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A barnstar for you!

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	Just thought you deserved this for your ability to keep so calm and make considered points even others make bizarre points and conduct themselves in a less than satisfactory manner. Shakehandsman (talk) 23:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Awesome! That is really too cool. Thank you good sir! Boneyard90 (talk) 14:53, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

It would be even cooler if situations hadn't arisen whereby there was the need for your qualities to be tested in this way. My philosophy is to try to create something positive out of a bad situation and I encourage others to do the same.--Shakehandsman (talk) 20:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

True, the other editor seems quite displeased in several ways, and determined to change the article for reasons I can't fully comprehend. But you have a good outlook, and I'll try to keep that in mind in the future if I encounter another civil editor. Boneyard90 (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if you noticed but I've actually been away from Wikipedia for some time as I found all the harassment I was suffering a bit too much. Anyway I'm attempting a return now and I just wanted to say thanks for keeping an eye on things in my absence.--Shakehandsman (talk) 04:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed. It's good to see make another go at it. As someone once told me, 'Don't let the bastards wear you down'. Welcome back. Boneyard90 (talk) 11:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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Anna Letenská

Hello Boneyard90. Thanks for your edits and comments at this article (I'm the creator). In your edit summaries, you talk about POV and 'drama language'. Let me explain that. During my work, I used mainly the book Mraky nad Barrandovem (Clouds over Barrandov), describing the participation of Czech filmmakers in the Protectorate. The author, Stanislav Motl, is a well known researcher in my country (among other things, he publicized the case of "der schöne Toni" and other improperly investigated WWII cases). He writes in a bit 'dramatic' and 'emotional' style (see my comments at Talk:Anna Letenská) and it is quite possible (actually, it is quite logical) that his interpretation influenced my article. I just want to remind that phrases such as 'brutal investigation' or 'disappeared forever' are exactly what my sources claim, not my POV. Such a wording is maybe not appropriate for an encyclopedic article, and I do not object to your corrections, but I want to make it clear that I edit in accordance with my sources. I always want to tell lively stories, not describe dry facts.

I've changed the wording from 'brutal' to 'sharpened interrogation', as it is a better term (cited by another good source, the article by The Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes, p. 107, in Czech "zostřený výslech"). I hope it is more clear now. I linked the term to the relevant section of the article Enhanced interrogation techniques (which is, by the way, not very good (IMO)). I asked some questions (also related to Letenská's story) at Talk:Enhanced_interrogation_techniques#The_lead_section_of_this_article_and_other_things.

As for the claim that "they were taken to the camp bathrooms where they were handed over to the mercies of privileged criminal inmates", there's quite a good description of the situation in the article by The Institute (p. 112). Unfortunately, their interpretation is, similarly as Motl's, a bit emotional and they do not say who testified that the event really happened (the article is otherwise very well sourced). They don't talk about specific rapes and tortures, everything is hidden behind vague claims, such as "laments and cries of tormented Czech women, along with the inhuman scream [of privileged criminal inmates], will resonate in the dark bathroom for many years". Basically, the article says they where forced to undress and after that they were handed over to the mercies of privileged criminal inmates. I don't think it is particularly problematic but I may reword if you wish.

Thanks for your interest in the article. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for taking the time to write. I can appreciate the effort it took to write the article, and influence another writer's style has on your own. I can also appreciate a good story, but as this is an encyclopedia, facts must take precedent. You're right though, your version is much less dramatic than your source. I have my own issues with terms like "brutal", which is really a "weasel word". The news media often uses it, such as "brutal murder", but I mean, are there any murders (or interrogations) that are kind and gentle? Maybe, but not many.

Then there is the "mercies" of the guards, which I believe is a euphemism for rape, and maybe beating someone; but as a reader, I should not have to guess. The author of a book can be vague, if he likes, because even if those women weren't beaten and raped by "privileged prison guards", I'm sure many others were. Also, a writer can leave it vague to cover himself if he doesn't have facts, to make a good story, and after all, our own imaginations are sometimes much more terrible than reality.

I'm sure in other respects, the accounts are fine, but let's consider this: if the women were handed over to be raped by prison guards, how did this information become known? All the women were executed, and neither the guards (whether inmates or Nazis) wouldn't tell. If they had told, such as at a war-crimes trial, then the authors would have cited this, right? It would lend much more credibility to the account. Authors may have implied rape/torture because that is what was commonly done, without knowing if it was specifically done in the case of Letenska, though of course, we can be confident that it was probably done.

I guess my issue with the term "mercies of", because its use here implies rape/torture, there is obviously nothing "merciful", right? Which means the term is inaccurate. Perhaps, "turned over to the guards for their amusement". If I have other ideas for more accurate wording, I'll bring them up. But, I am glad that we can co-operate amicably for the improvement of the article. Boneyard90 (talk) 15:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm quite surprised over the dramatic tone of the article published by The Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes; I would expect a less heartbreaking description by a serious scientific institution. But otherwise, they did a great job, and the information is very useful.

I think that your suggested wording ("turned over to the guards [or rather to privileged criminal inmates, as it is what the source states] for their amusement") is a good description and corresponds well with the source. It is probably more clear than the current version. I'll change the claim in the article. I appreciate your careful insight, thank you. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 16:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Death

Do you want to help bring death to good article status? Pass a Method talk 12:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... First, thank you for writing with your offer. Not sure I'm able to commit to a GAN right now, as far as researching and sources and time frames, etc. I'm a PhD student, so my time is pretty taken up already. All I do on Wikipedia these days is light editing and assessing as a way to blow off a few minutes. Mostly what I can do for the article is try to help keep the language neutral and academic, spot grammar inconsistencies, that sort of thing. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

But I have to ask, why are you writing: "All organisms, including humans..."? It's redundant. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I see why its redundant, but its relevant because a lot of myths describe some humns as immortal. Also, humans culure tends to distinguish humans as being seperate from animals/organisms, thus is thought it would be approrpiate to reinforce the factual side. Pass a Method talk 15:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I also have a problem with the sentence because it's potentially inaccurate. There are organisms that do not appear to have a natural death, and may be considered immortal, such as the jellyfish Turritopsis nutricula. See Immortality#Biological immortality. Sentences that make all/never generalizations are rarely defensible, and draw the scrutiny of skeptics. Boneyard90 (talk) 15:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I was actually aware of that article, but when i read it i got the impression that none of the organisms actually succeed in immortality, unless as part of a colony and others replenish temselves. I could reword it to something like "individual organisms", or "all mammals inevitably experience death". Pass a Method talk 16:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

"Mammals" is much too restrictive; it leaves out reptiles, amphibians, fish, etc. The budding and cloning organisms might not go through an immortality as we like to think about it with regard to our own bodies, but they (apparently) fall under the definition. If you insist on making some kind of "all" statement, I would advise qualifying it with "known", as in "all known complex organisms", or something like that. Maybe even "experience death, or the termination or degradation of their original forms". However, you shouldn't be surprised if a GA-reviewer decides it should be stricken. Boneyard90 (talk) 16:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I started a section about this on the article talk page before finding you were discussing it here. Would you mind discussing it there?--Taylornate (talk) 00:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'm in. Boneyard90 (talk) 00:19, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you so much! I don't really feel I deserve it, but I hope we can continue to cooperate! Thank you again! Boneyard90 (talk) 02:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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very close to blockable

ignored messages so far, and obviously not reading soapbox/ wp:not etc - probably time to be reported if it doesnt stop SatuSuro 15:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Say what? Who, the IP on Talk:Death? Yeah, his post sounded a little on the fanatic side.Boneyard90 (talk) 15:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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[1] [2] Before removing reliably-sourced information from an article, please open a discussion on the article's talk page to invite discussion. Thank you. Cla68 (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for bring up your concern here. As for my edits, that's part of being bold, yes? If you see something wrong, do something about it, right? But, as you request, I will put up my reasons at Talk:Taiji dolphin drive hunt. Boneyard90 (talk) 00:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I guess I was bold to include the information in the first place, right? I had my reasons for why I thought those two bits of information were relevant and appropriate to the article, and opening a discussion before reverting helps me give my reasons and allows any other interested party to opine on the issue, which I think is more productive than possibly initiating a revert war. Thanks for your help. Cla68 (talk) 00:39, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks / Castles

Boneyard thanks tremendously for your edits. When working from Japanese sources it's surprising how my writing in English suffers. Have read your articles on Japanese castles, I'm not sure how to approach the topic as it's much more complex than writing about a geographic feature. Do you have a "best example" of a Japanese castle article for a minor castle, e.g., not a Himeji, Osaka Castle, etc.? Prburley —Preceding undated comment added 12:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC).

Hi, thanks for writing, and no problem! Once, long ago, I saw the huge backlog of WP:Japan articles (I think 4,000+), and started working to clear it out. Got to read alot of interesting articles that way. And yes, as you can see, I have a fondness for Japanese castles, especially the small, out-of-the-way, nobody's ever heard of it castle. You find the coolest stories. I guess I am pretty proud of the J-castle articles I wrote: Nishikawa Castle, Nirengi Castle, and Miyao Castle, in about that order. Verifiable information, even in Japanese, can be difficult to find for some small castles. For Nishikawa and Nirengi castles, I had to go to he local library and check out old, musty tomes on local history. Other castle articles I've seen that are pretty good are Hirosaki Castle and Kakegawa Castle, but even those are sort of notable castles. The biggest problem with most J-castle articles is lack of sources, especially those translated from Japanese Wikipedia (which is notorious for its lack of sources), and I suspect many J-castle articles are written based on tourist pamphlets. Many are stubs. My advice: sources, history written chronologically (you'd be surprised how often this gets botched), an infobox, and section headings, which can help you to organize your topics better.

I know what you mean about translating. Sometimes, I translate something, read it back, and I know it looks like crap, but I can't figure out how to fix it. Don't worry about getting your translation to "match up" to the original. Sometimes, you have to break up a compound sentence, which allows you to put each idea in your own words, and you may have to use a synonym if the translated word is something awkward, unfamiliar, or obsolete. If I can help in any way, let me know! Good luck! Boneyard90 (talk) 15:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Too cool! Thank you! Boneyard90 (talk) 15:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

the move

I'm pretty sure that comment was a joke anyway. Serendi^podous 08:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

True. Although the funny-guy does a pretty passable impression of a naive idiot, or a kid. Anyway, it does no harm to leave it, and the question was about changing the article, which is what the Talk page is for. I'd say a good number of the inquiries on the Talk page are referred to, but not copied to, the Zombie-fiction article. Boneyard90 (talk) 08:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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List of Japanese battles

Hi! That is definitely a hoax, an elaborate hoax. Those references do not exist. Please see User talk:Nihonjoe#Reassessment of Battle of Imizu, especially at the last entry of mine. Or do you have any references on the battle? Oda Mari (talk) 14:21, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll look through some of my J-history books later. But you really think someone would go to the trouble of creating a fictitious Battle of Imizu, with stub-articles on generals, heroes, etc.? Boneyard90 (talk) 15:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I do. I first thought it was a search request of something hard to find ref. in ja on the web. But nothing could be found. The books used as RS on the battle and its related articles couldn't be found either. There are lots of Sengoku related sites in ja. This is one of them and the content is detailed. Don't you think it's strange? I'm afraid it is impossible for me to think the articles are historical facts. Oda Mari (talk) 16:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, to play devil's advocate for a moment: for one of my articles, I relied heavily on the clan history of one highly local clan. It would be hard to find anywhere outside of Aichi Prefecture, or outside of east Aichi prefecture. There were so many battles, of such localized interest, I lean toward the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, I don't have much experience with that editor, so I probably won't throw in my full support. I'll let you know if I find something verifiable. Boneyard90 (talk) 23:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and the link you posted doesn't translate to my compauter. No English, no Japanese, just random webdings.Boneyard90 (talk) 23:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Please see my responses at the same place. This has become blown way out of proportion. --BradTraylor (talk) 03:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)