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NKVT

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Unreferenced very short article about a Soviet ministry. Speedy as test edit declined by EurekaLott. PROD contested by otherwise uninvolved editor with rationale "of course we should have an article on a government ministry in one of the world's largest countries." I agree with the basic principle of this - we should have information about such a ministry. But there's simply not enough encyclopedic content to justify having an article. Furthermore, even if that content is there, it's unsourced, and I couldn't find anything. What is justified is a blurb in the Council of the People's Commissars article on each of these little ministries, not individual articles at this time. Note to anyone else doing an English-language Google: I'd advise searching for "People's Commissariat for Water Transport" instead of "NKVT"; I didn't find anything useful about the ministry that way, but some interesting things about the people who've headed it popped up. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 15:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• I worked on the article, and now it is a referenced stub. I am inclined to keep it, but if it is to be deleted please move the info into the relevant article, like Council of the People's Commissars.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:38, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• Reply - Well done, it is much improved. Nonetheless, I feel that what you've done is brought it up to be verifiable. I still don't feel that it meets the general or specific notability guidelines. I'd be totally cool with merging your work into the Council article, or possibly (per User:My_very_best_wishes below) into Soviet Navy. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 18:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• My very best wishes's point is that this is distinct from the Soviet Navy - it is the former ministry responsible for civil shipping, not military. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• You're entirely correct, I misread their statement. I would be in favor of the merge into the Council of the People's Commissars, then. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 19:49, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. This is a department of entire Soviet civil fleet (right now Soviet fleet redirects to Soviet Navy). Expand. There are many sources. My very best wishes (talk) 17:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep. We are trying to build an encyclopedia here, and this is, per basic common sense, an encyclopedic topic. I would suggest that the nominator follow the excellent advice that he himself offers on his user page: 'before editors suggest keeping, deleting, merging, redirecting, forking, or creating an article, they should consider the very simple question: "Does this option improve and enhance Wikipedia more than any of the other possible options?"' Phil Bridger (talk) 19:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• Reply: I thank you for the compliment concerning my userpage mini-essay. I endeavor to follow that advice constantly. In this case, my opinion is that the best possible option in these conditions is to discuss this topic and closely related topics in a single broad article - the Council of the People's Commissars - because I believe that we can create a Good Article (possibly even an FA) out of that, versus however-many start-class or stub-class articles we could make for the individual Commissariat articles. I note that I did not nominate any of the others for deletion - that is because I happened upon this one in New Page Patrol, and the others by and large did not have their own articles yet. To sum up my tl;dr - I think that this is part of an encyclopedic topic, not its own seperate encyclopedic topic. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 19:43, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - Other users have significantly expanded the article and sources have been added to it, as of this post. Northamerica1000^(talk) 23:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep - An historical topic that appears to have received significant coverage in reliable tertiary book sources. The article is well-sourced at this time. Northamerica1000^(talk) 23:53, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep per Northamerica1000.Wer900 ^talk_{essay on the definition of consensus} 04:01, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep clearly meets WP:GNG. After this discussion closes, it would probably be best to consider renaming to People's Commissariat for Water Transport. Haus^Talk 13:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)