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Dominic de Guzmán's year of death

Hi Chris,

I've changed that date from 1234 to 1221 because 1) later in the article his year of death is given as 1221 2) if someone clicks on his name, his year of death is given as 1221

As far as a reference goes: http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=178 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.169.157 (talk) 07:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

@184.66.169.157: You are correct, he died in 1221; I self-reverted. Catholic.org isn't a reliable source and it appears to be a questionable website. The correct source is Jean Guiraud's 1909 book Saint Dominic. (It's on page 175). I had reverted you because the 1234 date was included in the cited source. I'll update the source accordingly. Thank you for contacting me about this so I could fix it properly. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

UCLA course

Hi Chris,

Thanks so much for offering to be a campus ambassador for my course, and helping my students engage with Wikipedia. Would you be interested in perhaps talking to my class (10 students, and a few more who are auditing)? I teach T/Th from 11 am - 12:15 pm. We could also meet, either at UCLA or in the vicinity of Culver City (where I live).

Thanks again!!

Jfk nl80 (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

. It would indeed be great if we could meet.

@Jfk nl80: I'm in class on Tuesdays and Thursdays and I could more easily meet on Mondays, Wednesdays, or Fridays. I have off class this Thursday so I could also meet you then. Finally, I have a break the week of 11-17 May so we could schedule something then, as well. Please advise. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

If you're interested in talking to my class about wikipedia, then this Thursday (11 - 12:15 pm) would be perfect. Otherwise, I'm flexible all day Monday from ~9:30 - 5 pm, Wednesday from 11 am - 12 pm and 1 pm - 3:30 pm. I usually work from home on Fridays(this Friday being an exception, when I'm unavailable). Let me know what works for you. Thanks! Jfk nl80 (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jfk nl80: Ok, I'll see you on campus this Thursday (17 April) at 1100. Please advise on your class location. Also, I have a short presentation I typically give. If there's any specific points you'd like me to address please let me know. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Fantastic, looking forward to it! I am in 7142 Math Sciences Building, and the class is in 7121 Math Sciences. Here is a map with the building I'm at (the "to" address), and the information booth where they can point you to the nearest available parking. I'll be happy to reimburse your parking if you keep the receipt. A detailed campus map is here. Also, if possible, it would be great if you could perhaps come a bit earlier (maybe 10:40 am?) so that you and I can also chat before my class. Finally, is it possible to send me your presentation beforehand so that I can have an idea what you'll be discussing, and can see if there's anything I'd like you to discuss? My email is at the bottom of my personal website.

Thanks so much! Jfk nl80 (talk) 16:19, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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Battle of Lodz OOBs

I see that you have deleted my OOB additions to the 1914 battle of Lodz entry for the reason that they are not reliably sourced. Would you please elaborate.

Here's why I'm puzzled by your reason: Most of the Central Powers OOB info comes from Weltkrieg, the multi-volume German Reicharchiv work on WWI. This is a recognized source for for information on teh German side of WWI. Most of the Russian OOB info comes from the Annexes to Korolkov's book; the annexes are based on documents from the Russian archives.

Respectfully, Asayoelson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asayoelson (talk • contribs) 18:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Asayoelson: I'm not clear on the reliability of the website. How do I know that this info accurately reflects information in the archive or in a book? Archival sources are not recommended for use in Wikipedia because they necessarily require analysis. If information comes from a book, why not cite that book? Chris Troutman (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok; I see your point. I have changed the footnote to cite both the book & the website. Does that satisfy you? I cited to the website for several reasons: 1. The book is not widely available and it's in Russian. By citing to the website those who i) do have no access to the book, or ii) who cannot read Russian, can read the electronic version of the book (Russian-illiterates by using Google Translate). 2. I read what is on the website, not the book. I learned years ago to cite my actual sources not a source I did not actually read.

Your point about websites not being reliable is well-taken. I regard that particular website as reliable for several reasons: Over the years I have read its electronic versions of books and have found no obvious mistakes or recitation of facts that do not jive with other sources. In at least two instances I read various portions of Falkenhayn's & Wulffen's books in German and compared them with the relevant parts of the Russian versions on that site & found no significant differences. It may be that the website operator has cleverly altered key parts of some of the books posted there but I think that's unlikely.

lastly, you deleted all of the OOB info even though I footnoted to Weltkrieg for both sides. Since your objection was confined to the website cite I wish that you had deleted just the website part of the footnote rather than all the OOB info.

asayoelson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asayoelson (talk • contribs) 02:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you're citing the website not the book. I can understand that. The problem is, we only have your word to say the website is reliable. Is the website associated with the publisher or is the website a copyright violation? If you were citing the book it wouldn't be a problem. I removed all the OOB content because it's all dependent on that source. If the source is suspect, so is the content. Rather than continue the conversation here, I'd prefer to discuss this on the article talk page. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:25, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hopefully third time is the charm...

... or not. I don't mind continuing to work on this. Just notify me as you did on my Talk thread on other improvements needed. Take your time if you are busy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Vitaphone_Varieties#1932

Again, thank you for taking the time to respond. There is probably no easy way of making an article of a large group of theatrical short subjects, but I tried to make it comparable with "like" articles covering the Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies and many TV episode lists also found here. If necessary, this article can be broken down to "Vitaphone Varieties" and "List of Vitaphone Varieties", much as List of Bewitched episodes The information is all basic. The Internet Movie Database has about a quarter of the film titles listed with more information, while the books referenced at the bottom list a lot more information on individual films, song titles, more complete credits... although the dates were gathered from different sources... also referenced here. If something looks "disastrously wrong", I'll fix it. My goal was to supply an outline of titles for those referencing them, including those available on DVD. Other editors can improve upon it over time, after it is posted... that is, IF it gets posted.

Jlewis68 23:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlewis68 (talk • contribs)

@Jlewis68:  Done Congratulations. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your help! I will wait a bit to see how much "tinkering" is done with it by other editors. Then I will cautiously post a few (about four) similar, but smaller and less lengthy, articles built with the same "model". I reformatted two past ones done earlier (and already reviewed and approved by veterans here) with the same chart format. Jlewis68 12:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlewis68 (talk • contribs) Minor addition. Cited a few "in" sources. You can still keep the warning you posted on the article if necessary (and I doubt it will ever be "perfect"), but at least nobody reading will think I gathered all of the facts from a crystal ball. Jlewis68 12:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlewis68 (talk • contribs)

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List of UFC champions

What's the reason for reverting my edits? Besides the new information on José Aldo, the format I've used is way better. Evenfiel (talk) 01:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

@Evenfiel: I have no idea why I did that; I must've mis-clicked. I reverted myself. Thanks for pointing this out. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:46, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

not sourced "All four AC generators power was synchronized to the same phase"

In article Folsom Powerhouse State Historic Park the line "All four AC generators power was synchronized to the same phase" is not sourced and is wrong as originally used. In fact the article states later that the early transmission to Sacramento was sent on completely isolated 12 lines.

Why is this un-sourced material not challenged and my correction is? I think this article is largely filled with un-sourced conclusions that are not unlike mine.

This article has very little sourced content and there should be a warning template to add sourcing.

For what it is worth, please review my credentials in my user page.

I should use the "talk" service to get consensus on a deletion. How long should I wait for "talk" to allow me to delete wrong stuff?

Douglas Nelson Turner (talk) 14:45, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Douglas Nelson Turner: I moved your comment from the subpage you created to here, which is my talk page.

Please read WP:CRED. Not only do I not trust any claimed expertise, Wikipedians in general oppose experts of any stripe. This is an encyclopedia written mostly by dilettantes. Besides, on the internet anyone can claim to be anyone. For all you know, I'm actually Anne of Cleves. I might have some formal education but I never cite it when I'm arguing a content issue, even if I'm talking to some 12-year-old with a limited vocabulary.

The problem is that around 2005-2008 a whole bunch of new editors created a lot of new pages with little or no sourcing. I can't help that as what's done is done. I'm not mandating that you add in-line citations as per WP:CITE it's not required. I only emphasize it because the reliability of the project improves as we become more professional in our methods. Without in-line citations it becomes harder for editors to dig through the general sources to verify what the article says. We have sneaky vandals that add innocuous looking crap into articles (like slightly changing the term dates for James Madison) and sourcing helps prevent that. The only reason we haven't been mass-removing unsourced content is because we'd end up deleting half of Wikipedia and perhaps lose good content. You are welcome to remove unsourced content without question; no approval needed.

It's hard to give guidance on how long you should wait because it depends on how active the talk page discussion is. On popular articles you could post and get answers back in less than an hour. On some talk pages you could be left waiting for years. I would recommend posting to the talk page only if you're adding controversial material or you're making a massive change. Wait maybe a couple days then go ahead. Often it's ok to go ahead without posting because another editor can revert you and then raise the discussion.

Based on your edits, I believe you actually are a technical expert in this field. But my instinct doesn't substitute for provable fact. I hope when the other dilettantes come calling that you'll be as patient with the edits they make. I'm not in authority here and I only point to our policies and guidelines. You may want to check out the Teahouse to ask questions. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:30, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hannity

Chris, I don't know how to reference Wiki itself... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies I think there needs to be a statement of bias where needed. I think Rachael Maddow and Sean Hannity are the most biased and polarized when it comes to politics. Sean doctors video and edits recordings to make his point. It is documented. How do we document this? I made the edits last night after Sean said that Pot is 1,000x worse than alcohol... More of his old white male pandering... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msjayhawk (talk • contribs)

@Msjayhawk: You can't reference wiki itself, per WP:CIRCULAR. If what you claim is documented, then get your citations together and discuss it at Talk:Sean Hannity. See our help section on piped links to link to Fox News Channel controversies. Nobody cares what your opinion is. This encyclopedia runs on facts. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

May 10 edit-a-thon -- able to help out?

Hi Chris! I'm helping organize an edit-a-thon on May 10 (Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/APA), part of a nationwide effort by the Smithsonian Asian Pacific American Center. I'm working with a librarian at CSU Long Beach who is doing most of the leg work. I was hoping to help out in person, but now I'm probably having surgery May 6 (nothing terribly serious) and not sure how I'll be recovering four days out.... Would you be available to help out at the event? I was hoping to have at least one experienced Wikipedian there to possibly give a tutorial and to be able to answer questions. Thanks!! Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: I'm sorry, but no. I will actually be receiving my BA in History on that day and all my family is flying in to see it. If it were a day earlier I would make an effort to cover it but I can't attend that Saturday. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:24, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations on your graduation! I'll see if I can track down someone else. :) Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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@Diannaa, The Bushranger, and Voceditenore: My complaint and the resulting counter-complaint was archived without action. Please advise. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:48, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Given that they seem to have stopped editing, just watching for now should do. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Feysalafghan has stopped editing for now, just as he did the last time he deleted content at Deobandi. He's a partisan; he'll be back. I just don't see the need to have to revert him again and issue another request for intervention when he returns. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:13, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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I was doing what I had understood another admin had told me to do: Cut and paste the report from the talk page to the main page. If I misunderstood, I apologize. Please let me know what I should have done. 99.224.51.134 (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know the SPI process, so perhaps I misunderstood. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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@Kuyabribri: After the fact I took a look at WP:SPI but I didn't see an outline of steps for SPI. Can you recommend a good place to read an explanation? Thanks. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I must admit it's been several years since I've looked at that, and most SPIs I open are done with Twinkle. It looks like the process has been streamlined since the last time I did it manually. If you go to WP:SPI, click show on "How to open an investigation", then click show again on "If you are an anonymous..." Enter a username (perhaps your own just to be on the safe side) and click Submit. This will not create an SPI but will take you to another page with more detailed instructions and an editing box to create the SPI. If you enter a username in the box under "If you are an anonymous..." the page will be created in the WT space, if you enter the username in the upper box the page will be created in the WP space. I hope that helps. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 02:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for [not sourced "All four AC generators power was synchronized"]

Thank you,

Please forgive me if this is not the right pace for a thank you.

I'm sorry for putting article edit stuff in your talk page. I'm learning slowly.

Thanx, for your kind explaining regarding [not sourced "All four AC generators power was synchronized to the same phase"].

I will delete my article creation effort " /Rotating Armature Alternator" for now. I don't know another way to remove it from creation submission.

Best regards, Doug 66.81.132.131 (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for defense in RHaworth talk regarding the deletion of my name page.

Thanks again,

for asking for an apology toward me, after the deletion of my name page. I'm sorry I have created trouble for you, out of my slow learning. I will try to go on editing, although, more carefully now.

Best regards,,, Doug Douglas Nelson Turner (talk) 09:02, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

@Douglas Nelson Turner: It was no trouble for me. You might consider attending one of Wikipedia's meetups if there's ever one near you. Learning how this community does stuff while using the wiki for communication can be difficult. Chris Troutman (talk) 09:41, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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thanks, but i can change only the word, but not the colour? why? it does not work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durfhd (talk • contribs) 15:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

@Durfhd: See H:HTML for instructions on using html code to change the colors. You can work out the coding in a sandbox before pasting it into preferences. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:04, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

"Kurdish" jews

dear chris! There is no rule here at wikipedia which means that you must be an old user before you can nominate anything for deletion, also has this article on Kurdish Jews been discussed for deletion and was voted for deletion or merge to another article, but has only been given a deaf ear. Tilobittes (talk) 20:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tilobittes: You're not disallowed from nominating an article for deletion because you're new. You're disallowed for doing it without citing relevant guidelines. If you feel this article should be merged into another article, propose a merge and discuss it on the talk page. I can't emphasize that enough. Finally, what you refer to as "given a deaf ear" could also be called "everyone disagrees with you." We do things here by consensus, so you'll have to find a willing audience. Finally, where has this been discussed before? I don't see you participating in those discussions in your edit history. Are you socking? Chris Troutman (talk) 20:40, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Ta-Nehisi Coates

Hello Chris troutman,

Your comments on that talk page were a bit confusing. Do you support or oppose adding a description of juvenile arrests and school suspensions to a WP:BLP, cited only to the writer's blog posts? Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:29, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I support it. I must have misread that section. I thought the nom wanted to water-down the text. Thanks for letting me know. I've amended my !vote. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:05, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Coates is not a "criminal" and Wikipedia can in no way describe him as one. Please refrain from inserting inflammatory and false BLP violations in edit summaries. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 06:20, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, but I encourage you to rethink your position in light of WP:BLP and WP:UNDUE. Why should a juvenile mistake sourced to a blog posts be included in a brief biography of a writer with a much richer life story and career? Don't you see that this is a cherry-picked factoid selected by an editor with an agenda precisely for the purpose of making the subject of the article look bad? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow. I just saw your edit summaries. Coates was convicted of NOTHING and your edit summaries are an egregious BLP violation. I encourage you to formally withdraw those BLP violations right away. I will be waiting. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)