User talk:Jayaguru-Shishya

Los Natas edits

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· rodii · 01:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rodii. I think the right place for discussion is at Los Natas -talk page where the other contributors could follow the discussion as well in order to improve the article. If you find errors though, you can also help to improve the article by correcting those faults instead of removing one's contributions. Thanks! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 17:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Appropriate level of wikilinking

Good message at WT:MOSLINK. I do a lot of maintenance work that includes unlinking common terms and chronological items. But en.WP is ahead of the game in this respect compared with most of the other WPs. May I ask whether you have experience at another WP? And if so, whether you've had any success in convincing other editors to use the wikilinking system more skilfully? I've watchlisted this page if you want to reply here. Tony (talk) 11:51, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Greetings there Tony1! And thanks for your message, I'm glad to hear that there is someone else concerned with the same problems too.

I agree with you, the English Wikipedia is way ahead it's other language version counterparts. I am currently contributing to the Finnish language Wikipedia aside from the English one, and I must say that I am really giving up hope with it completely... Few practices still vivid and alive at the Finnish Wikipedia:

1) They are linking all the dates (official WP-policy there, e.g. October 5th, 2004)

2) ...linking a lot of common terms

3) ...linking compounded words from the middle even (e.g. toothpick)

=> If your try to remove excess linking - even with well-grounded reasons and participating the discussion at the Talk page - it is likely to just get reverted without any explanations. There is also a very little contributor base in the fi.wiki, and therefore it is pretty much the same group of contributors that keep patrolling on the changes in the articles and backing-up the doings of one an each other.

If there shall be any discussion though, it tends to be taken to your User -talk page, often on a very personal level, and taken away from below the eyes of the other article contributors...

I have also launched a discussion at the fi.WP, one where "I got mistaken to refer" to the English Wikipedia policies. This resulted into fierce responses, according to which Finnish Wikipedia is completely different, and that the English policies have no value at the Finnish side. Well, that's actually true and I do understand it but.... how about benchmarking? Is it bad in general? In Finnihs Wikipedia, it seems it is.

The Finnish Wikipedia has sunken deep with it's current conceptions, and the general mindset with wikilinks still seems to be "the more, the better".

That's pretty much my experiences in my rather small language version. Maybe I should just drift towards Citizendium (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Citizendium) slowly xD ... How about your experiences Tony1? Which language edition you've been working with? Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

You might tell them that overlinking has the same ill effect for all readers—whether of en.WP or fi.WP. The particular language is irrelevant. The war about linking started with the ridiculous date-autoformatting that was introduced into en.WP in 2003 as a ham-fisted solution to editors' fights about US vs non-US formatting. Only logged-in editors who had chosen prefs saw any "benefit". Not readers.

The main battle was won about six years ago: what was surprising was the vehemence of objection, and the fact that within a year or two hardly any editor objected. The whole attitude has turned 180 degrees. It's a symptom of how crude the wikicultures are in other languages that readers don't count. The linking system is washed out and the text looks pretty bad, because no one has stood up to the mind-set of the geek-nuts who are in control. Very happy to have you editing here.

User:Tony1/Most_poorly_wikilinked_article_award, User:Tony1/Survey_of_attitudes_to_DA_removal, User:Tony1/Information_on_the_removal_of_DA, User:Tony1/Build_your_linking_skills. Tony (talk) 11:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikilinks

Hello,
WP:OVERLINK states that "Links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." I can't really understand why you are neglecting this? Myxomatosis57 (talk) 17:49, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Seems like the edit infobox didn't capture this (was left empty), sorry. Anyway, I undid revision back to version by Rothorpe (talk) =P So I'm in favour of his/her edit... Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 18:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

It's allright. I appreciate your concern over the overlinks by the way. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 21:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Mass original research in the lede

All the well sourced text in the lede was deleted. I think the sourced text should be restored not deleted. The current lede is poorly written. QuackGuru (talk) 08:18, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Please continue the discussion at the appropriate Talk Page of the article (Talk: Chiropractic). There other contributors can follow the discussion and the grounds for your edits as well. I started there a new section where I quoted your post at my talk page. Thanks. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 07:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I did not give you permission to move my comment to the talk page

I did not approve of this. QuackGuru (talk) 06:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

That's what you originally wrote, and which was answered as such. Please do not change your original post that has already been commented at the Talk Page. It will distort the progress of conversation. Thanks. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 06:32, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I did not originally post that comment to the talk page. QuackGuru (talk) 06:34, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't really get your point. I am free to quote your post at the talk page too since 1) it pertains to the article, and 2) you made edits on the article and argumented those edits by your post. I moved it to the Talk Page because that's where it clearly belongs. Now the other contributors can also see the discussion about the sources and edits about the article. You are not trying to make edits behind other contributor's back, are you? Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 06:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy is pretty clear when it comes to moving fragment discussion to one location:

• Avoid posting the same thread in multiple forums. This fragments discussion of the idea. Instead, start the discussion in one location, and, if needed, advertise that in other locations using a link. If you find a fragmented discussion, it may be desirable to move all posts to one location, and linking to it. Make sure you state clearly in edit summaries and on talk pages what you have done and why. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Good_practices_for_all_talk_pages_used_for_collaboration)

Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 07:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

If you ever post a comment on an article talk and sign another editor's name again - as you did here - your editing privileges on Wikipedia will almost certainly be removed. You can delete other editors' posts from your talk page (but not refactor them); and you can quote the content of another editor's post elsewhere (with proper attribution); but you may not make a post that gives the impression that another editor made it. Please take this warning seriously - the community looks very unfavourably on deceptive editing. --RexxS (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

No, my editing privileges on WIkipedia are just fine and the most certainly will not be removed. Don't be silly, my dear. Show me, where i have refactored anybody's posts? you may not make a post that gives the impression that another editor made it.? Too bad, I can take direct cites as much as I want. What on earth are you ranting about? Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 22:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:QuackGuru_reported_by_User:Jayaguru-Shishya_.28Result:_.29 - It seems that [[User:Spike Wilbury|Spike Wilbury]] ([[User talk:Spike Wilbury|talk]]) already disagrees with you. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 22:35, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Talk page vandalism?

I wrote "This was not my original post to this talk page. You moved my comment from your talk page here without my permission."QuackGuru (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

You deleted a comment I made to the talk page. Please don't remove my comment again. QuackGuru (talk) 07:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Please try to follow good manners while interacting with other contributors in Wikipedia. Your current editing style and behaviour is aggressive. Thanks. As you can read above and as you haven't even disagreed, it's quite obvious that the the discussions concerning the edits you have made on an article, belong to the article Talk Page. It seems that you are trying to make edits behind the other contributors' back. Please argument your edits to the other contributors of the article, not me individually. I will restore your post here now, and therefore consider the post at Talk:Chiropractic as a quote from you. Therefore, do not edit a direct quote given. You are vandalizing a Wikipedia's Talk Page at the moment. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 07:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

You deleted my comment again. I am not interested. QuackGuru (talk) 08:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Point. QuackGuru (talk) 08:04, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Strike if you will, but do not misuse the Template:Collapse top {{Cot}}. {{Cot}} clearly says that:

The {{collapse top}} template (a.k.a. {{cot}}) and its paired template {{collapse bottom}} (or {{cob}}) are used for placing a collapse box around a talk page discussion, especially when the content contains complex wikimarkup such as tables. For very simple content, the one-piece template {{collapse}} can be used instead.

These templates should only be used in accordance with the Wikipedia:Refactoring guideline; they should never be used to end a discussion over the objections of other editors, except in cases of unambiguous disruptive editing.

If I reverted your strikings as well, it has been an accident. However, do not try to hide end the discussion by using {{Cot}}. If you still keep vandalizing the article Talk:Chiropractic Talk Page and violating the Wikipedia Policies, I will have to report you. Please always respect other Wikipedia contributors and try acting nicely instead aggressively. Thanks. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 08:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

On the contrary, you are deleting my comments without my permission after being told to stop. QuackGuru (talk) 08:20, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Nope, just restoring the original quote of yours (whether quoted or moved as a fragment discussion). Comments you can add as separate posts, but do not alter the original ones. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 08:24, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you are right. My apologies. I mistakenly observed that you modified your old comment even you added a new one. Sorry for that, my mistake. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 08:25, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

You deleted a diff I added and moved my comment. You added mass OR to the lede and deleted the tags without fixing the problems. In exactly what way is that a summary? Please revert your edits to the chiropractic page. I have replied to your report. QuackGuru (talk) 16:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

This looks like an April Fools joke in mainspace. You claim His latest revert today makes it pretty hard to understand his claim that it is not about the sources. When we look at his latest revert, we can see that it is very well about the sources. However, the text you added to the lede is original research and failed verification. QuackGuru (talk) 16:33, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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