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As [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#aware.aware]] was [[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Archive 21#Discretionary Sanctions: Awareness and alerts: Motion|amended in July]], could a corresponding note be added to the section? Thanks. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 19:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Adler's Laws of Wikipedia:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=253291032#Statement_by_User:Hans_Adler]
:Done. Best, '''[[User:L235|Kevin]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]] '''·''' [[User talk:L235#top|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 23:07, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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My current user name, Eric Corbett, is my real name, but like everyone else here I had to choose a username that was unique, so I initially chose Malleus Fatuorum. I make this statement because I don't want to hide behind a pretend shield of anonymity.


I made my first edit to Wikipedia on [[6 June]] [[2006]], a minor copy edit to the [[Delian League]],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Delian_League&diff=prev&oldid=56759943] but I didn't begin to contribute regularly until February 2007. One of the first articles I contributed significantly to was [[Sale, Greater Manchester]], which achieved GA probably despite my efforts.
May I please have an update on the status of the clerk-led RFC to be held on harassment? I would like to reiterate my request that [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Archive_21#Is_the_harassment_RFC_waiting_on_specific_event(s)?|a working group may be more appropriate]] in this case, but I would be happy to express that view in an RFC as well. [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 22:51, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
When [[Chat Moss]] was promoted to FA on New Year's Eve 2007, I felt that maybe I was beginning to understand what was expected of a Wikipedia article, and since then I've helped to get a few more articles to GA and FA. I've also created more than 160 new articles, three of which are now FAs and three are GAs.
:{{re|EllenCT}} We're still internally discussing this – it may be some time before we are able to begin the RfC. Best, '''[[User:L235|Kevin]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]] '''·''' [[User talk:L235#top|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 23:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)


For those who're interested, I've had two unsuccessful RFAs, one in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Malleus Fatuarum|2007]] and the other in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Malleus Fatuarum 2|2008]]
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Should [[WP:ARBCOM]] describe and link to the forthcoming elections? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Staying alive since 2005!]])</small> 19:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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: It was also not there last year (I guess it was never there, or at least not recently), but I agree that one should be able to reasonably easily arrive to thew ArvCom election page starting from the ArbCom page.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 20:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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*[http://toolserver.org/~tparis/autoedits/index.php Automated edits counter]
*[http://toolserver.org/~magnus/makeref.php Reference generator]
*[http://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php Catscan]
*[http://www.isbn.org/converterpub.asp ISBN converter/formatter]
*[http://toolserver.org/~tparis/articleinfo/ Article editing history]
*[http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/index.html Snottywong's tools]
*[http://toolserver.org/~overlordq/scripts/articlecontribs.fcgi?lang=en&family=wikipedia&article=Ordsall_Hall&user=Malleus+Fatuorum&sub=1 Contributions to page]
*[http://toolserver.org/~tparis/blame/ Article blamer]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked Show recent changes to linked articles]
*[http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/commentsearch.cgi?name=Malleus+Fatuorum&search=speedy+deletion+nomination&max=100&nosect=1&ns=none CSD requests]
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2. Discretionary Sanctions changes this to first mover advantage. No other administrator can remove the sanction without clear consensus--this is called stickiness. This causes a different form of unfairness, by favoring the actions of whichever admins are prepared to enforce most aggressively. Making DS more sticky was essential--but we seem to have over-done it. We need to balance.
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3. We could modify Discretionary Sanction slightly for balance by decreasing the stickiness. this could be done by:
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMalleus_Fatuorum&action=historysubmit&diff=410172797&oldid=410171313 I am at best a D-grade GA reviewer, with little interest in article quality]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMalleus_Fatuorum&action=historysubmit&diff=413806118&oldid=413715502 I'm destroying the integrity of wikipedia]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARodhullandemu&action=historysubmit&diff=414152912&oldid=414112684 I am some form of insect, possibly a cockroach ...]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rodhullandemu&diff=next&oldid=414152912 ... or perhaps a juvenile amoeba]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMalleus_Fatuorum&action=historysubmit&diff=396443877&oldid=396443350 "I know I've previously blocked you incorrectly ... but it is my considered opinion that general patience of you is running out"]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28miscellaneous%29&action=historysubmit&diff=439478387&oldid=439471484 "I still think that using the term 'polite' to describe anything regarding Malleus's interaction style to be almost humerously inaccurate"]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_criteria&diff=prev&oldid=442593143 "I believe that I would be far from the only person who would rate you as being ... more needlessly insulting than the median GA reviewer"].
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AGood_article_criteria&action=historysubmit&diff=442625172&oldid=442620333 "I believe that your departure from GAN would result in ... happier contributors".]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&diff=prev&oldid=448325666 I am a moron], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&diff=prev&oldid=448316685 too stupid for my own good.]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Karanacs&diff=prev&oldid=447593741 I am a self-appointed elitist snob.]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John&diff=next&oldid=448592612 "You appear to be prepared to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point."]
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:::This would mean limiting the length on the various sanctions (at least, eliminate indefinite--those cases meriting indefinite could be done by ordinary sanctions, not AE) , and by removing the right to invent unusual sanctions. Probably it would be easier to have just a small change: remove indef, limit to 6 months., remove the phrase "or anything else that would help".
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::c/. '''discouraging individuals from dominating the process'''.
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I believe that the [[WP:GA|good article]] process is potentially one of the best initiatives in Wikipedia&nbsp;– a lightweight, although to some controversial, process that generates a significant improvement in article quality. So I decided it was only fair to try and help out by taking on some of the reviews. This is a list of the GA nominations I've reviewed:
KEEP IN MIND that the entire set of rules grew up gradually as Arb procedures. Therefore, adopting any of these changes needs to be either done by the Arbitration Committee, or by the very difficult process of changing Arbitration Policy.


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*[[The Tale of Mrs. Tiggy-Winkle]] {{GAList/check|y}}
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*[[Eastbourne manslaughter]] {{GAList/check|y}}
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:I believe a discretionary-sanction block is limited [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#sanctions.user|to one year]]. Your reason for DS existing (to remove second mover advantage) is valid but I think another important point is that DS are available for contentious topics where any discussion of a proposed sanction would be hotly contested. DS allows an admin to cut through that with "you are blocked" to stop behavior considered unproductive. Further, participants know that they may be blocked without warning and that focuses their minds on being as nice as possible. Therefore, I think an admin should be able to issue an immediate block (or other sanction such as a topic ban), without discussion. However, I like the idea of limiting such a block to perhaps a month or even a week. I have seen clumsy enforcement with wildly escalating blocks that inflame tensions and a low first-mover limit should be tried. A longer block (up to a year) might require, say, 72 hours discussion at WP:AE. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
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:Regarding {{tq|The reason we have '''Discretionary Sanctions''' (DS) is to eliminate the second mover advantage in ordinary administrative sanctions.--topic bans, interaction bans, blocks. }}: bans are not ordinary administrative sanctions. Ordinarily, they can [[Wikipedia:Banning_policy|only be imposed by the community or the Arbitration Committee]]. Discretionary sanctions, as I understand it, was invented as a way for the Arbitration Committee to delegate some of its authority to administrators for issuing bans, in specific areas it identifies as contentious. As Johnuniq mentioned, I believe this possibility for quick reactions to problematic editors can help dowse inflammatory discussion. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 06:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
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#Yes, it was invented by arb com. It started off a little differently than now, with at first ease case doing it a little differently. It has more recently been regularized. My impression is that arb com did not fully realize how sticky it would prove to be. I am stopping short of saying it was a mistake altogether. It of something like it was needed at the time, because of the presence of admin cabals supporting each other. This problem is much less significant now-- partly as a result of actions by the Committee, partly because of a change in community attitude, there is much less tolerance of dubious admin activity now, and much more effective use of discussions at the admin boards. This place is no longer the wild west, and has less need of self-appointed marshals.
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#There is one active indefinite block,and several others that were placed, but since rescinded.There are many indefinite topic bans.
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#quick action when needed can be stopped by normal admin blocks, and in fact can be done even quicker because of the absence of notifying and logging requirements. I'm not proposing the end of these. For short-term blocks, stickiness is not required.
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#"people know they can be blocked without warning and that focusses their mind..." -- that's another problem. Since anyone can threaten to ask for a DS, and any admin can threaten to place one themselves, this threat is itself a dangerously powerful and tool, and is used frequently by some admins-- some of them sometimes even to enforce their preferred subject POV. It's an effective way to shut down minority positions--it scares people.
#"DS allows an admin to cut through that with "you are blocked" to stop behavior considered unproductive" -- note the word ''considered'' -- not judged, not evaluated, n, just what any one of our 400 admins "considers" unproductive. And note the word "unproductive". The admin role is to stop active that is ''disruptive.'' What is merely unproductive, describes half the arguments on WP. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 10:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
#And to clarify , I'd be glad to achieve any one of several first steps--as mentioned, the suggestion to decrease the maximum time would be a good way to start. If it proves too much of a restriction, it can be easily changed back.'''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 10:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
:{{u|DGG}}, please discuss the importance of your questions. Have you noticed a trend towards ineffective enforcement, or something else, which prompted you to argue for changing the ease with which sanctions can be issued? <span class="nowrap">[[User:AGK|<span style="color:black;">'''AGK'''</span>]][[User talk:AGK#top|<span style="color: black;">&nbsp;&#9632;</span>]]</span> 13:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

:::Before I was elected to arb com in 2014, I had followed Arb Com cases, but once the decisions were made, I paid little attention to implementation.. Once I was on the committee, I became of course more involved in the discussion on-wiki and on the arb mailing list about proposed penalties, and also the changes in details of notfication that were being requested and implemented. During my second term, I expressed several times my increasing doubts, and I think finally abstained on 1 or 2 decisions remedies, and gave this as the reason. to AE. And I recalled some discussions with present and past members of the committee where there seemed to be views that one of the reason we never fixed Discretionary Sanctions was because we could not figure out what to fix it to. I agreed that I too could not think of an alternative.
:::When I was not reelected in the 2018 election, I decided to use my experience to watch and perhaps participate in enforcement. A few months ago, I noted [[User:Awilley/Discretionary sanctions|an admin's page]] on some new sanctions they was using, and joined in the discussion on that talk page, to the extent that one of those sanctions was changed. About a month ago, I made a more specific comment there about sanctions in a particular currently contentious area, American Politics. I had been looking at that area because of discussions about the appropriate breadth of the sanctions, and it looked that there might possibly be over-involved participation. This started me thinking if I might have some suggestions, not just objections. I discovered I could at last find some suggestions--not for replacement necessarily, but at least modification. The admin asked me to explain further, people suggested that we move to a more visible place, and here I am. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 15:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
::::And, more immediately, I wanted a topic for my lighting talk at WM-NorthAmerica in Boston this very morning.'''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 16:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
*I think some variation of proposal '''"a"''' above would be a good thing. I see Discretionary Sanctions as a few extra tools for admins who work in troubled areas. Typically we have 3 main tools: warnings, blocks, and page protection. DS adds a few more specialized tools like topic bans and revert restrictions, but with the caveat that no other admin can reverse DS without a consensus of admins. I've never liked that last bit, and I think it would be better if topic bans were treated more like regular blocks (a second admin should not reverse it without first discussing with the first admin, but it should be able to be handled like an unblock request without a huge appeal process at WP:AE). {{pb}}I've also thought that maybe at some point in the future, topic bans could be replaced with a form of [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative/Partial_blocks Partial blocks] that simply cover a topic area. That could remove a lot of ambiguity that is currently contained in the words "broadly construed" and prevent people from accidentally violating the topic bans. The pattern of having one's opponents stalk edits, looking for and reporting violations, would no longer be necessary. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~[[User:Awilley|Awilley]] <small>([[User talk:Awilley|talk]])</small></span> 20:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
*I like Awilley's suggestion about using partial blocks in place of topic bans. It has never really made sense to me that an admin, acting alone in regular admin capacity, can issue an indefinite block, but AE blocks are required to be limited in time. The purpose of AE is to handle the things that are too difficult for regular admin action, so I would think it would stand to reason that AE cases would often deal with problems that justify an idef. And I see no problem with making ''any'' kind of sanction indef, so long as there is a viable appeal process. I was heavily involved in an AE case that just ended recently, and something that I think I observed is that, even with DS, the AE admins had a very hard time enacting sanctions that they had all agreed were appropriate, apparently because of cautiousness over being criticized for their decision. I think that once ArbCom has gone through an entire case and determined that DS should apply in some area, admins should feel empowered to act decisively, and I'm not sure that they actually ''do'' feel that way. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

::<small>Just noting that we don't actually have the technical capability of placing partial blocks yet. They're only available on Test Wiki, and even there it's not feasible to place a block on a large number of pages. And I'm honestly not sure how that would work...possibly something like an edit filter that blocks editing to all pages where the associated talk page contains the template of a particular WikiProject? <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~[[User:Awilley|Awilley]] <small>([[User talk:Awilley|talk]])</small></span> 23:41, 10 November 2019 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>Yes, I know that. But it seems worth pursuing. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)</small>

*I think {{U|DGG}} raises quite an important point; that the structure of current DS favors the most aggressive enforcement. This can cause problems in and of itself; I've taken issue with many sanctions issued unilaterally; but I've also seen it cause trouble when unilateral sanctions are then appealed or further discussed because they were unilateral ''and'' perceived to be too harsh, whereas a consensus decision would perhaps carry more weight. Now I see the arguments against requiring admin consensus at AE, but I think we need to find a middle path here, especially for those actions that are brought to AE. Perhaps at the very least, we should make it clear that admins should not be placing unilateral sanctions when there is consensus, even weak consensus, against those very sanctions. I think the rest of the DS regime, honestly, is a Good Thing, and allows us to speedily deal with a lot of bullshit that would otherwise render our [[WP:CESSPIT]] quite impossible to deal with. {{U|Tryptofish}} to answer a point you raise, I think it makes a lot of sense to limit the duration of DS blocks, because DS blocks may be placed for a wider set of reasons than regular ones. If an editor is serially disruptive in an obvious manner, then they need an indef, but in those situations DS do not typically need to be invoked; conversely, the blocks placed under DS are often for complex bad behavior that editors may, theoretically, unlearn with time. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 02:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
*:After arbitration case {{ArbCase|2015-10}}, the discretionary sanctions procedures were updated to state {{tq|When a consensus of uninvolved administrators is emerging in a discussion, administrators willing to overrule their colleagues should act with caution and must explain their reasons on request.}} As [[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Statement by isaacl|I said in January 2018]] as part of an amendment request for arbitration case {{ArbCase|2015-5}}, neither arbitration case {{ArbCase|2015-10}} nor {{ArbCase|2015-15}} made much progress on balancing the goal of discretionary sanctions&mdash;{{tq|[[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#admin.expect|to create an acceptable collaborative editing environment for even our most contentious articles]]}}&mdash;with the need to have safeguards against arbitrary enforcement decisions. I suggested having circuit-breaker rules to trigger the need for a consensus discussion before any sanctions could be applied, though I'm still uncertain what set of rules would be appropriate. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 05:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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