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:My practice is to leave "notable residents" in a list if either the person's article connects them in a substantial manner to the place the article is about, or there is an citation to a reliable source making such connection. How substantial the connection needs to be is subject to discussion. [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC) |
:My practice is to leave "notable residents" in a list if either the person's article connects them in a substantial manner to the place the article is about, or there is an citation to a reliable source making such connection. How substantial the connection needs to be is subject to discussion. [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::That makes sense to me. Thank you. When I get chance, I'll click through the list and if it's warranted, re-add it. I suspect someone just had a grudge against these kinds of lists. [[User:Lewisguile|Lewisguile]] ([[User talk:Lewisguile|talk]]) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC) |
::That makes sense to me. Thank you. When I get chance, I'll click through the list and if it's warranted, re-add it. I suspect someone just had a grudge against these kinds of lists. [[User:Lewisguile|Lewisguile]] ([[User talk:Lewisguile|talk]]) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::There is a certain amount of boosterism in such lists, and some editors are more opposed to boosterism than others. I doubt you will see it for the islands, but I have seen arguments over whether someone should be listed as a "notable resident" of a city when they actually lived just outside the city limits, or whether attending a school in a city qualifies for "notable resident" when the person lived in another municipality. [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 16:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC) |
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The article is not internally-consistent
[edit]Information across various components of the articles appear to contradict each other somewhat, or provide somewhat different information:
Legend has it that King George III rewarded the island with a promise never to introduce taxes as compensation for their generosity, as one of the ships carried a member of the King's own family. While this remains a popular legend, the story is not true.
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The legend behind the lack of taxation comes from the Wreck of the Ten Sail, when a British prince was supposedly involved in a shipwreck off the north coast of Grand Cayman. Luckily, a local spotted the shipwreck and swam to his aid, rescuing the Prince and his crew. Since that day the Prince declared that in gratitude for the help he received, the citizens of the country of the Cayman Islands would never pay tax. There is, however, no documented evidence for this story, nor even that a British prince was involved in the shipwreck.
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[edit]Is Bermuda or The Cayman Islands the most populous British Overseas Territory? This page seems to contradict the claims of the “Bermuda” Wiki page. 2600:1700:100:C120:F46F:7960:B8C7:4C6A (talk) 09:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
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"...those with permanent residency, which is a pathway to gaining status."
[edit]What status? Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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I have reverted the insertion of WP:UNDUE, WP:BIAS and WP:TE by blocked IP user as likely WP:SPA. Similar changes were made by this user to several related pages: Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Jamaicans, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Coromantee, Mixed-race Caymanians, Slave rebellion, Tacky's Rebellion, Turks & Caicos Creole, Turks & Caicos, and others.
Having compared the diffs to see if there was anything worth keeping, I have manually restored anything with RSes or which improved prose (if there was anything). Most changes were poorly sourced and added significant bias into the article, or simply removed existing information for no policy-based reason.
For transparency, I will post this on all affected pages. Lewisguile (talk) 18:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Notable Caymanians
[edit]This list was removed as unsourced. However, each person has a WP page, as per the guidance for the list, so they are, by definition, notable. I don't think it's needed to establish their individual notability in the list when their articles already (in theory) do that.
I'm not averse to removing the list because of policy, as I'm indifferent to these lists of "Notable [nationality]" anyway, but thought it worth adding to the discussion for those who feel differently.
For the purposes of preserving what was there, the list is currently given in its entirety below:
Notable Caymanians
-At the national level, prime ministers etc are ''not'' notable because everyone has them. Okay further down the list (Island/Department). ALPHABETICAL ORDER A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE MUST EXIST FOR EACH LIST ENTRY:-
- Truman Bodden OBE (born 1945), politician
- Gladwyn K. Bush MBE (1914–2003), folk painter
- McKeeva Bush, JP (born 1955), politician
- William Warren Conolly OBE, JP (1920–2008), politician and attorney
- Kenneth Dart (born 1955), businessman, owns Camana Bay.
- Selita Ebanks (born 1983), fashion model
- Frank E. Flowers (born 1979), filmmaker, director and screenwriter
- Sybil Joyce Hylton MBE (1913–2006), community volunteer
- John Reno Jackson (born 1995), multidisciplinary artist
- Thomas Jefferson OBE (1941–2006), politician
- Sir Alden McLaughlin KCMG MBE KC JP (born 1961), politician, former Premier of the Cayman Islands
- Sybil I. McLaughlin MBE, JP (1928–2022), First Speaker of the House
- Edna Moyle OBE (1942–2013), politician and Speaker of the House
- George Nowak (born ca.1950), aka The Barefoot Man, entertainer and songwriter
- Bernard K. Passman (1916–2007), sculptor and jeweller
- David Ritch OBE, JP (born 1951), attorney and bank director
- Leila Ross-Shier (1886–1968), musician, educator and composer of "Beloved Isle Cayman"
- Kurt Tibbetts OBE (born 1954), politician
- Jeffrey Webb (born 1964), football executive indicted for corruption
- Mary Evelyn Wood (1900–1978), nurse and politician
- Leila Yates (1899–1996), pioneering nurse and midwife
Sport
- Ronald Forbes (born 1985), Olympic track athlete
- Brett Fraser (born 1989), Olympic competition swimmer
- Shaune Fraser (born 1988), Olympic swimmer and attorney
- Fabio Gall (born 1993), footballerCite error: The opening
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tag is malformed or has a bad name (see the help page). - Kemar Hyman (born 1989), Olympic sprinter
- Edison Mclean (born 1969), gold medalist in Olympic skeet shootingCite error: The opening
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tag is malformed or has a bad name (see the help page). - Cydonie Mothersille (born 1978), former Olympic sprinter
- Raegan Rutty (born 2002), Olympic artistic gymnast
- Cameron Stafford (born 1992), Caribbean junior squash champion
- Kareem Streete-Thompson (born 1973), Olympic long-jumper
- Dow Travers (born 1987), Olympic alpine skier, rugby union player and entrepreneur
Lewisguile (talk) 07:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- My practice is to leave "notable residents" in a list if either the person's article connects them in a substantial manner to the place the article is about, or there is an citation to a reliable source making such connection. How substantial the connection needs to be is subject to discussion. Donald Albury 14:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- That makes sense to me. Thank you. When I get chance, I'll click through the list and if it's warranted, re-add it. I suspect someone just had a grudge against these kinds of lists. Lewisguile (talk) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is a certain amount of boosterism in such lists, and some editors are more opposed to boosterism than others. I doubt you will see it for the islands, but I have seen arguments over whether someone should be listed as a "notable resident" of a city when they actually lived just outside the city limits, or whether attending a school in a city qualifies for "notable resident" when the person lived in another municipality. Donald Albury 16:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- That makes sense to me. Thank you. When I get chance, I'll click through the list and if it's warranted, re-add it. I suspect someone just had a grudge against these kinds of lists. Lewisguile (talk) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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