikipedia which resulted in block. However I need to have 250 edits, do I have to wait until I reach 250 edits? Or can I ask and RFC in here? Throat0390 (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Throat0390 it seems you were banned on tr.wiki for sockpuppeting, i.e., using multiple accounts. I think your best approach would be to appeal the block on-wiki, by reaching out to the administrators. Check out how to appeal blocks on tr.wiki.

To answer your questions: in order to open an RFC on meta, your account must be 3 months old and you need to have 250 crosswiki edits. Broc (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes correct however i cannot edit my own talk page and the issue much bigger than the ban which ended up by I can't assume good faith anymore.

Thanks for your time/answer. Throat0390 (talk) 12:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Avezzano Rugby

Is it possible to improve the page with the translation from Italian Wikipedia? This is the draft in English. You can report in the right project, sorry for my inadequacy in English, thanks for your attention. Marica Massaro (talk) 11:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, for now we do not seem to have a page on the topic on the English Wikipedia. You can follow the hints given at Wikipedia:TRANSLATETOHERE, but keep in mind that we have different requirements for articles than the Italian Wikipedia might have. Lectonar (talk) 12:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Marica Massaro (talk) 13:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

You can of course continue to work on Draft:Avezzano Rugby in the meantime. Lectonar (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Test page

I worked on a test page yesterday, now I cannot see that anymore. Where can I find it? AgroLover (talk) 12:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@AgroLover Unless you made the edits to this test page while not logged in, I'm fairly certain that you forgot to publish your changes, meaning they're now unfortunately lost. What I'd expect to see in your contributions is another page where you made these test edits. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi...are you sure you used your account to make said test-page? I can find no contributions, deleted or otherwise, apart from your request here. Another possibility is that you did not save your edits. Lectonar (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@AgroLover you have created a test page on ptwiki. Is that what you're looking for? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Tks God you found it. How can I log in to see and continue to work on that? AgroLover (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure why you created that in the Portugese Wikipedia (considering it's in English), but to continue working on it, just click the 'edit' link on the top right corner of the page. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AgroLover. As well as the point that it's in English, so you should be working in the English Wikipedia (for example at Draft:Jack E. Rechcigl - which doesn't exist at present which is why it appears in red, but you may create it), I note that you appear to be trying to create a new article, but like most people who try this task before they have spent any time learning the necessary skills, you have written your draft WP:BACKWARDS, and thus made a difficult task many times more difficult. I also notice you have what look like Wikimedia citations within the text, but they do not correspond to actual citations - have you copied this text from somewhere? If so, there may be copyright issues.

My advice to new editors, always, is to put aside the idea of creating an article entirely for at least a few weeks, and spend the time instead in making improvements to existing articles, and learning about how Wikipedia works: especially, verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Then after that, read your first article carefully, and try creating a new article if you wish. ColinFine (talk) 13:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your advice. I will try to create it in the English Wikipedia. In this case should I start again there? Is there a way I can just change all of it in an easy way or should I start from scratch?

I am using my word copy where I had all the citations organized. But now I will have to insert them again. Thanks AgroLover (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Serious question

Can the Wikimedia Foundation provide our (i.e., Wikipedia editors') data such as location, email, etc., to the government under any circumstances? Best Regards! Youknow? (talk) 12:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman only when required by law, see the Wikimedia Foundation policy for disclosing nonpublic information here. Broc (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay . Ms Rolanda (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Broc, thank you. Youknow? (talk) 15:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

(Untitled)

How do I get unblocked on wiki for editing an article? Ms Rolanda (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ms Rolanda you've made this post, which means that you're not blocked. Is there anything preventing you from editing? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ms Rolanda, you can already edit articles! Some pages might be protected and require you to have autoconfirmed or extended confirmed access. For the first, you need 10 edits and an account 4 days old (this is also the requirement to create new articles); for the second, you need 500 edits and 30 days. Note that the extended confirmed protection is only applied in very special cases (e.g. pages that are vandalized often or deal with contentious topics), so you won't need that to edit most articles. If you want to learn how to contribute, read Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. Hope this helps! Broc (talk) 13:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright then. Thank you very much for the clarification Ms Rolanda (talk) 15:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia form

Hello there! Every time I open my laptop to use Wikipedia it turns on the mobile version and not the desktop one. No matter how many times I've put it on Desktop mode at the end of the page it keeps turning on mobile. What can I do to fix that? xx feni (tellmehi) 14:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of is if you are using URLs with the .m. in them.

Does this happen when you pick a link in an open article? Or only when you start up Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine it happens every time I load the Wikipedia main page and it doesn't change until I change it manually through a button at the end of the page, which is only temporary. I'm wondering if there is something on the Settings that I can do to change it feni (tellmehi) 15:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, feni. What is the URL (in the URL bar of your browser) when you open Wikipedia?

How are you loading it? If from a bookmark on your computer, I suggest editing the bookmark to remove the .m. from the URL. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine thanks so much, I'll check it later and if I see that there is still a problem I'll be back. Thanks a lot xx feni (tellmehi) 17:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@FENFEN: To clarify further, going to https://en.m.wikipedia.org with .m. is a request to always display the mobile version no matter which device you are on and what you have selected in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org is the normal url which may detect your type of device or remember a previous selection. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thanks so much! I checked it and it turns out the bookmark was saved with the .m. form. Now it's all fixed!!!! xx feni (tellmehi) 14:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Block on It wiki

We have been blocked on itwiki for inappropriate username. Can we contribute here regardless of the block? Thanks Testimoni di Geova (talk) 13:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Better not with the username you have, as it implies shared use. See WP:ISU. But a block on IT-Wikipedia doesn't extend automatically to our Wikipedia here. Lectonar (talk) 14:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

New article

I would like to create a new article on Wikipedia. Can someone help me doing it? A user of english wiki (talk) 14:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I see that A user of english wiki has now been blocked indefinitely. Maproom (talk) 14:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Honorary consulates

Hello. Just now, User:Archives908 claims that I am engaging in an edit war in List of diplomatic missions in Armenia claiming that there is no policy forbidding the listing of honorary consulates in Wikipedia articles like that. The main reason why I removed them in the first place is because the honorary consulate lists in List of diplomatic missions in Iceland, List of diplomatic missions in Ireland and List of diplomatic missions in Vietnam got removed as they usually get omitted. I've asked those who have done those edits if there is an existing policy regarding the matter but the user above immediately bashed at me for not adhering to WP:BRD guidelines. What should I do to fix myself? Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I have not been "mean" to you. You keep reinstating your preferred version of the article. I've asked you to discuss and seek consensus on the talk page several times, all of which has been ignored. Perhaps try engaging in conversation on the talk page next time :) Archives908 (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

It's my anger issues. The reason why I called you "mean" is because you interrupted me in the Aquintero guy's talk page since I wasn't talking to you. I'm waiting for answers from Aquintero and Carl to see why they removed them in the first place (I should've not mentioned you or else I would have a breakdown of emotions). I'm sincerely sorry for referring you as "mean". 😭 Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Archives908 I will just point out you have violated the 3 revert rule, which constitutes edit warring. Both of you should be discussing the topic in talk page. Broc (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Done. I have added a new topic on the talk page regarding the matter. Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I add a certification edit for Wikipedia?

Like if I want to say that this album sold 3 million copies and I want to edit it and also add that streaming and sales symbol at the end Blooey (talk) 15:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Blooey: I'm not clear on your question. If you are asking how to add a citation, check out WP:REFB RudolfRed (talk) 15:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Blooey: Please link the page you want to edit and a page which already shows what you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Restaurant images

Can I use the third image in this source for this article? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: Very likely not. Any non-free image use needs to meet all the criteria at WP:NFCC. This would fail at #1: Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

But is it non-free? Wikipedia:Freedom of panorama. Not sure if the photo has its own creative element, which would make it a work of its own and thus copyrighted, or if it could be used on Wiki per FoP. Seems like a tricky copyright case. Broc (talk) 16:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That page says that they accept images of buildings and structures taken anywhere in the world and the person uploading it must use the {{FoP-USonly}} template. The building is not a sculpture, mural, or statue, so I think I should be fine. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 16:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula my concern is that the picture has been taken by someone else (not you) and if they added their own creative element, it would be copyrighted as their own work. I think in this case the Wikipedia:Threshold of originality might not be reached, as the picture seems rather "straightforward", but I'm not sure. You should probably ask at WP:MCQ. Broc (talk) 16:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

TrademarkedTWOrantula, the answer is definitely no. The copyright to that photo belongs to the photographer or their employer. It does not belong to you. You are perfectly free to go to the Embarcadero in San Francisco, take a photo of that restaurant, freely license it, and add it to Angler (restaurant). But you are not free to violate someone else's copyright. Cullen328 (talk) 17:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama gives anyone the right to take a photograph a building that has a copyrighted architectural design. It does not give anyone the right to use someone else's copyrighted photo of the same building. Of course, creative decisions are made when photographing buildings. What angle? How far away? Which lens to use, or which zoom setting? Lighting conditions: sunny or cloudy? Morning, noon or evening? People present or absent? Ground level or from a ladder? How to deal with trees and vehicles? These are all creative decisions. Contemporary photos of buildings are copyright protected the vast majority of the time. Cullen328 (talk) 17:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Shoot. I just uploaded it. How do I delete it? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 17:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

TrademarkedTWOrantula, I am an administrator and I deleted that image. In your upload, you wrote A free illustration cannot be made, as it will infringe upon the original image. I am sorry, but that makes no sense. Well-known buildings get photographed all the time, and a new photo does not infringe on earlier photos of the same building. If you want a photo of that restaurant, go to San Francisco and take it. Or ask an editor in or near San Francisco to take one. Cullen328 (talk) 17:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

article submission

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AWroliver%2Fsandbox&action=edit Hello, I just submitted the first 2 paragraphs of an article on dancer/choreographer LaTasha Barnes. It is in my sandbox, at the link above. Would someone be able to take a look and tell me if the references are ok, and if it's formatted properly? Thank you. Wroliver (talk) 18:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC) Wendy Oliver, July 10, 2024

Hi Wroliver - I'm sorry, but copy-pasting some of the text from Draft:LaTasha Barnes is not productive, furthermore your references are not formatted correctly, whereas the drafts references are formatted correctly. I suggest you read Help:Referencing for beginners and then try to improve Draft:LaTasha Barnes, abandoning your sandbox. - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Arjayay,

Thanks for your quick reply! I will read the link you suggested. I could not find my original draft of the article, which is why I ended up with a new sandbox today. I see you've given me a link to the draft, so thank you for that and your advice.Wroliver (talk) 18:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Can someone else start a wikipedia page about a nonaffiliated nonprofit?

Hello! I have a client that is has had their Wikipedia page filled with false negative information that was pulled and "cited" from opinion articles by a disgruntled prior employee. When attempts were made to correct the information, changes were denied due to bias. They are now considering deleting their Wikipedia page. If they do this, could someone (like this disgruntled past employee) create another page in its place?

Thank you for any help or advice.107.218.250.141 (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how they think they can delete the article (which is not theirs to delete). The place to propose improvements to any article is its associated talk page. What is the title of the article? The fact that they are a non-profit is totally irrelevant. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The subject of a Wikipedia 'page' does not have the power to delete it: in fact, they are permitted less influence over it than almost anyone else – it is Wikipedia's Article about them, not their self-controlled representation on Wikipedia. It should reflect a balanced Neutral Point of View, which may include facts that the subject does not like if they are well supported by published material. If the subject is what Wikipedia judges to be Notable (roughly speaking, well documented in published media) then there can and probably will be an article created (or maintained in existence) about that subject.

The subject can post new sections on the Talk page of the Article, requesting changes (additions, amendments and deletions) to it which, if they provide Reliable sources published entirely independently of themself to corroborate it, may be implemented by a disinterested editor if that editor considers them appropriate. They are allowed to make minor, uncontroversial edits to correct obvious and trivial factual mistakes, and to remove material that is not cited to a source – if it is cited, they should ask another editor to consider doing so, using an Edit request template. What applies to the subject also applies to anyone directly associated with the subject, whether family, friend or employee.

Please note that, as the subject is your client (implying a paid relationship), you must (by Wikipedia's Terms of Use) declare your WP:PAID status on your User page (if and when you have one) and on the talk page of the article should you edit it. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 20:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This is more to Shantavira than to the OP. I think there are still a few people in the world who are not intimately familiar with Wikipedia and how it works. If a person who has not paid a lot of attention to Wikipedia suddenly finds that there's an article either about him or herself, or about something he or she is directly concerned with, AND it seems that someone has put malicious material, it's natural to wonder how one can get rid of it. And yes, "How do I delete my Wikipedia page?" is not an outrageously unreasonable question to ask. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

The first step would be to identify the subject article. If the slant of the article truly is non-neutral and there are not enough watchers of the article talk page to get it fixed, there is a noticeboard at WP:NPOVN dedicated to reviewing and correcting neutrality issues. VQuakr (talk) 21:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Featuring one of the most accessible AI search engines in the article on Wiki

I'd like to submit an AI search engine in the List of Search Engines.

Bagoodex – (verbatim copy of the press release from below source removed)

Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-search-tool-bagoodex-reboots-140000298.html Nick Trenkler (talk) 20:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nick Trenkler, are you aware that Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion? Broc (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Another way of looking at that is to note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

When there is substantial independent published material about the engine, then it might be possible for an article about it to be written. Note that such an article will not belong to Bagoodex, will not be controlled by Bagoodex, and may be edited by almost anybody in the world except people associated with Bagoodex.

Note also that if you are in any way employed by or on behalf of Bagoodex then Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration of that fact. ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Admin

How do I submit an RfA? Frozen902 (talk) 21:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Frozen902, you have only 55 edits over a period of four years. In practice, administrators must be highly experienced and fully conversant with Wikipedia's policies and guideline, and are expected to have significant creation of high quality new content. Thousands of good edits are expected. Your chance of being selected as an administrator at this time is essentially zero. Please read WP:RFA. Cullen328 (talk) 21:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you perhaps mean AfC? Your draft Draft:Andrey Kulsha has been declined for reasons given. David notMD (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Rejected draft improvements

Hello, Recently I've created my first wiki page which got declined first about 22 days ago and since then I've implemented some recommended changes. I would value a lot if you could please have a look into it and let me know if you see anything that would need more work and improvement so I can make sure page gets published when it has a second review. This is the link to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mark_Kotter

Thank you in advance for your guidance and support.

Best wishes, Damjana Damjana12 (talk) 22:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Damjana12, the draft has a photograph of Kotter. It's your photograph, clearly taken with Kotter's cooperation. It seems very likely that you are somehow related to Kotter. Please read, digest, and act on Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hoary,

Thank you so much for your comment, I read the guide and I uploaded another photo which I found online from Mark Kotter in BBC Surgeons At the Edge of Life. Do you think screenshot of that is okay for Wikipedia and qualifies as fair use under the Copyright law? Thanks a lot for your help. Damjana12 (talk) 01:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Damjana12, a non-free file is never "okay for Wikipedia". It may perhaps be OK for this or that specific use within Wikipedia. A non-free photograph of a living person is virtually never permissible. A non-free photograph is never permitted in a draft. A few minutes ago, I deleted File:Mark Kotter in BBC Surgeons At the Edge of Life.png. As for c:File:Mark Kotter in the Galerie.jpg, is this or isn't it your own work? If it is, then please comment on the question of conflict of interest. If it isn't, then please edit c:File:Mark Kotter in the Galerie.jpg so that it doesn't perpetuate misinformation. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete

My article has been tagged ,<discuss whether to delete or not>. What does it mean? Junurita (talk) 03:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

You created the article Fluoric (iii) acid in mainspace today and it was shortly thereafter nominated for deletion. You are allowed to comment. The AfD process ususally takes 7-10 days, as the end of which an Administrator makes a decision to delete or not. David notMD (talk) 03:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Junurita, might I suggest that you continue creating articles through the AfC process, until you gain a better understanding of our requirements and policies in what comes to notability and referencing? Just because you now can publish directly, doesn't mean that you necessarily should; AfC is still there for you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita You submitted Draft:Fluorous acid four times yesterday and it was declined on each occasion because you had made essentially no improvements to it. You are wasting the precious time of the volunteer editors who review such drafts. Please do not submit any further draft until you have read and fully complied with all the advice at Help:Your first article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, but publishing directly into the main space, as was done with Fluoric (iii) acid, then pushes that burden onto AfD. I don't know which is worse, both are perennially congested of course, but at least the draft space is (arguably) a safer learning environment. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Second opinion on "Passing" (gender)

I've been trying to fix up the issues on the passing (gender) article since it is tagged with multiple issues and was kind of a mess. I tried to fix some of the more obvious things like adding sources to unsourced info, removing fake sources and self-published stuff like personal blogs, and removing some weasel words. Since this is my first time doing a major clean up on an article, I was wondering if another editor could maybe look over it and let me know if it's ready to have the multiple issues tag removed and what else there is to correct if not. I'm particularly having trouble understanding how to best make the article cohesive. Thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 04:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Urchincrawler I hope someone will answer here, but the Teahouse is probably not the place to request this type of feedback. I suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies or the user that tagged the page (courtesy ping to Ethanpet113). Broc (talk) 07:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

No response

Somebody (not me) has made an extended confirmed edit request at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hindu_terrorism#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2024 but nobody has bothered to reply. I feel the request is worth considering. The request can be consolidated to, change what is there in the, "Other incidents" section to:-

The Indian Home Secretary R. K. Singh said that at least 10 people having close links with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and its affiliated organisations were falsely named accused in various acts of terror across India.[72] According to released documents by WikiLeaks, Congress(I) party's general secretary Rahul Gandhi alleged at a luncheon hosted by the Prime Minister of India at his residence in July 2009 for the US Ambassador Tim Roemer, that the RSS was a "bigger threat" to India than the Lashkar-e-Taiba.[73] At The Annual Conference of Director Generals of Police held in New Delhi on 16 September 2011, a special director of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) reportedly informed the state police chiefs that Hindutva activists have either been suspected or are under false investigations, in 16 incidents of bomb blasts in the country.

2406:7400:90:92A7:A652:32F8:63C8:1B07 (talk) 06:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please be patient. There are currently 103 requests waiting to be answered. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira: You seem to be active here. Can you click on the link above and do the needful?-2406:7400:90:92A7:1D4B:88DD:A9C4:3D82 (talk) 10:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Improving a draft article

Hello! I have been working on improving a draft article for the digital history project titled Engineering Historical Memory (EHM). The page can be accessed here. May I seek your kind advice to check whether the page is ready for submission or if it still requires further improvements, please? Thank you so much! ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 09:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ArgonautOfHistory the AfC process is meant exactly for you to receive feedback on the page. If you think it's ready to be published, press "Submit the draft for review!". An experienced editor will check the page to verify it fulfills notability criteria, it does not have copyright violations, and it is properly sourced. From a first look, it seems a good start. Broc (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

How can I submit an article from my sandbox?

Could you please advise me how to submit an article from my sandbox? Naila Oto (talk) 09:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Naila Oto I've added the submission template for you so that you could submit the draft when you're ready. However note that the draft is completely unsourced and will likely be declined if submitted at its current state. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

(e/c) Hello @Naila Oto and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing a Wikipedia article from scratch is very challenging for someone new to Wikipedia. I'm afraid there would be no point in submitting User:Naila Oto/sandbox for consideration at present as it currently has no references to reliable sources. I suggest you read WP:Your first article as well as our policy pages at WP:Reliable sources and WP:Referencing for beginners. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Naila Oto You asked essentially the same question a couple of weeks ago and I gave essentially the same answer, now archived at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1228#Please_help. We are trying to help you but you need to read and act on the pages we link to. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Deleted page: 30 Year old Youth NGO Club "The House" from Latvia.

Hello, everyone!

Our NGO's page has been deleted with the translated texts from Latvian language page, I was wondering what was the reason and how practically we could fix them, to improve the acceptance rate. This was the page that god deleted. Thank you! DanielsLiecis (talk) 10:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@DanielsLiecis I'm not an admin, so I can't read deleted pages. Guessing by the message on you talkpage and Klubs "Māja" - jaunatne vienotai Eiropai, my guess is that you have WP:GNG proplems, see WP:BACKWARD. An en-WP article about this org is supposed to be a summary of independent WP:RS about this org, not repetitions about what it says about itself on it's website. See also WP:COI and Help:Translation#English_Wikipedia_policy_requirements. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Leave

A member talk me leave wikipedia because my english is not good .What should i do? P/S: I am vietnamese but i want to contribute in wikipedia english . Junurita (talk) 11:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Junurita, they did not tell you to "leave wikipedia", they merely suggested (courtesy ping to CanonNi) that it might be better for you to contribute to Wikipedia in Vietnamese. That being said, there are many non-native English speakers on the Wikipedia in English, including myself.

While you might not be ready to create new content in English, you could help out with many other tasks, such as adding sources to pages or helping with categorization. You can check out the Wikipedia:Task Center, you will certainly find a task that is suitable for you even with limited English proficiency. Broc (talk) 11:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much Junurita (talk) 13:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

User's data published in a dataset - PhD thesis

Hi everyone.

I am doing a research on Wikipedia and gender, studying the Articles for Deletion. I want to publish copies of the debates as datasets in open data, but they include signatures/user's name. Is this problematic regarding the user's privacy? The debates are attachments of the research document.

Many thanks for your help. Hiperterminal (talk) 11:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hiperterminal Media and scholarship routinely include WP usernames when they think they should. Sometimes some of us wish they hadn't, but there's not much we can do about it. WP is very public, that is sort of the point, and hopefully we thought of that when we wrote whatever we wrote. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Hiperterminal, all public content on Wikipedia is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 license, so it can be redistributed. If you're starting a research project, you might want to check out Wikipedia:Ethically researching Wikipedia and meta:Notes on good practices on Wikipedia research. Anonymizing and/or pseudonymizing your dataset might be a good idea if you have privacy concerns. Broc (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! What you are considering involves research about human subjects. While the content is released under an appropriate license, your university should have an ethics committee that will need to consider this research and approve it, given that you will be unable to source permission from the subjects you are looking at. Your supervisor can offer the best advice, but I suspect you will need ethics approval from the university before publishing the data, especially as it may contain identifying information. - Bilby (talk) 14:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please help me with an article

Hi, I am reaching out with a huge request for help in making the proper changes to the article about Dr. Andrew Pohorille. He was a founder of astrobiology at NASA and passed away on January 6, 2024. Pohorille was a pioneer in the field of modeling the origin of life (OoL), developing computer simulations of biomolecular systems, models of genetic and metabolic networks, and research on the statistical mechanics of condensed phases. His wife asked me to commemorate his life's work and include information about him. https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/in-memoriam-andrzej-pohorille/. I would be grateful for your help and support. I'll really appreciate for help with that. Aleksandra6617 (talk) 13:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aleksandra6617, do you think the subject fulfills Wikipedia notability criteria for academics? If so, I suggest drafting an article using the Articles for Creation process; once you are ready with it, you can submit it and an experienced editor will review it. Make sure to use reliable sources to support the content in the article. Broc (talk) 13:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Aleksandra6617 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft(Draft:Andrew Pohorille) is completely unsourced. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, especially as a new user without experience and knowledge. Please understand that a Wikipedia article is not a way to honor or memorialize someone(even if in practice it might do so, that's not the intention). A Wikipedia article exists to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- like a notable academic as Broc states. You need to provide sources to support the content of your article- it would actually probably be best if you first gathered the sources and then summarize them(see WP:BACKWARD). It sounds like sources could exist if he was influential at NASA, you just need to find them so any information they contain can be verified. You can learn more about sourcing at Referencing for Beginners.

If this sounds like a steeper hill to climb than you intended, you might want to consider social media or a personal website as a way you can tell the world about Dr. Pororille.

Since you are acting at the request of Dr. Pohorille's wife, you have a conflict of interest that you should disclose on your user page. 331dot (talk) 14:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions

As a new Wikipedian, from which types of activity should I start? Random User 4737 (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I've posted a welcome message on your user talk page that contains some good information that may help you, including a link to the Task Center with suggestions on ways you can help. 331dot (talk) 14:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Review my page!

Someone kindly rewiew my page as soon as possible. 3 4 2 1 football eleven 3 4 2 1 (talk) 14:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit: someone reviewed my page but rejected it for a blatantly invalid reason. Someone please take a look 3 4 2 1 football eleven 3 4 2 1 (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@331dot answer also to me you've answered lots of questions here in these minutes 3 4 2 1 football eleven 3 4 2 1 (talk) 14:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The ideal 3 4 2 1 formation for the Italy national team was correctly rejected. Wikipedia is not for posting your personal thoughts on what a good football formation or play for the Italian national football team is. That's what social media is for. 331dot (talk) 14:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 3 4 2 1 etc. Your draft was correctly rejected, as it is nothing like a Wikipedia article.

A Wikipedia article summarises what independent, reliable sources say about a subject, nothing else.

No Wikipedia article should ever advance an argument, opinion, or conclusion, in Wikipedia's voice.

You are in the same position as hundreds and hundreds of other new editors, who think that it is going to work to plunge straight into creating an article before you have learnt anything about how Wikipedia works, and what its criteria are. You are in the position of somebody who has never played tennis, and enters a major competition; or somebody who has never learnt anything about how to build houses, but who chooses a plot of land (without knowing how to survey it, or what a survey might show) and tries to erect a house.

I always advise new editors to not even think of creating a new article until they have spent weeks or months learning the necessary skills, by making improvements to existing articles. When they have some understanding of verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, then perhaps they can read Help:Your first article carefully, and try it. ColinFine (talk) 14:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Requersted article

I am looking for someone to consider rewriting the deleted article for the english version of https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Rotmans. Unfortunately the article was deleted and in need of help from someone to restore the deleted page or rewrite it in appropriate format. for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jan_Rotmans&action=edit&redlink=1. (I work for the article subject but lack proper editing skills). All help is very much appreciated! Therealjanrotmans (talk) 14:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Therealjanrotmans Hello. You say you work for the subject, but your username indicates that you are the subject. If you are not Jan Rotmans, you should change your username immediately, please see Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to change your username.

Since you work for him, the Wikipedia Terms of Use require you to formally disclose that, please see the paid editing policy. It's enough for you to just write a statement on your user page. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for reply. I've just requested a username change as you suggested through WP:CHUS.

I was trying to write the following statement on user page. Can you confirm this will do and where to upload it? Especially since I was working in Safari and i get a message now that my IP has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. :O

Hello,

I am an employee of Smarthouse, the company that handles the social media and Wikipedia content for Jan Rotmans. In accordance with Wikipedia's paid editing policy, I am disclosing my professional relationship with Jan Rotmans.

All my contributions to Wikipedia regarding Jan Rotmans and related topics are made in good faith with the intention of providing accurate and helpful information. I strive to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines and maintain a neutral point of view in all edits.

If you have any questions or concerns about my edits, please feel free to contact me.

Best regards,

Smarthouse Therealjanrotmans (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

The main issue with the draft is that it was completely unsourced. A Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. What is acceptable on other language Wikipedias may not necessarily be acceptable here, each Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. 331dot (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Fair point, will providing some sources in english help? If so:

https://www.eur.nl/en/news/transition-expert-jan-rotmans-remains-positive-more-chaos-better

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jan-Rotmans

https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/09/climate-change-expert-jan-rotmans-its-our-moral-duty-to-remain-optimistic/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7vNDpa45yU. (this video was posted by ministry of business and innovation) Therealjanrotmans (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Therealjanrotmans. I suggest you read WP:BOSS. ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I have thank you, you are right, i don't want to edit anything but I'm trying to get him recognized as public figure as he has been in the media and on the news recently. So someone else can help us with editing his pages. Whats the best way would you say? I am not paid to handle his wikipedia just to get his growing public figure presence across all platforms. Therealjanrotmans (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Admin

Can I nominate for Adminship a user I respect? Daje8 (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. You can theoretically nominate anyone that you wish, but for any chance of success that person should, in practice, have a years-long edit history that demonstrates a good understanding of Wikipedia policies, as well as a need for the admin toolset. Admins have no more authority than any other editor, just extra tools. Please see WP:RFA for more information. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@331dot ok thanks I'll think about it Daje8 (talk) 14:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

What can I do

I found it really boring to be a Wikipedian! Unknown username 1234 (talk) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Unknown username 1234 I understand. Why don't you write an Article? The 2nd one (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Rofl 🤣🤣🤣 E sono tre sono tre (talk) 14:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

4 IN 4 MINUTES ROFL 🤣 4 in 4 minutes (talk) 14:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

5 NOW !!! They are 5 now (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

And they are 6 now! ROFL! 6 volte rofl (six times rofl) (talk) 15:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Consumer activism

in a tv in india in the 80's (if I am right)there was a serial called rajni where a lady the main character argues on behalf of consumers- that was a tv serial in india but I read ralph Nader also used to speak on behalf of consumers- like common cause ect- is mrs Elizabeth warren doing somewhat similar things- I think mrs Elizabeth warren is a senator- thanks PvinodM85 (talk) 15:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Which page to centralize the discussion

I recently raised an issue about controversial statement in fundraiser banner at Village pump (WMF), however comments started to come there as well at Fundraising/2024 banners, and I also posted it at meta wiki on Talk:Fundraising as written on Fundraising/2024 banners, however it is out of wikipedia so not to bother about. Which discussion should be closed? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I start proposing an edit to a talk page of a protected page?

I wanted to propose a change to a page with "Extended confirmed protection". I wrote down what I considered to be the problem, and suggested what needs to be changed

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests You

1. Propose a specific change on a talk page. Don't add an edit request template yet.

I described the reasons for the requested change and what needs to be changed very informally as a starting point of a discussion. I provided links to sources that supports the change.

Yet the entry in the talk page was immediately reverted with the motivation: "not formal edit request by non-ECU"

I then again provided the reasoning and the links, as well as the change in the format

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and now I got a threatening message that I will be reported to the administrators again referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests

I think the current entry is seriously misrepresenting the facts. It it not allowed to say so?

I can understand that an edit needs to be formatted in a certain way before it is accepted but reverting a talk page entry is a different matter.

What is needed to get a discussion about a change started on such a page? UlfRSamuelsson (talk) 15:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@UlfRSamuelsson: Please mention the article about which you are talking. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)