Talk:Oldest people

"Henny van Andel"

Isn't this a bit too casual in reference to Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper? It appears in the table for the list of national longevity recordholders. Brendanology (talk) 08:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Betsy Baker

[1] It says that Baker held her title beginning on November 20, 1948 and lasting until her death, making her age when she held the title 106 – 113 instead of ? – 113. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendanology (talk • contribs) 12:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Oldest living people since 1955

I have an issue with the layout of the table, and all the other tables for local records as well. Seeing as the longevity recordholders for 1899 are two people tied for the title (both born on 1 Jan 1899), imagine if there were two people contending for oldest living person in the future, and one of them dies but the other continues to live? How will the "Title Held From/To" dates be logged? How will it be presented on the table? YES, I know this is extremely unlikely, but we have to consider the possibility. After all, Bernice Madigan, Ruth Anderson and Elsie Ward were all born on 24 July 1899. Brendanology (talk) 11:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Seems to me that one of those people may be declared "oldest" if and when, if time of day of birth can be determined. Otherwise, it might simply be a joint title, then a single title-holder. Don't foresee a real problem here at all. Canada Jack (talk) 15:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

If Tomoji Tanabe had died a year earlier, we would have had this very situation. Both George Francis and Henry Allingham were born on June 6 1896, and would have been technically tied for the title of "oldest man in the world." Allingham probably would have been given the title since June 6 came earlier in England than in California (but I'm not sure of either man's birthplace). Sadly, Francis died before this could be an issue, and when Tanabe died, Allingham held the undisputed title by himself.

96.13.40.120 (talk) 04:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)BParsons

If the time of day was known for these two, one might have been declared oldest man. Still don't see an issue even if a joint title of oldest man was declared. We could simply say "held joint title" for x days, then sole title for y days, for a total of x+y days. So, a joint listing, followed by a solo listing, with "title held" for both. Canada Jack (talk) 17:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, I misunderstood. I thought you were commenting on the unlikeliness of two joint title holders. I agree with you that this would actually be no problem. I had hoped that both Francis and Allingham would live long enough to both hold the title. If nothing else, it would have made a good "Ripley's Believe it or Not" item.

216.134.15.239 (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)BParsons

That's a good suggestion, Canada Jack. I think it'd be too nitpicky to try and find the time of birth of each of the tied titleholders, so for the sake of presentation your suggestion is definitely better. Brendan_ology 12:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Chinese supercentenarians

Why is it that there are little, if any, fully verified Chinese supercentenarians? Seems rather strange to me. China has 3 billion people, isn't there a single 110-year-old or above? VERIFIED Chinese supercentenarians, I repeat. Brendan_ology 13:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Just for the record, it's nowhere near 3 billion, it's more like 1.3. But I take your basic point; it is odd.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Life expectancy is lower, records are sparse. Quantity on its own says nothing. China probably has about the same number of supercentenarians as France or the UK (going by estimates on the number of centenarians and that life expectancy at those ages in China compared to France/UK would be lower). Some claimants are known about, but without documentation being provided they won't be officially validated. There's a difficult language barrier and organisations that verify supercentenarians lack correspondents in certain parts of the world. Given China is such a large and diverse country, dozens of correspondents would probably be needed. SiameseTurtle (talk) 18:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Stanley Lucas

Why can't we put Stanley Lucas (turned 110 on January 15) on the list of verified male supercentenarians? He is listed as 1 year old in the 1901 British census. It just seems odd to me that he is not here. 98.234.188.71 (talk) 01:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

maybe because of the recency... he is listed at List of living supercentenarians as "unverified" (tied for #54 on the list as of this writing) - I'm thinking the issue is not that he is 110 or not, but is he "verified" yet?Cander0000 (talk) 06:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

We go by cases as confirmed by GRG and other gerontology authorities. The census data, on its own, will not normally be enough, as there are other documents needed to establish that the person who claimed to have turned 110 is the same person in the census. Canada Jack (talk) 16:13, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, if Lucas does get added, we'll finally have a third male on the list. I've been looking forward to that. Brendanology^TalK 11:31, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

110years, oldest Polish man.

http://www.prezydent.pl/aktualnosci/wypowiedzi-prezydenta/listy/art,673,list-z-okazji-110-urodzin-jozefa-kowalskiego.html

CONFIRMED by polish gouvernment —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.222.86.48 (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, ironically, governments are not a reliable source for longevity claims. There are currently several very ancient people alive, according to "government records" around the world. Only sources like the Gerentology Research Group or Guiness Book of World Records are accepted on this site. 96.13.62.231 (talk) 05:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)Flash Prescott

We see the government of Cuba promoting questionable claims, for example. However, for the Polish man, if there are war records and other documents then the case can be submitted to Guinness World Records or the GRG.Ryoung122 06:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree he is a confirmed WW1 era veteran . This was proved 3 years ago when he was placed on the verified list. Why he is not on the 110 year old man list after being verified 3 years ago is baffling. The only way he would be verified a WWI era vet is that he had discharge papers with his name and birth date on them. Thus proving he is 110 years old and a verified veteran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.70.179 (talk) 01:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Najdłużej obecnie żyjący Polacy

Miejsce	Imię i nazwisko	Aktualny wiek	Data urodzenia	Województwo
1	Marianna Ostrowska	112	5 sierpnia 1897	podlaskie
2	Michalina Wasilewska	111	21 grudnia 1898	mazowieckie
3	Józef Kowalski	110	2 lutego 1900	lubuskie
4	Apolonia Lisowska	110	18 lutego 1900	mazowieckie
5	Julianna Szewczyk	109	1 czerwca 1900	mazowieckie
6	Julianna Garbacz	109	czerwiec 1900	świętokrzyskie
7	Jadwiga Wrzos	109	1 listopada 1900	mazowieckie
8	Helena Kucharska	108	21 października 1901	kujawsko-pomorskie
9	Konstanty Jung	108	1 listopada 1901	lubelskie
10	Bolesław Krugło	108	22 stycznia 1902	wielkopolskie
11	Marianna Misiewicz	108	26 stycznia 1902	podlaskie
12	Marta Chylewska	107	8 października 1902	pomorskie
13	Marianna Szewczyk	107	7 grudnia 1902	wielkopolskie
14	Aleksandra Dranka	106	3 października 1903	podkarpackie
15	Franciszka Rogowska	106	14 października 1903	pomorskie

Juana Bautista

The Cuban government confirmed that Juana Bautista celebrated her 125th birthday on February 2nd, 2010. Guinness hasn't yet investigated the case. Is Guinness seen as the ultimate authority of all records or is the Cuban government good enough? Should she at least be noted as "unconfirmed?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.132.168 (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

The Soviet Government once "confirmed" a man to have lived over 160 years. On the list of most trustworthy sources, political governments don't even make the top 25. Unless someone can come up with some phenomenal proof of this age, Guinness will not waste its time. But I'm willing to bet that if you check her children, you will find that she "gave birth" to some of them well past 50 or 60 years old, as is usually the case. Then, we have to wonder why the Cuban government did not make notice of her at 110, 115, or 120. Those are all pretty phenomental milestones. I predict that before the year is out, some other government will suddenly "discover" another senior citizen who is 120-130 years old, and still cultivates his/her own garden or walks to the market every day. The US once had a lot of alleged 120-130 year old people, but after groups such as the GRG suddenly started following supercentanarians, the number strangely diminished. This is probably a woman using her mother's (or grandmother's) birth certificate or other data. If somehow she can be confirmed, I will be the first one to eat crow on this, and I will do it gladly. I would love to see someone break Ms. Calment's record. 96.13.90.237 (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)Flash Prescott

No human has lived to a confirmed 123 birthday and this is 2 years past that fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.70.179 (talk) 03:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)