Talk:ACC Championship Game

MVP??

I checked the official ACC website and ESPN.com and could not find any info on an MVP for the first ACC Championship Game. Does the ACC even give an MVP award? If not then I guess we can delete that column in the table, otherwise I'd like to see it filled like the table on the SEC Championship Game page. Seancp 01:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Coaches' poll

Is there a reason why the coaches' poll rankings are being used when the AP poll is generally considered the more authoritative and is the more widely used poll? Binabik80 16:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The Coaches poll was selected because it is a factor in the BCS. The AP poll is not generally considered more authoritative....it just depends on college football fans and which poll they prefer. Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with both polls being listed. Seancp 17:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

2007

Where is next year's ACCCG being held? I haven't been able to find that anywhere. 74.234.5.72 08:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

JAX. --BigDT (416) 20:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

2008-2011 games

I have used WRAL (Raleigh, NC, TV station) as a source for the announcement about the 2008-2011 games instead of http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121207aaa.html so that an independent source was used. However, the ACC announcement does include game dates:

• December 6 2008, Raymond James Stadium
• December 5 2009, Raymond James Stadium
• December 4 2010, Bank of America Stadium
• December 3 2011, Bank of America Stadium

It also notes that one reason Tampa got the '08 game was that Charlotte was hosting a citywide convention that year. —C.Fred (talk) 18:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Good article comments

I obviously consider myself too close to give a formal yea or nea on any Virginia Tech article, but here are some comments:

1. "Each division plays a round-robin schedule against the other teams in the division, and the teams with the highest divisional records at the end of the season are selected for the championship game." This is incorrect. The divisional record is only used as a tiebreaker - the conference record is what matters. The wording also needs to be fixed to clarify that it is the top team from each division that goes to the game, so if you have 7-1 VT, 6-2 GT, and 5-3 FSU are the top three teams in the conference, GT stays home.  Done
2. "Prior to the 2005 college football season, the Atlantic Coast Conference determined its champion via round-robin play during the course of the regular season." This stopped in 2004. In 2004, VT+Miami joined, raising the conference up to 11 teams, thus no more round robin. UVA fans whined incessantly because we didn't have to play FSU that year. (Never mind that even if we lose, we are still co-champs.)  Done
3. "At the time, college football teams were limited by the NCAA to 12 regular-season games." It was actually 11 games. The old rule (started in 2002?) was that years with an extra Saturday between Labor Day weekend and the first Saturday in December were 12-game seasons and others were 11-game seasons. (Don't quote me on this - I may be slightly off on the details.) But that meant that 2002 and 2003 were 12-game seasons. 2008 and 2013 would have been had the old rule continued. 2004 was an 11-game season. We played 12 games because we were in the BCA game against Southern Cal. That was not the norm. The rule was changed for the 2005 season so that every year became a 12-game season and thus we now get to see an extra practice game annually against a team formerly known as I-AA. I would just take this line out altogether - with either a 12 or 11-game season, we could play a round robin (and zero or one OOC games) but we choose not to because we only want 8 conference games. So the number of games per season has no bearing on it.  Done
4. "Because of this fact" - sounds like something from a junior high book report. Removed.
5. "The ACC applied for an exemption to the 12-team rule, but during the 2004 season, the NCAA denied the ACC's request." This needs to be cited - it's outside the scope of general football knowledge or things cited elsewhere. Cited.
6. "without the benefit of" = I would change that to just "without" Changed.
7. "In the 2006 game, two new teams faced off" - keep in mind that we've just finished talking about conference expansion, so calling them "new" may confuse the reader and think that they just joined the conference. Changed.
8. "Following the Virginia Tech victory" - makes it sound like the Gator Bowl dropped us because Tech won. Really, they dropped us because nobody but Tech has traveled a decent number of fans. I would change it to "Following the game". Changed.
9. "The designated "home" team is 1-2 in ACC Championship Games." - does that matter? Removed.
10. "... Navy, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami, West Virginia, Boston College, Rutgers, and Virginia Tech—an offer to join the league." Where did this cite come from (are you reading it on Lexis or do you have the physical paper)? This sounds a little odd that they were "prepared to offer" these schools. They may have discussed it, but it never went anywhere.
11. "prepared to offer other schools ... an offer" - should be reworded to not use "offer" twice. Reworded.
12. "who began pursuing the possibility of expansion anew in 2003" Do we know that to be correct? (IE, did they start in 2002, but keep it under wraps?) In 2000, when Tech was allowed into the Big East for roundball, it was put on hold for a few weeks because there were some rumblings that Miami might bolt then for the ACC. They assured us they would stay put, but if we don't know for a fact that the ACC had not been pursuing expansion at some point in the intervening years, the wording should be changed to say only what we do know - that in April 2003, the expansion plans were brought to light. Added 'publicly'.
13. "the prospect of tens of thousands of visitors could provide" - subject/verb agreement - "the prospect ... provides"
14. The bit about the TV contract really doesn't have anything to do with the ACCCG and doesn't need to be included. It just makes it confusing when you pick back up with "In July 2004, the ACC began deliberations about which offer to select."
15. "Teams also play three conference games against teams from the opposing division, but these games do not count in the divisional standings." Cross-divisional games DO count for determining the division champion. A 7-1 Virginia Tech who lost to Georgia Tech goes ahead of a 6-2 Georgia Tech who lost to Clemson and FSU. The divisional record (your five games against teams from your division) only counts as a tiebreaker. (If you have three teams that finish 6-2 and they split head-to-head, then you go to the divisional record.) See step 2 of the 3+ team tiebreaker rules. (Note that even though they are listed for 2-team ties, you will never get beyond head-to-head for a 2-team tie unless there is a disaster that prevents some games from being played. Fixed.
16. For listing the score in the game recaps, sometimes mdash is used and sometimes a regular hyphen is used. I think a hyphen is correct, right? n-dashed
17. Where the team season pages exist (like 2006 Wake Forest Demon Deacons football team), the recaps should probably wikilink to those pages. Linked.
18. "Taking the place of Florida State was Boston College" - if it had been back-to-back seasons, ok, but they took WFU's place, not FSU's place. I just wouldn't mention FSU. Fixed.
19. "The game kicked off at 13:10" military time? Fixed.
20. "but Virginia Tech earned a rare defensive two-point conversion following a second Boston College touchdown" - should mention that the 2-points was on a blocked PAT as opposed to a pick six of an attempted 2-point play
21. "and tacked on two touchdowns of its own to tie the game before halftime" - the sequence here is wrong. The recap makes it sound like it was 10-0 BC, then 16-2, then 16-16 after our two TDs. But (I'm going off of memory here) I think it was 10-0, 10-7, 16-9, 16-16. The first TD was "tacked on" before the blocked PAT.
22. "and a Tech defender returned the pass for a touchdown" - I think the defender was Xavier Adibi, right? Whoever it was, his name should be mentioned. Everyone else (Glennon + Ryan) is mentioned by name.

Reviewed by --B (talk) 12:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of May 10, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

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If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. --Johntex\^talk 00:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Atlantic Coast Conference football championship games Featured Topic under 6-month retention

Hi, Following a rule change, Atlantic Coast Conference football championship games now fails featured topic criteria 1.d. and 3.c., as 2008 ACC Championship Game needs to be audited for quality and added to the topic. The topic has 6 months from the time of the rule change, or until 2009-01-03, to re-meet the criterion - rst20xx (talk) 00:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Rankings

When any team (not just VT) has a rank in any poll it should be displayed to give the reader as much information as possible. Just leaving a team unranked gives absolutely no information as to the relative positions of the teams playing. It is not "rigging" to include a ranking whenever it is available. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Within the article about the game itself, I think it's reasonable to list any/all rankings. Within the table, it's not useful to be switching among multiple polls; it makes it unclear which poll their ranking was in. —C.Fred (talk) 16:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I've got to agree with Fred on this one. Using the Coaches' Poll for tables and such is standard within the Wikiproject. We just had a discussion on that. JKBrooks85 (talk) 20:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I still disagree but will defer to you guys on this Rreagan007 (talk) 03:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I can definitely understand where you're coming from, but it's a style thing. I guess we're trying to get anyone who looks at these charts to not be confused by all the different ranking systems available. It's easier to compare #22 in the coaches' poll to #17 in the coaches' poll than #24 in the AP Poll to #17 in the coaches' poll. JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

2009 attendance figures

We've got conflicting attendance reports for the '09 game. The State, a newspaper based in Columbia, is reporting it as "in front of 42,815 at Raymond James Stadium."[1] One of their "sound off" sidebar items mentions "Free-ticket giveaways to kids in both end zones, making it look good for TV," which suggests they're only counting paid attendance. By contrast, Sports Illustrated reported "Attendance: 57,227."[2] What other sources are reporting attendance, so we can come up with a most-valid number? —C.Fred (talk) 17:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Propose to Rename article to ACC Football Championship Game

I believe the article should be renames to ACC Football Championship Game to avoid ambiguousness with the other ACC Championships for Basketball, Baseball, etc. --BuffaloChip97 (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)