Talk:Baritone

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Removal of sources

Whoever removed the footnote citations for this article broke all the rules for how wiki is edited. Removing sources destroys the potential accuracy and chance for an article to become FA status. --I'll bring the food 14:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

archive

I have archived the talk page and put up the rewritten article that I've been working on since...hrm, January. A little less than six months later, here's the new version. Editing and expansion aside, the article's now pretty solid and totally lacking in arbitrary singer lists.  RasputinAXP  c 06:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the upper range may be inaccurate on some of these vocal range pages; basso says that range generally rises to the E above middle C (although the image shows a D), bass-baritone to the F#, and baritone only to the F? Keppa 20:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It's entirely possible; different sources give different ranges. The range on this article is from Grove's. I'll probably look it up later and see what they say about the other voice ranges.  RasputinAXP  c 01:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I corrected the range given in Basso and removed it from Bass-baritone as Grove's doesn't cite a proscribed range for the bass-baritone.  RasputinAXP  c 20:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Baritone Roles in Operettas and Musicals

I re-added this section. I'm not sure why it was removed; it's present on all the other vocal range pages, and I find it interesting. If it's too long, trim it, or make a seperate list. Keppa 02:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Now that I look closely, some roles are found on multiple pages. Maybe these lists should all be consolidated onto one page? Keppa 03:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I killed the list because it's largely unmaintainable and a target for adding your favorite role, whether it really is baritone or not. I'll create a list of roles and link to it like I did to the "famous baritones."  RasputinAXP  c 18:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

notability of Armando Gabba, baritone singer?

A user has been edit-warring for deleting this entry:

• Armando Gabba, a baritone opera singer who performed in 1984 with Renato Bruson, Edita Gruberová, Brigitte Fassbaender, and Neil Shicoff in Rigoletto, and is still active

from the disambiguation page Gabba, arguing that he's not notable enough to ever have a Wikipedia article, and thus to be listed as a redlink on a dab page. You can provide opinion and information (positive or negative) about it at the discussion page Talk:Gabba so as to help sort it out.

Thanks,

-- 62.147.112.36 14:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

As I stated there, I have no problem with Gabba's notability, but the entry you show above is WAY too long for a dab article. It belongs in a separate article. Dab articles are for DISAMBIGUATION; they are not omnibuses. \ Fnarf999 \ talk \ contribs \ 19:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Classification

Isn't Rigoletto a verdian-baritone? He reaches as high as A-flat at the end of the opera (at least many singers do so), but never goes deaper than A below low C, so why is he not included in the Verdi-baritone category but instead in the dramatic category?

Now, since when Raimondi is a bel-canto baritone? He sang perhaps Mozart's Figaro but I don't think he did Rossini's. He is at least a bass-baritone if not a real bass.

I have changed the pitches numbers in this section because both the A and the B below low C (which is C3 and middle C is C4) said A3 and B3 respectively and should've said A2 and B2, that's why I changed them. Regards

Reorganizing the baritone articles

The baritone articles have been anomalous - they haven't followed the format of other voice articles.

I propose to move the section called "Baritone roles in opera" from the article List of baritone roles) to here (removing roles already covered in this article) to be called "Other baritone roles in opera". Meanwhile I propose to rename List of baritone roles as "List of baritone roles in musicals", in line with other similar lists.

After moving the list I suggest we then cull those roles which are not useful as examples.

Here is the list (with duplicates removed)

[List now moved to article page]

--Kleinzach (talk) 08:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

212.22.3.17 vandalism?

This IP keeps inserting the name Sir Desmond Hayes-Lynge (apparently a resident of King's Lynn in England) in the list of Austrian/German lieder singers? Why? -- Kleinzach (talk) 14:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Non Opera Uses section

should include examples of uses of a baritone voice that is not typical of the music style it is in. Obviously examples of barbershop and bluegrass are too many, but there are some rock uses:

• Joy Division, and it's modern clone Interpol.. post punk / prog rock
• Beat Happening

Nnnudibranch (talk) 20:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The article is very weak on English singers or English language singers, and on the English classical repertoire for baritones which is non-operatic, e.g. singers such as Harry Plunket Greene, Frederic Austin, in repertoire such as lieder, Sea Drift (Delius) and the oratorio and cantata in general (those are just examples, but there is a whole genre lacking from the article). It is as if the article were written by someone who is mainly interested in opera. Dr Steven Plunkett (talk) 18:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)