Talk:Whizzer (comics)

The Blur

The Blur does not belong in a category for the superhero The Whizzer, having never used that name. He's simply other Marvel super-speedster, and no one other superhero entry lumps together, say, all archers under Hawkeye. And there certainly shouldn't be a Blur picture in an image sidebar that refers to the Whizzer's first appearance in USA Comics #1, etc. -- the two charactes are completely unrelated. Moving Blur to his own entry, and remming-out image box until a proper Whizzer/USA Comics/etc. image can go in its place. Tenebrae 17:54, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The Blur following Pc13 Reversion

I have once more removed the Blur -- as I just noted at User talk:Pc13 as well as here now -- noted because The Blur does not belong in a category for the superhero The Whizzer, having never used that name.

No one looking for The Blur who didn't already know who he was would look for him under The Whizzer.

The relationship -- an alternate-universe (MAX) version OF an alnerate-universe (Squadron Supreme) version of a Golden Age hero -- is extremely tangential. Any explanations as to the Blur's background can be addressed in his own entry. Please do not revert unilaterally without Discussion. -- Tenebrae 13:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

As I said in Tenebrae's talk page, the Blur makes no sense without the Whizzer to put him in context. The Blur is not a MAX version of an alternate-universe version of a Golden Age hero, because the Squadron Supreme Whizzer is not an alternate-universe version of the Golden Age Whizzer. He is a parody of another company's character, namely, the Flash.

Since both characters are called Stanley Stewart, and Supreme Power is a revision of the Squadron Supreme, there is no need to scatter the information. Likewise, the entry on James Sanders remains on the Whizzer page, even though the character is now called Speed Demon.

Also, Tenebrae simply erased the Blur from the Whizzer's entry, and did not bother to move it to the The Blur, which is still a redirect to Whizzer.

I'd also like to point out that although Tenebrae has asked on my talk page not to revert without discussion, he has removed the Blur without a discussion having taken place [1] -- Pc13 13:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The content's at Blur (comics) (which needs categorised, BTW). The Blur would be going against the Wikipedia:Naming Conventions (comics). I also added a "See also" link to Blur (comics) on the Whizzer page.

Abrasive as he's been about it though, I have to go with Tenebrae on this one. Maybe a mention at the end of the SqSup Whizzer section would be a good idea, but having the content at Blur (comics) makes a lot more sense. - SoM 15:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Clean up issues

Reasons for reverts and changes:

• Infobox image: As per Project Guidelines the character should be the focus, not buried among other characters and elements.
• Alter ego(s): The line is there for a reason.
• Removal of the Speed Demon character information: The character has its own article, which is where the 'box information belongs. The "Alter Ego" links to that article, again, part of the reason the line is there.
• Lead: Restructured to follow publication order.
• "Reboot": Removed as editorial assumption. The Blur is the "Ultimate" version of the character, nothing more. Unless, of course, a cite can be found showing that Straczynski's characters replaced Thomas' in the older Avengers stories...
• Section header: By secret identity for clarity and consistency.
• Restored a portion of the first paragraph for clarity. Also reworked the reference for the origin retcon.
• Moved, and cleaned, Liberty Legion retcon ref to where the article actually mentions it.
• "In other media" created for Spider-Man cartoon appearance.
• "See also" restored. The article is related, but not heavily referenced, as the Squadrons Supreme and Sinister are.

Crap edit contents:

• Information that should be in the article hidden in the reference/footnotes. References are where you cite the source for a point in the article. It is not the place to put the point, nor is it a place to editorialize to justify a point.
• References should also be as short and specific as possible, where and by who stuff. Some righteous citations here are marred by extraneous stuff.

- J Greb 16:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Revisiting...

As much as the headgear is extremely goofy looking, the image is an improvement. As is the expansion of the Frank bio.

That being said...

• Infobox:
  • Redundant information in the "Alter Ego" line removed
  • Unwarranted bolding undone.
  • Speed Demon: This is not a suggestion but based on consistency of use. The character has its own article. All the 'box info save the wikied "Alter Ego" doesn't belong here.
• Lead:
  • In part see below in regard to the "references". The crap has been removed from the needed reference information.
  • Again this is not a suggestion, unless a non-fan spec citation can be made that the Supreme Powers characters replaced the "712" characters in past stories, wording that implies that the Blur is a replacement for the 712 Whizzer should be avoided.
• "Fictional Bios": "Lowest common denominator" disclaimer removed as redundant and offensive.
• Frank bio:
  • As per Project naming guidelines, re-worded to avoid explicit or implicit numbering.
  • See below. Germaine point(s) moved back into the body of the article. Proper referencing left in the footnotes.
  • Retcon is implicit in the dates of the sources. If it needs clarification (and it likely could use it...) should be in a Publication history.
  • Specifics of the Magneto revelation belong in the Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Magneto articles. Generality moved into the article proper with proper cite left in the foot notes.
  • Minor cleanup for clarity.
• Speed Demon
  • Compressed to a "lead" section. The details belong in the Speed Demon article.
• Stewart
  • Cleanup for clarity.
  • Removed unsourced fan spec about the removal and replacement of the 712 characters.
• "See also": Reverted to this instead of the poorly worked out "Blur" section. Suggestion: If the Blur section is to be included (and an argument can be made for it), it should include a brief "lead" type section like the one under the "Speed Demon" section.
• General: Cleanup of the citation formatting. (in progress)

Crap edit contents that has been re-entered

• Information that should be in the article hidden in the reference/footnotes. References are where you cite the source for a point in the article. It is not the place to put the point, nor is it a place to editorialize to justify a point.
• References should also be as short and specific as possible, where and by who stuff. Some righteous citations here are marred by extraneous stuff.
• The insistence of constantly reinserting this could lead to the belief that it is vandalism by an editor or editors who just don't give a damn.

- J Greb 19:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you need to adjust your tone and keep it civil. There's a Wiki-policy about this as well. I don't know what has offended you, but the article it is not. You may als like to remember who is actually been ploughing through the Supreme/Sinister entries for the past few weeks to try and sort out the continuity mess.

Anyway, the main edits sort all the players into their respective categoties. The introduction was reworked and includes universe designations - the only real way to distinguish who's who. Note that the opening statement needs to be factual, and not POV. There were a few subjective terms (eg. "generally") and mistakes (eg. the Golden Age Whizzer is dead - he does not reappear from time to time) that needed to be pulled.

Yes, the villainous Whizzer's exploits belong here, as he committed these acts as the Whizzer, and was the Whizzer for many years. Note that the entry stops and directs to the Speed Demon entry once there is a name change. There is also a note and a link prior to the Earth-712 entry spelling out the difference between the Stanley Stewart. It is Blur, not the villainous Whizzer, that should not receive coverage here.

Asgardian 06:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)