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Your note

Thanks for your note. It was [i]really[/i] informative and helpful. Steve Smith (talk) 02:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Pefect! :-) Cheers. Proofreader77 (talk) 03:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Except for the part where I apparently believe Wikipedia is written in PHP. Steve Smith (talk) 22:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

And, um, that part where I spelled "Perfect" "Pefect." lol (I wish I had been clever enough to have done that intentionally. :-) Proofreader77 (talk) 00:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Moving on

It seems like a waste of time to me. I would like to see you more gainfully employed. Off2riorob (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't we all. lol Are you volunteering to take over as NPOV sheriff? :-)

(Psst ... You mentioned someone, but didn't notify them. Of course, I wouldn't have known if not for CoM. See above. :-)

Note that I put summary back to Benjiboi-edit size for top. (New info at bottom, of course.)
-- Proofreader77 (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, shall I notify? It is only recommended afaik, he should be paying attention. ..of course if it was a big issue I would notify him. As regards the volunteering..I have more than enough to keep me busy at the moment.Off2riorob (talk) 00:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Too late, now. (And good that you didn't. lol) ...

About volunteering — what if I make you a fancy "BLP-NPOV SHERIFF" badge, and a genuine bogus Get-out-of-ANI-free card? :-) Proofreader77 (talk) 00:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Now your talking.. Off2riorob (talk) 07:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Tea for 2?

Merry Christmas, regards, Justin talk 20:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely! And Merry Christmas to you! (lol I couldn't remember where the Tea came from... Funny how you forget what you've done between 4-6 AM :-) Proofreader77 (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Self-acknowledgment of 3RR on Roman Polanski

Noting ongoing contention with WP:SPA which must find better solution. Proofreader77 (talk) 07:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Timestamp

Proofreader77 (talk) 09:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Proofreader77/SandboxA

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User:Proofreader77/SandboxA, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Proofreader77/SandboxA and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Proofreader77/SandboxA during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Pcap ping 14:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• Follow-up: withdrawn by nominator -- Proofreader77 (talk) 20:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

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Have Requested Checkuser

Please see recent thread at ANI, alleging that I am your sock.

I don't find this at all amusing.

I have requested checkuser. I do not know if that requires something from you.

Am leaving WP. Enjoy. Oberonfitch (talk) 23:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Checkuser: Doubt it will come to that, but nothing any of us has to do. That's up to the editor with checkuser power.

Ah, when your head explodes three times (allusion to archived joke) ... then, yes, that's the time to float away (your userpage reference :-).

May you be blessed in all your endeavors.
Proofreader77 (talk) 02:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

• You can't request checkuser about yourself, it is a simple smokescreen away from his own discrepancies, ignore it. Off2riorob (talk) 02:12, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Off2riorob. Always meant to ask if you had been to Rio? Oberonfitch (talk) 02:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Course I have. Off2riorob (talk) 02:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

(Doh!) Well, I am complete idiot. lol Everytime I typed you're username, it didn't cross my mind to actually read it. lol A REVELATION, at last! Proofreader77 (talk) 02:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

• Proof, Thanks so much for remembering head exploding episode, I was able to find a replacement which isn't as pretty as the last one, but will do. I'm touched. I'm working now on a story drawing heavily on my experiences with editing a virtual encyclopedia; (not this one, of course!), and hope to have rough draft by the end of the year. Hope that your Western Themed Musical comes together quickly, and let me know if you need any props. Oberonfitch (talk) 02:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Much better project. :-) Wonderful. I certainly will. Proofreader77 (talk) 02:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

• doh, looking out of my window... Two thirds of the worlds geezers are in Yellowstone Park ? Off2riorob (talk) 02:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

  Oooo... a disambiguation game. :-) Let me ponder that one. (Reminder: Very sleepy ... brain my not connect:) Proofreader77 (talk) 02:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

• • Run away Off2rio, Run away! The great caldera, it could rise from the bottom of that lake and blow us all to bits. I am, unfortunately, just short of the projected end of the pyroclastic flow. I will be incinerated like the denizens of Pompeii. (I'd offer you a place to stay, but you see the futility of it.) Oberonfitch (talk) 02:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Great, after all that show-offy effort, I find that you want geysers instead of geezers. Not technically homophones, and I'm not sure of any overlap. Both spray? Oberonfitch (talk) 02:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
      • Oh, I said said brain cells were brush ... I was imagining a huge migration of senior citizens ... inspired by free ____________ ( my mind is blank ) Proofreader77 (talk) 02:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
        • Inspired by free healthcare. A quick dip in a sulphur pool takes care of what ails you.Oberonfitch (talk) 02:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
          • Excellent. Now I know who ask to finish my sentences. lol

            Is that really the view out your window in the morning? Outstanding. Beautiful for the spirit. Proofreader77 (talk) 03:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

          • Sorry Proof, you stomped on three intervening edits of mine, and you know I am just not all that good with the software. So, finishing your sentence was like, fair. You know? LOL Oberonfitch (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Disclaimer about bathing in sulphur springs in Yellowstone. I believe the term is "parboiled." Oberonfitch (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I have editing issues globally to deal with around the wiki, this amusing discussion is a welcome light relief...it is late my friends..he he..you guys. Off2riorob (talk) 03:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this has been fun... Must have an annual Christmas Checkuser Party. :-) Cheers! Proofreader77 (talk) 03:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

The list

I don't think it is notable and I don't think a reliable source will have printed the names, like the Guardian cite you found, they have some names that I suspect they had got verbal confirmations from the people but the list is a primary source and a BLP problem. The discussion has only just started, vote to keep if that is your position, that is fine by me but I feel that there are issues with the list and as I said I already had to remove the blp issue added by the ip 77... Off2riorob (talk) 03:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I just had to contest someone deleting my Sandbox. lol ... Now more time wasted on this. It is a notable petition. More holiday fun. :(OProofreader77 (talk) 04:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

"a typical failure of the process"

Hi Proofreader77, thanks for your message. In the particular instance I was talking about, an editor made a complaint about an administrator's behavior, and all the replies (especially those by User:Baseball Bugs) were focused on the character/identity of the complainant rather than examining the validity/significance of the charge. Robert K S (talk) 06:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

You cannot imagine how perfect that answer is. (Or maybe you can.:) Thank you very much. And again, happy holidays ... and many delights in the year to come. Proofreader77 (talk) 06:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

• Note: PLAXICO and Bugs (See: WP:PLAXICO Proofreader77 (talk) 00:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
• adjusted text {{AIV|c}} Proofreader77 (talk) 00:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Content dispute. Consider dispute resolution.

(Note to self) Ironic funny

Consider Clique problem... No not one you think. A comp sci problem. But some players are interested. (See the collection)Proofreader77 (talk) 13:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays...

...And thanks for this, I'm still laughing! Spitfire^Tally-ho! 21:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Me too, and bless you. (ROFL, you've made me laugh more ... that's wonderful) Proofreader77 (talk) 21:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for the kind words! I do not believe we have ever had the chance to interact, which is a shame as it seems we share similar views. I am neither evil or good; I just do my best to improve those articles I have knowledge about, and hope that where I see someone feeling left out or disenfranchised by Wikipedia I can lend some encouragement and hope their voice can be put out there, everyone should be encouraged to voice their opinion, whether it be right or wrong. I get heated by those who tell others that their comments are "wrong" or that they "dont know Wikipedia policy and so shouldnt comment" (a real response I have seen many times).Camelbinky (talk) 22:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

(smiling joyfully) I am very sensitive to beauty in idea and rhetorical form — sufficiently so that (too much information lol) that a tear will form in one eye or the other when witnessing it. Above, in your words (and those before), has led me to find the tissue box. lol (Over-the-top, I know, but tis true). I.E., I suspect you're "good." :-) Cheers. Proofreader77 (talk) 23:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

(Note to self) SirFozzie gives up silly for sociality :-) lol

Changing user page lede

Before ArbCom election

“ Thought of the Day: One must occasionally give into the urge to be silly. It keeps the soul from hardening ”

After ArbCom election

“ Thank you to the 993 voters in the recent 2009 ArbCom election. ”

Comment

No more silly ArbComs! lol Proofreader77 (talk) 08:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

ANI proposals

Waste of time :-) ... Hmmm, maybe not ;-)

I dispute that I should be topic banned from anywhere, you need to understand that actions like that have long term ramifications. Off2riorob (talk) 11:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC) I agree. But given we are all exhausted, I thought a magic solution for Christmas was for all to walk away. Note: I've asked someone about a "subtopic ban" (lol) for just Roman Polanski#Sexual assault case. This is a special case. The most honorable topic banning in Wikipedia history. :-) Ponder a moment. lol Proofreader77 (talk) 11:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC) No, I have done nothing to warrant a topic ban and I will not volunteer for one, things like that go against you if ever you want a position of trust. Off2riorob (talk) 12:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC) A ban aside (and I have already added an addendum at ANI), isn't it true that you have no interest in editing the Sexual assault section at this time? Aren't we all tired? Would you agree to, on your honor, say you would not be editing the article for the next few months? Proofreader77 (talk) 12:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC) No.... Off2riorob (talk) 13:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC) Acknowledged. Proofreader77 (talk) 13:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

• Stats: 3939 characters lol

Note for Tombaker321

Well, if I'd taken you to AN3, you would have gotten 31? hours ... and you'd have been freed in 3. :-) We could have saved a whole lot of time. lol PS: 3939 characters at ANI (counting signature/dates) Proofreader77 (talk) 16:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

• But then we would have missed some things worth experiencing. (Amazing what some sleep will do for perspective.) Happy holidays to you. Proofreader77 (talk) 22:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Misc timestamps

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• 07:04 G

VHA

ip and spa

Useful template (ANI note)

“ FYI, {{quotedfrom}} would have been useful, e.g. — Preceding text originally posted here by Rlevse (talk⋅contribs) 11:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC) → "—The preceding text was posted here by Rlevse (talk⋅contribs), 11:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)." instead of copying the signature. — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 17:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC) ”

AN thread

While I don't mind your starting the initial thread at AN, your recent edit-warring over it is getting disruptive. Please stop now, before you breach WP:3RR or WP:DE. It would be quite unfortunate if a thread started, I assume to spread holiday cheer, ends up with blocks being necessary. Cheers. Abecedare (talk)

I was composing a message here, when I received your warning. I believe we all know the rules of 3RR ... The leap to aspersion of WP:DE, following your expressed understanding here is inappropriate. I respectfully ask you withdraw the warning from my user [talk] page. Proofreader77 (talk) 01:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC) copied from my talk page to keep conversation consolidated. Abecedare (talk) 01:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I do hope you take my above message seriously. If I recall correctly, User:Gwen Gale had offered to mentor you and answer your questions when your activities at ANI had become too disruptive the last time - if you need a second opinion, I would highly recommend that you approach her (or any other experienced user you trust) on her talkpage. Abecedare (talk) 01:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted your latest disruptive post to an archived thread. if you continue to violate your editing-restrictions, you are liable to be blocked. Please stop. Abecedare (talk) 14:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

FYI, I have also requested a second opinion. Abecedare (talk) 14:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Documentation

• Request for reconsideration of aspersion of WP:DE (we all know 3RR)
• Response by Abecedare above (Sentence 1) I do hope you take my above message seriously. (I.E., classifies warning as as non-serious.)
• Re: Response by Abecedare above (beyond sentence 1, shifts to serious). Note: Previous result of (to be illustrated) improper ANI to be addressed in appropriate forum (apparently Arbcom, given: all issues arose there with no prior discussion on my talk page regarding any matter at any time).
• Details regarding AN topic at issue: Proposed admin commandment; Thou shalt not block ... for being mocked

• Previous reaction by desysopped editor to discussion that displeases them on AN
• Same editor collapsing said discussion (Fat man)
• Incivility by same editor
• Same editor marking topic they don't like resolved
• Same editor undoing of Proofreader77's undoing of that editor's improper resolve
• Abecedare's archive lock of topic disliked by desysopped editor who shuts down topic(s) they don't like
• Abecedare's earlier comment regarding the topic indicating impression of acceptable holiday lightness
• Noting that "disruption" was by the editor who did not like the topic (as they had not liked previous AN topic re "Fatman"). Abecedare's support of (effective) censorship by desysopped editor is noted with strong objection.

• Notification of delightful addition of new policy essay Wikipedia:Thou shalt not block for being mocked. :-)

(Further documentation bullets may be added to above. ) Proofreader77 (talk) 02:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

FYI: Proofreader77 "disrupts" the following:

1. WP:Vandalism (5,000+ articles)
2. WP:BLP/NPOV attacks/imbalancing assaults (especially related to current events) (and more subtle attempts to unbalance) i.e., "counterbalance" strenuous attempts to unbalance.
3. Discussion disruption e.g., Desysopped administrators who disrupt AN discussions they don't like
4. Improper actions by anyone (bit or not)
5. Online bullying
6. ...

-- Proofreader77 (talk) 04:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Thou shalt not block for being mocked

In light of the ANI thread that was just closed, I've written an essay that sums up what I personally interpreted your post to be about. Feel free to add improvements at will. :) (X! · talk)  · @116  ·  01:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Self acknowledgment of 3RR on WP:AN reverting improper actions

There will be follow up regarding the behavior of desysopped editor Ryulong Note: 3rd prompted by this] Proofreader77 (talk) 04:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

A little discussion

Hey Proof, whats going on? Off2riorob (talk) 14:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

restrictions widened

Given this earlier thread at ANI, followed lately by this romp of yours at AN, I'm putting you under wider editing restrictions.

• Talk and project pages are meant only for talking about ways to help the project. Although trying to have fun with how one puts things can sometimes be helpful and is often welcome here, you've let this stray into unhelpful baiting, pointiness and disruption. Please don't do that again.

• You are not allowed to make any talk or project page contributions longer than 1000 bytes (or 100 words, whichever is easier to gauge/enforce).

• You are not allowed to make more than 10 contributions per day to any one talk or project page.

• If you exceed these limits any editor may use {{collapse}} or alikened templates to redact the breaches.

• Admins are asked to modify or remove the tags and templates of any post you make, specifically those relating to color, bolding, all caps, small caps or underlining on any wiki page.

• If you seek and successfully obtain mentorship for help with your idiosyncratic style and make meaningful progress improving your communication skills, these restrictions may be lifted by a consensus of editors.

• If you stray from any of these restrictions, I (or another admin) will most likely block you from editing. Blocks will lengthen if you carry on beyond the bounds of these restrictions. You can appeal this at ANI or with arbcom. However, there seems to be a consensus that you've abused ANI already and if you do this again, you'll be restricted from posting there too. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)