Talk:Toasting (Jamaican music)

Toast vs. Rap

As someone unfamiliar with the subject, I'd like this encyclopedia article to discern between toasting and rapping. What's the difference -- and how did one lead to the other? Cribcage 21:17, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

They're both talking over music, but toasting precedes rap. I intend to expand this page when time allows! Paul Tracy 14:09, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oppose. "Toasting" can have two separate meanings: 1) African American folk poetry, or 2) Jamaican DeeJay shout-outs, but DeeJay (which includes toasting as well as ragga-style rapping) is strictly a Jamaican art form. Badagnani 21:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Oppose. See the Toasters for an example of Toasting. Deejaying is not close to the same thing.

Oppose i agree toasting is an aspect of deejaying and the article is quite complete therefore i do not believe it should be merged

What we should do is be more specific in discerning it from rapping. Because it has a history that is specifically important to the development of rap, and because you don't need to always be a DJ when you're toasting, I Oppose merger.--Urthogie 17:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Oppose. Which came first, the toast or the rap? The toast, of course. I own a CD titled "Get Your Ass In The Water And Swim Like Me!" from Rounder Records, CD 2014, UPC 011661201422 that clearly demonstrates what toasting is, and I would have to say that this is very much different from what your average person knows rapping to be. On this CD there are 3 versions of "The Signifying Monkey", and Cab Calloway (swing artist) sings a rendition of the signifying monkey, entitled "The Jungle King" on one of his own albums--indicating that not all toasts are turned into rap. I like toasts, but I generally do not like rap, so there is definitely a difference between them justifying seperate definitions.

?????. I'm not sure what you are all opposing. Where was a merger mooted?Paul Tracy_|\talk

Move

How can this possibly be the primary meaning? I think both toast (honor) and regular toasting are used more often. Superm401 - Talk 17:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That's right, but there's one thing. The old name of this article was "toasting", not "toast". The "toast" definitely has other meaning that require encyclopedic articles. "Toast", not "toasting", When it comes to "toasting", the primary and probaby the only encyclopedic meaning for this term is the style of vocal. For regular toasting with drinks, an encyclopedic article should be under "Toast", not "Toasting". So it's perfectly OK to have the article on dancehall vocal at "Toasting". Additionally, "Deejaying" title may be misleading, especially when we consider the prenece of deejay article. The statement "A deejay is a person who does toasting" makes much more sense than "A deejay is a person who does deejaying". Thus let's move the article back to "Toasting". Netrat (talk) 00:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. I am teetotal and to me the primary meaning of "toasting" is what is done to a slice of bread. Also there is the drinkers' meaning. To me, the use by disk-jockeys comes third. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)