Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Afro-Eurasian

Afro-Eurasian

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For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Afro-Eurasian/Archive.

25 July 2014

– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

Suspected sockpuppets

• Akifumii (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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WP:EVASION (1) As I mentioned during the previous investigation, Afro-Eurasian's all sockpuppets use an alternative signature: Southeastern European signed as "Nicholas" , Paleolithic Man (Afro-Eurasian's former sockpuppet) signed as "Original European", and now Akifumi signs as "A2". (2) As I mentioned during the first investigation, editing their own user pages and sending barnstars to other users are the main activities of Afro-Eurasian and his/her all identified sockpuppets. (3) I placed "cn" template messages in the article Latin peoples ([1]), which was a favorite topic of Afro-Eurasian and his/her sock, Paleolithic Man, and within an hour Akifumi placed an "unreferenced" template message in the stub Ampud [2] that I had created on the same day, although there were inline references in the stub. (4) I requested CU because the above three investigations prove that without it it is difficult to prove that Akifumi is a sockpuppet of Afro-Eurasian. Borsoka (talk) 03:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

• (Non-administrator comment) This nonsense argument has me straining to AGF about Borsoka. So Akifumii tagged an article that Borsoka has apparent OWNership issues about a short time after you tagged an unrelated article. So what? I see no similarities in the editing behavior or edit summaries between Akifumii and the blocked users. Don't misunderstand, I encourage the indiscriminate use of checkuser to identify socks but I have a problem with editors engaging in these sorts of examinations with no pattern of abuse to substantiate their claims. Also, Akifumii's account wasn't created until May 1st. The other socks had been blocked for months at that point. Wouldn't it have made more sense if one account is created just as the other is blocked? Akifumii recently completed the counter-vandalism course under my instruction and I've seen no problems worthy of this attempt to railroad them. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Chris troutman, please read again my above message. He/she added an "unreferenced" template to a stub which was well-referenced after I placed "citation needed" templates in one of his/her favorite articles. Please also read the history of Paleolitic Man here [3]: he/she pretended that he/she was a new editor and sought the assistance of an administrator. Yes, this is really featuring. Please also read the list of languages spoken by Afro-Eurasian's sock [4] and by [5], especially the Basque language is surprising. Borsoka (talk) 18:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Akifumii made a mistake, clearly. Coincidence doesn't make them a sock. I look forward to what checkuser says. If Akifumii is a sock then I want them blocked, same as every other sock. It looks to me like you're grasping at straws because Akifumii templated that article. Again, we'll see. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Chris troutman, please attempt to imagine a world where an editor do not initiate a sock-puppet investigation because one of his/her favorite articles is templated. Please believe me my favorite articles have several times been templated and I have never initiated a sock-puppet investigation. Borsoka (talk) 19:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Bbb23, I think you made a mistake. Why do you think that "Barnstars" granted to him/her for signing "guestbooks" prove that he/she is not a sockpuppet? I am sure that Akifumii and his alias are sockpoppets of Afro-Eurasian. Interestingly, as Akifumii, he/she claimed a basic level of Basque [6], similarly to Afro-Eurasian, but now, under his/her new (c. 20th) name (Xermano), he/she does not refer to this language, but he/she makes it clear that his/her knowledge of Romanian is at high level (similarly to Afro-Eurasian). Nevertheless, for the time being I have to accept your decision. Borsoka (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Callanecc and Bbb23, I would like to initiate a sockpuppet investigation against Xermano. Do you think it is appropriate now? Interestingly, Xermano claims that he is identical with Akifumii, but none of their personal data are identical, see here [7], and here [8]. The creation of a new user name and a "new personality" after a sock-puppet investigation are really featuring. Borsoka (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see the discussion on this admins talk page. Yes my personal info changed due to my clean start. I can assure you that Akifumii was my previous account becuase my account was linked. Xermano (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Xermano, are you identical with banned Afro-Eurasian and his many, many socks? Borsoka (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@Borsoka: What makes you think that? I was confirmed in the creation log, showing that I am Akifumii. We already came to consclusions that Akifumii was not Afro-Eurasian. Xermano (talk) 17:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Xermano, the same patterns of behavior. Personal data which are changing from user name to user name, prietenulmeu. Borsoka (talk) 18:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

•  Clerk declined: The evidence is fairly circumstantial and I don't believe is enough to warrant a CU request. Given other BEANS evidence (email me if you're interested) I don't believe they are related (clerks it's the usual stuff we check). So I've declined the CU check, but I'll leave the request open for others to comment. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:19, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• After I leave this comment, I will close this with no action. As I understand it, there are only a couple of things that the OP says tie Akifumii to the master. First, he uses an alternative user signature. Many, many people do that, so that is of no consequence. Second, he put an unreferenced tag on an article that was referenced. That, although misguided, is not enough to brand him a puppet. Others make mistakes with templates. He isn't the first. Beyond that, Akifumii has an impressive list of credentials, here in a very short time in terms of the privileges that have been accorded him, and elsewhere in other wiki and wikimedia projects that make it unlikely that he is a puppet of anyone. I'm afraid I have no clue as to what Callanecc is referring to ("clerks it's the usual stuff we check"), but then I'm always the last to know anything. Regardless of that, though, there's not enough evidence to do a CU or to block behaviorally.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:27, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• As I understand it, Xermano did not ask to have his account renamed but created it himself on August 10. He then immediately went to Xaosflux's talk page to discuss it. He has also stopped editing with the old account and has been fully disclosing about the whole thing. Moreover, the apparent accusation that he was attempting to obscure this sock report in doing so is not credible for two reasons. First, I had already declined the report days before he changed the name. Second, he fully disclosed the relationship on the new page and has redirected the old account to the new one, again all of this happening after I had evaluated and declined the report. Nothing Borsoka says has convinced me to change the decline.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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