User talk:Hersfold

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User abusing others

Hey Hersfold. You remember i told you about User:Dance-pop who never assumes good faith, is a bad editor and continuously abuses people if confronted for his/her bad edits. Well the situation is getting out of control. Many users have started complaining about him and its really giving a headache. Especially me, User:Realist2 and User:Efe have continuously asked Dance-pop to change his ways and stop abusing others but our requests fell on deaf ears. Check our talkpages for further clarification. I want your help in this matter to raise an ANI. "Legolas" (talk) 13:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Done at WP:ANI#Disruption at Lady GaGa. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help regarding this matter. Hope he learns from this incident. "Legolas" (talk) 05:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi, I've been scouting around for an adopter, and I think you might be a good fit. I often monitor Special:NewPages/Special:RecentChanges. I would like to get more experience on the article-editing side of things, but I'd also like to have someone to ask questions to (mostly CSD/AfD related). -Zeus-^u_c 20:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I can certainly help you around (although oddly enough it seems you've been around longer than I have ;-) ). I'm not the greatest article writer myself, as I tend to focus on the areas you do. What sorts of articles would you be interested in? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Even though I've been around longer, I've only been actively involved for less than a year. I'm mostly interested in cleanup-related stuff, not so much creation. What is your take on this? I came across this which I'm pretty sure is fiction, but I'm not sure if they're the same person. -Zeus-^u_c 22:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It's been deleted; that article was a clear violation of our Biographies of living people policy, and didn't really assert why she was notable either (you know how A7 works). An article could be made there (or rather at the title with correct capitalization) eventually, I'm sure, but it would need some pretty heavy referencing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm still a little hesitant with A7 when it's a big article because they seem more important, but I shouldn't do that I guess. You can reply here if you want, I'm watching the page. -Zeus-^u_c 22:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

That's actually a good thing; in this case, there were multiple problems with the article, and so it needed to go. If this article were about a company or something, though, it probably would be better to just prod it or something. It depends, but it usually is better to play it safe. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Disruption at GaGa

Hello I am Dance-pop, and this "little convention" needs to stop, I have not put unreliable source into articles. Your examples are taken out of context, how about checking my user talk, and the others( Realist, etc). So before you disscuss the disruption, how about looking at both sides of the story (adims need to be fair). The two users Realist and Legalos are the real antagnists. Efe has done nothing wrong. So if you dont stop this I will go to someone with higher authority--this is not a therat, perhaps a warning.Kind Regards.

                         Admins need to be fair, assume good faith at all times. Dance-pop (talk) 00:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I've actually been reviewing this for a few days now, and believe that Realist, etc. are correct in that your sources are not appropriate. You're welcome to explain this in more detail at ANI, however accusing me of not showing good faith isn't the best way to go here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I left a comment there. --Efe (talk) 00:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

First and foremst I didnt accuse you of anything, unless you think you dont have good faith. See you dont have enough evidence and I have done nothing wrong. You may think you have power of me, yet you dont.

C ya. The Rules are there to guide us, they are not LAW

No, rules are not law, especially on Wikipedia, however when your behavior is making things difficult for others to do what they wish to do, then it's my responsibility as an administrator to see that it stops. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

for your quick reversion of vandalism to my userpage! Qqqqqq (talk) 03:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Quite welcome. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Rangers F.C.

You semi-protected that page about six months ago. I just noticed this and wanted to let you know. If you think it is very likely that vandalism will just pick up again, I guess there's no point in even trying unprotection. Just letting you know in case it was an oversight, and you actually meant to eventually unprotect it. Cheers! -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here!} 07:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I can try unprotecting it, but it's got such a looong protection log that it'll probably just pick back up again. Thanks for the reminder. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

User_talk:Jsucooldude1#Ridge_push

Can you please follow up on this? - Mgm|^(talk) 08:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

A certain IP

Since your in on this whole Lady GaGa mess, you might want to keep an eye on this IP. I'll give you 3 guesses as to whom it belongs to. — R² 13:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It's probably been autoblocked, but I'll keep an eye out. Thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Soxwon

That was my fault :P Versus22 _talk 20:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

No, you did what you should have done; Huggle unfortunately didn't realize I shouldn't have reverted you, as it usually does, and I didn't notice the switch in time. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh wait, I think we got into edit conflicts there, as that user that you've warned by mistake undid the user page edit very quickly. I didn't even notice, until now. Versus22 _talk 20:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm confused. Oh well, at least it got handled. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Requesting 5 articles which were deleted

I notice that you are listed on: Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles.

I am requesting 6 articles which were deleted then redirected to be userfied, :):

• Energy and American Society to User:ikip/Energy and American Society
• Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood to User:ikip/Anaconda 4: Trail of Blood
• Tajik Wikipedia to User:ikip/Tajik Wikipedia
• Rudy Tabootie to User:ikip/Rudy Tabootie
• Craniac to User:ikip/Craniac
• James Wharton to User:ikip/James Wharton

From: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 November 15

Can you please move all 6 pages to my userspace, with the history intact (I am interested in who created the article, and when).

I really appreciate it. You are probably wondering why I ask. Well, I have spent my weekend on a graph found here: User:Ikip/AfD on average day. I am interested in what type of user gets their page deleted, etc....November 15 is just a day pulled out of a hat by another user.

Thanks :) Ikip (talk) 01:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like User:Xeno's already gotten these - the first two you've listed weren't actually deleted, so there's nothing to restore for those; they've just been moved to new titles. If you need any more brought back up, though, let me know. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

The Massacre

Heh, no problem. We all need a little help every once and a while. ;) Renaissancee (talk) 04:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your response

Thank you for your respons, I really appreciate your time.

The Stop sign is rather big, don't you think?

Thanks again.Ikip (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been thinking about changing that, but I haven't decided what to change it to yet... :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Please delete

Hi there, please could you delete Mixedkoldfire.gif and KoldFire.gif I uploaded them originally, but want them removed now.

Thanks! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KoldFire (talk • contribs)

Both deleted. Please make sure to sign your posts with (~~~~) in the future. ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Dance-pop

Hi Hersfold. I think you are the one who installed a block against User-Dance-pop. I think nothing has changed by the block, still the abuse and the threats continue along with the edit war. Just now i pinged him giving reasons for why some info can't be in a particular article, but alas, again started the threats. Could you please take a look in this again? Really sorry to bother you again, but i don't wanna get in vio of 3RR rule. "Legolas" (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

That's fine - I actually, wasn't the blocking admin last time, but I did bring it up on ANI, whereupon someone did end up blocking them. I'll take a look now. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Having taken a quick look, I would say for the record that your redirection of Beautiful, Dirty, Rich (Lady GaGa song) while the AfD was still ongoing was inappropriate - you should wait for a consensus to form before taking such an action, and right now there is no consensus at all on that article. However, Dance-pop is continuing to edit war over a misinterpretation of sources from what I can see. I just commented at Talk:Lady GaGa, and will leave a note on Dance-pop's talk page in just a moment. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 06:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The only reason i redirected Beautiful, Dirty, Rich (Lady GaGa song) was there was nothing different in the article than the previous version which was also redirected. No notability to administer a separate page for the article. Only releasing a music video doesnot comply a song to have a page. Then i let Dance-pop revert it because i put some points for improvement in his talkpage. I will wait to see the improvement on this article. If it still fails WP:NSONG i'll redirect it. Maybe that was wrong and i apologize for it. But the reason i came here is that its getting difficlut to edit any of the GaGa related article without Dance-pop abusing or shouting at others. I won't see bad edits or bad sources in any article. But thanks for your help always. A real sweets. :-) "Legolas" (talk) 06:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Even if it is kept, I'd recommend you go along with the consensus. If there's no consensus to support a redirect or merge, talk it over on the talk page of the article before you do so. And as you pointed out, if the article is improved there may be no need to take any action.

Anyway, I've left a long explanation of things and a firm warning on Dance-pop's talk page. I'll probably be hearing from him soon, so hopefully we can work things out then. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 06:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Ya, i know. Thanks for your help as always. :-) "Legolas" (talk) 06:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello to you again

Hi. You've probably expected me. My explanation will be short and I hop you reply. Im trying to be nice as possible (Im actually very frustraed and angry), everything you have said has been in your opinoin. So lets start at the death hole thing, that was a joke, dont you have a sense of humour, Im trying to have a bit of fun on wikipedia and help improve and create articles. I ALWAYS assume good faith. Again, You are not looking at both sides of the story (you should have contacted me about Legalos, and herad what I had to say, before I got this 'nasty' comment. I was wrongly blocked, and everyone should knows it. Thank you for your critism it helps, even though know one likes critizism. How did the death hole thing get me in troble the last time?(not a rhetrical question--I still dont know why I was blocked). I have tryed to contact estabisheld users about things but I have been ignored alot of times check my contributes(the only person to help is Efe. I have tryed to stop edit wars but some people carry it on. I like to do things fast, that the way I am, thats the way I'll be. My sources are genreally correct and I dont hesitate to change anything when I know Im right. Why cant we use primary sources, Historians do (thats how we gat the right information). The Rules are there to guide us, they are not LAW. I said I would be short (I could write an article or essay for you). Before I go babbling on I'll finish. I was wrongly blocked and proved it as well, have found some users must go to a higher power when they cant solve things (Legalos even threatend me-he said he would go to the ANI). I am shocked at some users and how they deal with things. Wikipedia needs to change. My comments are sometimes harsh they are NOT abusive. I cant change who I am, cause thats me. I hope you relpy to this message. Thanks, C ya.Dance-pop (talk) 06:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh. And I see you know Legalos, A third party should of talked me because we have delt with each other before. You could be bias toward me, you know the rules please follow tham. I am angry that I could have been delt with wrongly :( 06:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I was contacted by Legolas concerning this, yes; however, that does not mean I've taken care to review both sides of the argument. I do not believe any action I've taken would indicate that I am biased one way or another. If this is the case, please point out how. Otherwise, this is somewhat what I'm talking about with the assuming good faith thing. Just because someone is saying you need to slow down and discuss things does not mean they are threatening you, and just because I felt there was a need to discuss things with you does not mean I'm not following the rules. In some cases, a post at ANI can help ensure that someone isn't overreacting by getting some outside opinions on the matter. That's why I brought the previous issue there myself.

As for your block, you were blocked because you were continually reverting other's edits and ignoring the consensus on those articles. This is what we call an edit war. Since Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, it is very disruptive to have one editor preventing others from making edits. Several editors, myself included, tried to explain this to you, but you continued to revert edits and make comments such as this one definitely imply that you are not open to communication or even willing to stop the disruptive behavior. That's what got you blocked.

Your more recent actions, from what I can see, are very similar. You are continuing to revert edits with little discussion, and you are making comments that are not conducive to discussion. The Sparta thing was one of these - even if you intended it as a joke, in the context you provided, it looks like an attack or threat. "Dont make this personal Legalos, because there are consequence, believe me consequence. [...] Becarful. "Maddness.....This is sparta, and I kick you in the death hole." I'm having a hard time seeing how that was supposed to be received as a joke.

I do agree that the rules on Wikipedia are not (usually) law, but are more guides; however, when an editor's actions begin to infringe on another's rights as an editor, it is the responsibility of administrators such as myself to take steps to stop the disruption. That is why we were given the tools we have. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The death hole things is a bit of misunderstanding, , my first message was and I quote (check my contbutes, or leagloses)" This maddness and you say..." and when he didnt reply I finished of for him. But I see what you mean. I will tell you how you are biased, Legalos asked you to deal with me, so your probably already in his favour(your frineds). It is your opinion that I am in an edit war( do you think I want an edit war), I still think there wasnt signifcant evidence to block me and edit wrrings is to be repoted at 3RR violations and vandilism at ongoing vandlism. So here is some constructive and positive critism to help you like how you helped me-->talk to both users first before telling them what to do, dont deal with users you have delt with before(theres room for bias. Thanks.Bye.Dance-pop (talk) 04:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Party Down Scandal (LG Williams)

Would you mind forwarding me the deleted content from the earlier version of talk:Party Down Scandal (LG Williams)? (the talk page) I'll run things through AFD but it would be good to have my comments from last year. Thanks heaps. Debate 木 22:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Emailed to you. Once the debate starts up, I may just restore it depending on how much you refer to those comments in your nomination. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! In the absence of the original talk page being restored I'll most likely post the substance of my previous contributions to the new talk page, however either option is fine with me. Debate 木 23:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Disscussion Future pop at GaGa

Anyways however reliable a source maybe, the genre future-pop needs to be established by a third party, untill then we cannot add it to the article. They will burn it at the GA then. "Legolas" (talk) 12:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

So we cant use primary sources. What about ref 5 on lady gaga which is primary source.Should all information about that be taken off.Dance-pop (talk) 04:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi regarding these comments should the sources from lady gagas site be deleted too with info. I think it should if mines were deleted, if not mine should go on the article, not in the info. box., by the way she is the only one who will ever say my genre is future pop(because she is descriiong her music, so must go on the article, unless there is a third paty who says she describes it as that). Should it be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dance-pop (talk • contribs)

I'm having a hard time understanding what you're asking here - mind you I'm not feeling very well at the moment, but this doesn't seem very clear to me. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm trolled :(

Hey i have been trolled!! Please take a look. Also check out the user name concern. "Legolas" (talk) 05:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Those comments were way out of line. I've blocked Dance-pop for a week, hopefully that will be sufficient. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. By the way, how do you like my new sign?? . Could you tell me how to include a specific font in my sign? --Legolas!! ^(talktome) 04:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The code for that is in my signature. style="font-family:FONT NAME;" Note that if someone's computer doesn't have that font, then it'll replace it with something else, occasionally with weird results. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Hersfold as always. --Legolas!! ^(talktome) 03:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Status Template

Hi Hersfold. I recently discovered your status template and decided to add it to my user page. I followed all the instructions outlined at User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate, but it keeps telling me my status is 'lost'. I've spent the last hour trying to see what I've done wrong, but I can't find anything. It's probably really something very simple, but would you please mind taking a look for me when you have a spare minute or two. I'd really appreciate it. Many thanks, Schumi555 (talk) 21:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Schumi. It looks like you're trying to edit the status page manually; the colored links at the bottom of the template should automatically edit the page for you when you click on them. If the reason you're doing it manually is because the script isn't working right (you just get the edit box, but nothing's changed and it doesn't automatically save), then try following these steps:

1. Bypass your cache, even if you've already done so. Do this a couple times, then try again.
2. If that didn't work, purge your userpage, then try again.
3. If that didn't work, try completely clearing your browser's cache (instructions in the link in step 1), then purge your userpage once more, and try again.
4. If that didn't work, try logging out, closing your browser, starting it up again, logging back in, then going to your userpage and trying once more.
5. If you're still not getting it to work, log out, close the browser, restart your computer, log back in, and try the template one last time.
6. If even that doesn't work, then take a deep breath, try not to kill your computer, but let me know and I'll try to look into it more.

The reason I'm having you do what seems to be a ridiculous imitation of the hokey pokey is that the problem is almost certainly on your end. It does appear as though you've followed all the steps correctly (status page exists, you installed the script, you added the template), and I just checked the links and they are working correctly. So, the only thing I can imagine to be the problem would be that your computer doesn't realize you've installed the script. The steps I've given you should be the digital equivalent of beating it over the head with a frying pan until it listens to you. Of course, nothing is ever foolproof, and it's possible (albeit unlikely) it still won't work after all that. Again, if that is the case, drop me another message and I'll try to work things out. Best of luck! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks a lot for your help :) But I'm afraid after following your instructions it still doesn't seem to want to play ball :@ Anything else you could suggest? Many thanks, Schumi555 (talk) 13:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

What browser and OS are you using? –xeno (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm using Firefox 3.0.6, and Windows Vista. Schumi555 (talk) 14:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I got nothing. –xeno (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I must also confess that I'm totally confused. There shouldn't be anything preventing it from working. You're not the only one to have this happen, though: Last month a similar issue was reported, again with no results. According to the user, it magically began working a couple weeks later, although looking at his status page I think his was more of a browser cache issue. The only other thing I can suggest is to make sure you have javascript turned on (Tools menu -> Options... -> Content tab -> Enable Javascript), and if it's not, to turn it on and then repeat the whole rigmarole above again. Otherwise, it could just be that it needs some time to sink in. Sorry I can't be of more help, but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Java is enabled...hmmmm. Thanks for your time anyway, I'll let you know if it suddenly begins working in the next couple of weeks. Kind regards, Schumi555 (talk) 15:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi

I'm not even sure what the bullying is. What are the different viewpoints about Claude La Badarian?

I thought his information had been deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taffee girl (talk • contribs)

Partial reply on your talk page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you explain to me the situation?

Somehow our messages keep crossing. I'm watching your user talk page, so you don't need to post here, don't worry. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Am I to understand that there is nothing I can do? It's this one List of works by William Monahan. Before this I had a good opinion of wikipedia but I'm now changing my mind. Can I please know some of the people who are bullying my friend. I won't reveal his name but he is the one who wrote all of the stuff about William Monahan. What? My friend was banned? Who can ban someone? I am not a meat pet. I'm allowed to show concern about this.

Just forget about it. I don't have time to learn all about these rules. Bye

Suit yourself; there's a bit of an explanation on your talk page should you change your mind. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

hello

Hi, thanks for the notice, I forgot what edit I did, please refresh my memory! Thanks! I will try not to do it again what ever it was. :)

69.206.224.176 (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Apologies and thanks

Hi, just dropped a note to apologise for the inconvenience caused by the unblock review and also to thank you for explaining/clearing things up to me, at least I know what not to do in the future. Much appreciated! I would have dropped a note earlier but....well.... had to wait for my block expire hah hah (embarrassed laugh) Zhanzhao (talk) 23:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)