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Art Renewal Movement

The Art Renewal Movement is a 21st century reactionary contemporary art movement, which seeks to restore technical skills and craftsmanship to what these artist believe were lost in modernism and post-modernism. It is a return to-the-basics approach, which framed 19th century French academies as the epitome of art education, just as the Renaissance framed ancient Greek and Roman art in the same way. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Art Renewal Movement, think of it as a 21st century contemporary Renaissance. 199.7.157.95 (talk) 10:46, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced nonsense, verges on vandalism...Modernist (talk) 01:11, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you have been denying the existence of the Art Renewal Movement for years (as far back as 2007 on the Talk:Abstract art. With an account name like "Modernist", I feel it is safe to assume that your preferred art style is one of the modernist ones. Just because you don't like an art movement, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are literally dozens of academies and ateliers around the world which are part of the ever-growing art renewal movement. I personally trained at the Toronto Academy of Realist Art under Fernando Freitas (http://academyofrealistart.com/arawp/), for instance. I also received a scholarship from the Art Renewal Center (https://www.artrenewal.org/).

Even people who disagree with the Art Renewal Movement's philosophy are not so draconian as to deny its existence, http://www.post-gazette.com/frontpage/2007/08/20/Gifted-artist-Bouguereau-s-work-controversial-more-than-a-century-after-his-death/stories/200708200191. 76.10.168.53 (talk) 02:48, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody's denying its existence. There's an article on it. It's a website called Art Renewal Center, not an art movement or style. It's as simple as that. By the way, you seem to be having some problems with google: that garbled mess of links up there are the results of you searching for "art", "renewal" and "movement" as separate words and the results have nothing to to with the website or support in any way that there's an art movement called "art renewal movement". freshacconci (✉) 03:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.dailypaintersguild.com/about.html "This site is the culmination of careful thought and selection, and we believe it represents some of the finest art and artists in the Art Renewal Movement of Representational Art." 2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:RS: the website for some painting group is not a reliable source. Nothing you have shown is a reliable source. Art Renewal Center exists. It's a website. Art renewal movement is a group of words some people use and there is no evidence of notability per WP:RS or WP:NOTE. freshacconci (✉) 03:50, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Professor Clive Powsey writes: "In recent decades there has been an art renewal movement to bring back traditional drawing (and painting) methods from very early in the 20th Century and the 19th Century, methods used in the so called 'academic' ateliers and schools. These fairly rote and inflexible traditional art educations involved meticulous copying of drawings and plaster casts. Charles Barque was one of the primary artists who developed a widely distributed drawing program based on a technique called 'sight sizing' from plaster casts and portfolios of lithographs of mainly classical sculpture. The sight sizing technique is really a variation of our more casual 'eyeballing'. Using it, your subject, usually a drawing or sculpture or model, is placed beside your paper and from a prescribed distance, using string and plum line, the observer meticulously takes measurements from the subject and plots them on the paper." http://clivepowseyartinstruction.weebly.com/drawing-the-basicsdrawing-and-rendering-for-metal-jewelery-designers.html 2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You really need to read WP:RS. That's someone's personal website. That is not a source. Further, that is clearly written as a phrase, not as any suggestion of an actual movement. Much like your problems with google, you are simply finding matches of those words and claiming they are saying what you want them to say. Four editors have reverted you. That means the information stays out until consensus is reached to warrant inclusion. I have repeatedly discussed this with you and yet you persist in being disruptive. Read WP:BRD and WP:SOAPBOX. And read WP:RS. freshacconci (✉) 04:01, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a contemporary atelier in Australia which specifically uses the term "Art Renewal Movement" to describe their educational philosophy. https://www.atelierartclasses.com/aacblog/2011/10/30/a-cast-of-thousands.html This article was written as far back as 2011! There are literally about a hundred academies and ateliers which are part of the Art Renewal Movement. Many artists feel ripped off from their University and College programs, which no longer focus on traditional drawing skills, and instead go the atelier/academy route. Are you suggesting that all of these academies/ateliers, which are part of the Art Renewal Movement, don't exist? Most of them predate the Art Renewal Center. 2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC (talk) 04:07, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you're not going to bother reading and understanding WP:RS, you're not going to get very far. The mere existence of there words appearing together does not mean anything and a website for an art school is about as far from a reliable source as you can get. As I have said, the onus is on you not me or the other three editors. You are making the claim, it's up to you to refrain from restoring the edit and providing your case here and obtain consensus. You have not done that. I can tell you this: Wikipedia policy and guidelines are on my side. I have no intention of hanging out reverting you. At a later time, another editor or myself will simply remove whatever you put it, based on Wikipedia policy and guidelines. So, if not tonight, then tomorrow, if you incorrectly restore your edit, it will be removed. Per guidelines. And just to be clear: mere existence does not mean notable. We go by sources and you have provided none. And you linking to Art Renewal Center with a piping for "art renewal" is just a deceptive runaround notability guidelines. It's a list of art movements and Art Renewal Center is not a movement and there is no evidence of notability for art renewal as a movement. freshacconci (✉) 04:22, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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	:::::::: Here's a contemporary atelier in Australia which specifically uses the term "Art Renewal Movement" to describe their educational philosophy. https://www.atelierartclasses.com/aacblog/2011/10/30/a-cast-of-thousands.html This article was written as far back as 2011! There are literally about a hundred academies and ateliers which are part of the Art Renewal Movement. Many artists feel ripped off from their University and College programs, which no longer focus on traditional drawing skills, and instead go the atelier/academy route. Are you suggesting that all of these academies/ateliers, which are part of the Art Renewal Movement, don't exist? Most of them predate the Art Renewal Center. [[Special:Contributions/2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC\|2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC]] ([[User talk:2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC\|talk]]) 04:07, 10 June 2017 (UTC)		:::::::: Here's a contemporary atelier in Australia which specifically uses the term "Art Renewal Movement" to describe their educational philosophy. https://www.atelierartclasses.com/aacblog/2011/10/30/a-cast-of-thousands.html This article was written as far back as 2011! There are literally about a hundred academies and ateliers which are part of the Art Renewal Movement. Many artists feel ripped off from their University and College programs, which no longer focus on traditional drawing skills, and instead go the atelier/academy route. Are you suggesting that all of these academies/ateliers, which are part of the Art Renewal Movement, don't exist? Most of them predate the Art Renewal Center. [[Special:Contributions/2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC\|2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC]] ([[User talk:2607:F2C0:943A:B100:ADAD:A6D3:EC42:F1CC\|talk]]) 04:07, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
			:::::::::If you're not going to bother reading and understanding [[WP:RS]], you're not going to get very far. The mere existence of there words appearing together does not mean anything and a website for an art school is about as far from a reliable source as you can get. As I have said, the onus is on ''you'' not me or the other three editors. You are making the claim, it's up to you to refrain from restoring the edit and providing your case here and obtain consensus. You have not done that. I can tell you this: Wikipedia policy and guidelines are on my side. I have no intention of hanging out reverting you. At a later time, another editor or myself will simply remove whatever you put it, based on Wikipedia policy and guidelines. So, if not tonight, then tomorrow, if you incorrectly restore your edit, it will be removed. Per guidelines. And just to be clear: mere existence does not mean notable. We go by sources and you have provided none. And you linking to Art Renewal Center with a piping for "art renewal" is just a deceptive runaround notability guidelines. It's a list of art movements and Art Renewal Center is not a movement and there is no evidence of notability for ''art renewal'' as a movement. [[User:Freshacconci\|<b><FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT></b>]][[User talk:Freshacconci\|<font color="#FF0000"> (✉)</font>]] 04:22, 10 June 2017 (UTC)