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For good humour and excellence in editing, I present this barnstar to the multitalented and admirably coherent Tvoz. Rossrs 06:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Making a Washington Post story for your vandalism reverting skillz is worthy of a barnstar.[1] Congratulations! B 02:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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You're famous!

ZOMG!! I'm not worthy! You totally made it into The Washington Post. Too bad it is only for removing a picture of a naked black men from Obama's article. Heh. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 04:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tina! Saw the post article. --Pleasantville 12:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC) (aka Kathryn Cramer)

Pretty awesome Tvoz! R. Baley 03:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Well there you are in the Washington Post, fighting the good fight. Carry on, Tvoz :) · jersyko talk 03:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Very nice. :) --Knulclunk 04:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Tvoz, congrats on the Wapo article! A while back I too got interviewed, in conjunction with the HRC article ... for a blog that has about 1/100000 the readership of the Post ;-) Wasted Time R 14:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I added your interview to the Wikipedia:Wikipedia in blogs page, Wasted. You were able to get a lot more words in there than I was! Tvoz |talk 23:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on the article! I talked to Jose, too, but seems that the Mitt Romney page I frequent wasn't interesting enough or something. Maybe he just didn't like my pseudonym, or that he couldn't cast partisan motives because of it? :) Oh, and you may be interested in a similar article in The Huffington Post last month. Jose said that he'd been working on his piece when the HuffPo piece came out, and had to delay his article due to it. Pro crast in a tor 07:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I added that article to the Wikipedia:Wikipedia in blogs page. Tvoz |talk 23:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Outstanding. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 23:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Can we have the URL. please? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure, Jossi - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601699_2.html

Thanks everyone! Just doin' my part to make you all look good....Tvoz |talk 23:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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Merry Crimbo Dear Tvoz! Love, Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 17:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Chrimble

...and a gear New Year! Let us count all our blessings. Raymond Arritt (talk) 05:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Obama BLP

Hi Tvoz, please check out Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Barack Obama and Michelle Obama. Wishing you well as always. Steve Dufour (talk) 11:47, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Reflist

No probs. As a Barnstar-awarder indirectly involved in the possible Noticeboard COI discussion, I checked it over - also found the <ref> mistake, which threw all the subsequent reference Notes into turmoil. Thanks and happy new year. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:32, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Sounds like fun, but it's my birthday, so.... no. Tvoz |talk 22:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Slow revert

Thanks for the note about Hillary Rodham Clinton awards and honors. It was accidental in this case — I'd forgotten that the weird build-up-HRC's-minor-accomplishments editor clique had visited there (will they go away if Obama sends HRC packing as all the pundits are now predicting?) — but actually the "slow revert" is a favorite 'tactic' of mine for avoiding edit wars and your note reminded me of a couple of them that are now time to do ... Wasted Time R (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Reverting

Please do not revert valid and contructive edits as you did to Hillary Rodham Clinton presidential campaign, 2008. It is not nonsense as you stated in your edit summary. Thank you. Carter | Talk to me 06:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Tha date was wrong. I fixed that, and some other information. It is notable as it is the first village to vote in the country. If you did a little research you would know that. I consider the matter closed.Carter | Talk to me 06:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I changed the writing because you were right. ten is not a blow. I re worded it. Carter | Talk to me 06:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Discuss on talk page. Carter | Talk to me 06:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It's also rude to say 'Taking recentism to new heights' in your edit summary. Don't need to be attacking other editors, even in subtlety. Thank you. Carter | Talk to me 06:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm the last one that needs to be lectured thanks. I've been doing this for awhile. Carter | Talk to me 07:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfounded criticism - material was originally inaccurate and written in a POV manner, and ultimately non-encyclopedic: result is that it remained removed from the article. As for "taking recentism to new heights", I stand by that attack on the edit. I didn't attack the editor. Tvoz |talk 22:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

HRC and Barack leads

Hi Tina ... see Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton regarding a question I have on an edit you made last night. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the response. I just gave up and went to bed last night, as I was getting "incoming" on both HRC and McCain for both their main articles and campaign articles. I had it a lot easier after Iowa, as I don't do much on either of those winners's articles ... Wasted Time R (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Obama's Biracial Parentage

Where exactly is this discussion about censoring a highly significant fact? Tmangray (talk) 15:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no censorship. Read the article. And please keep the discussion on Talk: Barack Obama, not here. Thank you. Tvoz |talk 20:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

who are you? you are...

On ANI, you asked how I know you as you don't know me? You have been in the national news. I read about it a while back. I remembered the name because it looks like TV Oz, or Australian TV. Congolese fufu (talk) 06:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Right. Well, bringing in your characterization of my politics in an AN/I discussion that I was not a central party to, just trying to help settle, was way out of line and unacceptable as far as I'm concerned, so let's just stop this conversation, ok? Tvoz |talk 07:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday Dear Tvoz! Lotsaluv Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 00:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Your'e not so bad yerself! Have a really good one! Love, Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC) XXX

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday, Tvoz, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

HappyBirthdayClubMember (talk) 07:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both for adding some sparkle to my talk page! Now if the snow that's coming will only wait.... Tvoz |talk 08:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Snow? What do New Yorkers know about snow? (speaking as an ex-). In any event, Happy Birthday, dear Tvoz. You're a great editor, for a high school girl! ;-) Bellagio99 (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

HA! (and thanks) Tvoz |talk 18:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion

Something for everyone. --andreasegde (talk) 18:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You may like this

You may enjoy this: [2] Birthday girl! Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 23:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ferrylodge again threatening to move Religious Background section

FYI, in case you care to weigh in:[3] Qworty (talk) 00:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

He has already tried to move it 3 times. Turtlescrubber (talk) 02:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I am leaving wikipedia. [4] Take care. Turtlescrubber (talk) 03:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Dearest of all my darlings

Yeah I don't get my the title, think its a max payne quote. Anyways, Breid523's edits indeed earned him a block and I certainly wouldn't follow suite, however nothing on Wikipedia states that I can't find it funny. --DeargDoom1991 (talk) 17:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed there is no denying that it was juevinille, but I guess when you are a teenager you like the intellectual humour and the downright childish stuff in a bundle. I definately wouldn't vandalise like my friend for fear that my creations would then be deleted. It also wasn't a personal attack on you. --DeargDoom1991 (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem about the words page. Indeed I do live on the Emerald Isle. Whats you're favourite Neil stuff? And yeah you're detective work is right, that used to belong to me and it was stupid. I'm sorry. Although if you look at my contributions I have'nt vandalised with this account, I was hoping no one would notice. --DeargDoom1991 (talk) 22:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Archive

Don't ask me why I did it, but I did. Think of it as a late (very late) birthday present... --andreasegde (talk) 17:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, thanks....I absolutely hate archiving so I come up with very good reasons not to do it. But I have to admit it was time. I did rescue the stuff about the newspaper article for now - fame is fleeting. Tvoz |talk 18:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL, Fame is fleeting? You're determined to make it permanent (on this page at least... :) Sie sind wunderbar, oder ist das zu viel? :)) --andreasegde (talk) 21:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Absolument. If I don't, who will?Tvoz |talk 05:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

BTW, is it gonna be Obama or Clinton? I have a few theories about CNN and its reporting about this. --andreasegde (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Er spricht Deutch wieder, Mein Papa sagts, es ist das Bier! Poppy 22:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

HELP. Sprechen sie deutsch? Nein. (A little Yiddish, but it ain't the same.) Interested to hear your theories Andreas - not sure yet who it's going to be - there's enough bias to go around, so it's anyone's guess. Tvoz |talk 05:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I made the mistake of telling me little Pops, that he was writing German again and said he must be on the ale! So she insisted in telling you in German, what I'd said! They (the twins) have a German friend at school and Pops has been mad on speaking an writing it for over a year! She even speaks to the dog in German saying he understands it cos he's a German Shepard!! Gott in Himmel! Alaichem sholom, Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 19:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC) XXXX

not a personal attack

As I mentioned in the notes, this editor is bullying the Nancy Reagan article. My note was a warning that such behavior may get him blocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.228.83 (talk) 22:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Right - and this edit by you on the same editor's talk page on was designed to do what? You're not in a position to be warning anyone about anything. Tvoz |talk 22:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

that edit was not made by me, otherwise it would have shown my IP address. Furthermore, as a free encyclopedia that anybody can write, I believe I have a responsibility to Wikipedia in general when I see an abuse of power. Lastly, even if that vandalism was made by me - which it was not - this still does not address Happyme22's bullying of the Nancy Reagan article.

I didn't even have this IP address until just this week...I've moved and this IP is new, so there was no way for me to have made that edit...what's going on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.228.83 (talk) 07:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Please see discussion page of Nancy Reagan article 207.237.228.83 (talk) 07:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

No, that's not the way it works. Edits show your IP address and the date stamp when you add 4 tildes (~~~~). But your IP address is captured whether or not you sign a note - in page history. So when you make an edit it is identified as your IP whether or not you sign it. And your IP made that edit, two weeks ago, not two years ago. If you want to protect yourself from being accused of IP edits that you didn't make, then I suggest you register a username and don't edit without logging in. But the likelihood that someone else using your IP address made that edit on the same editor's page is, frankly, not believeable. So it is clear to me that you made that edit, and you made this edit, which by the way was seen as a personal attack by at least two editors in addition to me. I also suspect that you are the same person as the other IP address complaining about the same paragraph in the same manner, with the almost identical style of personal attack. That IP address was blocked before, and if this one continues to use personal attacks I would guess it will be too. This approach is not going to work. Tvoz |talk 09:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know how things work here. I have already apologized to Happyme22 for my attack post and my apology was accepted. Now, I sincerely hope that you are able to accept this apology as well and will be able to move forward and address the MANY examples of the Nancy Reagan article being written in a Non NPOV as detailed on the discussion page of that article. Thank you.
Ps- I can not address your suspicion regarding any other IP addresses with similar complaints but hope you will not penalize me for the writings of other editors. Thank you again. 207.237.228.83 (talk) 07:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you looked at IP's contribs? I'm not happy about the message he's canvassing multiple editors with. When was the last time I edited Reagan? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for defending me

Thanks for defending me Tvoz. Seeing as the only thing I've done to the page this week is expand on Nancy's recent activities, I'm not even sure what the IP was talking about. Actually, now that I think about it, it's the claim that another IP made that Nancy was pregnant with their daughter Patti when they got married and which was not backed up by a source. I reverted, he/she added back, and it took off from there but that was from January 8. Sometimes I don't understand people... Thanks again, Happyme22 (talk) 22:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps was the same person editing from home and work. And, you're welcome.Tvoz |talk 03:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Removing Citations

Oops, I'm going to have to call a mulligan on that one. Usually, when I remove one ref as unreliable, I remove the rest in the article as well. Thanks for the heads up, I will try to be more careful. Burzmali (talk) 05:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Freddie Thompson

Thanks for the response on Obama. surprised by the attention from such a celebrity. Read the article from the post. I have to agree with ferrylodge, not because freddie is demeaning but because he is a public figure who is known as Fred, regardless of his birth name. You wouldn't head Hillary's page with her birth name and not her married name, and Obama's page doesn't head with his full name either. Whatever the format is, it should be consistent. Thanks for your hard work and attention to detail. I never look up anything anymore, without also checking wikipedia and it's good to known that there are peopele like you out there keeping it honest.Awomanforachange (talk) 11:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm? Last time I checked Barack Obama's article begins with his full legal name, same for Hillary Rodham Clinton's article. Wikipedia bio articles don't start with birth names, they start with full legal name and there hasn't been any evidence provided that Thompson legally changed his name. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 19:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Article title goes to common usage (e.g., Mitt Romney), first line goes to full legal name (e.g., Willard Mitt Romney). And see John Edwards' Johnny Reid "John" Edwards for what seems to be the identical situation as Thompson, but handled correctly according to Wikipedia's style manual. The first mention in the article, bolded, for Thompson should have been Freddie Dalton "Fred" Thompson according to that model. We were indeed arguing for consistency, but correct style per the manual of style was out-yelled. Maybe now that he's out of the presidential race we can return to non-partisan editing. Tvoz |talk 20:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing the cites on the HL article. miranda 06:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, me either. I think it would be good with one column. I just hate when people post links and don't give access dates. But, I guess people are busy. miranda 06:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I sometimes have problems with that too...that's why I use the CITE template. miranda 06:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Greysteel

There's some journals too, see here. But I'm never sure how to handle non-free content, especially when I've not seen the original. I'd imagine the first result (J Sharkey) is pretty non-controversial anyway. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Reagan

What has the IP done now? A mediation cabal request? Oye ve.... Happyme22 (talk) 06:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Tvoz: please see these notes regarding your comment. Thank you. 207.237.228.83 (talk) 21:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently he's going ahead with the medcab request. I've left very long comments on the article talk page (located here) and the medcab request (here). Please join in if you wish. And what's with the Raul thing? I'm pretty sure Raul doesn't give a crap about what we're doing at Nancy Reagan! --Happyme22 (talk) 05:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Raul cares about anything that impacts FAs (and generally, he cares about FA writers and people, at least that's my sense); if editors are tangled up in mediation because they support a FAC, that's a concern. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned this is not a matter for mediation and I have no intention of participating in it. I see one item, the IRS matter, that needs resolution, and I'm waiting to see what Wasted comes up with on that. Tvoz |talk 09:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I too am quite confused by just about everything the IP has done. See the talk page for his latest comments. I anticipate that my name will be smeared across the "mediation request" which he is apparently working on frivilously. He seems to be taking quite a while and even says he is going to review the entire FAC and article history! I'm not going to allow the article to be delisted, and I hope if notions such as that are brought up, you will back me up. Thanks Tvoz and you've been a big help. I have a feeling there's only going to be a few more days of this. Happyme22 (talk) 04:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh well I first thought that because my name was included in it, it was almost mandatory to participate. But I guess not. I think your theory of what the IP's identity is is probably correct; I also questioned that from the beginning. Thanks Tvoz - you've been a big help. BTW, I just skimmed through the HRC article and found it to be very informative. You and Wasted have done wonders with it. Best, `Happyme22 (talk) 18:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Wasted gets the credit for everything good about it. He has been a warrior for an honest and fair article, against all odds. And it's not going to get easier. Tvoz |talk 20:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

HRC-related RfC

Since you're often vigorous on WP:BLP concerns, see what you think about the RfC at Talk:Huma Abedin, an article I just ran across. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the reverts here

I have no idea who that jackass actually is, but I'm certainly glad to know I was the reason he "quit editing (and improving) Wikipedia". Makes me feel like I've made a difference. Thanks to Jéské and Nwwaew for watching my pages. Tvoz |talk 00:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

No problemo. The fact that he keeps vandalizing you shows you've definitely made a difference here. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 00:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Null persp, chummer. I had just noticed him and blocked him straightaway; his words were little more than a confession of abusive sockpuppetry. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 00:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

And another thanks, to Jéské, for the latest revert of probably the same troll. Persistent bugger, that one. Tvoz |talk 21:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

User has been blocked, though it took a bit longer than I expected. . .diff. R. Baley (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, R. Good to know there are friendly folks watching my pages. I don't know who that troll is, but apparently he doesn't like me.... I'll carry on, somehow. Tvoz |talk 21:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Super Duper

Have been sidelined for most of two days by nasty periodontal surgery, but now am trying to catch up. Will update for Super Tuesday. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm hoping the distraction helps. Until this afternoon I was in a Vicodin-induced lightheadedness and wouldn't have been of much use here ... Wasted Time R (talk) 00:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Clinton & Obama

Hello Tvoz, you and Bellwether sure are straightshooter, but ya stuck to your guns. You both have my respect. GoodDay (talk) 00:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Disruptive Editor - Such editors as those? are boring. It's a matter of time before he/she is blocked or banned. GoodDay (talk) 21:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Update - He/she's been blocked indefinitely. GoodDay (talk) 21:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't block him. But yes, it was speedy. GoodDay (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was adding the NRA information to the Barack Obama Main Summary Article due to the very same information existing in Hillary Clinton's main article. I had not intended to engage in an edit war. The first time my data was erased there had been no notification as to why. Thank you for the link to redirect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skipingrock (talk • contribs) 10:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

MOS question

SandyGeorgia referred me to you on a MOS question. I am working on bringing Fanny Imlay into MOS compliance before I take it to FAC in a few weeks. Even after reading WP:NAMES, I'm not really sure what to do about the first line of the article. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! Awadewit | talk 03:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Troll

No probs Queen. Vera, Chuck & Dave (talk) 00:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC) XXXXX

Regarding comments left on User talk:67.55.19.203

Thank you for this. He berated my on my talk page about this, and I was about to write a response until you wrote this. I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks! Spencer^T♦C 21:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

apology

I am sorry that wasn't very funny at all. I should be encouraging the internet and sites like this instead of being so petty.

Howard Dully —Preceding unsigned comment added by Howard Dully (talk • contribs) 02:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:AIV reporting and IP addresses

Hey there! Just dropping by about your report at WP:AIV. Remember that IP addresses may be static or dynamic, and therefore may be shared (used by multiple users) or physically shift connections every so often. Due to this, try not to peg IPs as "vandalism-only accounts", as they may go through hundreds of users a month. Thanks, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask. :) Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I've always wondered; if people are capable of vandalizing Wikipedia, are they capable of coherent thought beyond the urge to wreck things? Anyway, it's all good; it just sucks sometimes to be pegged as a vandal when you're not, and we don't want to bite any potentially good contributors. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton at WP:GAR

FYI,

Hillary Clinton has been at WP:GAR since Feb 11.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Michelle Obama GA

Thanks for contributing to the effort at Michelle Obama. You may want to put this on your user page:

This user helped promote Michelle Obama to good article status.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks- but to tell you the truth, I think the granting of GA status may have been a bit premature, as the article is not really all that well developed yet, in my opinion. I don't agree with the person who complained that it was biased, but I think it's a stretch to say it's on the level of most other GA articles. However, I'm not formally objecting - rather will see what I can do to encourage its expansion and development. Tvoz |talk 07:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Query at WT:FAC

FYI, [5] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Tha-anks!! :)

One back atcha! - Alison ^❤ 07:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Amazing

This entire situation is amazing. A Dereks1x sock became an admin. I didn't know for sure until after he already had his rights revoked for other reasons, but I was a bit suspicious of him after this exchange, during which he insisted on the "rights" of indef blocked users etc. in an e-mail to me. I posted my thoughts on the Dereks1x relationship here, if you care to comment (not that there's really much else to say, I suppose). · jersyko talk 21:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Tvoz |talk 08:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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David Paterson refs

Hey Tvoz, thanks for cleaning up the refs. However I was not hte one who originally put them there, I think they are an amalgamated mess from all of the <!-- editing --> that took place prior to today. A thorough cleanup should be done ASAP. MrPrada (talk) 07:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Well, I think you should accept my contributions about McLuhan, Marcel and Papachristopoulos... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.217.61 (talk) 18:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw the rest of the biography and I think it is ALREADY a paper article... so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.217.61 (talk) 18:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

John Edwards

I gave you the link and Fox News interviewed him and he stated, "I'm not going to endorse either of them for President of the United States. Not vandalism.(Rhinostampede (talk) 14:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC))

Never happened - John Edwards did not tell Fox News any such thing. And the link was bogus. Tvoz |talk 03:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Political miscellany

Hey there, Tvoz! Goodness, it sure has been a long while since we've been in touch. Of course, I thought of you straight off when I discovered this (eyes rolling -- be sure to check out the nom's user page). I didn't see your name there, so I figured you must not have seen it! Such a waste of everybody's time... (Right now, I'm the last commenter.) If you want a good chuckle, though, check out this David Patterson CFD. PS - I just learned that Tom Lehrer (yes, that Tom Lehrer) came out in support of Obama. What a blast from the past! Regards, Cgingold (talk) 02:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Good grief. Tvoz |talk 04:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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page size tool

Just to make things a bit easier for you, you may wish to check out this tool. It doesn't guarantee absolute accuracy on page sizes, but it's much easier than creating a page and removing all the none prose bits. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 20:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Here's some english instructions:

1. Go to User:Tvoz/monobook.js
2. Select the "Edit this page" link
3. Copy the following into the bottom of the edit window:

{{subst:js|User:Omegatron/monobook.js/addlink.js}}
{{subst:js|User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js}}

1. Select the "Save page" button
2. I'm guessing you're using Internet Explorer, so you'd select Ctrl-F5
3. Go to an article and see if there is a new link called "Page size" in the Toolbox (located on the left side of your screen below the Search box.

Hope that helps. ;) --Bobblehead ^(rants) 21:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

(EC)Sweet, you answered your own question, but just to answer your question anyways, you always want to make sure you paste any new additions to your monobook.js so they aren't in the middle of all of the other things you already have in there and adding it to either all the way at the top or all the way down at the bottom of the edit box is the easiest way to do this. Just think of your monobook.js as a queue of people, adding some more people at the end of the queue isn't likely to cause any problems, but if you try to add a person into the middle of another person, you'll get a bloody mess. Heh. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 22:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Ladies and gentlemen - the above is the coolest thing. Many thanks Bob! Tvoz |talk 21:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

You may have noticed an error message that says "Replaced by addPortletLink()" when you brought up Wikipedia today. It is caused by the Omegatron part of the instructions I gave you. So, what you need to do is go to your monobook and delete this from there:

importScript('User:Omegatron/monobook.js/addlink.js');
 //[[User:Omegatron/monobook.js/addlink.js]]

Once you've deleted the line, go ahead and save your Monobook (you'll get the error message again probably). Once you have saved it, select CTRL-F5 to clear your cache. This "should" get rid of the error messages. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 14:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yowser! That did it. Thanks Bob - I had no idea what was causing that error. CTRL shift-R though... Tvoz |talk 16:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

No prob. I figured since you need a step by step for getting the pagesize in, you'd need one to fix the error message. And yay that you're using Firefox, I went with the 90% chance you'd be using IE. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 16:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup...Firefox uber alles, I always say. Once you try it you never go back.... Tvoz |talk 17:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Madelyn and Stanley Dunham

hmmm. Well, I took a look and I was puzzling over exactly what the actual problem was. And then it dawned on me. Were you expecting their different names to appear in the categories as sorted? If that's what you were hoping for, I'm afraid cat-sorting just ain't gonna do the job! All it accomplishes is sorting the alphabetical position of the article, under it's actual name, in each of the categories. The only way to get different names to appear in the categories is by using the redirect pages. A little complicated, but it works. Just sort out which cats you want on each of the three pages (the article & the two redirects). Voila, c'est tout! :) Cgingold (talk) 01:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Right, italics is the only option -- redirects always display that way. I believe it's deliberate, so they can be distinguished from actual articles. Cgingold (talk) 02:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

No bitey. :)

Hey, it's not a problem. I'm ever-so-slightly suspicious when a new editor knows how to sign talk pages on their first edit, too. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to be suspicious all you want but is says right under the "save page" button how to sign your signature. I'd like to think I'm a generally intelligent guy as well. I guess I should take it as a complement though and hopefully there can be a real discussion over the issues I've presented rather than backroom accusations and investigations. Thegoodlocust (talk) 00:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Save a glass for me. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Dereks1x

Considering who just tried to file an arbcom case against Jersyko,[6] I think I have a good idea who Thegoodlocust (talk · contribs) is. What do you think? His prolific editing of long diatribes on the talk page is certainly a good indicator... --Bobblehead ^(rants) 20:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hm... I wasn't familiar with that banned editor, but I can see the similarities. I'm heading out to work — if someone else wants to file a request at WP:RFCU, that would be great. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

How did I miss this one? I would agree. Tvoz |talk 21:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't have time to pound out an RFCU right now, so I just popped over to Thatcher and asked if he'd be willing to do the check without the formal request.[7] As far as missing it, only reason why it was in the front of my mind was that I added a response to the ArbCom case that Coren created on behalf of Harry60 and spent an hour or so going over some of the greatest hits. Heh. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 21:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's the same ISP at least. Heh. Too bad the state was one off. [8] --Bobblehead ^(rants) 01:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea its too bad you might have to engage in a rational discussion instead of trying to get someone banned. As it states in WP:SOCKS, "Keep in mind there can be multiple users who are driven to start participating in Wikipedia for the same reason, particularly in controversial areas such as articles about politics, religion, or articles for deletion." Thegoodlocust (talk) 01:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jason Rae

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Good job

I just heard the NPR interview. You did a great job representing the project, and explaining Wikipedia's arcane processes to a lay audience. I'm surprised that they didn't go into the question of your personal views about the candidates — but now you've got a reliable source saying that your edits are "not for political purposes, but just to do the right thing". Do you suppose this will change Andy's mind? ;^) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I thought it came off well too. They asked in the pre-interview whom I voted for and I told them I wasn't going to tell them, so I guess they decided not to try. As for Andy, well.... I doubt it. Other than the fact that I had to get up at 7:30, it was fun. Tvoz |talk 21:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It was the most Wikipedia-friendly news coverage that the 2008 presidential candidate articles have seen yet, and you represented the project really well. Thank you! --HailFire (talk) 04:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - Tvoz |talk 17:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

		The Special Barnstar
		To Tvoz, on the very special occasion of an NPR program, for outstanding contributions to Wikipedia. -Susanlesch (talk) 05:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Greetings from a stranger lucky to hear you today. Beautiful job, you did Wikipedia proud. -Susanlesch (talk) 05:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow - thank you Susan! Nice to meet you. Tvoz |talk 17:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama comments

Hey there Tvoz, could you check out my comments on the Obama talk page? I think they are surely noteworthy, but a few editors seem to be merely dismissing them. Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 23:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

And as for the NPR report, congrats; I only just saw it. Thanks for squeezing Nancy's name in there somewhere! Best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 01:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - yeah, I thought it would make the point that editing is sometimes eclectic and not politically motivated. (And it was true!) About your Obama recommendations - I'll try to wade trough all of the comments there - what I am afraid is happening is the article is being denuded of its character in order to conform to arbitrary standards and/or political interests. But I'm hopeful it will be sorted out. Tvoz |talk 01:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm very sketchy and nervous about that article altogether. Let's see what happens. Thanks again, Happyme22 (talk) 01:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. A lovely interview. And now that I have listened to you, and you have NPR and WashPost fame, I am going to put you down as a Notable in the New York Dialect article ;-) Bellagio99 (talk) 18:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Bell - not so sure about "notable"! Tvoz |talk 21:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

...back straight, chest out, square shoulders, and knees two inches apart! ;~) I don't know if you were aware that you have been the subject of two complaints at WP:AN, neither of which appear to be going anywhere, but it appears that another contributor to Barak Obama is not appreciative of your style. Please be so advised. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Less, I had not seen those two. and thanks for your defense. Actually I find it interesting that this user felt I was threatening him with blocking - actually what I said was the user whose edits he invoked had been community banned not for his ideas but because he was a serious sock abuser - Dereks1x (likely aka Archtransit) and at least 60 other known identities - and that that banned editor was continuing to appear under socks but that they would eventually be found out and blocked as well. I did not say that he was one of them or that he would be banned for making suggestions. And if you look at the talk page you'll see that's all I said - I'm not in a content conflict with him over there, so I find these AN postings at best odd. Tvoz |talk 21:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I suspect communication difficulties; although he may speak english to near native standard, it is likely to be Br-En native than New World. I will comment that both of you disagree with my suggestion regarding content dispute, so you have common ground if you do wish to start beating him over the head with an olive branch... LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Less, I haven't commented on his edit - it isn't a content dispute. Redvers has it right here. Tvoz |talk 01:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC) (And it's about 9PM here, so I have no excuse.)

Thanks for the Postman link

Hi Tvoz, thanks for the help on Neil Postman. I'd love to find a real reference, but do you think that link is suitable until then? --Culix (talk) 09:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

You'll both be happy to know that I've created a redirect page for Teaching as a Subversive Activity, linking to Inquiry education. Hopefully this will turn into an article at some point. At least it shows up in the relevant categories now. Cgingold (talk) 13:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Megan Marshak

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Laughing?

Er. about what? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 13:36, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

oh, it gets better. The guy who didn't like me reverting his pretty flagicons decided I needed to be taught a lesson at wikiquette. He and an anon (who I suspect to be a growing sockfarm) are making some interesting claims. I won't bother posting the link to the wikiquette alerts, but if you are interested in what interpretation looks like without a shirt on, head on over there for some "Interpretation Gone Wild!" (key island music) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

He does seem to be All The Righteous Anger. Ahhh, to be that new and sure of myself again... - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

It reminds me of the Monty Python sketch wherein someone pays to meet with someone to have an Argument, but ends up with someone Contrary, instead. Undoubtedly, the editor stalking my edits will find a way to mischaracterize my edits here poorly elsewhere - 'he said I was a pythn, a reptile, seeking to strip, as in the Full Monty'. Sometimes people should listen to the little voices in their head that cry out for silence. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

UM IP Vandals

See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#University_System_of_Maryland_IP_vandals Toddst1 (talk) 23:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I Was Your Vandal, Tvoz

User:Tvoz - Please forgive my childishness in vandalizing your talk page. I was the anon IP user that kept blanking your page in a "test" to see how admins would react. You can read about the full undertaking here. Again, I meant you no personal harm or displeasure. Thanks. -- VegitaU (talk) 01:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Good thought

Towards the end of my repetitive edits last night, that occurred to me, and I put a {{Reflist}} at the bottom of the section I was editing so I could see the footnotes in preview. But of course I forgot to remove the {{Reflist}} [9]! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment

"I will be retiring to the Cayman Islands shortly with the riches I'm gathering through my Wikipedia editing of political pages." - (From your userpage) - You're joking, right? Oh, and you're also joking about being a Republican too? Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 16:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I read your reference in the Washington Post article (like everyone else who comes here) so I knew straight after then ;-) - Good to know you're a Demmy! Nice to meet you too! Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 17:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Wright, take 382

I've worked on a new version of the Wright paragraph in Barack Obama, and I'd be interested in your thoughts at Talk:Barack Obama#New attempt by Josiah. Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

A Day in the Life

Would you mind taking a look at this article, which is about the Beatles song "A Day in the Life". It is currently in the GA process, but I'm at a loss of what to do next (besides fixing those damn "citation needed" tags). I'd appreciate it if you checked it out and gave me some pointers. I've had it up for Peer Review for quite a while, to no response. Hmmm.... Cheers, Kodster (Willis) (Look what I can do) 02:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think one of the biggest problems with the article (not problems, per se, but obstacles) is the ambiguous or otherwise informal wording. I think it's a bit better now. Cheers, Kodster (Willis) (Look what I can do) 19:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this is good for a GA Nomination, agreed? Cheers, Kodster (Willis) (Look what I can do) 01:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia page history statistics

Hello, I answered your question here. -- Aka (talk) 07:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Obama FAQ

Since there isn't a way to collapse the FAQ box, I went ahead and slapped {{scrollbox}} on the FAQ. It reduces the size of the FAQ quite a bit and if we wanted to, we could make it smaller by messing with the height parameter. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 22:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Megan Marshack

The move has been completed and the edit history has followed to the correct spelling. The other spelling has been automatically transformed into a redirect link.--JForget 03:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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Vereniging Basisinkomen

Hi Fram, I'd like to see you comment at Vereniging Basisinkomen. Since I have a COI, there is not much more that I can do there, and I would hate to see a good article go because a user dislikes me. Guido den Broeder (talk) 12:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Something strange happened here. I posted this on Fram's talk page, and he showed up at the article. Next thing, Wikipedia breaks down for a couple of seconds, and I find my post here! Guido den Broeder (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Beats me - I had posted a note on Fram's page and then removed it few minutes later because the matter had been handled already - so that must have had something to do with it! Oh well, wikipedia sometimes works in mysterious ways... Tvoz |talk 17:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama, Sr.

thanks for letting me know, it still doesn't come up when I search, so just not sure. Thanks, It is me i think (talk) 00:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

You were right ...

... about the HRC FAC. It's opened up an attack on the method of dealing with minor controversies in footnotes (Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton#Trivia in notes) that's been quite successful in keeping the article stable. Meanwhile the nominator hasn't been heard from again. Sigh. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Should have compared notes

Heh. Darn it. We should have compared notes before proving Ottava wrong about the article size on HRC. I did the same thing you did at User:Bobblehead/Sandbox, but commented on the FAC page.[10] The plus side is that we came up with the same thing. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 20:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, just saw that - I did it yesterday and came up with 60K and then realized I had left headers in, and it came in at 59. Meanwhile - now he thinks Wasted should "leave Wikipedia" because he doesn't agree with the guy's interpretation of size guidelines? I've heard a lot, but this one may take the cake. Tvoz |talk 20:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh. Wow. Talk about being tetchy...--Bobblehead ^(rants) 20:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

ANI notice up

At WP:ANI#Repeated extreme incivility by User:Ottava Rima. Wasted Time R (talk) 05:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Why shouldn't the America Flag icon be added to a person running for President of the USA?

Hillary Clinton has expressed multiply times her love of America (I can find credible sources and quotes if you need them) and I can't find any credible source/her her opponents which disputes this. Also, Clinton is a former first lady of America. This is more than appropriate. Do you disagree? It is me i think (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

That's precisely why we shouldn't include flags - we're not supposed to be planting suggestions of a person's patriotism or lack of it in their biography, and the flag doesn't add any more real information than saying her nationality is American. The nationality line in the infobox is not a political statement - her nationality just indicates what her citizenship is, and the flag doesn't tell us more than we already know. Please take a look at WP:FLAG if you haven't - it explains this guideline pretty well. Tvoz |talk 16:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I did read through this WP:FLAG and this is where I got my idea. So is your suggestion no flag icons should be added to any politician. In full disclosure, I did add flags to an Austrian politician and a Nigerian. It is me i think (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's pretty much what I'd say - best to leave the flags off of people's pages. Not to worry - you didn't do any harm. Tvoz |talk 17:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

If all flags should be kept of all people, why does a flag icon exist? My apologies for sounding negative, but this sounds like your POV and not wikipolicy. Do you have a place for better clarification or may a recent dispute over flag icons which I could reference to see how users view the usage of the flag icon. Thanks, and my apologies again for being negative. It is me i think (talk) 19:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

See your page for reply. Tvoz |talk 02:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me better understand the flag icon use policy. It is me i think (talk) 20:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

HRC FAC

There. Done. I feel really bad that you're stuck doing all that because the nominator just didn't follow up. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		For going above and beyond the call of duty to deal with the Hillary Rodham Clinton FAC when the nominator didn't follow up. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

hillary did not call for ferraro's resignation

please see ferraro's talk page for my post in response to your edit of my contribution.Cubguy83 (talk) 19:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Kudos!

		The Original Barnstar
		If only more Wikipedians saw things with the reason and cogency in this talk page edit, this would be a far better project indeed. So what if I'm a little biased because you agreed with me twice...nice job anyway!  Frank  |  talk  00:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Caps at FAC

Regarding the conversation on Ealdgyth's page, see here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - yeah, I had no idea! I'm runnning out the door but I'll look at my sig later and fix it. Sheesh!! Tvoz →talk 15:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Forgot I did a quick fix on it already! Tvoz →talk 15:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

HRC restart

I'm out the door as well. I restarted the nom because the initial, lengthy issues have been sorted. If anyone asks, you can/should bring forward your own previous supports or opposes, if still applicable, but shouldn't bring forward anyone else's comments. Essentially, it's a new FAC. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Amusement of the day, complete with a warning hand

Vandalism warning

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Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Watchingobama"

Friendly warning. Discuss not blank out the article. Watchingobama (talk) 20:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record (why do I bother?): reverting to a redirect is not blanking the article; reporting that revert as vandalism is at best ignorant of what vandalism actually is; throwing the above template on my page is just plain silly. But follow his edits, friends - it only gets more absurd. Tvoz/talk 04:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Tvoz, you appear to have been editing Obama and Hillary related articles far too NPOVedly, and somewhat upset the neddies. Tsk! Tsk! LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, looks like we've been accused of being meatpuppets again. Woo!! --Bobblehead ^(rants) 22:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, I recognized him a couple of days ago when he weighed in on the FOP endorsement and I knew this was coming. So transparent. Oh well, I guess I'll mosey on over to AN/I and AN and see what we're up to, Bobble. (But I thought we were sockpuppets, not meatpuppets - is this a demotion or a step up? And what about Jersyko?) And as for you, LessH vU, what can I say - I get these paychecks from the campaigns, and what choice do I have but to distort their articles? The hard part is deciding which one to vandalize first. By the way, what's a neddie?Tvoz/talk 04:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Neddie Seagoon. If you need to understand British humour, you need to understand this individual and other guilty parties. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Kent State

Not sure what needs to be fixed. Yes, I live in Kent and attended the activities this year. What needs to be located in the archive? Badagnani (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

"super watchlist"

Explained here. xenocidic (talk) 03:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

FPC I'd Like Help With

I was just wondering if you wouldn't mind going to Portal:James Bond. I'd really appreciate any criticisms or support that you could provide for this Featured portal candidate. Thanks. Ultra! 20:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Laura

Oh it's no big deal Tvoz. I just happened to be glancing at the history and noticed your revision, and I'm sorry if I "beat you" to adding in Mrs. Bush's middle name. I think middle names are fine for infoboxes, because it's about official documentation (here's an example that I just participated in yesterday). It's good to talk to you again, though. --Happyme22 (talk) 00:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yiddish

Hi Tvoz, thanks for the info & I take your point. cheers Mick gold (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Amiel

Joseph Amiel seems notable but I just wanted verification. Just go ahead and provide links and reference and than remove the tag yourself. --Megapen (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday June 1st, Columbia University area Last: 3/16/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, elect a board of directors, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wiki Week bonanza, being planned with Columbia University students for September or October.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

Also, check out our regional US Wikimedia chapters blog Wiki Northeast (and we're open to guest posts).
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 00:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Me

Thanks for the kind words, Tvoz. :)--andreasegde (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Admin?

Hi Tvoz, A few weeks ago I asked SandyGeorgia for some recommendations on whom she thought would be good admins. Your name was one of the names that she mentioned. I've done a high level review of your contributions and am inclined to agree, but before I dig around deeper, I wanted to see if you were interested in running for Admin? If you are let me know, I won't guarantee that I'd nom ya, but I would check you out. (I'd also give you an honest assessment as to whether or not I thought you would pass.) If you want to see my other nominations, check out my talk page.Balloonman (talk) 07:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I've been asked before by several folks, but haven't wanted to go that route. I'll consider the possibility and let you know if I see it any differently this time, but probably won't. How about SandyGeorgia herself, is the obvious question! Tvoz/talk 03:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Not I :-) But should you decide to go for it, I've been pretty impressed with the homework Balloonman does to check out, prepare and present candidates, and I'd co-nom if you're interested. (See Jbmurray's and Slp1's RfAs.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sandy, I think you should run for 'Crat---skip the admin phase.Balloonman (talk) 04:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Or vice president. With a coach like Balloonman there is still time. —SusanLesch (talk) 04:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

This wonderful person (Tvoz) could run for anything at all, and she would win by a mile, or two, or fifteen. Whether she chooses to or not is entirely up to her, but I personally wouldn't want to lose her very valuable advice, contributions, humour (humor), and nice thoughts. There you go; I think that says it in a nutshell. Consider my opinions as very neutral, if you would like. :)--andreasegde (talk) 21:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Making the Dems Superdelegates a FL

Hi, Tvoz. I noticed that you were involved with Democratic officials/editing. Was wondering if you would mind working with me in making List of Democratic Party (United States) superdelegates, 2008 a featured list with me once the Dem. process is over. We can begin adding images/ital. papers./and clean up references. I will respond here. miranda 16:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

In principle, Miranda, sure - but ask me again when the time is here. I haven't looked at that list yet, so I don't know how much work is needed, but I'll try to pitch in and help out. (Would not likely be able to take the lead though.) Cheers Tvoz/talk 23:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

And now I've taken a look - ad a little time so I did a first pass on A-B of the list, adding italics and correcting publication names. I see the pub names aren't wikilinked - should they be? Tvoz/talk 01:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I think they should be, but since the superdelegates can change their position at any moment, I think we should wait until after the convention to fix up the page. miranda 02:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah - true - but when I'm in the mood for some mindless work I'll keep fixing things that should be fixed. Tvoz/talk 17:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Requests for your comment

I'm canvassing for general

• EXPERTISE re a pair of re-titling proposals for 2008 Barack Obama presidential campaign "controversies" daughter-articles----here and here. — Justmeherenow (   ) 08:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

"Clintonite"

It's not a negative term. It's simply a denomination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impm (talk • contribs) 00:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for your opinion

		Please Vote For Change We Can Believe In Or Even No Change at Obama Article
		Requesting your final opinion on the Bill Ayers language You previously !voted (here) on what language to use at the Barack Obama page. We're trying to get a consensus now. Please take another look at how the discussion has progressed (especially here) and consider what option might make the best consensus, then !vote again at Talk:Barack Obama#Call the question after detailed discussion: Option 3 or not?. Please keep in mind the discussion has been long, so if you can accept what seems to be a likely option, please do. This is one of Wikipedia's most prominent articles. Thank you. Noroton (talk) 23:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm the second highest contributor to the article, Noroton - I know it's one of the most prominent. I'll take a look, but please note that I didn't vote or !vote - I expressed an opinion. We don't vote or tally votes about these things - that's not how to achieve consensus - and frankly I'm not too happy with the way these discussions have developed on the talk page so I'm attempting to avoid it. However, I'll take another look and see if I am moved to express another opinion. Tvoz/talk 00:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I did this to try to get people to come to a consensus whether or not the consensus is their preferred option. It's not a majority vote, it's not a final decision, it's not even a vote, but I'm hoping to get people to coalesce around something and this gives them a way to do it. I think that will help get consensus later on other things. If people decide to support this way of doing this, they'll vote; if people don't, they won't vote or will object at the bottom of that section. Were you in favor of adding nothing? If so, you may be happy with no consensus, default to put nothing on the page, but I'm not. If enough editors rally around one option, we've got consensus. If people are as sick of this discussion as I am, that may happen. Noroton (talk) 00:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure that's really the best way to achieve consensus, by wearing people down - but I'll take a look later on tonight. By the way, we've had plenty of controversy on this page over the last year or more, and in the past we've reached real consensus on numerous things. Right now there are some POV pushers who may not let that happen which is a shame. We'll see. I remind you - this is not an article about a political candidate, it's supposed to be a biography of a notable individual - his whole life and career, not just a few hot items that some people want to use as cudgels against his candidacy. Tvoz/talk 01:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Additional talk section.

Just making sure you don't miss this section [11]. I'm not sure why there're so many polls or "sliding scales," but that's the latest. Shem^(talk) 19:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Good grief. We seem to have been invaded by a roving band of statisticians - or Republicans. Take your pick. Thanks for the pointer - I'll take yet another look. I must say I find it tedious to say the same thing over and over. Tvoz/talk

Carol McCain article

Since you doubted its need right as I was creating it :-), see Talk:Carol McCain for my rationale in doing so. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

3RR on Alan Dershowitz

This is a reminder you can be held accountable for 'gaming the system.' This is a warning to abide by the rules before further action is necessary.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Alan Dershowitz. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. 98.176.33.102 (talk)