Talk:Telectronics

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I am User Geoffrey Wickham Co-founder of the company Telectronics Pty Ltd. Persistant modifications to the page are being made by Christopher Gray, son of other co-founder, the late Noel Gray using IP's including 203.217.84.96, 203.214.139.165, 203.214.136.14, 203.206.228.34, 203.217.65.47, 203.158.46.74, 203.206.228.56,210.84.38.207,203.206.254.253,203.217.56.233,203.158.52.94.
C Gray was a boy at the time of the historical events & has made no effort to check the veracity of his view of history by open minded discussion with any of the other persons who were involved in the early years of the company. In those contacts which he has made with others, including me, he has resorted to shouting insults if their view disagrees with his.
His edits are intended to carry forward inaccuracies, fantasy and defamation contained in the private publication "Telectronics, The Early Years", Gray N D & Gray C J, 1994.
Of greatest concern to me, in his latest edits, is deletion of the names Jeffcoat and Nicks whose research and contact with Telectronics led to the company commencing cardiac pacemaker research in 1964.
Feb 2nd 2006 GW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffrey Wickham (talk • contribs) 02:51, February 1, 2006 (UTC) Apolgies, I have now learned how to 'sign'.none 05:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

oops, still learning. Geoffrey Wickham139.168.53.252 05:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I will note that there is only circumstantial evidence that these IPs are related to Christopher Gray. And that the other claims here are yet to be verified. —WAvegetarian^TALK_CONTRIBS^EMAIL 19:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The references for Telectronics all say 1963 and no mention of jefffcoat is made at the time events occured so wake up and read the refferences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.228.120 (talk • contribs)

To Christopher Gray, please do not be insulting. It would also be gentlemanly of you to cease the anonymity of Ip's and register as a User.

The references you cite are newspaper and magazine clippings of 'feature stories' which are most unreliable sources of historical fact, as the journalists write their story around whatever is said to them by whoever at the time of interview.

I cite: National Heart Foundation Grant G171 of 1963 to Jeffcoat.

I cite: Letter from Jeffcoat to Royal Prince Alfred Hospital 7/27/63. " I understand that under the terms of National Heart Foundation Grant no. G171, a sum of 160 pounds per annum has been put aside for my salary. It is my desire that this money be placed in a 'Pacemaker Fund'"

I cite: From Memoirs of Paul M Trainor, " I met bio-engineer Keith Jeffcoat wha was an adviser to some NSW hospitals and with others did pioneering work in pacemakers".

I cite: Manuscript "Telectronics and the History of Pacemaking in Australia" Wickham & Jeffcoat, 1987. This is an accurate and scholarly paper in which Jeffcoat details his research conducted at RPAH. I have said to you previously that I am prepared to Swear an Affidavit testifying to the accuracy of that paper.Geoffrey Wickhamnone 21:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The attempted character assasination of the late Noel Gray continues! What a cowardly attack this is! Paul Trainor was not involved at all in the early days at Telectronics nor was Jeffcot, neither gentleman was employed at telectronics until 1968, when the character assisanation began! If you want to reffer to a "scolarly paper" please cite refferences! The "oficial report" to the National Heart Foundation is not cited in the Wickham Jeffcoat unpublished book. According to the National Heart Foundation grant No G 171 was to Dr Nicks and Dr Nicks alone. This work using the grant G 171 was on a surface mounted radiofrequency generator pacemaker first sugested by Abrams and was a continuation of experiments on a device made by Eddy Hume as reported in the Nicks Hume paper of December 1962. (a perort on this ecperiment is in a newspaper The Sun in 1964) Please explaine how this work contributed to Telectronics development of totally implantable pacemakers which were based on totally implantable pacemakers imported into Australia from 1962 on! This is what was reported in the Buletin article of 1976! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.128.196 (talk • contribs)

Not an engineer?

What leads you to make this claim. He is credited everywhere I've seen on line with being a founder of the company. He copublished at least one journal article (Dwyer AF, Wickham GG: Direct current stimulation in spine fusion. Med J Austr 1:73, 1974). What basis is this claim made on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WAvegetarian (talk • contribs)

== not an engineer ?== It seems that this claim is based on the fact that I do not have a University degree, but neither did the late Noel Gray, so if Chris Gray wishes to use this criterion he should apply it equally. My career evolved from technician level to engineer level by study and practical experience. By 1955 I was chief engineer transformer design department of Philips TCA, Hendon works, Adelaide. M.I.I.E. 5 patents issued USA assigned to Telectronics. list of papers read can be provided.none 22:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Geoffrey Wickham

What does A.M.I.E. stand for as this appears in print in a Medical Journal Article after Wickham's name? (Water Vapour permiability etc Wickham and Cartmill)

How long were you a "cheif engineer " at Phillips? Where did you study? Who can verify this?

Come on Wickham what was A.M.I.E in the Aust Med Jour article meant to represent?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.45.235 (talk • contribs)

==re Ray Swan== As I recall, this chap was a friend of Noel Gray and a potential financier. It is possible that he was nominated in the original Articles of Association of Telectronics. I met him once only.none 22:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Geoffrey Wickham Ray Swan invested 500 pounds in Telectronics that was the faith he had in Noel Gray and was registered as a founding director of telectronics Pty Limited. This whole talk page is biased in contravention with the policy of Wickapedia because the opening unsubstantiated statements by Wickham collor the discussion! If you at Wickapedia are only interested in pushing one barrow and have read only one referrence (Wickahm and Jeffcoats) then you are not worth anyones time because you have no accademic rigor. The recent criticism of Wickapedia that refferences are not checked must be true because this work is biased! end — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.146.98 (talk • contribs)

Please type ~~~~ at the end of your comments. This creates an automatic signature, so we can keep track of who is saying what. Cnwb 23:03, 23 February 2006 (UT

Re Radiofrequency generator powering implanted electrode in 1962-3

The allegation that Telectronics followed this work is false and irrational as there were totally implantable pacemakers being implanted in patients in Australia from 1961. To fail to acknowledge the views of the managing director Noel Gray as written in his book Telectronics the early years is biased. By the way the work was reported in the Medical Journal of Australia and was originally an ideah of Abrahms and a device was made for Dr Nicks by ex-Kriesler engineer Eddy Hume. Please read the Medical Journal article and do not accept one view above others as this is biased and not displaying academic rigor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.158.51.34 (talk • contribs)

Please type ~~~~ at the end of your comments. This creates an automatic signature, so we can keep track of who is saying what. Cnwb 23:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

What refferences has Wickapedian WAvegetarian sourced to be an expert on the history of Telectronics?

Vandalism is occuring on the Telectronics site by a 19 yo who is biased as he has not recognised references pointed out on the site. This has resulted in one view being promoted in favour of Wickham and Jefacot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.248.118 (talk • contribs)

First off, my age is irrelevant. Second off, that isn't my age. Third off, I have looked at some, and in fact added to, the list of references. The stuff I've found online contradicts your edits. —WAvegetarian•_{CONTRIBUTIONS}^TALK• ^EMAIL• 23:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Reference material is required for academic rigor

The assertions about the "following on" coments in regard to Telectronics entry into pacemakers is not based on any reference. This is in stark contrast to the refference material contained in Telectronics the Early Years in which there are ove 36 reffernces. I would like to ask Wickapedia if it is possible for someone there to read the relevant references and establish from these a story that accords with them. If it is left as a conclusion that there are differing views then so be it. I must strongly protest that it appears to be that knowone has bothered to read any of the refferences cited. There semes to be knowone in charge and knowone responsible for what is published on this site. This makes it extremely dificult to contribute to the encyclopedia with legitimate refferences as they seem to be ignored. I see this as a real problem for you and your work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.248.118 (talk • contribs)

For the third time! Please type ~~~~ at the end of your comments. This creates an automatic signature, so we can keep track of who is saying what. Cnwb 12:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

The people responsible are the community. Everything is based on consensus. If I had access to those sources, I would be happy to read them. I'm not really sure where I might find a copy of Telectronics: The Early Years. It seems to not have been publicly published as I haven't found evidence that it actually exists. Even if it does, it seems to violate WP:OR. There's also the problem that the WA in my name stands for Washington State, USA not Western Australia. I don't have any way to verify these sources. If they were available online or locally to an editor in Australia, then they could be verified. The article is currently protected from editing by anyone without Wikipedia:Administrator powers. Neither Geoff nor I have these, so the article will remain in its present state until something gets worked out. —WAvegetarian•_{CONTRIBUTIONS}^TALK• ^EMAIL• 23:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

from Geoffrey Wickham

I have today once again emailed Christopher Gray,in a courteous manner,in the hope that common sense might prevail in resolving this dispute without it having to go to arbitration. A reply was requested. It would probably be beneficial if a copy of "Telectronics - The Early Years" is read by an editor in Australia. Chris would probably co-operate in this. Should the dispute need to go to arbitration I shall accept the decision of the arbitrators.none 02:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Geoffrey Wickham