Talk:Steam (service)

New version

First off, thanks to EagleOne for copying the page over. I'm going to go through and remove all the unsourced claims, since they should not be in there. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Criticism of Steam

Just make a seperate article called Criticism of Steam, it is taking up half the article right now.--Zorgness (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Also here are some articles that are not used but criticise Steam;

• describes many issues with Steam
• see bottom of article
• read from Case Study: Half-Life 2
• Steam phishing article, 3 pages worth
• steam servers down breaking hl2 games
• "Steam was effectively broken at release"
• prolonged download times/frustration
• steam support on account security

All good sources.--Zorgness (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Most of those are specifically regarding HL2's launch. There's already an article on that which should be linked to if we want to add that kind of thing. The Indiecare page does have some new stuff, but how uncommon are those kinds of clauses relating to service availability and so forth? It isn't NPOV to talk about them of themselves if every other service like Steam takes a similar stance. --Tom Edwards (talk) 16:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd also remind everyone of WP:UNDUE with regards to criticism. Wikipedia is not a forum to list all the shortcomings of Steam. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 16:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Turns out that the HL2 controversy article has been merged back into the HL2 article itself, and there's no mention of the release day network problems. Before this article was re-written it had a small section on the problems, but that has been removed too...--Tom Edwards (talk) 16:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Some of those sources can be used in the history section, similar to Half_life_2#Steam_content_delivery_system.--Zorgness (talk) 16:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

That's certainly how the article was before. --Tom Edwards (talk) 16:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Please don't just copy text over from the Half-Life 2 page. We worked too long and too hard on this page for its integrity to bec compromised now. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Extra addition to HL2 section?

Can someone else please chime in on this? Zorgness and I have been going back and forth about adding another paragraph to the HL2 release section. I removed it because it's directly copied from here], and because it's adding undue weight to criticisms. Eagle, Tom - do you guys have any opinion on this? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 16:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gabe email

I think that the following should be deleted:

On the issue of system failure, Gabe Newell, the head of Valve, has said:

“ If you right click on a game in Steam, you'll see that you can back up the files yourself. Unless there was some situation I don't understand, we would presumably disable authentication before any event that would preclude the authentication servers from being available. ”

A forum post by a standard user is not a reliable source, there is nothing stopping me from making up an email and claiming Gabe Newell sent me it. Also forum threads eventually get deleted. link to thread.--Zorgness (talk) 17:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that's true enough. In lieu of the forum post, can we find a more reliable source on this subject? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 17:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Now deleted from section Steam_(content_delivery)#System_failure. There may be an interview with Gabe which answers a similar question, but that quote isn't ever going to be reliable.--Zorgness (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)