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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee opened

An arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee/Evidence. Please add your evidence by January 12, 2011, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 11:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

A word of advice (I was going to e-mail you, but you've not got it set) from one who's had his ass hauled before arbcom more times than he cares to remember. Arbitration ain't litigation - so be wise to its subtitles. The arbs don't generally care too much about the fine points of each dispute (although parties tend to rehearse and argue such things before them to the point of tedium). The arbs, to their credit, tend to look at the bigger picture. They tend to look at someone's community interactions in the round, and ask whether it is working, or whether some restriction or ban is merited. That's certainly what your detractors will be trying to demonstrate to them. What you are best doing is pre-empting what the arbs will see. Do a little self-reflection - show a little self-awareness. If you can do that, it saves the arbs doing it for you. Are there certain editors or topics that tend to get your goat? Would you be best avoiding them going forward? Are there some "topic bans" you might self-impose? The people who survive arbitration are the ones who show themselves to be reasonable, open to correction, and capable of amending their behaviour. The people who die by arbcom are the ones who go in with self-righteous rage and demonstrate the exact battleground tactics that their opponents are complaining of. Everything you say now can, and will, be taken down and used against you in evidence. Arbs are far more interested in your actions now, and what might happen going forward than the details of who was right or wrong one some page six weeks ago. There is little doubt that your opponents are looking for you to be banned for a time. They will probably keep pushing that point, and be miffed if they don't get it. You can probably avoid that if you can be reasonable, restrained, and cooperative with the process. By its nature arbcom dislikes banning people, and if a ban was inevitable it would have happened before now. What happens next is ultimately in your hands, you can give your detractors what they want, or you can seek another way forward. best advice - don't post anything in haste on an arbcom page. Oh, and best not to attack your detractors. People who file arbitrations often get criticised themselves - (beware the boomerang) because they are actually engaging in the same type of battleground tactics they are complaining of. However, it is best for you not to point this out. Because that's just you battling back. It is best to demonstrate that, no matter what others do, you are capable of putting the weapons down, and quietly and humbly (as much as any Wikipedian does humility) working with the Committee to find a way back to peace and happy editing. Anyway, just my thoughts.--Scott Mac 19:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2011

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on User talk:Rd232. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ΔT _{^{The only constant}} 03:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

• Mick, dude, do you really want to go down for something so silly? Don't give your detractors more ammo to use at ArbCom. → ROUX ₪ 04:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I have no issue with being kicked off this site for taking offence at being compared to a member of the Westboro Baptist Church. I don't know any sane person who wouldn't read such a thing and be offended in the extreme. I am entitled to remove any obvious attack directed at me, wherever I find it. MickMacNee (talk) 04:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Mick, I'm gay and even I wouldn't editwar over something like that. Especially if I were in the middle of being pilloried at ArbCom. I understand your principles, but you have to realise you're shooting yourself in the foot here. → ROUX ₪ 04:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Maybe we're just different people Roux. It's not even up for debate as far as I'm concerned. As for the timing, shit, you don't think that was an accident do you? Don't be so naive. MickMacNee (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
    • You should deal with it through the proper channels, and gain consensus for its removal via dispute resolution, rather than edit warring to attempt to remove it. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 04:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Just so you'll know, an edit warring case has been opened against you here [1]. Dayewalker (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for Edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

—slakr^\ talk / 04:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

You better make that block indefinite Slakr, because as soon as it expires, if that attack is still not gone from that page, I intend to revert it again, as many times as is necessary. If you or anyone else here wants the right to compare me to a member of the Westboro Baptist Church then you are going to have to make it official, and make sure the only way I cannot remove it is by force. I will not dignify this block with an unblock request, as that would give out the ludicrous message that this is even up for debate. MickMacNee (talk) 04:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

You could have told Hammersoft that you felt it was a personal attack, and he most likely would have removed it, as he has now. If he hadn't removed it after your request, you could have attempted some sort of dispute resolution. Edit warring was not the right way to resolve the issue, even if you felt that you were in the right. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

"I don't read his comments as soon as I realise it is him who has written them.". Do you wanna have a guess who wrote that? I'll give you a clue, it was part of the post you were insistant on restoring. And please, enough of the "even if you felt that you were in the right". I was right. I AM right. This was not a poxy content dispute. Your insistence that I jump through dispute resolution hoops with an editor who has declared I am someone to be purposely ignored, to get such an obvious attack from them on me removed from sight, is ludicrous. Slakr is a disgrace to this project. Fastily is a disgrace to this project. Everybody who battled against me to restore what they knew I took as a direct attack on me, whose intended meaning isn't even in dispute as far as I'm concerned, is a disgrace. You all disgust me. With the exception of Delta. His actions were entirely predictable, a perfect example of what he's all about, unchanged after all these years, still the same old sociopath. If any of you doing the reversion or otherwise defending this farce would be remotely happy to be compared to the WBC, even for an hour, then you are fucking insane, and you really have let Wiki-bullshit melt your brains. If this was a BLP you bastards were restoring this into, you'd all have been banned hours ago. Not blocked, banned. I really do wonder what Jimbo would make of this frankly. Complete disgrace. MickMacNee (talk) 08:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)