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Hello, I'm Jannatulbaqi. I have removed your contribution (awards section) on the ANI article. I don't think it is needed there. Because it was given to ANI founder Prem Prakash and not to ANI. Thanks Jannatulbaqi (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think I’ve removed any content from that article. No. Would you please provide the diff?

OTOH, you have removed the content I added just now [1]. The person was an employee (and founder) of ANI and he got an award for his contribution to journalism. I don’t think that content should be removed. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did the person win the award, or the organization? - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Edit conflict] The person. But it’s the right place for that content. Please see Agence France-Presse#Prizes and awards --Dustfreeworld (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adolphus79, re your recent edit, I think it obviously doesn’t align with WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, and probably has an issue with WP:NOBLANK as well. WRT the concern you expressed in your edit summary, we are not talking about Article for creation or Article for deletion ... As long as the person was mentioned in news/ media (I.E.. reliable source), then the person is not a journalist of nobody and can be included. That edit of yours is removing cited text.

Aside, it's ... interesting that you aren't restoring the other edit of mine, which is also cited and relevant to to article, but choosed to remove more content instead. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 21:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In case you think the source isn’t good enough, why not help FIXIngTHEPROBLEM by finding a better source? E.g., https://freepresskashmir.news/2017/09/23/journalismisnotacrime-list-of-journalists-killed-in-kashmir-proves-otherwise/amp/ from Free Press Kashmir? --Dustfreeworld (talk) 21:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong again, for a person to be notable, they need to have more than just their name mentioned once in an article about someone else. Please read WP:NBASIC. If we allowed anyone who has had their name mentioned in the news, then almost anyone would be "notable", myself included. On top of that, you are wrong about the person in question being a journalist, as the article you cited claimed they were only a photographer. Also, it is not my responsibility to find a better source, the WP:ONUS is on the person adding the content. - Adolphus79 (talk) 23:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are citing WP:NBASIC, which is a section of WP:Notability (people), but have you read the very first part of it?

On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article.

It’s the first time I heard that whenever we mention a name in our article we need to check the notability guideline, which is a very innovative interpretation of the guideline I would say.

As to whether the person was a journalist, you may want to read this. OTOH, even *if* we really don’t think he’s a journalist, the issue can easily be fixed by changing the section heading from == Notable journalists == into == Notable employees ==, in accordance with WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM.

P.S. As the content *is* appropriate for inclusion, I don’t think ONUS applies here. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 00:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to explain why you think he is notable enough, other than "he died and was mentioned in an article about someone else". - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also starting to grow weary of your WP:WIKILAWYERING, especially when you keep throwing WP shortcuts at me that you obviously have not fully read (I.E. WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, not being related at all to non-notable additions, WP:NOBLANK for reverting a non-notable addition, and your attempts the last time we spoke (which you have conveniently removed from this talk page)), I feel it is starting to verge on WP:DISRUPTIVE. - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for the concern you expressed in your edit summary, please see

Agence France-Presse#Prizes and awards

--Dustfreeworld (talk) 19:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jannatulbaqi, please kindly note that according to our talk page guidelines, if you edit your post after it’s being posted and after someone has already replied to it, it is best to indicate any changes you’ve made (with underline or striking out for example) and sign your post again with the latest time stamp.

As for your concern that “I don't think it is needed there. Because it was given to ANI founder Prem Prakash and not to ANI.”, as I’ve said above, the AFP page also have a similar section, in which the awards were given to people but not the organisation. I would appreciate if you can self-revert. Thanks and regards, --Dustfreeworld (talk) 20:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::In case you think the source isn’t good enough, why not help FIXIngTHEPROBLEM by finding a better source? E.g., https://freepresskashmir.news/2017/09/23/journalismisnotacrime-list-of-journalists-killed-in-kashmir-proves-otherwise/amp/ from [[Free Press Kashmir]]? --[[User:Dustfreeworld|<span style="color: navy">'''Dustfreeworld'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Dustfreeworld|talk]]) 21:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
 :::::Wrong again, for a person to be notable, they need to have more than just their name mentioned once in an article ''about someone else''. Please read [[WP:NBASIC]]. If we allowed anyone who has had their name mentioned in the news, then almost anyone would be "notable", myself included. On top of that, you are wrong about the person in question being a journalist, as the article you cited claimed they were only a photographer. Also, it is not my responsibility to find a better source, the [[WP:ONUS]] is on the person adding the content. - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 23:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
+::::::You are citing WP:NBASIC, which is a section of [[WP:Notability (people)]], but have you read the very first part of it?
+::::::{{xt|On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article.}}
+::::::It’s the first time I heard that whenever we mention a name in our article we need to check the notability guideline, which is a very innovative interpretation of the guideline I would say.
+::::::As to whether the person was a journalist, you may want to read [https://nytlicensing.com/latest/marketing/what-is-photojournalism/ this]. OTOH, even *if* we really don’t think he’s a journalist, the issue can easily be fixed by changing the section heading from == Notable journalists == into == Notable employees ==, in accordance with WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM.
+::::::P.S. As the content *is* appropriate for inclusion, I don’t think ONUS applies here. --[[User:Dustfreeworld|<span style="color: navy">'''Dustfreeworld'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Dustfreeworld|talk]]) 00:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
 :::::Feel free to explain why you think he is notable enough, other than "he died and was mentioned in an article about someone else". - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 00:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
 :::::I am also starting to grow weary of your [[WP:WIKILAWYERING]], especially when you keep throwing WP shortcuts at me that you obviously have not fully read (I.E. WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, not being related at all to non-notable additions, WP:NOBLANK for reverting a non-notable addition, and your attempts the last time we spoke (which you have conveniently removed from this talk page)), I feel it is starting to verge on [[WP:DISRUPTIVE]]. - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 00:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)