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==== RD: Michel Blanc ====
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| article = Michel Blanc
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.lemonde.fr/en/obituaries/article/2024/10/04/french-actor-michel-blanc-dies-at-72_6728214_15.html ''Le Monde''], [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/oct/06/michel-blanc-star-of-monsieur-hire-dies-aged-72 ''The Guardian''], [https://www.bfmtv.com/people/cinema/direct-mort-de-michel-blanc-gerard-jugnot-rend-hommage-a-l-acteur_LN-202410040327.html BFMTV]
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Mr. Lechkar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
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Notable French actor. [[User:Mr. Lechkar|Mr. Lechkar]] ([[User talk:Mr. Lechkar|talk]]) 23:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Greg Landry ====
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October 6

October 6, 2024 (2024-10-06) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Law and crime

Science and technology

Sinking of HMNZS Manawanui

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Article: HMNZS Manawanui (2019) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal New Zealand Navy ship Manawanui sinks off Upolu, Samoa, after running aground. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 12 people are injured as the Royal New Zealand Navy ship Manawanui sinks after grounding off Upolu, Samoa.
News source(s): BBC
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Fairly unusual for commissioned navy vessels to sink, particularly Western vessels. This is the first RNZN vessel to sink since WWII. Article could use some updating. Will see what I can add - Dumelow (talk) 18:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've expanded it to a reasonably complete update - Dumelow (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 5

October 5, 2024 (2024-10-05) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Sports

RD: Ifigenia Martínez y Hernández

Article: Ifigenia Martínez y Hernández (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Proceso (in Spanish)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Abcmaxx (talk) 19:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is teetering on a stub, and almost all the sources are primary sources. Scuba 20:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 4

October 4, 2024 (2024-10-04) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Michel Blanc

Article: Michel Blanc (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde, The Guardian, BFMTV
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Notable French actor. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 23:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Greg Landry

Article: Greg Landry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NFL.com, NBC Sports, ABC News, AP News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Detroit Lions quarterback and Chicago Bears assistant coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:9C21:B9C3:98B5:A380 (talk) 12:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is orange tagged. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is in bad need of citations. Scuba 21:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Billy Shaw

Article: Billy Shaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NFL.com, ESPN, AP News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Hall of Fame Buffalo Bills guard. 240F:7A:6253:1:2D9A:96F4:D7E9:E994 (talk) 04:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait college section needs some work as it mainly consists of quotes, there is one cn tag and there is basically no indormation about his life between 1969 till 1999 and then from 1999 till his death. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good from a glance, no orange tags, no CNs that I could see. Scuba 16:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Multiple citation tags outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 16:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing Removal: Sudanese civil war (2023–present)

Article: Sudanese civil war (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Even if it's still ongoing, it dosen't receive as much coverage that it use to have. That article is also less updated then what it was. --Roncanada (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose per previous arguments Abo Yemen✉ 12:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The list of ongoing armed conflicts lists six major wars, 15 wars and many lesser conflicts. By listing just a few of these in ITN's Ongoing, we give the impression that that's all there is. That's misleading and so it would be better to link to the list. That would provide a continuous gateway to all the numerous conflicts such as the Gang war in Haiti which is discussed below. Cherry-picking particular wars and incidents is not adequate as it thereby ignores all the others. And we don't have space to list everything. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You opposed the nomination related to the Haitian gang war though? We have plenty of space, the main obstacle is regular updates and article quality. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Just 3 days ago there was an article in The Guardian about the El Fasher offensive, 2 weeks ago CNN article about the capital city battles, and Al Jazeera article about the resulting refugee crisis. Quite clearly ongoing and widely reported on, even given the difficulties reporting on this part of the world. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The ongoing line is meant for stories that are making headlines on a near daily basis, not simply because the event is ongoing. The Ukraine and the Israeli fronts clearly get those. While there are occasional stories from the Sudan civil war, its just too small scale in terms of coverage to be appropriate to maintain in the ongoing line. Masem (t) 12:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support only 50 edits since August, and nothing substantive. Stephen 13:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Due to various reasons, this particular conflict is not making that much news. It has only limited number of edits in the last two months when ongoing articles are expected to be updated nearly every day. I don't think timeline article is good enough to be posted on the main page as it seems to have turned into a news ticker. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I see well over 30 articles on the subject of the war in the last 24-48 hours (Searching for Sudan and Soudan...) Yesterday, AfricaNews wrote: "Fighting is expected to intensify as the rainy season draws to a close." (source) For some reason, neither the 29 Sept 2024 NYT article (§) on the UAE's "borrowing" of the Red Crescent symbol, nor the 2 October BBC article mentioning that NYT article have made it to the entry yet... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Even if there are dozens of news stories of late about it, the lack of significant updates on a near-daily basis to our article itself means it's failing the quality aspect that would be expected for ongoing, and should be removed. But even with the bulk of those stories, the ones I see all fall into more routine coverage that doesn't describe any significant events that are part of it. Masem (t) 15:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Yes, the pace of editing has slowed a bit. But the article is still getting meaningful updates and sadly the war is continuing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support per stephen. it is for events with regular updates, clearly it is lacking.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: I disagree that an ongoing item needs to require regular updates, but then, as others have noted above, there certainly are things going on in this conflict, particularly if we look more widely than the front pages of western media. The war is important and the war is ongoing: therefore, it is a good candidate for an ongoing item. UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Bosnia and Herzegovina floods

Article: 2024 Bosnia and Herzegovina floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least fifteen people die in floods and landslides in Bosnia and Herzegovina. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Al-Jazeera, N1Info, Associated Press
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Article sources count 14 dead in Jablanica and 1 in Fojnica. At least one place was apparently completely buried by debris (Donja Jablanica), so likely many more. The main road between Sarajevo and the Adriatic Sea is closed. Elections are also due this weekend. Daß Wölf 14:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, oppose on quality as the article isn't there yet. 15 confirmed less than 24 hours after the event happened is awfully high, and a village with its own article buried is what I'd considered newsworthy. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any suggestions on what to improve? There's more info in the sources I used in the article, but I tried to stick with what's almost surely not going to be refuted. The catastrophe entered the news cycle only several hours earlier today. The people who found the dead in Jablanica are with the mountain rescue service, which probably started at sunrise.
There should be more info by tomorrow, but I don't believe any of this is going to be struck out. Jablanica might or might not turn out to be the centre of the catastrophe. I'll add the government info from the N1 article; I only relied on BiH and Croatian sources up till now. Daß Wölf 14:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some suggestions I have for improving the article's quality are to split it into sections and add an infobox. I suggest the article have at least sections for the lede, background, the flooding itself, the aftermath, reactions, and a see also section to similar disasters. As for the infobox, I suggest Template:Infobox flood. If you find any images, either free-to-use or fair use (mutually exclusive), use that as the image parameter. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GeorgeMemulous: Thanks, I've added an infobox. I'll organise it into sections if I find more time later today (but naturally, anybody is welcome). No objections beside the layout? Daß Wölf 15:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond that, I'd say the article length is the other main concern, but I assume once it's split into the aforementioned sections that won't be much of a concern. Everything appears to be sourced. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kcmastrpc: Economic impact will be pretty high. Due to the enormous damage of the railway, the Federal Railways will suffer a daily loss of circa KM 280,000 (~€143,000) for at least a few months according to this source. The fact that part of the main road, M-17, between the capital Sarajevo and Mostar has suffered major damage as well (the two cities garnering a major amount of economic cash flow), will most definitely add to the financial loss. These are the most damaging floods since the ones in 2014 and this is an enormous deal as it was completely unexpected. Bakir123 (talk) 14:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 3

October 3, 2024 (2024-10-03) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

RD: Pierre Christin

Article: Pierre Christin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro, El Pais
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French comic author known per Valérian. Article not ready yet. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs attention) 2024 Pont-Sondé attack

Article: 2024 Pont-Sondé attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An attack on the Haitian town of Pont-Sondé by a gang leaves at least 70 people dead and another 50 injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Breaking news around the world now, death and injury toll still only estimated at the moment. Only just started the article so help with expanding most welcome: need background, attack, response and aftermath sections ideally. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sardonic comment: sorry, come back if a white person dies, otherwise not hittin' WP:MINIMUMDEATHS here. (Advice for those outside the Global North "wanting" to "make it onto" ITN: [1]) Hmm, Helene got deaths-blurbed when its tally hit the century mark—though to be fair it already was blurbed as a Major Storm. I wonder where the line is for that, maybe Category 3, the NHC's for "major hurricane" vs just "hurricane"? "Fun" thought exercise how many people would a Cat 2 storm have to kill in Haiti, to get on ITN, if it didn't affect anywhere else? (Stick a pin in this comment, for next weekish when then-likely-Trop Storm Kirk warp-5s over to W Europe, and how ITN reacts towards that, to contrast.) --Slowking Man (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait/Lean Support Article still need a bit more work, but given the causalities and based on the international reaction I'm leaning towards support. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality per above - while not a stub, article is still far too short. Support on notability - even with the ongoing crisis, a gang shooting that kills upwards of 70 people is anything but "routine." The Kip (contribs) 19:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Event in the news, endorse (conditional on quality as usual). Bitter regretful observation: people might want to keep eye on (T·E·H·L·R) Haitian Civil War for if/when it gets turned to an article. --Slowking Man (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, I would have to agree with Slowking Man's and note the blasé attitudes towards this event by some individuals reflecting trends that have been documented among media portrayals of certain communities. Clearly a significant event. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Highlighting this particular incident still wouldn't give the big picture. The list of ongoing armed conflicts indicates that this is just a drop in the ocean. The gang wars in Mexico generate more deaths than the gangs in Haiti and then there are other major wars too. If you want to right great wrongs, then you have your work cut out for you. Our job as an encyclopedia is to summarise all this, not to dwell on the detail. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The larger issue is that WP is not a newspaper, and not every single event needs an article or a separate article. This specific event looks like part of the ongoing violence in Haiti and while it was noted in the day-to-day media, likely will not have any substantive difference from all the other violence in Haiti that necessitates a separate article, much less being ITN. Masem (t) 13:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think here is a larger point some of us are kind of working towards: Okay, now, take a view like those expressed in the replies preceding mine, and apply to other subjects and kinds of events. Do we really need to mention every cyclone that kills a bunch of people and give it its own article? What about floods in Europe or China or India or insert place here? Heat waves? Storms happen, people die, big deal, people die all the time. Put it in some kinda "storms in $YEAR" article. ("Don't let $PERSON's death get you down. People die all the time. Why, you could wake up dead tomorrow. ...Well. goodnight!") Philosophical/rhetorical query: What is it that makes "big storms and their effects" more intrinsically ITN-worthy vs "humans directly killing other humans in $PLACE"?
    Fun exercise: reflect on this given that us cranking up our planet's temperature is inevitably going to lead to much more of this stuff. What's gonna be the response when three/four-digit death tolls from cyclones become a routine annual event? (Excerpts from Future Wikipedia: "The 2039 tropical storm death season begins in the Northern Hemisphere. Wikipedia reminds those located below 40 degrees north to review their disaster and evacuation planning, stay informed, and promptly follow instructions from relevant authorities.") Not to mention all the inevitable mass migration/conflict/wars likely to result. (More excerpts: "Ongoing events: Current sub-temperate territorial conflicts") Ooh, nice informative & relevant map: pop. density/latitude. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC) (Phrase of the day: "shifting baselines" --Slowking Man (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    Replying to own comment to note that "floods in part of Europe" has been apparently just posted to ITN. (Bonus points: from a non-English-as-first-lang part!) Compare-and-contrast current death toll. More data points for calibration of WP:MINIMUMDEATHS? ("Storms and floods happen, people die...") --Slowking Man (talk) 19:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The flood stub and this stub are about the same size (by any name). I didn't think the flood one would make it. Now that it has and with this event rarer and deadlier, holding it down would definitely appear to suggest what it looks like about our standards and practices. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    InedibleHulk, you would know (or at least should know) that we do not post stubs. The 2024 Bosnia and Herzegovina floods article wasn't a stub (any longer) when I posted it. Neither is this article a stub any longer. Whilst those assessments are not an exact science, I note that they no longer have stub tags, and on the talk pages, they are both rated start class; I agree with those ratings. Hence, the basic premise from which you start your argument (if we post the other stub, we might as well post this stub, too) is wrong.
    Blurbs get posted when there is at least rough consensus to do so. To my mind, this article is good enough now. It cannot get posted, though, because that's not what the consensus says. There are many comments above that the topic is notable but the article (at the time of voting) was a stub. That's now changed, but editors need to say so. Schwede66 03:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought adding "(by any name)" would be enough (sorry). Whatever we call this short article or that brief overview, you posted the latter after two supports. Given the expansion and de facto "Wait !votes", I now count more than two supportive of publicizing this attack (including your own) and know some admins who'd rightly discount a few of those opposes as poor arguments; if any of them are watching, I suggest posting sooner than later. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:23, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs attention If those who opposed on quality can please have a look again if the current quality is enough now to change your votes given the article has been majorly expanded. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Abcmaxx: Am I to understand your prior Update and Needs attention emboldenings as support in itself? If so, I think you'll need to embolden the word "Support" for it to technically count toward "consensus". At least that's what I've gathered from editors need to say so. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:54, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm the nominator though. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point, my bad; @PrinceofPunjab: You're not, are you? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Scu ba: I missed your name in the SEAOFNUMBERS; would you care to start again? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @TDKR Chicago 101: I have no idea how I missed you starting first, but that's no excuse; have things changed? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typhoon Krathon

Article: Typhoon Krathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon leaves at least 18 people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan. (Post)
News source(s): Barrons, Inquirer, France 24, AP News
Credits:

The storm death toll has risen to 18, and the articles are in good shape. HurricaneEdgar 19:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

British Indian Ocean Territory / Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute

Articles: British Indian Ocean Territory (talk · history · tag) and Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Kingdom agrees to cede sovereignty of the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United Kingdom agrees to cede sovereignty of the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United Kingdom agrees to cede sovereignty of the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius in exchange for the territory being leased back to the UK for the initial period of 99 years.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

CMD (talk) 10:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 99-year lease applies to the base on Diego Garcia; the transfer of sovereignty applies to the entire territory, and Mauritius has indicated that they'd support resettling Chagossians on the other islands of the archipelago. And the rest of your comment convinces me that you are not bringing a serious understanding of international relations to bear here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 2

October 2, 2024 (2024-10-02) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Sports

RD: Christopher Charles Benninger

Article: Christopher Charles Benninger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American-born Indian architect. 240F:7A:6253:1:E8D8:9FD9:8A77:E4D6 (talk) 15:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is an orange COI and NPOV tag. The early life section have no information about the subject's early life. Sourcing is not great as some of the sources are dead, primary or have no information about the subject. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Complete brain mapping of fruit fly

Article: Brain mapping (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists complete a full brain map of the common fruit fly. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, The Guardian, Nature (peer reviewed paper)
Credits:

Article updated

Best likely article to include this but currently lacks this update. Masem (t) 17:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Strong oppose on quality - article hasn't been updated at all since May 2024. A timeline article, or an article about this specific brainmap would be best here, but to my knowledge none exists. Not sure as to notability, but leaning weak support. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC) Quality issues are more or less resolved, overall support. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I plan to do the update if it is not done in the next 12 to 24 hr. On mobile so can't do an effective job of it until on real keyboard. Masem (t) 18:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Expansion is done. I think there are free use images based on the papers, but have to try to figure out best source to work from . --Masem (t) 05:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not eligible for DYK, it is not at GA within the past 7 days, nor expanded 5x, or new enough. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Susie Berning

Article: Susie Berning (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USGA.org, ESPN, AP News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American Hall of Fame professional golfer. 240F:7A:6253:1:F8A2:3A7B:85FC:16AA (talk) 02:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 1

October 1, 2024 (2024-10-01) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

Mark Rutte installed as Secretary General of NATO

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Article: Mark Rutte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte (pictured) is installed as the Secretary General of NATO, succeeding Jens Stoltenberg (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mark Rutte (pictured) succeeds Jens Stoltenberg as Secretary General of NATO
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated

US port strike

Article: 2024 United States port strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dockworkers strike at East and Gulf Coast ports in the United States (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 45,000 ILA dockworkers go on strike at East Coast and Gulf Coast ports in the United States.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 45,000 dockworkers of the International Longshoremen's Association strike across United States Gulf and East Coast ports.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The ILA and USMX negotiate to suspend a three-day labour strike at US Gulf and East Coast ports by over 45,000 dockworkers.
News source(s): (initial CNBC report), (post-strike Reuters report)
Credits:

This may impact supply and inflation and is newsworthy. Interstellarity (talk) 21:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - this may not last long. And hasn't exactly been getting anything other than local reporting. What other strikes have we ITN'ed? I'd have thought it would have had to be more of a general strike, or something unusual like the 1981 US Air Traffic Controllers strike, when they simply fired all the strikers. If we ITNed all similar strikes, we'd have a few a month just for France! :) Nfitz (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment US East Coast / Gulf ports process close to half of the value of imports coming into the USA, and if I'm not mistaken, the US is the biggest importer on the planet. Also, I believe we blurbed the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike which was entertainment workers, not people who oversaw trade. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike was blurbed in July 2023: see the posted blurb page. There was also coincidentally a blurb for a large-scale strike in France earlier that month. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Purely by the numbers, a French strike does not have the same economic impact as one that impacts the entire East and Gulf Coast ports, which as noted process about half of all imports/exports. IF this lasts long (more than a few days), it could be one of the largest strikes in decades. Wqwt (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If this lasts long, then it can be reposted. Obviously strikes in bigger countries have bigger local impacts. That doesn't make it ITN. Surely the relative impact of the Canadian rail strike (which shut down virtually the entire rail network) was bigger - but not even nominated. Nfitz (talk) 16:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Canadian rail strike was nominated. It was mainly opposed due to article quality issues & also b/c the strike ended too quickly. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – From the Impact section of the article, we can see the massive effects this strike has. First strike of this sort in nearly fifty years. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There have been many, many, dockworkers strikes. It isn't even the first one this week - Montreal. The only difference is the rest of us don't rush here as fast as we can for local news. Nfitz (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for a while to see if this is resolved very quickly (i.e. under 24 hours), but otherwise strong support. (argument moved below). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It looks like there isn't going to be a resolution to this anytime soon and the fact this story has dropped off the front pages of many MSM outlets has me suspicious. Blurb it! Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Amos

Article: John Amos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Amos passed 21 August 2024; it was announced 1 October 2024. Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose large chunks of article are uncited. Scuba 20:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I am shocked to see that they didn't let public know before 40 days passed. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose orange tagged and many cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Iran strikes Israel

Article: October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iran launches strikes against Israel following Israel's ground invasion of Lebanon. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Iran launches a missile attack against Israel.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Iran launches a missile attack against Israel in retaliation for the assassinations of Hezbollah and Hamas leaders Hassan Nasrallah and Ismail Haniyeh, and of Iranian general Abbas Nilforoushan.
News source(s): WaPo CNN
Credits:

Early, but could have crucial consequences in the conflict - RockinJack18 17:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Altblurb1 until Iran's attack is directly connected to the invasion of Lebanon. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm sure this was just a spur of the moment thing. Scuba 02:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This was a major, highly newsworthy attack that is important enough to have its own entry. Jerdle (talk) 18:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I know it's tempting to bundle together the crazy events in the last 2 days but I think this is a notable development on its own. A nuclear-armed state has been directly bombarded by a foreign nation. Tel Aviv and Jerusalem have had hundreds of missile strikes, the entire country is in lockdown, by far the biggest confrontation between Israel and Iran ever. This will have major ramifications for the future of the conflict. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel there's significant exaggeration in your statement User:PrecariousWorlds. It's not the "biggest confrontation between Israel and Iran ever". With less than 200 missiles fired, it's not even the biggest confrontation this year - as there was over 300 in April 2024. Also, with less than 200 missiles fired, what sourcing are you using for the "hundreds of missile strikes"? Surely the majority of the missiles were shot down, and didn't strike. Can you provide some kind of back-up for your comment, or edit it? Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
US Major general Pat Ryder says the attack was at least twice as big as in April ( ). Most were intercepted but many struck and caused significant damage in suburbs and in military bases. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your words are hundreds. Clearly Ryder is full of it, according to Israeli and Iranian claims. Nfitz (talk) 16:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait/Oppose until we see if this has wider ramifications. Iran launched missiles at Israel just this year, in April, as a response to Israel killing five members of Iran’s revolutionary guards, but there was no larger effects. The middle east is a powder keg right now, and we should not be posting every salvo that occurs between all these nations. Natg 19 (talk) 18:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. a whole country waiting for missiles coming from +1000miles away to fall on its head, in what might spark a (choose your superlative / descriptor) war, is important enough. TaBaZzz (talk) 18:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a big breaking news live coverage on every major news network around the world. It should be "Alternative blurb" because blurb is original research that is probably wrong. Tradediatalk 19:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered in ongoing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb. We shouldn't try to read tea leaves about why Iran did this, nor should be broadcast their explanations. The article will cover all that. What's important to cover in the blurb is what happened. Hundreds of ballistic missiles were fired. Add casualty figures if there were any, as they become available, because we customarily include them. Jehochman Talk 19:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment reports say most of the missiles were shot down, and the few that landed did little damage with maybe perhaps one casualty. This would make this similar to the previous missile strike this year. It is probably better to try to keep it to one facet of this conflict, being the lebanon invasion. Masem (t) 19:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb unless there is a separate posting for the Lebanon invasion. Two for one. Bitspectator ⛩️ 19:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Is the consensus that this nomination and the below nomination regarding the Israel invasion of Lebanon from September 30th are mutually exclusive? On the one hand, the two events are directly connected and closely related, so it seems logical to group them in a blurb. But on the other hand, this attack by Iran has been in the works for a while - is it an oversimplification to imply causation by saying "After Israel does x, Iran does y"? In any event, support some blurb being posted. The admin who reviews this probably should assess and decide on the nomination for the invasion at the same time. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the original blurb here with both launches strikesand Israel's ground invasion of Lebanon to be bolded. We can use one blurb to document two very related events.VR (Please ping on reply) 19:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Vice regent Not true, the IRGC said it was for the assassinations Personisinsterest (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose covered by ongoing.
Noah, BSBATalk 19:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Observation 1: No one (of the general reader public, to a first approximation) notices/sees the "ongoing" items down there. See banner blindness. Might as well just remove the individual entries, just retain the "Ongoing events" link, enlarge text size a bit. Move all the "here are various Major Global Events" stuff to the top of that page. There, frees up space in the already crowded ITN box (this helps in making individual items stand out more). (Wikimedia really needs to hire a professional UI designer. The Right Thing to do would be for them to make suggestions on improvements, and work on things requested by the projects.)
Observation 2: Assume waaaaay less general background & world events knowledge of a general audience (the audience Wikipedia is supposed to be written towards). Lowest common denominator. What % of the total English-as-a-first-language population do you estimate would be able to without looking up anything, correctly answer: Name a country that Hezbollah has something to do with? Which countries are immediately adjacent to Israel? Okay now do total world English speakers. Those things being necessary prerequisite knowledge, to know that for some kind of News related to "Israel" "Iran" "Lebanon", you might want to go looking under "Israel—Hezbollah war". --Slowking Man (talk) 20:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
on the ·second point, we don't assume readers are dumb as rocks and there is some degree of WP:CIR for readers, it's why we normally do not link country or major city names unless we are specifically talking about that as a geographic place, because we assume that readers have a decent knowledge of world geography. Masem (t) 20:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, it's hard to keep track of axis of the three H-terrorist groups, and what they currently occupy, for a casual reader. I think a simple "Israeli wars" or "Fighting in the Middle East" might cover it better. Nfitz (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have some possibly bad news for you about the median level of geography knowledge of the general public. (Yes that's the right link though the website might look unexpected, they apparently commissioned the survey.) Hmm wonder what kind of results you'd get from a survey of one of the top 5 countries here after the US (the total # of which are in Europe: 0) Slowking Man (talk) 01:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC) (Clarifying addendum: top 5 by total # of en speakers --Slowking Man (talk) 04:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Thai school bus crash

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Article: 2024 Lam Luk Ka bus crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Twenty schoolchildren and three others are killed in a bus crash (pictured) in Pathum Thani, Thailand (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A school bus crashes (pictured) in Pathum Thani, Thailand, leaving 20 school children and 3 others dead
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, Bangkok Post
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Bus carrying school children crashes and catches fire in Thailand, leaving 20 children and 3 other dead. Significant both in term of number of fatalities and that of the fact that most of which are children. PS Feel free to edit the blurb as appropriate. I'm not sure about its writing style. --Chainwit. (talk) 16:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that image AI generated? See the hose on the right disappearing and the nearly unintelligible Mercedes-Benz written in English. That, or this image was taken at a low resolution and upscaled, keeping the sparse details. Either way, I don't believe this image is a good fit for ITN. Neutral on the blurb, seems to be a relatively major safety incident more than it is as a loss of life, as the article states that over 20,000 traffic fatalities are reported yearly in Thailand. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Image is not AI generated I can confirm. It just happen so to be a screenshot from a low-res live stream on YouTube. And yes, the bus indeed bears a Mercedes logo. -- Chainwit. (talk) 17:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose The loss of life is horrific. However we almost never post traffic accidents, even really bad ones. And as GeorgeMemulous noted, Thailand has a bad reputation for traffic safety. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose a tragic accident, but I don't think this will any sort of long term impact or effect. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose, tragic but ultimately routine news. For anyone curious, on the livestream, we can see that there's a twist and fold in the hose making it flatter at one angle, and giving the impression that it's disappearing into the ground (and reappearing), especially with the low resolution. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Sigh... with respect, I find myself once again needing to correct the record and point out a double standard in relation to a bus crash which occurs outside of the western world. In March of this year, after 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash was nominated, there was strong opposition with many claiming that we do not post "routine bus crashes" (similar to what is happening here). At that time, I pointed out that, quite contrary to those claiming we never post automobile accidents, we had actually in fact posted both the Carberry highway collision and Humboldt Broncos bus crash with minimal, if any, opposition. To post those accidents from the Western world but not one with more casualties from a non-western country, would leave ITN readers with the impression that white bus crash victims dying is notable where African or Asian bus crashes are not. In the end, the 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash was posted to ITN. For consistency and to avoid systemic bias, that precedent should be upheld. This is a devastating event for Thailand and it is being widely reported by global news outlets and there is no reason to break from the precedent we set earlier this year. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand your position, but in my opinion, the Carberry bus crash would get an oppose vote from me. Of the four mentioned, I'd say the Humboldt Broncos bus crash and 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash are the only ones that would deserve a blurb, given the former having important and notable passengers killed and the latter having a very high death toll of one identifiable group. That being said, Oppose the 2024 Thai bus crash until if and when a major new development occurs. If all is said and done, it'll stay oppose. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Honestly, I wouldn't have supported posting any of these bus crashes. We can always point at previous times we did something to call it a precedent, but it means we never get to actually ask ourselves whether we should've actually be doing it to begin with. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not interesting to our readers. Tradediatalk 20:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    this is not a forum to discuss if articles are interesting but rather to post articles that are in the news ( WP:ITNPURPOSE ) so no offense but that argument is not valid (keep your oppose vote though not invalidating that!) Ion.want.uu (talk) 01:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per above. Absolutely tragic, but limited impact and likely to have a limited legacy. The Kip (contribs) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support event is significant due to high fatality rate and the circumstance of it being children. Being "not interesting" to readers just because it didn't occur in the Western world shouldn't be any reason to oppose and doesn't diminish its significance and impact. Happily888 (talk) 01:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is the type of event article that at the present time, it is not clear if it has the enduring coverage that we'd expect for event articles, as is the case for most road traffic accidents, even with the large toll. This is the trouble that we have overall with keeping the encyclopedia to covering news topics that are appropriate for an encyclopedia, with a long tail and influence elsewhere, and not for any current event that gets a burst of news coverage (even if worldwide). Maybe there is some long tail of a story here, but its definitely not obvious, and until it is, we really shouldn't even have an article on it (that's more what Wikinews is for). --Masem (t) 04:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A quick update here, investigations found the bus to have been illegally modified with 10 gas tanks fitted into it. It "likely would" cause a stricter reform in term of bus regulation in Thailand, which IMO makes the incidence significant in term of a lasting effect? (Again with another "?") --Chainwit. (talk) 08:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. It was a coach rather than a school bus, having been hired for an outing
  2. It was about 50 years old and been extensively modded, being converted from an Isuzu to a Mercedes – don't ask me how
  3. Such incidents are common in Thailand which has a very high rate of traffic accidents – see List of countries by traffic-related death rate
Andrew🐉(talk) 22:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Jimmy Carter turns 100

Good faith nom, however consensus to post will not develop. Wishing Mr. Carter joy and many (more) years. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already on MainPage under SA/OTD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jimmy Carter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter turns 100, the first U.S. president to do so. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, The Hill, USA Today, Al Jazeera, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: A milestone for a record-holder. Carter is the oldest living U.S. president, the longest-lived president in U.S. history, the president who has lived longest after their presidency ended, and the first to reach the age of 100.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Closed) Inauguration of Claudia Sheinbaum

(NON-ADMIN CLOSURE)
WP:SNOW, especially given her election was posted when it happened. The Kip (contribs) 17:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Claudia Sheinbaum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Claudia Sheinbaum (pictured) is inaugurated as the 66th President of Mexico, becoming the first woman to ever hold the office. (Post)
News source(s): NPR, NBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: It's the first time a woman has ever held the presidency in Mexico, also being particularly groundbreaking as the first woman ever elected to be head of state in one of the three major North American countries
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(Posted) New Prime Minister of Japan

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Articles: Shigeru Ishiba (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Japan, succeeding Fumio Kishida. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Japan, after winning the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party leadership election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After winning the Liberal Democratic Party leadership election, Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Japan, succeeding Fumio Kishida.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) succeeds Fumio Kishida as the Prime Minister of Japan, after winning the Liberal Democratic Party leadership election.
News source(s): NHK, Japan Today, Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Shigeru Ishiba has officially been accepted as the 102nd Prime Minister of Japan by the Diet. However, the article still needs some work done. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That nomination was closed with consensus to wait till inauguration. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Election article is good sourcing wise, but the background info is lacking info between 9/11 to 9/27 and that's a huge/crucial part of the election coverage. Ishiba's article also has a few cn tags, given the overall improved state of the article. Support Expanded the LDP article and addressed cn tags on Ishiba's article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per ITN/R Scuba 16:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
amended as ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support because it's a new head of state and ITN/R. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JohnAdams1800, if something is ITN/R, then the only matter to comment on is whether article quality is up to scratch. Schwede66 23:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, he's not head of state but head of government, Japan is a constitutional monarchy, with Naruhito as head of state. AusLondonder (talk) 20:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 30

September 30, 2024 (2024-09-30) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

RD: Ken Page

Article: Ken Page (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RadioTimes.com, Extra
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 10:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support American voice and stage actor of several memorable characters, aged precisely 70. A lot of the Career section might look unsourced, until you follow the Wikilinks. I, for one, don't mind following the Wikilinks. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose vast swaths of article are uncited, including most of his biography and his entire filmography and discography. Scuba 16:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pete Rose

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Article: Pete Rose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not say that Rose was the face of baseball. However, I would be willing to support a blurb as he does have the most hits (a record unlikely to be broken). Unfortunately, I am doubtful that a blurb is happening, as he is not a Pele or a Maradona. Natg 19 (talk) 18:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready: a few CN tags. Once article is of good quality, support RD (major figure in a major sport), but oppose blurb.
-insert valid name here- (talk) 17:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. Not that much famous or transformative. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an interesting situation, because Rose is 100% worthy of the HOF based on his baseball accomplishments. But he has been denied entry due to gambling and was "banned" from baseball. Natg 19 (talk) 15:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're really going to use that argument against Rose? Scuba 20:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Orange tag for inadequate sourcing in the Records and achievements section. There are also multiple footnote-deficient paragraphs the rest of the prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Israel launches a ground operation in Lebanon

Article: 2024 invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel launches a ground invasion of Lebanon aimed to clear Hezbollah's border infrastructure. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel launches a cross-border ground operation in Lebanon aimed to clear Hezbollah's border infrastructure.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Israel launches a ground invasion of Lebanon as part of the current Israel–Hezbollah conflict
Alternative blurb III: ​ Israel begins a ground operation in Lebanon aimed to clear Hezbollah's border infrastructure.
News source(s): https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/30/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-hamas-war-news-gaza/
Credits:

Yet another escalation to Israel's war against Hezbollah. Not sure if "invasion" or "operation" is correct here, so I added both as altblurbs. Article isn't up to ITN levels yet. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was added to ongoing several days ago, listed as Israel–Hezbollah conflict. Natg 19 (talk) 22:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think its reasonable to say that this invasion/operation is covered by ongoing Hungry403 (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No more reasonable than to say the same about Hassan Nasrallah's featured and connected murder; once combined, they can roll off together and whatever happens afterward can remain Ongoing (unless it's bigger, maybe). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment With respect, "It's covered by ongoing" is not, without more, a useful contribution to this notability discussion. There is no ITNC rule which states that the two are mutually exclusive and there are obviously some circumstances where a blurb for a major development within an ongoing conflict is necessary. IMHO, future discussion should address the actual substance of whether it is a sufficiently notable development to merit a blurb.
As for my personal view, I would wait and then support for accuracy - if the scale of the incursions is as big as initial reports, this is one of the most geopolitical notable events of the decade and marks a major spread of active boots on the ground warfare in the Middle East. The article is not there yet though and that is owing in part to the situation still rapidly evolving/literally under way overnight as we speak. FlipandFlopped ツ 04:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This is basically the biggest development in the conflict since October 7th, even with ongoing this is a major development that is notable enough to be blurbed. The ongoing item should probably be renamed to something like 'Israeli invasion of Lebanon' (maybe rephrase somehow to reflect Hezbollah being the main target rather than Lebanon itself). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom and above. TyphoonAmpil [citation needed] 09:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative blurb II. We really shouldn't be putting Netanyahu's POV so explicitly on our main page. Netanyahu claims this is a "limited ground operation", similar to how Putin claims the invasion of Ukraine was "a special operation". Let's not take sides and just state the facts.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can an admin WP:SNOW move the article before it gets posted? I see 22 supports to 1 oppose.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can someone explain why this isn't covered by the Hezbollah ongoing we added only 4 days ago in a discussion that contemplated this very invasion? Nfitz (talk) 12:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    After reflection, this is just too big not to blurb. Support but remove from ongoing until this rolls off and remove the current assassination blurb (but post this at top). Support Alt 2. Sorry User:Kcmastrpc. Nfitz (talk) 12:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No need to apologize, you're making good arguments. I would lean towards support if the ground incursion could be confirmed larger in scope, but at the moment it appears to be targeted and limited. If that changes, then I will reconsider my position. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's hard to tell what they are thinking. Aggressors frequently play down their operations for logistical reason. And on the other hand, if Iran does, as the US is claiming they are about to do, and launch ballistic missiles at Israel, will we see yet another blurb? And another when USA fires ballistic missiles at Iran? I keep flipping on this. Nfitz (talk) 16:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per above, the point of ongoing was to capture the evolving headlines that arose out of this conflict, including the well anticipated ground incursion. What's the use of ongoing if we're just going to blurb every major development on this topic? Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If it wasn't for the lesser development currently still posted on its own, I'd hear you. You're making perfect sense, clearly. But there's a cognitive dissonance (in me), and we all know that's what everyone wants stopped at all costs (in each's own). So what? Pull it? InedibleHulk (talk) 12:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I'd considered that, but I had also opposed the posting of the HQ strike as a standalone blurb. The pager attack seemed novel and what turned out to be the beginning of a very deliberate campaign by Israel, so that seemed warranted. If this develops into a full blown invasion, per above, I could be convinced to support a blurb, but at the moment this is a well-anticipated (albeit sad) development in an ongoing conflict. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not sad for the children of the profiteers (and their children), at least, who also need to eat. Tolerance and wisdom are complicated, sometimes too winding. I haven't quite !voted either way yet, technically, so I'll let you choose for me and then just try not to think about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I feel that the addition of "ongoing" a few days ago is enough for now Tradediatalk 14:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As per above, I believe this shouldn't just be ongoing since it is such a major escalation. Support for Levivich's suggestion, and push it to the top as well Sharrdx (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and support swapping out Israel-Hezbollah war for this article in ongoing. Scuba 16:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - I'm going to change my mind again. This is moving too quickly, and all the blurbs are likely out of date with Iran's attack. Let's see what happens in the next few hours. Nfitz (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think adding this would be having far too many stories about this conflict in a fortnight, that's what we have ongoing for. Even, if this does end up getting posted then Nasrallah's death news should be removed. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose It’s a highly notable development, hence a weak oppose rather than a full one, but between the airstrikes (that ended up pulled), death of Nasrallah, this, and now the Iranian missile strikes, we don’t want to overwhelm ITN solely with blurbs relating to this conflict - that’s literally why we added it to ongoing. The Kip (contribs) 17:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm satisfied with the combined blurb. The Kip (contribs) 00:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by an ongoing entry. LiamKorda 17:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gavin Creel

Article: Gavin Creel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 18:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Humberto Ortega

Article: Humberto Ortega (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nicaraguan general, brother to President Daniel. Article needs work but we can expect substantial obits to make it easier. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose vast swaths of the article are uncited. Scuba 16:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose majority of the information on the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I’ve now addressed or removed all unsourced material. Innisfree987 (talk) 06:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dikembe Mutombo

Article: Dikembe Mutombo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Article looks in shape. Death of a legend. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is in good shape. Scuba 16:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article seems in a good shape. It is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station closure

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Article: Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom, Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station, closes after 142 years of country's fossil fuel usage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom, Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station, closes 142 years since the first use of coal power there during the Industrial Revolution.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ratcliffe-on-Soar (pictured), the last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom, closes.
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Although national level, this looks like a certain milestone with the background of Industrial Revolution that will probably be mentioned in the textbooks on clean energy and history. Brandmeistertalk 13:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added altblurb1 as per suggestion by UndercoverClassicist, as not to imply the UK has moved away from fossil fuels. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose sadly this is the type of article and story that falls between the gap of ITN and DYK. The news is interesting but on the significance of news, very minor (if this meant the UK was fully on nuclear and renewables, that might be different), and the article is not appropriate for DYK due to age and small update size. I'd love to find a solution for these interesting news blips with good quality articles to be featured, and maybe that is ITN but we'd need to tighten down how these are selected as well. Masem (t) 15:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose belongs in a did you know blurb, not ITN. Scuba 15:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose I believe that this is an interesting development and important enough to be on ITN, but the part of the article covering the actual closure of the plant is too short. It should be expanded or made into another article entirely. Hungry403 (talk) 02:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Coal production by country
  • It was Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government that broke the power of the coal miners and pushed for alternatives. I did some work on the government's systems at that time and was impressed at seeing the Payable Order for the regular subsidy for the National Coal Board as it was about £600M. You see deep coal mining was uneconomic then and it's even more so now. Open cast mining is much cheaper and great quantities of it are shovelled up in Australia to be burnt in China's power stations. UK coal production peaked at about 300 million tons a year but that was a hundred years ago. China now consumes over ten times that. It's their coal usage that matters most. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Kind of puts things in perspective, alas? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Park Ji-ah

Article: Park Ji-ah (actress, born 1972) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Korea Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

South Korean actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:A4F3:9501:BEE:C932 (talk) 08:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article consists of a single sentence about her divorce, and an uncited filmography. needs major work to be in good enough shape. Scuba 17:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Typhoon Krathon

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Closing per WP:SNOW. I think we all know where this is going. For the third time, tropical storm-related articles should be nominated after the damages caused by the storm becomes clear. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Typhoon Krathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon (pictured) leaves at least 1 people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon (pictured) leaves at least one people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan.
News source(s): [9] [10] [11]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Category 4-equivalent typhoon, Very strong typhoon on JMA. TyphoonAmpil [citation needed] 04:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait or close. This nomination suffers from many of the same issues as the first nomination of Hurricane Helene for ITN. Currently, no significant impacts have been caused by Krathon. Though this may change should its forecasted landfall on Taiwan verify, it is inappropriate to nominate this to ITN before the fact. ArkHyena (talk) 04:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for more significant impacts, as per the Hurricane Helene nomination. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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September 29

September 29, 2024 (2024-09-29) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(posted) RD: Rohan de Saram

Article: Rohan de Saram (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Influential cellist from Sri Lanka, trained in Italy, England and by Pablo Casals, who worked for decades with the major composers of contemporary classical music at his time, as the cellist of the Arditti Quartet and in other formations. I'm not where I want to be with the article but will be away for a day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is good enough to be posted, however, it would be better if the life and career section is broken down into different sections. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did that, and added another ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Stoika Milanova

Article: Stoika Milanova (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Bulgarian violinist who made an international career after winning some important competitions, playing at the Proms and in Japan, and teaching for years in Venezuela and then Bulgaria. Her father was a violin teacher, her sister a pianist, and her daughter another violinist. Much of the article was there because of the competitions and the Proms. More reviews would be nice. I need to turn to a cellist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in a good enough shape to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard S. Hamilton

Article: Richard S. Hamilton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

One of the most influential geometers of the last 50 years passed away Sep. 29. It was reported on blogs at the time and today has been confirmed by his department. Gumshoe2 (talk) 21:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ozzie Virgil Sr.

Article: Ozzie Virgil Sr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

First Domincan-born player in Major League Baseball. —Bagumba (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Nepal floods

Article: 2024 Nepal floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding in Nepal leaves at least 193 people dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flooding in Nepal leaves at least 193 people dead, including 37 in the nation's capital, Kathmandu
News source(s): Economic Times, Reuters, NPR
Credits:

Article updated

Flooding caused by the heaviest rainfall in the country's recent history, with a death toll that's likely to rise. ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Austrian legislative election

Article: 2024 Austrian legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The far-right Freedom Party of Austria wins a plurality of votes in the 2024 Austrian legislative election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Freedom Party of Austria wins a plurality in the 2024 Austrian legislative election.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: National election per ITN/R; preliminary results announced. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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