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The article had been moved to [[Environmental movement in the United States]]. See [[Talk:Environmental movement in the United States]] for the past history. I have moved and cut'n'pasted relevent info back to this page ([[Environmentalism]]). I feel there is justifiction for an [[Environmentalism]] page and an [[Environmental movement]] page. Along with [[Environmentalist]] it divides the subject up neatly and avoids a cluttered [[Environmental movement]] article. It seem to me that moving a page on the international environmental movement with some stuff about the US to [[Environmental movement in the United States]] was a little geographically blinkered. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 07:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
The article had been moved to [[Environmental movement in the United States]]. See [[Talk:Environmental movement in the United States]] for the past history. I have moved and cut'n'pasted relevent info back to this page ([[Environmentalism]]). I feel there is justifiction for an [[Environmentalism]] page and an [[Environmental movement]] page. Along with [[Environmentalist]] it divides the subject up neatly and avoids a cluttered [[Environmental movement]] article. It seem to me that moving a page on the international environmental movement with some stuff about the US to [[Environmental movement in the United States]] was a little geographically blinkered. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 07:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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Should this article be filed under [[Religion]]. From a neutral POV, the following quote indicates to me that environmentalism is just another religion. |
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"Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths. There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe. Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday---these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know. I certainly don't want to talk anybody out of them, as I don't want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don't want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can't talk anybody out of them. These are not facts that can be argued. These are issues of faith. And so it is, sadly, with environmentalism. Increasingly it seems facts aren't necessary, because the tenets of environmentalism are all about belief. It's about whether you are going to be a sinner, or saved. Whether you are going to be one of the people on the side of salvation, or on the side of doom. Whether you are going to be one of us, or one of them." |
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[[User:Njh|Njh]] 10:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 10:12, 30 April 2006
The article had been moved to Environmental movement in the United States. See Talk:Environmental movement in the United States for the past history. I have moved and cut'n'pasted relevent info back to this page (Environmentalism). I feel there is justifiction for an Environmentalism page and an Environmental movement page. Along with Environmentalist it divides the subject up neatly and avoids a cluttered Environmental movement article. It seem to me that moving a page on the international environmental movement with some stuff about the US to Environmental movement in the United States was a little geographically blinkered. Alan Liefting 07:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Should this article be filed under Religion. From a neutral POV, the following quote indicates to me that environmentalism is just another religion.
"Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths. There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe. Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday---these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know. I certainly don't want to talk anybody out of them, as I don't want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don't want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can't talk anybody out of them. These are not facts that can be argued. These are issues of faith. And so it is, sadly, with environmentalism. Increasingly it seems facts aren't necessary, because the tenets of environmentalism are all about belief. It's about whether you are going to be a sinner, or saved. Whether you are going to be one of the people on the side of salvation, or on the side of doom. Whether you are going to be one of us, or one of them."