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I think user:Alverya is a Ministry employee.

I of course want to assume good faith and not bite the newbies, but separate from the copyvio issue, there are these edits, and the way articles are annoyingly bolded -- to make articles reflect government web pages -- well, this makes me suspicious. Alverya both edited Balakrishnan and Teo Ser Luck. See how he made a perfectly good article became a piece of propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teo_Ser_Luck&diff=prev&oldid=416688369. Cf the current "official" bio [1]. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 12:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not quite getting what you mean by "the way articles are annoyingly bolded". It's MOS to bold article titles... Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Not article titles but rather important ranks and titles or government ministries and programs. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 12:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I might be being daft here but I don't see anything other than TSL's name bolded in the diff you gave me? Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

This. I'm happy that they invest so much time of course -- I would actually like the government to engage our media more -- but when they try to "officialise" things with their she was elected Member of Parliament boldness, or worse, delete critical sections, I get annoyed. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 12:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Mmm, yeah, that's concerning. I agree that while we should AGF, it would be worth watching Alverya's edits further to see if they introduce more POV. (Also, please check your wikipedia email as per my you've got mail template at your talk page! I emailed you about something slightly less related to this.) Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, i guess since you guys are talking about me, I can come in here and "defend" myself right? :P Got to admit, my mistake to copy and paste the content from the MCYS website. newbie mistake that you'll notice i stopped doing for quite some time now. Just getting into Wiki, so learning along the way. Would appreciate your "teachings" if i made mistakes. tried to read up and dos and don'ts, but boy, wiki is mind-boggling and a bit overwhelming sometimes. Anyway, i'm editing more to learn more, and basically my goal is for factual and neutral articles, which is the crux of wikipedia right? :D THANKS!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alverya (talk • contribs) 01:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay I hope you forgive me for my bad suspicion. Happy editing. Cheers. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 19:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I am curious why you edit from IPs that come from the Infocomm Development Authority of Singapore though? Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 01:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Coz I am a civil servant but it's my job. I do wiki on a personal basis. I'm just another Singaporean citizen trying to edit wiki, and unless there is a unspoken rule that someone who works as a civil servant is not allowed to edit any wiki pages about politicians because people will start accusing? I do wanna edit other non-govt pages, but since thus far, I can contribute nothing further to other wiki pages I've read. Tried to edit the Glee wiki, but people beat me to it. So, if there is some unspoken rule as i mentioned earlier, then I guess I have to quit wiki... which I think is super unfair.Alverya (talk) 10:34, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

You can feel free to edit on a personal basis! Government IPs themselves may be blocked in the future (pending concerns) but anyone can edit yes, but editing on behalf of the government (or any party) is an issue. In that case, I apologise, and I hope we can collaborate in the future. (Also a little tip -- use more independent, rather than promotional, sources when writing about government / politician articles! They work better.) Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 11:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. If govt IPs get blocked, i've no issues. I will try and use more independent sources, sry for the trouble. :D Alverya (talk) 11:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Youth Olympics

Well I ain't being funny but the way I changed it to would be the correct way i.e. fitting in with all other nations. Thus someone and not me as I don't know how to do this will need to make a new template so that the mixed team shows up correctly, like the ZZX verson would. Instead of this somewhat complicated way of showing the same as ZZX but with different wording. Good twins (talk) 22:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No, the point is that they're not a "mixed team" in the ZZX sense. There's quite a bit of talk aout this in the Talk:2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal table archives. There's a reason we're not simply using ZZX. StrPby (talk) 22:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying someone orught to make a template like the ZZX verson. Good twins (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll think about it, but it'd be counter-intuitive without a delegation code as the length of the template name wouldn't be much shorter than what it currently is. I'll see what I can do. StrPby (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

re Otherdictionariesarebetter

Per our previous discussions, I have been reviewing the above editors contributions over the last few days. As he is not causing disruption presently, I do not feel that any report to an admin noticeboard will result in any resolution. Providing he continues to direct his attention to areas where he is content to follow the sources and not indulge his taste for substituting opinion over consensus then I suggest we wait and hope they mature into a responsible contributor. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

FLC 1968 Summer Paralympics medal table

Thanks for your comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/1968 Summer Paralympics medal table/archive1, I think the issues you raised have been addressed so if you could find time to take a second look it'd be appreciated. Thanks - Basement12 (T.C) 22:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

AN/I report

With much regret I have filed an AN/I report about possible government-sponsored editing. I am afraid I may just be paranoid and then I'll look silly; but I am also afraid, based on the pattern of editing, that I could also be right. I would be happy to be wrong -- but what if I am not? You could chip in with your two cents. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 10:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I've responded, but in fairness and for neutrality, I've also raised (imo relevant) issues I have previously raised with you over your participation in the matter. Both sides need to be looked at, as is the case in any dispute. I hope you understand. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 10:39, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Of course. Feel free to call me out. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 10:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Good close

[2] Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

AN/I

Please reevaluate your premature support at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#1:_Topic_ban_of_TonyTheTiger_from_Featured_Sounds.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

No. Your editing history says enough. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 13:16, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee opened

An arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 26, 2011, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/MickMacNee/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 11:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

• Strange Passerby, I don't think you have established a clear need on why the entire admin corpus needs to be advised; the evidence in the recent cases seems to be limited to actions escalated by Sandstein. Is it your view that when one admin repeatedly acts counterproductively, the solution is to repeatedly remind ALL of the project's admins (of what it knows and otherwise complies with) without actually addressing that single admin who is causing much of the problem? Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I don't believe it would be viable to single out any one admin here. Both Sandstein and HJ Mitchell probably did what they felt to be right, even if both actions could have been handled better. I'm not buying the apparent crusade against Sandstein here. I'm not suggesting this should be a precedent and that all admins would have to be reminded of these principles in future, merely saying a one-off reminder can't hurt. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 08:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, I think admins are understandably getting a tad bit tired of being reminded of things they are already complying with and not in need of being reminded of yet again. If there wasn't an earlier case where the same set of problems unfolded, I'd have agreed that a one off-reminder this time is good, but I think we've been there and done that. At the time, I'd specifically asked for all admins to be reminded of good practice, and they were...but I can't justify continuing that as as a precedent, particularly when it will promote serious wikilawyering and permit such problems to persist. And looking at Sandstein's response to one of your proposed Fofs, I don't think he fully understands. Thanks for your answer though. Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

1998 Asian Games medal table

Hi StrPby, it's now almost three days (at least in our part of world) and I'm still waiting for your response. As I asked, if still something missing there then please tell me. I'm trying my best to satisfy you, so please cooperate with me. — Bill william compton^Talk 04:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Mistake!

Yep. Totally unintended. No idea how that happened. HiLo48 (talk) 11:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

La goutte de pluie's sockpuppetry issue

Hi, I'm the anonymous IP involved in the "edit war" with User:La goutte de pluie over at Teo Ser Luck's page. Firstly, it is really beyond my control that my Starhub IP keeps changing. I am really not on any proxy.

I would like to bring up something since I can't post on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents board. During the "edit war" with User:La goutte de pluie, I noticed another anonymous IP popping up to help La goutte de pluie to revert back to his edit. Also under the Talk Page, it was the same person who added the questionable content about MCYS. If you asked me, I think that guy is also La goutte de pluie and I'm saying that because during several exchanges with him, that's exactly the same things he said to me over and over again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.16.226 (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I will forward your concerns to the ANI board. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 01:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Moray An Par (talk) 09:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I have an issue with one editor

Hi. I'm not sure where to talk about this. Lihaas has reverted my edit[3] on the election article, and IMO, the reasons are dubious or unclear at least and I talked about WP:OWN on his/her talk page. Where should I discuss this, in addition to his/her talk page? -- Frous (talk) 09:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)