User talk:Bluegoblin7

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Flexity Swift diagram

Sure you can use it! Good luck with your website and thank you for joining WikiProject London Transport. Unisouth 18:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes you can use the other diagrams to. If you would like me to make any specific diagram for you, I could. Unisouth 18:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes I can do trains, trams and buses! Unisouth 05:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Trams idea

It looks like quite a good idea. Maybbe you would want to inform people on other projects such as WP:LT, WP:RAIL, WP:TIS and any other projects that might be applicable, and direct them to the proposal. It may also be a good idea if you start a trams user page. It should gather support , hopefully, and then you can move it into the main WP area. Simply south 20:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, i suppose i rushed that a bit. I was just saying that your idea for UK trams as a WikiProject looked good so i have shown i am at least interested. Above are other similar projects where people may be interested. Simply south 13:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

And probably Wikipedia:WikiProject Rapid transit

Sure, just add my name and also all the people from the proposals page. Simply south 16:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It would be good if the project had a banner and some form of standard layout. The banner is key to informing people of the project and performs other roles. Simply south 17:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thats them e.g. {{WPTIS}} or {{WPSurrey}}. Simply south 17:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, i will help with basic parts of the project. First with thte banner. Simply south 17:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It might also be good to inform people that the project has now gone live. Simply south 17:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

And here is a useful link which is woth reading, as well as associated pages Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide. Simply south 18:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I would be happy to help...

I will help, but I can't create an assessment template for the project until the project has an official page. Once the project does, tell me and I'll begin to work on it. I can create the userbox now, at User:Bluegoblin7/UK_Tram_box, if you wish. If you have any preference on color or picture please tell me. Psychless 18:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Your userbox has been created :). You might consider choosing a different image since I can barely make out what the picture is. And yes, it is very easy to change the colors. If you want a different color, a different shade or blue, et cetera, just let me know. Svg format images work great for userboxes. If you're ready for me to start on the talk page banner or the portal let me know. You might want to browse around some featured portals to see what kind of design you would like, I will be doing that as well. Here's a convenient link to the userbox. Regards, Psychless 02:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I will start work on the project banner template today, but it's going to take me a little while to get the entire assessment system set up. The portal is going to have to wait until you have a clear idea of which articles and categories are under your scope, which ones have high quality or importance, etc. I'll help you with your user page once the project gets going. But are you sure you want the border darker? I think it would look darker just to increase the thickness of the border. I guess I could do your signature, just tell me what font/colors to use and what you want it to look like. Psychless 18:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it definitely needs a better image. Anyways, here's the code for your signature:

<font face="Verdana">[[User:Bluegoblin7|<font color="blue">Bluegoblin</font>]][[User_talk:Bluegoblin7|<font color="gray">7</font>]]</font>

It will look like this: Bluegoblin7. If you want it to stand out a bit more you could use bold letters: Bluegoblin7. Now I'll actually start to work on the assessment template... Regards, Psychless 16:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't realize that someone had already added a parameter to {{TrainsWikiProject}} for this project. There is nothing wrong with using one banner instead of two and I wouldn't have created the banner had I known this. I'm not going to set up the assessment system quite yet, since there seem to be some issues that need resolving. Also, please remove the fake wikibreak notice. You may be annoyed by the other editors, but I can clearly see that they have the best intentions of the project in mind. Lying doesn't help anyone, and it makes you appear untrustworthy. Wikipedia works best when editors do not have to worry about whether their fellow editors are lying or not. Psychless 18:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

A bit harsh to use the word "lying". I wish you would rethink that. (I must take my own wikibreak notice down if I come here much more today!). We all run into difficult times, so let's do the usual here Fiddle Faddle 18:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

no no, i dont mind. it was what i was doing. and i suppose it was my own fault. i should have just gone along with it. anyway, im back now. so no harm done, and also, is anyone ever going to agree with me if i lie? Bluegoblin7 18:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

An extra resource for you

Where WP does not allow things because it is an encyclopaedia, at Train Spotting World we include trams and tramways, and allow much less rigorously policed articles, and inckude opinion, spotting reports, etc. If this is a useful extra resource for your Trams WikiProject we'll be very happy to see you and your members there. We've already helped WikiProject Thomas out, for example. Fiddle Faddle 09:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for this. I will probably put some information on there, however i do have my own collection of sites, the Transport Centre, which so far includes trams, trains, buses and London Transport. (www.transportcentre.co.uk). This site is still under construction though. Thanks again for the offer, and are you going to join the project? Bluegoblin7 09:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I have no specialist knowledge of Trams I fear, just a general interest in railways in the widest sense. I would be a spectator, not a contributor. Fiddle Faddle 09:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok don't worry - but perhaps you could help add templates etc to pages, both the ones on the templates page, and then the (still to be made) ones for stock, systems, stops etc. Bluegoblin7 09:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to have a go, but my skills are those of the "copy and have a crack at it" variety, too. For a proper, professional template you need a good bloke who can do it easily rather than a have a go hero. The first time I wanted to create a template I asked for help. I forget how, but there is a formal way of asking for templates to be created by template experts. You may find a clue somewhere in my talk page archives. Fiddle Faddle 09:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks very much! I don't mind if it's just helping to tag pages, or actually full-on making a template - whatever is easier for you! Bluegoblin7 09:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Your "leave a message" banner

This goes to an entirely different user's talk page, I fear. Unless you and they are the same person, of course. Fiddle Faddle 09:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes! Woops! I originally 'borrowed' the banner from that User, as my skills at making things, are, quite frankly, rubbish. Everything else that you see is either copied and then edited, or made by someone else. I ahve now, i think, changed this! Sorry! Bluegoblin7 09:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

All the best things are copied. No worries. Just wanted to make sure they knew why I'd left a weird message there, and you knew too. Fiddle Faddle 09:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I, too, have left an apology there aswell, to explain why! Bluegoblin7 09:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Leaving

It is a shame you have decided to possibly leave. It would have been nice to work with you. You were off to a good start and just needed to keep working at it. I hope you return. Simply south 17:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. We all run into wikipolitics at some point. Would that it were not so, but it is. We just need to realise that not everyone shares our views, and to allow that other people may sometimes be right and we might be wrong, or, and this is more of a challenge, that we may be right, but their opinion carries the day.

Leaving is everyon'es right, of course it is, but it is much more fun not to go. Fiddle Faddle 18:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I've left you a reply on my own talk page. Fiddle Faddle 18:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! Simply south 20:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

An olive branch...?

I think we may have started off on the wrong foot, so to speak...

I hope that my 'advice' was not the reason for your departure from WP, although I suspect it may have been a contributory factor. It is nigh on impossible to convey emotion accurately through a text-only page, so you can't tell that I am utterly not-angry at present, for example!

If any of my comments have been personally hurtful to you, then I apologise. They were made with the intention of helping you and the project, and if negative, then I believe justifiably so. (For example, the business about the stub template: I went through this earlier this year with the new UK Waterways project, so I knew exactly what I was talking about, and what I expected has indeed happened. I have since left comments in support of the stub template on the appropriate discussion pages.)

You mentioned me 'stalking' you. Obviously that is not true. I have the various project pages on my watchlist and so can follow each discussion. I checked your contributions page (which is open to anyone to view) to try to gauge what level of experience you had with WP, so I knew where you were coming from. For example, I would have expected you to know much more about expected procedures if you had been editing here for years rather than months. However, I have seen that you have been contributing for less time and to a narrower range of articles than I, and hence I can tailor my level of 'advice' to suit.

Finally, a friendly word of advice. You are obviously very passionate about the subject, and this comes across in your talk page messages. However, sometimes this passion may lead you to writing things which are, perhaps, less friendly towards others than you intend. I don't really know what to suggest, except perhaps waiting a while to reflect before responding (I mulled-over what I wanted to write here for 2-3 hours!). I'm no expert, but I have a gut-feeling that this might reduce the level of apparent conflict/negativity that you are experiencing with the project.

It's good you've decided to return: a project needs at least one really committed individual to drive it forward. Hopefully you'll soon find the other committed individuals who can assist with the collaboration that you need.

EdJogg 13:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I did over-react a bit to what you said: It is simply that I am passionate about trams, and get a bit over-protective when people do or say things I don't like.

Yes, you did contribute a little bit, but it was many people all together. I do in fact think that your suggestion about the stubs is a very good one, but I am still going to list suitable stub types.

I also hope that I have not put you off helping WP:UK Trams, and that you continue to help the project. Can you help with anything on the to-do list, for example?

I have copied this to your talk page.

Bluegoblin7 09:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Re.Can you help?

Hi. Thanks for contacting me. If you can tell me exactly what you need, I'll try and help as much as I can. Regards Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 16:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have just looked at the user talk template at Template:UKTrams. This template already has space for asessment rating and importance rating. For example typing {{UKTrams|class=b|importance=mid}} will give you:

I will try and find a better image for the template and I will start work on the portal as soon as I can. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 16:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I will see what I can do. The portal will take some time but I will try to complete is as soon as I can. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 16:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have created a basic outline of the portal at Portal:UK Trams. If you have any preference of colour with the boxes, background and border this can easily be changed. I have tried to stick to colours similar to the userbox but it can be changed if necessary. I am still working on the content. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Theres still a few bits and pieces I need to get done. Ill let you fill in the contents, once im done with it. Also, if you can tell me which sections you don't need I can delete them for you. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I can tell you that most portals do have the Wikimedia section. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the selected biography section and the portal is ready for filling in now, if you're happy with it. To fill in the contents, you should click the red links under each box. A sub page will then open and you can fill it in just like a normal article. The category:portals under construction should be left there until teh portal contents have all been filled in. Once you have completed the portal contents I will try to help in getting it finished and listing it as a new portal. Please feel free to contact me if you have any problems, need help with anything or want to make any adjustments. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The news section is usually used for news related to the project. You can edit the section by clicking the red link and typing in content in the subpage which appears. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• You can put related portals on however you like. There is no real set standard.
• The wikimedia section is for links to areas on the same topic in other wikimedia projects. A list of which can be found [1].
• For the selected article, I normally copy and paste the first paragraph in.
• For the selected image, I put the image in and provide an explanation. You should set the picture to about 200px. You can do that by typing File:Name of image.
• In the categories, you would insert links to categories related to the project.
• In topics, you can insert links to articles most closely associated with the project. I wont be online until tomorrow now so if you leave any messages on my talk page I will reply tomorrow. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I managed to get back earlier than expected so I can help out with anything. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Its looking good. I've made some adjustments there for you. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You can insert images by placing File:Name of image at the top of the article.Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks really good. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It is always possible to change the images. Im not sure which banners you're talking about. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh right. Ye, sure I'll do that for you. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have created the banner. Typing {{Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Trams/selected article template|22 August and 22 September}} will produce:

Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 21:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have made some finishing touches and added links to the portal in various places and listed it at Wikipedia:Portal/Directory, Wikipedia:Community Portal, Portal:List of portals and at Portal:Transport. I have also placed the banner I created in the list of templates for WP:UKT. Can I also ask if you would like WP:UK Trams to be a descendant project of Wikipedia:WikiProject Transport as it is in the right scope. Parent projects are often a benefit to project as they can offer assistance with the descendant project. Parent projects do not dictate descendant projects in any way, as this is egainst wikipedia policy, but work with them as a community. If you would like help on anything else related to the project please feel free to contact me.Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 21:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have brushed up the portal. Regarding the navigation system, do you mean a navigation system for the portal or the whole wikiproject. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 13:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC) Ok, but you don't need 5 pages. It takes up valuable hardware. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, from what I understand you want 5 different facts and you want a weekly rotation. As far as im aware, you can only do this manually. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I can understand but you don't need 5 pages to do that. You just need to save them onto your computer or a single page on Wikipedia and copy that into the portal each week. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

However way you do it, you only need 1 page to display something on the portal. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Im sorry but I really can't understand what you want to do. Why do you need 3 pages. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

You can get 3 facts on one page in the same week, just like you can write 3 facts on a piece of paper in the same week. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by 3 different facts all available at the same time, within one week. Don;t you mean 3 facts on one page in one week and 3 different facts on a page the next week and so forth. If so, this only requires one page. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I get it now. But why not just put them on one page. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 22:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ive made the navigation system and the portal looks pretty much complete now. Also some users have expressed concern that there is a Did you know? section and a fascinating facts section on the portal. It is advisable that they are merged as they are essentially the same thing. Is there anything else I can do for you? Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 22:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Your project doesn't have an asessment page. There is a general Wikipedia one. The portal also looks fine now. Where exactly does it need cleaning up. Im looking into everything else. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I have added Wikiproject Transport as a parent project of Wikiproject UK Trams and I could add Wikiproject Engineering as a related project if you wish. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, can I ask if youve uploaded the logo for the Project yet. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 21:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I'll deal with everything as soon as I get my archives sorted out. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I have placed the new image on the {{UKTrams}} banner. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It is relatively easy to change images. You simply swap the image name for the current one. However do make sure that you dont change the size setting or where the image is on the template unless it is your intention to. Also if there is more than one image, ensure that you are changing the right one. Yes, you can change the image and wording for different types of tram or however you categorise it but this would require a number of templates. I could do this for you if you can upload the relevant images. When uploading images, it is a good idea to ensure that you are not violating copyright laws. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I dont think so but if you do violate copyright laws, you will normally be notified. Have a read of Wikipedia:Copyright for more information. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 18:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I will do those as soon as I can and I will sign up to the project. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I have created the following templates, Template:UKTrams modern and Template:UKTrams Blackpool. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, we could have our own version of an assessment page. I'd be happy to help if you could start creating one. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I have created Template:UKTrams preserved. I can't find the images for proposed and historical. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I have now created all the banners and have checked any links on them. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at Template:Class parameter. It should explain how to add parameters. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I will work on the assessment pages soon. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 13:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It is certainly starting to come together. However more participants would be useful. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I have completed the categories for the assessment section. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 21:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The catgories should be workingif you add the relevant pages to the relevant categories. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a bot which does categories. All categories are done manually as far as Im aware. In the case of ratings, I think there are parameters in the template which add the relevant categoris in automatically. Thanks 17:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbo 157 (talk • contribs)

Sorry, I don't think I explained it very well before. What I meant is that for the stub, A-class etc , there is a parameter in the template which automatically adds the article to the relevant category when the class is updated. The WP 1.0 bot doesn't update categories. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot contains instructions for using the bot and is quite useful. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I should also mention that you need to add the categories first as this is how the bot detects articles, portals etc. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I have added the portal class category to Portal talk:UK Trams so the bot should update this soon. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 17:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. generally you only put list etc, if the article doesn't need to be rated. The bot doesn't update statuses for the number of lists etc but the lists, portals etc should go in the right category. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bluegoblin. The WP 1.0 bot should update everything in time. Bots can take time. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thats right, the bot don't update categories but it uses categories to locate articles and update the table. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Categories are updated manually as far as im aware. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

When categories are manually added to pages, the WP 1.0 bot detects it and updates the table accordingly. Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 19:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

If you tell me which pages you are referring to, Ill have a look at them for you. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 20:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Lists aren't shown on the table and categories need to be added manually. So no bots are involved in this process. 20:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbo 157 (talk • contribs)

Help?

Hello. Do you need any help? Please note that the {{helpme}} template is meant to go on your talk page, instead of your userpage. Cheers! henrik•talk 19:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Helpme tag

Hi there - you had the helpme tag on your userpage but didn't have a question that I could identify, so I've removed the tag. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you do have a question or an issue you would like help with, or perhaps leave a message at the Help desk. Giles Bennett ^{(Talk, Contribs)} 19:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Helpme

Yes, I was wondering if anyone could help me with infoboxes, diagrams, templates and portals for WP:UK Trams. Bluegoblin7 19:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

A pretty broad question - could you be more specific about what it is you have at the moment, and what you're looking to acheive? Giles Bennett ^{(Talk, Contribs)} 19:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

So far, there is a very skeleton portal, which I wish to pad out a bit, and also create templates to say former selected article/picture etc. I also wish to incorporate route diagrams into info boxes, but i dn't no how to make info boxes, or put route diagrams in them, but I can make route diagrams. Bluegoblin7 19:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

What's worked for me is a "try it and see" approach, by taking something that looks similar to what you want to end up with, then changing it to make it look the way you want. For example, I've created Template:Ezio for my favourite band (plug), but used another band's template box as a starting point.

Also, make full use of your sandbox - User:Gilesbennett/Sandbox as an example - to try things out and make sure they're right before migrating them over to the namespace.

Remember - be bold! Giles Bennett ^{(Talk, Contribs)} 19:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've used my sandbox quite a bit, as can be seen on my user page. The problem is, though, is that I can't find an infobox with a route-map inside it. Thanks, Bluegoblin7 19:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, a bit beyond me. Leave the helpme tag in place and someone wiser than I will doubtless be along in a bit! Giles Bennett ^{(Talk, Contribs)} 19:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You may accuse me of being negative again, but it may not be possible to achieve what you are asking. The route maps, which are a relatively recent development, comprise a series of templates, each forming a row of a table. To put this inside an infobox requires a table to be 'nested' inside another table, and I don't know that the mediawiki software can handle that. Besides, the route-maps are often wider than an average infobox: allowing the map to exist separately means it can expand as required to display the route in the best possible manner. I suggest you try copying an infobox which has the features you like, modifying it, and then applying it to real pages. This will show you whether it will 'work' or not. I would also concentrate on one at a time, since it is difficult to debug multiple templates effectively at the same time.

EdJogg 23:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

As long as you do not mix HTML and pipe syntax in the same table, then mediawiki is able to interpret nested tables ok (0.9 probability). Mix he syntax and there is a probability of weird and wonderful errors. This is a known feature of mediawiki. Fiddle Faddle 21:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Your last comment

I'll be setting up the system sometime in the next few days. Unfortunately I'm too busy with other things to do it now. Psychless 23:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Helpme

{{helpme}}

Hello, I noticed you had a helpme tag up but I couldn't find a question. If you still need help, you can put the tag back up like this: {{helpme|YOUR QUESTION HERE}}, or leave me a message on my talk page. Happy editing! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

Hello, I noticed that you were looking for someone to adopt you and I would be willing to adopt you. I have over 10k edits and am experienced throughout Wikipedia. Leave me a message if you're interested. Thanks! --_{Hdt83 Chat} 07:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

If you think your List of UK tram systems is really so important, why did you vandalise it here and here? -- RHaworth 20:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Transport

I have asked on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Trams whether Wikiproject UK Trams could be a child project of WIkiproject Transport. You're input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbo 157 (talk • contribs) 11:53, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Links to images

Hi. Just a quick note that when you want links to images without making the actual immage appear, you need to insert a colon before the text. For example, [[:Image:OldTram 700.jpg|Leeds 399 at Crich Tramway Museum]] would produce Leeds 399 at Crich Tramway Museum. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 12:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Adoption

Hello, welcome to the adoption program! I have adopted you. Whether you want to learn about wiki markup, find something to do, or just talk to somebody, you can always talk to me - just leave a message on my talk page. Good luck and happy editing! --_{Hdt83 Chat} 23:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Shortcut

See WT:Rail for new suggestiion. Simply south 10:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

What was simple is not

I tried! I implemented {{todo}}.

But, if you look at the project, it seems I failed. Now, instead of reverting this lot, I have asked on my own talk page for a friendly giant to come and help. I fear I do not understand how WP links between portals, wikiprojects and reality.

Once someone who knows what they are doing can help it will look beautiful and be useful to all project members. Right now it is a mess.

I suggest we wait it out for a while and see what help arrives. Fiddle Faddle 16:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot anyway. What might have confused you a bit is, to save time, I created one page, the page you edited on, and then used Template:These things to put it on the portal and the project page. Maybe I should have made that clearer? anyway - a bit of expertise is what we need ey? they might bring even more to the project! Bluegoblin7 16:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

copied to your talk page

A passing expert has solved it. Now you have, I hope, a good "To Do" list. It's a small contribution and it seems I failed to make it 100%, but a contribution is it! Fiddle Faddle 17:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Helpme

{{help-me}}

This problem was related to the one above, becuase it was caused by the relative references. The edit link wasn't going to the right page, but I've fixed it now.--Werdan7^{T @} 19:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Stub type syntax

Please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types and Wikipedia:Stub. A stub template does not feature the related wiki project in its statement. The correct statement for {{Template:UK-tram-stub‎}} is This UK Tram-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. Regards, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox tram

A tag has been placed on Template:Infobox tram, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Infobox UK Tram

Hello, I noticed that this was up for deletion. I have a quick question, what is this infobox primarily going to be used for? Is it used in article pages like the Infobox countries in United_Kingdom or is it just a infobox(navigation box on side) for the main project page like in the Trains Wikiproject? --Hdt83 ^Chat 22:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Derbyshire

Well thats two. Seems to the next person will be the first to join this new group as we are now plural ... Victuallers 12:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Help!

I'm working on a portal for WikiProject Derbyshire (currently at User:Bluegoblin7/WP:Derbyshire), and wanted the portal to have the same look and feel of Portal:UK Trams, but with the Derbyshire colours, as in the userbox, Wikipedia:WikiProject Derbyshire/Userbox. Can anyone help me sort this out? The portal is at Portal:Derbyshire. Thanks! Bluegoblin7 18:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC) Also, I am still padding it out, but please just add like test or something to the current redlinks!

Further to the above, something strange has happened to the navbox on the main page and portal. Can you also help me in making the main page look great? i'm a bit stuck as to what to do next... Bluegoblin7 19:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

This will get a bit complicated but I think we will solve this step by step. I have created Portal:catholicism First, look at Portal:UK Trams, press edit and at the end of the page you will see the "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page". You have to create similar templates for your portal.--Thw1309 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Are these colours ok? Please look here and tell me which colours you want. --Thw1309 19:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the intro. This is just an excample, taken from the article. Please feel free to change it as you like, but you should remember, that you are creating Portal:Derbyshire, not Portal:Wikiproject Derbyshire.--Thw1309 20:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I also added the section Associated Wikimedia. All portals are expected to have it.--Thw1309 20:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Bluegoblin7/List of London Buses By Start Point

Hi Bluegoblin7. I noticed that you started the article, User:Bluegoblin7/List of London Buses By Start Point in your user area and added it to the to do list on WP:LT. I did originally mention it on the talk page but I'll mention it here since it is in your user page and you started the page. I am concerned that the page may be unnecessary in the mainspace. We already have a list of bus routes by route number and that already contains the information you want in the page you created. Any such list may be deleted as a duplicate if you move it to the mainspace. If you don't plan to move the page to the mainspace then my apologies. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) (review) 17:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I just realised that the above message may have sounded a bit pointed. If it did, then my apologies. I posted the message with the intention of advising, not threatening or warning. Hope all is well. Thanks. :) Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) (review) 00:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Assessments

Minor edit? Well done! Victuallers 22:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Assessments

All the assessments. Pleased to see the Portal is going live. I blagged the news section as I suspect we don't have anyone who wants to sort thro the news to find real derbyshire news. Most portals are read once I suspect. By people who say Yes I'll join and those who say "No I 'm really looking for something else". Derbyshire is looking good. Well done. Victuallers 22:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC) Which banner? Victuallers 22:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Importance settings for two Derby-area stubs

Hmm - can't really how you can set Sunnyhill to mid importance (I'd put it low, despite the fact I grew up there :-),; no one quite knows where it is) and the CHPR as a low importance train line. Because of its earliness and its construction (which mimicked a canal in its extensive use of inclines) it is surely mid-importance to the train project. Bob aka Linuxlad 17:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, Sunnyhill is an ill-defined suburb of Derby, not a free-standing town, so reduced to low.

The CHPR is mid importance as a train article, because of its early and unusual construction ( it was 'canal-like' in its use of inclines)

On boldness, I prefer an attempt at consensus, and for that it always helps to start from understanding something of the other guys point of view. Bob aka Linuxlad 19:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

IP Address test

This is so I can find out what my I.P. Address is. Signed 86.160.59.17 16:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC) (A.K.A Bluegoblin7)

Portal:UK Trams selected article and image voting page

Hi. Just a note that I changed the formatting for nominating articles and images, at Portal:UK Trams/Nominate/Selected article and Portal:UK Trams/Nominate/Selected picture, slightly by removing the table format as a similar formatting I used on Portal:London Transport/Vote seems to have caused problems for some users. My original intention was for the table to be used as a border to the recommended format, but I later realised that it would be used as part of the actual formatting. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) (review) 19:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you know

Other news ... I though you may be interested to know that a (small) picture of a Derby School old boy will be on the wikipedia main page in the next 12 hours or so. Alleyne FitzHerbert is the lead DYK. I think I have excelled myself here ..... another Derby story soncerning Charles Paget (conspirator) and my home village of Weston on Trent is in the same bunch Victuallers 11:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

The Fabs

The Quiz

You might be interested in this --andreasegde 15:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Birthmonth dear Portal, Happy Birthmonth dear Portal. Happy Birthmonth dear Derbyshire, Happy Birthmonth to you

		The Original Barnstar
		For your great work on creating the Derbyshire portal and more importantly the people to staff it. Keep it up! Victuallers 13:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Your newsletter

Hello Bluegoblin7. I have to poke you I'm afraid. You stole my newsletter design! Shame on you! :) Rudget _{Contributions} 17:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks a lot for the Barnstar, very much appreciated. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say what a great job you in particular have done to get WP:Derbys to the stage it is at in just a month. Great work! Schumi555 16:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Award

Thanks for the award. The facinating facts are easy to do ... I guess you realise that the DYKs are all new articles. They have to be >1500 words and less than 5 days old. If you fancy a go then I could help. Anyway .. thanks again .. especially as it looks as if this is the first award. Victuallers 17:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Derbyshire Award

Thanks very much, Bluegoblin7! Xn4 17:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for supporting me in my recent RFA which unfortunately did not pass at (47/23/5). I will be sure to improve my editing skills and wait till someone nominates me next time. Have a great day(or night)! --Hdt83 ^Chat 05:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Love too. Suggest. Lesson 1. I give you a half created article. You work it up in your sandbox till its OK ish. Does that sound OK with you? Or do you have an article in mind? Victuallers 13:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Option 1 ...more

If your happy to go with my suggestion...and its OK if you're not... then have a look at your sandbox. I have loaded there some text that is so old that it is out of copyright. I think that with a few hours work, you and I can make it look like Edward Venables-Vernon-Harcourt which is just about to go on DYK. When ready you can add the new article to DYK under joint authorship. If you make sure I "show you" rather than do it, then you should be able to do one your self after that. OK? Victuallers 14:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

reply

Any type of article will do... I suggested the one I gave you only cos its "easy". If you had an some 150 year old stuff on say Mrs Brunel's Inventions ... then we could use that. With regard to the stuff on the museum ... no. Rules say you have to expand the number of characters by a factor of 5 (very tricky unless you find a stub) OR be a new article of more than 1500 characters. Where new means less than 5 days old. So OUR? plan is to work up the article in your sandbox till its ptretty damn good and then publish it. Being as it has onlt to be 1500 chars then you can delete things that are too tricky etc. I'll take a look in a bit and see how you are getting on. Remember the harcourt article is "one I made earlier" Victuallers 15:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

oh

and did you see Derby is on the main page... this time its Chevin Victuallers 15:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:UK Tramcar Stock

Template:UK Tramcar Stock has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — David Arthur 22:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Helpme:

Lol, I don't need anything. I'm just testing an IRC bot on the #wikipedia-en-help channel. Thanks for asking though. :) *Cremepuff222* 23:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

TSW

Yo, BG7! It's me, S.C.Ruffeyfan! I'd just like to know if the projects at TSW are going well. --S.C.Ruffeyfan (talk) 18:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Can you help?

Hi. Thanks for contacting me. I will try and help you over at trainspotting world, which looks like a great project. I am quite busy in real life and so Ill try and do it when I can find the time. Can I ask what specifically you need help with so that I can have a look at what I need to so? Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) 22:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tbo,

Specifically we need help giving the '"workforces" a better look, and starting up their portals,.Also, creating the rest of the banners, and start an assessment scheme.

Also, we need to get some bots on from somewhere, but i dont know where...

--Bluegoblin7 12:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Ill try and help you with all of that when I can find the time. Thanks very much. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) 23:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry this is taking a while. I will create an account there as soon as I can. Thanks for your patience. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) 18:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Maley & Taunton

Finally got around to creating a very stubby article. According to Google they were pretty fundamental to trams globally.

Bill Maley (AW) retired around 1975 and I think the company ceased trading very soon after that.

Fiddle Faddle 12:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Interested...

Sure I can help start a WikiProject there. Unisouth (talk) 15:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 19:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite

I will think about it.... Simply south (talk) 13:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Assessing Derbyshire articles

Seen you have assessed a fair few and updated the portal. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:UK light rail

I though you might be interested. I have put this up for merge with Template:Britishmetros. See Template talk:UK light rail#Merge. Simply south (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK its Christmas in Derbyshire too?

Smarmy Rex - a palindromic greeting from, Victuallers! Enjoy yourself!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes BG7, it is... CHRISTMAS!!!! OMG! Yes, Merry Xmas, my good friend, merry Xmas. --S.C.Ruffeyfan 17:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Project Derbyshire userbox

You seem to have moved the Project Derbyshire infobox template which is having a knock on effect on the project page and userpages. Have you moved it? I'll be happy to host it if you like. Dommccas 12:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes... woops! I have relocated it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Derbyshire/Userbox.

Sorry!

Bluegoblin7 13:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Coolio. Thanks for your speedy response. My userpage thanks you Dommccas 14:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject The Beatles

Your user name is on the “Inactive, or have just popped out for a cup of tea...” list on the Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles page. You can move it back to the “Participants” list if you feel this is not the case. :) --andreasegde (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

My memories wrong?

Hi,

I was born in Thornton in 1948 but have lived in South Africa for the past 25 years.

My memory may be mistaken, but I'm sure I remember the Blackpool tram system extending from Cleveleys up Victoria Road as far as Thronton's railway station. It also branched off at "Four Lane Ends" to Anchorsholme Lane (down there to Cleveleys again) and northwards past the windmill to West Drive (down there to Cleveleys yet again) and to what used to be the ICI recreation club.

Just after coming out of the railway station car park, there was also a right turn winding it's way around the back roads to link with the Fleetwood Road North line oposite the windmill.

If going south from Four Lane Ends - behind the war memorial, on the right going south - there was a tram depot. I think it was converted to a garage whilst I still lived there.

The car park behind the library at Four Lane Ends was used as a "turn around" for the trams.

I've done some searching on the Internet and, whilst I can find numerous references about the trams, I can find nothing about them ever being in Thornton.

Maybe I'm just imagining things. If so, please excuse my bothering you and leave me a message to "shut up". If I'm correct and you need me to provide anything else I think I can remember, please leave me a message and I'll provide you with my email address for easier communication.

    Regards, RacingRog (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Your userpage

I'm responding to your email here, so that we can keep track of the discussion (and because hotmail takes a few eons to load for me). Sure, I can help organize; what'd you have in mind? Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... well, i'd like sort of a fun, jazzy layout, with sections leading off to common subpages that most users have. I've removed content I don't really want anymore, and if you could take it from there please! If you need a sandbox, User:Bluegoblin7/Sandbox5 is all yours!

Thanks again,

Bluegoblin7 00:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll go play around. What colours are you thinking? Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Blue mainly... but a dash of silver/grey would be nice! Bluegoblin7 01:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How does {{Filefolder}} look? Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 02:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeh that looks pretty good - either the blue or the grey! (Or, if you can combine them, both!)

I'm siging off now until about 11 GMT tommorrow, so i'll get back to you then.

Thanks again,

Bluegoblin7 02:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Images

Of course you can use my images, as long as I'm credited! My real name is Sunil Prasannan. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 11:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

BA Pic

Yes thats fine, its not my pic but yes please do use it as its GFDL and CC licensed. Thanks Markie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markie (talk • contribs) 21:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Bye

Hey, I am quite sad to see you go. You have done some exemplary work here on Wikipedia and it would be a great loss to lose a dedicated editor. :( Hopefully your absence is temporary and you will come back soon. Good luck! --Hdt83 ^Chat 04:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The Metropolitan redesign

I never wanted this to happen but many of our members wanted a newsletter so I had to come up with something. This was just a temporary measure and I am getting special help with the newsletter. If you would like to help, you can but if not then goodbye and I hope to see you here and back with the project, soon. Goodbye! Unisouth (talk) 14:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I am giving our members the option of removing there name should they not want the newsletter delivered. By adding all the members they will recognise that the newsletter exists, thus if they still don't want it they can just remove their name! Sure you can help redesign it but please don't edit the main page at Wikipedia:WikiProject London Transport/The Metropolitan/Issue 2 until I think your design is suitable and then it can be incorporated into Issue 3 in march. And finally I have decided to use the 'hide-style' template for all uses. Oh and I am working on the February issue here. Thank you! Unisouth (talk) 13:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... ok.

I suggest we deliver it manually until we have just the users that want it. If we drop below quota we'll have to stop, and if they find out it's being forced upon we'll be removed.

I will work on a redesign - so far it's here. THe colours will change, and now I have seen issue 1 i'll add some content.

Hide-style template. This is very useful, but I would suggest only delivering it in this manner - I have a way of doing it. It's much easier when it's being displayed on the main page to be non-collapsed.

I'll also redesign the newsletter page if that's ok...

And finally, can me, you, Tbo and Simply South sit down and discuss also about "ownership" of the project - no-one owns it and i'm getting fed up of childish banter.

Finally, what do you mean by special help? I'm special, and i'll help.

Cheers,

Bluegoblin7 20:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

If theres a need for a discussion. No one owns the project and no one should try to control the project. Do remember that it is easy to make assumptions on Wikipedia as you cannot see the person you are communicating with. Being an active editor, editing projects pages are something any project member can boldly do. If the change is potentially controversialm, it should be discussed. Being founder of the project does not give Unisouth any greater power or authority so no need to worry. Unisouth should and Im sure he does edit like any other user and discuss any controversial changes first. Project guidelines are discussed and implemented by the community as a whole who all get final say. There is no single user who gets a final say. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) 22:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Great! But as I have been trying to say - there is no owner of the project but I do admit there are some dominant members! Unisouth (talk) 08:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikiair

Your idea sounds intriguing. When you're up & running, I'll add what I can. (Probably not a lot, but... Vandal patrol, anyhow.) Trekphiler (talk) 02:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Good to hear you haven't too many troubles. Honestly, I'm not after too much authority; if I can undo vandalism like on WP, I'm happy with that. Give me the chance to actually block vandals, pretty soon nobody'd be able to get in! =D I had a quick glance at the site, too. Looks like it could be a real resource for anybody wanting air-related stuff. Have you thought about lifting pages from WP? Or am I missreading your intent? Trekphiler (talk) 15:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the confidence. I'll get back to you ASAP. I watch a few pages in aviation, so I'll cut & paste 'em if they're not on WA already. You might post a request for that on the WP Aviation talk page; I'll bet you'll find a few people who'll take the trouble who've got a longer list than me. Also, if you haven't already, look at List of military aircraft of the United States; you could lift that as a master list, then lift individual articles. Don't forget the "what links here", too; you never know when it'll go someplace interesting.

Don't need to reply, but you might consider if you'll include aviation bios (Don Luscome, Clyde Cessna, Walter Beech, Don Douglas, Kelly Johnson, say, just off the top of my head) or if you want to stay more hardware-oriented. My own preference is for a harder site (less Lindberg, more Johnson), but someplace where a non-specialist can go for everything aviation-related has its appeal, too. Compromise, maybe, is XT links from WP to WA in articles that dupe. Like Wright Whirlwind. I've had Rlandmann be critical of the page as having too much detail for WP; on WA, it should be the usual.

Well, since I'm here most days, if you get in a jam, message me, & I'll come. No guarantee I can help, tho =D...but I will give it my best. Trekphiler (talk) 19:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Coaching

Hi. Tbo 157 invited me to help coach you. I'd be happy to do so. Please be patient though as I don't always get much time on here these days. But as long as you're not in a tearing hurry, I am sure we can do something. Anyway, just saying hello and I will see you on the coaching page. --John (talk) 04:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

(Even though its nearly 3 weeks late). I had a glance at the article. It has pictures good. A big table OK. Sub-titles good. You will need refs for the hook that you use. What you need to concentrate on is the plain text before yoy get to the table. It is THIS text that needs to grow by a factor of five in a few days. I'd asdvise drafting a new bit in a Sandbox and get it all ready in your own time. DYK like pictures, tables and footnotes, they insist on refs, but they measure plain text. Oh and "welcome back" ... when I said "hide" in derbyshire ... I knew you lived here. I meant walk away from disputes id necessary... wikipedia is a big place. Victuallers (talk) 17:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Cheers Vic!

I'll copy it into the same box the other DYK is in - Box 4. Please let me know how i'm doing!

Does it matter if all (or most of) the refs go to the same place? (The guidebook/British Trams Online/LCCTT)?

More pics will follow - I have one of nearly every tram!

So the text should be the intro and then the bits about the cars? How big is a factor of five would you say?

Thanks,

BG7 19:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

National Tramway Museum tramcar list

I ask you to leave the redirect in tact. Of course nothing links to it. Nothing is supposed to link to redirects. See WP:REDIRECT to learn more about them. Also, don't re-add speedy deletion tags if they have been removed. If you feel so strongly about this, you are welcome to try WP:RFD. This redirect could be useful, when people search. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

busy for next few days

I might find time, but if you are really interested then cut and paste the plain text (only) into a word processor like word and ask it how many characters there are. Then do it for the latest version. Divide one by the other .... This is what the admins on RYK will know. They will also check that in total you hsve more than 2000 chars... you will have. Try and avoid bullets. Wijipedia prefers paragraphs Victuallers (talk) 16:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, will do Victuallers!

I'm on holiday until the 18th from tommorrow, so I guess we'll continue it until then!

If anyone finds my info and puts it on, is that allowed?

Thanks,

BG7 16:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

RE bullets... i'll try and get rid of them. There left over from a Trivia section on the main page. They'll be incorporated into the tram's section! The unreffed ones will go if I cant find a ref soon...

Also, does the characters fivefold thing include wiki markup/titles etc, or just the actual plaintext?

Thanks,

BG7 16:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Morbid fascination draws me here, but when I see an edit summary such as

Undid revision 189516491 by Rjd0060 (talk) undo... there we go, ive broken 3RR... what ya gonna do? ban me?

I'm often compelled to respond, now, I'm doing it here and not at Special:Blockip but I can let you into a little secret, the next time you break the 3RR rule and revert war over something as utterly pathetic as a redirect, the answer to your question will be an unequivocal "Yes". Hopefully, we won't get to that stage, common sense will kick in, and all will once again be well in your little corner of the great Wiki. Best Wishes. Nick (talk) 16:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Be civil

Please be civil in your dealings with other editors, I don't think any of the following are really acceptable:

• "becuase you're all *** *******"
• "AS IT'S NOT A ******* LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
• "It's not a bleeding list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
• "if ANYONE commits it they WILL BE REVERTED"

I'd suggest that you must understand that whatever point it is you are trying to get across, no one will take any notice if you speak like above. Adambro (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

dyk

hi bg, shall I nominate you? You can't get a dyk twice on the same article I think Victuallers (talk) 15:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

(replied below!)BG7 15:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

The Metropolitan

I have decided to let you handel the newsletter. Congratulations! I no longer have time to continually update and I think you can do a better job anyway. Unisouth (talk) 15:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. BG7 15:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

tramway list for dyk

Hi BG ... I think its ready? Are you ? Victuallers (talk) 20:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Vic,

I'll just work the bullets out (probably hide them, as i don't have enough info on the relevant trams yet!), but i'll probably lose some characters, so will add another couple of trams first. Then yes, it's ready!

Thanks,

BG7 15:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry for the delayed response, I was away skiing in the alps!

All set

put this in your list of places to look every few hours. Over the next few days there will/may be comments which we will need to field. Good luck Victuallers (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

picture

I went to find a picture, chose one and found it was also at the Tramway museum.... together with

   * The steam tram engine John Bull has an intriguing past - it is rumoured to have fallen into the sea on its way from New South Wales to Manchester; it disappeared in Sydney; and re-surfaced in 1980![4]
   * Sheffield Tram No. 510, entered service in 1950 and was withdrawn, still almost brand-new, when the city's tram system closed in 1960! Ironically, this tram has in fact now done more years at the museum than it did in Sheffield.[4]
   * When made redundant, Blackpool Tram No. 166 was commandeered by the BBC, along with its sister No. 165, as an outside broadcast unit. Many seats were removed, and cameras and recording gear were mounted, to allow the illuminations to be filmed - the already congested promenade could not take any more traffic, ruling out conventional outside broadcast units.[4]
   * Not many of the museum's trams can claim to have been on TV or have front page news, but one can! Prague No. 180 had more press coverage than the rest of the fleet put together.[4] This is because when it was transported to Crich, it was running just ahead of the "Iron curtain" of communist occupation. It became a symbol of the plight of the country. It was restored by its original manufacturers, Tatra, who later made 902.
   * The 1904 Chesterfield tramcar No.7 has had many adventures, and some great escapes! First, it survived a depot fire which destroyed many other trams. Then, it was used as a house by Mr. Eric Cocking - who had actually travelled to school in it. Finally, the museum found the tram, and now, after restoration, it lives happily amongst the operating fleet.[4]
   * Similarly, recently restored Leeds 345 is a very lucky tram. Withdrawn early due to rotten bodywork, it was used as a carpenters' tea shed at a Leeds depot. It was rescued by K. Terry, and for years sat at Crich. It was moved to an outside store, where later on a fire was started. When restored, parts of the lower deck ceiling were found to be singed.
   * Sheffield 74 is in fact made of 3 trams. The top and bottom decks are from different Sheffield trams, and the truck from Leeds.
   * London County Council 1622 was originally an open ended unrefurbished car, but was restored as an enclosed "rehab" car. Its bogies are ex Feltham.

You realise that the new article has to be new. You cannot cut and paste... it has to be original information. Can you explain/resolve? we have a few days Victuallers (talk) 11:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, that was C+P out of the orig article - i meant to delete it! As it is a trivia section you see. Gone... BG7 11:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC) (Pictures are also on the Tramcar page - if you want an orig pic, let me know and i'll upload it. BG7 11:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Thanks you seem to have the two articles sorted out now. Creating a different hook is always possible. The problem is to make sure that it is backed up by an online hook. I'm not sure that the current hook is ideal as you need to count "the 14" and I assume you have. As for pics, Sunday will be too late for the dyk, but I think you could aim to get a good library of pics stored on wikimedia commons... I see that currently they are on wikipedia which is not so good. If you want to add another hook then please do ... I won't be offended. 21:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Victuallers (talk • contribs)

Speedy deletion of Template:UK Trams/Intro

A tag has been placed on Template:UK Trams/Intro requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On February 22, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tramcars of the National Tramway Museum, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done Blue Goblin. The article was kindly nominated by Victuallers. Do feel free to self nom in future. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, no worries, I will! It was my first one, and vic offered to help me out! BG7 11:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

thx4thx

I found an interesting link with dozens of pictures of trolleybusses (two in derby in the 60s). Any interest? Victuallers (talk) 11:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Vic,

Yes please!

Mind sending me the link? (I'm going to work up some more tram articles for future DYKs!)

Thanks,

BG7 15:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Tramcars of the National Tramway Museum

Hello Bluegoblin, I've noticed the large contribution you've made recently to the Tramcars of the National Tramway Museum listing. I've put a couple of comments up on the Talk:Tramcars of the National Tramway Museum page and wanted to point you to them. Once again, thanks for your edits! —Sladen (talk) 16:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

where

your {here} link doesnt BG Victuallers (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Help...

Hi BG. Ive had a look at the AfD discussion and have warned User:Halfmast. Unfortunately theres not much I can do about the ip as it seems to be a shared ip. You may also want to remember that AFDs are discussions with an aim to achieve consensus and not a vote. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) 19:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tbo,

Thanks for that. I think i'm going to withdraw it and merge the articles. (And I do that how?...)

I'll be more active again in a few days - i've got loads on!

Thanks,

BG7 19:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Firstly you should ensure there is a consensus to merge the 2 articles. The AfD will probably be fine for this. IT should be kept open for the full 5 days so a proper discussion can take place. I'll help you with the merging if there is a consensus as the edit histories also need to be merged to comply with GFDL. Thanks. Tbo ¹⁵⁷(talk) 21:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

afd

I don't feel confident enoughto make this my first close afd. However 1. Why are you propoosing it is merged ... it is your AFD. Withdraw the AFD if you want to merge it.... you don't need an afd to merge 2. Walk away from name-calling. Also see my comments which are meant to be helpful. Victuallers (talk) 19:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Victuallers,

Thanks for your input!

1. I will be withdrawing the AfD now!
2. Yeh I will do. Thanks for the comments and input!

ATB,

BG7 19:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wyvern Rail Deletions etc...

Hi BG7,

Just to let you know I appear to share email address at username at several sites! Spooky!

On a note about the above, I am being blamed for it, and am being threatened to be banned from the railway. Please could you explain to Neil Ferguson-Lee that I have not done this and that we are seperate people.

Thanks,

Shanner191 (Jack Gordon) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanner191 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, will do!

Sorry for the confusion - I just want to make WP a better place!

Oh and in future, please sign with for tildes (~~~~).

Thanks,

BG7 16:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Please try to focus on the issues while dealing with other editors. This edit [2] is definitely not civil and borders on personal attack. This is true anywhere, but especially on Editor Assistance where you are supposed to be helping other editors, not attacking them. SpinningSpark 22:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment

Hi BG7 -

As the administrator closing WyvernRail plc, I wanted to let you know that I've closed it as keep. In addition, I wanted to tell you that I found your attitude around that AFD to be particularly aggressive and that it might have actually hurt your cause. Please remain civil and polite at all times - besides being one of our rules, I think you'll find that it advances your cause. - Philippe | Talk 06:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Various

Thanks for the Barnstar! I'll stick to Wikipedia though, got plenty to keep me going here. Of course, all text is there to be used elsewhere too if someone wants to do it. Mjroots (talk) 11:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, looks much better!Mjroots (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Southampton Corporation Tramways is on the next list of articles for DYK as the picture aticle. Mjroots (talk) 08:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't find it anywhere - what gauge was SCT? Mjroots (talk) 13:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Trams

Yes, off course- U can use them. They r PD anyway. Regards! V1^t 11:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

If U need more pics i can take some in a few days. Just let me know. Regards! V1^t 12:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Please feel free to use my tram images, as you requested. Mjobling (talk)