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I would like to echo the sentiment of Two kinds of pork. Maybe try to explain how you believe how biological sex or legal names are relevant to article names (for the latter, compare [[Bill Clinton]])? I would also appreciate it if you could refactor the statement that Manning is a guy to that it is your opinion she is a guy to that it is your opinion she is a guy. Gender issues are rather complicated, and there is no scientific consensus about when someone has a new gender. [[User:Martijn Hoekstra|Martijn Hoekstra]] ([[User talk:Martijn Hoekstra|talk]]) 14:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
I would like to echo the sentiment of Two kinds of pork. Maybe try to explain how you believe how biological sex or legal names are relevant to article names (for the latter, compare [[Bill Clinton]])? I would also appreciate it if you could refactor the statement that Manning is a guy to that it is your opinion she is a guy to that it is your opinion she is a guy. Gender issues are rather complicated, and there is no scientific consensus about when someone has a new gender. [[User:Martijn Hoekstra|Martijn Hoekstra]] ([[User talk:Martijn Hoekstra|talk]]) 14:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:I will third that request, with my Official Admin(tm) hat on. The discussion guidelines made clear that comments about what gender you feel Manning is or is allowed to be are off-topic, and given the tension in this topic area, there's not a lot of wiggle room, because one comment can easily ignite another firestorm. If you are unable or unwilling to refactor your comment, I will do so for you by removing the inflammatory language (your vote itself will remain). [[User:Fluffernutter|A fluffernutter is a sandwich!]] ([[User talk:Fluffernutter|talk]]) 14:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
:I will third that request, with my Official Admin(tm) hat on. The discussion guidelines made clear that comments about what gender you feel Manning is or is allowed to be are off-topic, and given the tension in this topic area, there's not a lot of wiggle room, because one comment can easily ignite another firestorm. If you are unable or unwilling to refactor your comment, I will do so for you by removing the inflammatory language (your vote itself will remain). [[User:Fluffernutter|A fluffernutter is a sandwich!]] ([[User talk:Fluffernutter|talk]]) 14:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::<small>Copied this from my talk to keep the discussion centralized. [[User:Fluffernutter|A fluffernutter is a sandwich!]] ([[User talk:Fluffernutter|talk]]) 14:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)</small>There's nothing inflammatory about my vote. I gave my reasons for my vote,that's not disa-allowed for any vote. I've re-checked that page, and I see no restrictions on referencing Bradley Manning's gender either. You haven't voted, only commented, so I realize your comment is neutral, but honestly, I see no problem with my comments, as they reference both policy and common sense. I would hope you would refactor, as this would be a violation of WP:TPO. As you know, there are only a few reasons to refactor comments on a talk page, my comment doesn't fall into those exemptions. <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:0.50x;">[[User:KoshVorlon|<font style="color:blue;background:white"> '''K'''osh'''V'''orlon]].<font style="color:white;background:blue;"> '''W'''e '''a'''re '''a'''ll '''K'''osh </font></span> 14:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::I'm sorry we haven't been able to make clear to you what was wrong with your comments in the context of the discussion. I've gone ahead and redacted the problematic parts of your statement (the active discretionary sanctions in this topic area give administrators wide latitude to make decisions of this type). If you'd like to discuss further ''why'' they were problematic, I can try to help you understand, but please do ''not'' restore the content I've removed. [[User:Fluffernutter|A fluffernutter is a sandwich!]] ([[User talk:Fluffernutter|talk]]) 14:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::Hi, adding my thoughts here. While you are welcome to your opinion of Manning's gender, it is not germane to the title discussion, and the guidelines we developed in advance of the discussion suggested that we keep such opinions to ourselves. That said, I would ask those writing here to consider dropping similar notes on the pages of those who share their opinion that Manning is a woman, as that is not a valid argument for a title change either.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 14:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
::Hi, adding my thoughts here. While you are welcome to your opinion of Manning's gender, it is not germane to the title discussion, and the guidelines we developed in advance of the discussion suggested that we keep such opinions to ourselves. That said, I would ask those writing here to consider dropping similar notes on the pages of those who share their opinion that Manning is a woman, as that is not a valid argument for a title change either.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 14:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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