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::I did. The articles I posted are indeed multiple sources confirming that he died of covid. You and the other couple of deniers summoned by Ivanvector ([[WP:Canvassing]]), on the other hand, have not provided anything more than a couple of outlets using an euphemism for covid. --[[User:Tognella99|Tognella99]] ([[User talk:Tognella99|talk]]) 00:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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Initial comment

Is this article a stub? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.155.48 (talk) 23:26, 9 April 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Bullworker

Dave Prowse was involved with the first Bullworker model when it came out in the early 1970s. There is a full-length photo of him in the exercise booklet. -- 82.9.220.244 22:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Darth Vader

Why David Prowse didn't act as Darth Vader in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.93.174.102 (talk • contribs) at 14:37, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Because the poor guy is almost 70. Let him retire already. :) Robert Mercer 18:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It all started due to some argument Prowse had with Lucas (Prowse wasn't invited to the premieres). According to Prowse, he actually hoped that Lucas would get into contact with him for episode 3. It was not to be though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashimashadoo (talk • contribs) at 02:48, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sir ?

Since Prowse now has an MBE would he also be allowed to use the title "Sir" ? This is how Paul McCartney's page lists it. Dowew 23:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

According to some lengthy discussion at Talk:British honours system, MBE is not a knightly rank, and so does not accord its holder the style "Sir". However, some MBEs have also been made knights bachelor, which has no postnominals but is a knightly rank (but not membership in a knightly order). So "Sir Paul McCartney, MBE" is not "Sir" because of the MBE, but happens to be both an MBE and a knight bachelor. Talk about arcane. --Delirium 02:51, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

David Prowse IS Darth Vader

He was signing his autographs like that long before Episodes 1-3. This article gives the impression that he recently started this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.149.228.71 (talk • contribs) at 19:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

info?

Hey, if you need any info just ask me... I'm his nephew! Cokehabit 02:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crumbs. But there's a problem, which is that Wikipedia can't use original research or first-hand information. I'm not sure of the conventions that come into play when a famous person edits his own Wikipedia entry, but facts and figures all have to have an authoritative source from a book or newspaper (for example). Otherwise we'd have a situation where John Prescott could add reams of information about his kindness to animals and love of opera etc that no-one else would be able to verify. - Ashley Pomeroy 02:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David Prowse's height

so many sources list david prowse as 6'7" and Darth Vader also as 6'7". Now what is David's real height? He's always stated 6'7" in anything I've read (also see his website) and looks it in pictures from the 70's and 80's, but has lost height in the last decade or so because of medical problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lieutenant Dol Grenn (talk • contribs) at 11:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David Prowse used to be 6' 7" but he has lost two inches due to his age. He is now 6' 5" in height. Visit celebheights.com for more info. MM 11:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

arthritis

What kind of arthritis does he have? Was it juvenile rheumatoid arthritis that then became ordinary rheumatoid arthritis, or is it another kind? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.206.139 (talk • contribs) at 21:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any Relation?

Is David related to Juliet Prowse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.75.232.54 (talk • contribs) at 08:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sad to say, no. Juliet's parents were South African; David, as noted in the biography, was a native of Bristol. – Wbwn 18:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added FUR for Dave Prowse Champions.JPG

I've added a fair use rationale to Image:Dave Prowse Champions.JPG, and removed the deletion notifications as I believe there is no reason to remove this image. Feel free to improve the rationale if you can. Cheers, Face 18:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Other activities'

Article says "In January 2009 Prowse teamed up with respected musician Jayce Lewis after the pair managing his band. Jayce Lewis signed a 5 year deal with Industry giant EMI Records later Prowse and Lewis formed an association with Dave being his sole contact for PR, An alliance that has proven very successful .[5]" There's a bunch of partial sentences and such in this that someone aught to clear up. I'm not sure what it's supposed to say so I'll not try. 68.148.227.148 (talk) 01:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)AMCKen[reply]

I noticed this too, but the source link doesn't provide any clues. I recommend removing this paragraph, as it currently makes no sense. Nosecohn (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Darth Vader malaise?

Would it be worth noting that Prowse has shown a Gary Coleman-esque displeasure with constantly being associated with Darth Vader? I know we would need a larger array of testimonials to make it more credible, but speaking from personal experience, it might be true (or have been at one point). I don't know the specific date or location, but some time in the late 1990s my mother met Prowse at a convention where she reports he was very sluggish and grumpy, not even looking up at fans as they came up to have him autograph various Star Wars memorabilia. When she slid a Clockwork Orange poster under his drooping head, he paused with surprise before perking up with glee and acknowledging his delight that someone remembered any of his other roles. An amusing anecdote, but can anyone confirm similar behavior and, if so, proof that he may or may not think this way today? He could have just been having an off day, all those years ago, but I thought it would be worth bringing up. CrunchyB (talk) 05:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. His official website, www.darthvader-starwars.com, seems to indicate that he relishes, or at least has resigned himself to, the association. Nosecohn (talk) 03:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reomoved

I spent a few hours adding references and links to this site but some user has edited them out. Can people please keep references in place! The links if who ever you are, had followed them where of interviews with him. Also link about his body building etc. Also the fact the paper stories in 2010 have been removed abou his latest up set with Lucus Films. WHY? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.29.221.1 (talk) 14:08, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why?

Is someone able to provide information as to why it was necessary not to inform Prowse about Darth Vader's true line in The Empire Strikes Back, and add this to the article? It seems rather curious. --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 00:49, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it would be awfully interesting to know what line he had instead at the filming of the scene.--Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 22:50, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Empire_Strikes_Back#Production "Like the rest of the crew, Prowse—who spoke all of Vader's lines during filming—was given a false page that contained dialogue with the revelatory line being 'Obi-Wan killed your father.'" I think the reason is clear. The more people know the more likely it is that someone will accidentally reveal it. -- DvsseI (talk) 20:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

James Earl Jones

Why should the voice actor of Darth Vader get credit in the first para and not any of the other half dozen or so actors who portrayed Dart Vader? This makes it seem like only two people played Vader. It should be all or none.

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Date of death

His agent says in a Facebook post that he died yesterday morning. --Thibaut (talk) 10:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that BBC is confirming the date. Please see https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/29/entertainment/david-prowse-darth-vadar-star-wars-dies-gbr-scli-intl/index.html Jurisdicta (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Right eye

What was wrong with his right eye/eyesocket, which seemed to be disfigured in his old age? Not being nasty, just genuinely interested (and I doubt I'm the only person who wondered).Paulturtle (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder whether it was some condition caused by excessive bone growth, which afflicts very tall people. Richard Kiel's facial features grew ever odder as he got older. But I'm happy to be corrected.Paulturtle (talk) 04:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Euronews obituary

Have they taken information from here for the Gym bit, I wanted to use the source for a cn tag, do peeps this this is okay to use or not? euronews source. Govvy (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death

Hi all. This article from the Mirror has a direct quote from his daughter specifically stating he died from Covid 19. "Rachel said: "He died of coronavirus. It's horrible to have not got to see him on the ward and say goodbye, it makes it even harder." https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/darth-vader-star-david-prowses-23090928 I hope you add it in please. the last paragraph of the article says he died of Covid-19. I can't find a proper source for this. He was diagnosed with cancer in 2009, which is stated even in the sources given after the paraggraphs's sources. Or he died of an "illness". Only news.au, citing British tabloid the Sun, mentions covid-19. Saemikneu (talk) 12:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it. Almost all sources that were reporting on this yesterday (BBC, CBC, CNN, the Star Wars website) say "a short illness", "an unspecified illness", or the like. The Sun reports that his daughter confirmed that he died of coronavirus, but the quote they attribute that to is "It’s horrible that Covid restrictions meant we did not get to see him and say goodbye." Those restrictions would have prevented their visiting the hospital no matter the cause of death; it's a sensationalized attribution, and had he actually died of the coronavirus it no doubt would be much more significant news (as it was for John Prine, etc). The other sources repeating this attribute it to The Sun or "UK papers". Unless a more reliable source runs with this, it's a rumour and we should not repeat it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware that the following is not a valid wiki source, but will place it in this discussion, as it seems some users are intent on inserting incorrect information. His daughter did *not* confirm covid-19 to the Sun. Source - I was in the room. As Ivanvector correctly identifies, if she had done so, there would be a direct attributable quote saying so. There is not. Redmark (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
While this piece from Deadline Hollywood—which is a generally reliable source—seems to go so far as to assert that Prowse not only had COVID, but the length of time he had been hospitalized with it, upon closer inspection, it stops short of actually producing a quote beyond that one from the Sun (a deprecated source) that appears to have been sufficiently litigated here. With all of this being known, I think there should be a hidden note in the death section pointing to this to deter any further edits, pending a confirmation from something that does not run back to The Sun.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I have added the note.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:02, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deadline says that he died from COVID-19:

https://deadline.com/2020/11/david-prowse-darth-vader-covid-coronavirus-cause-of-death-star-wars-1234623134/ MikaelaArsenault (talk) 14:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this is the same article that I previously referenced in this discussion. The issues that are causing significant pause here is that the article only refers back to a report in The Sun, and the quote that they feature from his daughter only mentions that the family could not be with Prowse at the end of his life due to COVID-19 restrictions, not necessarily because he specifically had COVID. Any further inference appears to be conjecture and should be considered as such, unless a reliable source can independently confirm otherwise.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed cause of death

It's accepted that David Prowse was infected with COVID-19. It turned out to be very severe and he died shortly after. SohamDG (talk) 18:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for this? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As an update, this was picked up by a columnist and published in the National Post ([1]), generally a very reliable source for things that aren't the Canadian oil industry, however the columnist clearly refers to the quote published in the Sun over the weekend. It's still not being widely reported, and I think we still should not include it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all. This article from the Mirror has a direct quote from his daughter specifically stating he died from Covid 19. "Rachel said: "He died of coronavirus. It's horrible to have not got to see him on the ward and say goodbye, it makes it even harder." https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/darth-vader-star-david-prowses-23090928 I hope you add it in please. It has a direct quote from his daughter and is from the Mirror not the Sun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.19.97.116 (talk) 06:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RSPSRC says about the Daily Mirror: "The Daily Mirror is a tabloid newspaper that publishes tabloid journalism. There is no consensus on whether its reliability is comparable to other British tabloids." Interesting that the quote that they attributed to Prowse's daughter is different from the one the Sun published, that raises doubts in my mind. It's still not being repeated by more generally reliable sources, and I think it's still not good enough. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jaws

I just found this interview with Prowse which was recently uploaded on youtube. From about 10:30 [2] he says he was offered the part of Jaws from James Bond before Richard Kiel. Is this source admissible? G-13114 (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't have used the Youtube video, but seems like you found a better source anyway. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Page move?

Why was the page moved without discussion?? Govvy (talk) 14:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. A google search for "David Prowse" returns 6,790,000 results, whilst a search for "Dave Prowse" returns 4,380,000 results. So it appears the former name was the more common. [EDIT: I tried to link directly to the search results but the link just went to the main Google page, so you'll just have to do your own search to confirm it.] G-13114 (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't doubt the logic behind the move but, Necrothesp For an admin, I feel you've been rather short sighted here and should of request a page move with weight of evidence for it rather than move the page which has been sitting here for a rather long time under this name. Just feels like an admin breaking all the rules! Govvy (talk) 23:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I saw the move but thought it was rational and within the scope of WP:BOLD. If there's a better argument to have it at the old title, the right thing to do would be to start a move request. Admin rights have nothing to do with this. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quite. There is no need for discussion if the move is a blatantly obvious and uncontroversial one. I have no idea why this article has been at David Prowse for so long when he has always been commonly known as Dave Prowse since at least 1977 and the appearance of Star Wars. The obits after his death (all of which referred to him as Dave Prowse, as does his own website) just completely confirmed the ludicrousness of the previous article name. Common name is not dictated by Google searches. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But if there is opposition to this I'll move it back and we can have an RM to come to the same conclusion. Frankly I see no need for added bureaucracy for such an obvious move. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:51, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to his own website, both books published in his own name ('Straight from the Forces Mouth' and 'Fitness is Fun') use Dave Prowse rather than David. IMDB page is listed as David, but refers to 'David "Dave" Prowse'.Redmark (talk) 11:23, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In all, I don't know, maybe it needed to be moved, however I fail to see etiquette followed here. It's not hard to have a discussion, present evidence why something should be changed. Instead we have a move action explained as COMMONNAME, which doesn't actually provide sources. Hence why we have move requests in the first place! :/ Govvy (talk) 15:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:IAR. We're here to build an encyclopedia, not to blindly follow rules just for the sake of following them. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:34, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy: So, what are you saying, that we should always open an RM discussion before every page move? Because that's certainly not common procedure on Wikipedia. I must have moved thousands of pages without discussion in my time here. And I've seen many more moved without discussion by other editors. WP:RMNOT #1: I see no controversy here given the overwhelming evidence of his common name. The simple fact is, who actually does know him as David Prowse? And why wasn't this page created as Dave Prowse in the first place? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp: I'm not sure how you've got the idea that it's the common name. Looking at the results of a google news search (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="david+prowse"&tbm=nws&ei=OPnLX6CJAZCW8gKlkorQDg&start=0&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwighZyc4rftAhUQi1wKHSWJAuo4FBDy0wMIhwE&biw=1366&bih=627&dpr=1) The overwhelming majority of news reports refer to him as David............P.S. does anyone know how to make a direct link to a google search result? Simply pasting the URL just takes you to the main page. However pasting the text of the URL and then copying it into your search box seems to work, albeit very cumbersome. G-13114 (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
His own website, his management company's website, The BBC, The Guardian, The Independent, The Telegraph, New York Times, Associated Press, The Sun, Huffington Post. Note that some publications use his full name in the headline, but then refer to him as Dave in the body of the text. This is not unusual in obituaries. Also note that although he was probably billed as David Prowse in the Star Wars films, he was always known as Dave Prowse to fans right from the beginning (yes, I'm old enough to remember the release of the original film in 1977). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I only just came upon this and I am reverting the move. Propose a RM if you disagree. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comments: cause of death

Should Dave Prowse's cause of death be listed as COVID-19? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:09, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's a discussion a few threads up (#Cause of death) about Prowse's recent death, and about whether or not the available sourcing is sufficient to state that he died of COVID-19. The uncertainty revolves around two quotes from Prowse's daughter published in The Sun ([3]) and the Daily Mirror ([4]). WP:RSPSRC describes the Sun as "generally unreliable" and "actively discouraged from being used in any article"; the Daily Mirror is described as "a tabloid newspaper that publishes tabloid journalism". The published quotes are:

  • The Sun: “It’s horrible that Covid restrictions meant we did not get to see him and say goodbye. But when we went to collect his stuff from the hospital the nurse said what a cool guy he was. He was such a larger-than-life character.”
  • The Daily Mirror: ""He died of coronavirus. It's horrible to have not got to see him on the ward and say goodbye, it makes it even harder. We would have had a big celebration of his life, but now [due to coronavirus restrictions] we are not going to be able to do the send off we would have wanted for him."

Many smaller news publications (especially celebrity news) ran with "died of coronavirus" either attributed directly to the Sun or without attribution, however more mainstream news sources did not, (for example the sources currently in use, CNN, BBC, Variety). Those sources instead quote a release by Prowse's agency saying he died "after a short illness" (some sources say "unspecified illness"). Our discussion landed on "after a short, unspecified illness" due to only being able to trace statements back to the two tabloids, and because of a feeling that had he died of coronavirus it would be much more widely reported (as it was with John Prine and Herman Cain, though maybe there are other biases at work there), and/or that if his death was revealed to be due to coronavirus by more official sources that mainstream publications would pick up on it later, but they have not. Despite a hidden comment referring to the discussion, the cause of death has been changed back to COVID-19 several times by drive-bys.

Is the sourcing reliable enough here to say he died of COVID-19, or should it be left as "unspecified"? (Or something else?) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It should be left unspecified. Rondolinda Talk, 10:23 PM 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kire1975:, you mischaracterize your source. That article is not the product of Hollywood Reporter's editorial staff (which would mean they took responsibility for its contents and our RS would apply) it is the personal reminiscences of Nathan Lane. We have no way of knowing from the article if Lane is calling Prowse's death Covid-related because of the social media or tabloid journalism or if he has actual knowledge. The article does not even state how Lane came to think Prowse's death was Covid-related since it is really about Prowse's life, not death. This is not a RS for Prowse's CoD. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

•Yes If THR knows enough to say he died of COVID and has Mark Hamill write an obituary, there is no reason to say we are superior. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://deadline.com/2020/11/david-prowse-darth-vader-covid-coronavirus-cause-of-death-star-wars-1234623134/ https://www.deseret.com/entertainment/2020/12/1/21761708/david-prowse-star-wars-death-covid-19 https://cdn.fullscreen.nz/fullscreen/region-error.html http://www.businessworld.in/article/David-Prowse-died-due-to-COVID-19-confirms-daughter/30-11-2020-348348/ https://www.nme.com/en_asia/news/film/star-wars-icon-david-prowse-battled-coronavirus-before-his-death-2828307 https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-wars-actor-david-prowse-155935782.html https://screenrant.com/david-prowse-death-cause-covid-19/ https://nypost.com/2020/11/30/darth-vader-actor-david-prowse-reportedly-died-from-covid-19/

Most importantly, his own daughter stated that he died of covid, and had obviously no reason to lie about that. Using some lame euphemism like "short illness" and trying to hide that he died of covid would be utterly ridiculous and unworthy of the standards of Wikipedia. Ivanvector seems to be trying all he can to hide the fact that Prowse obviously died of covid, as shown by his previous attempt shown above. --Tognella99 (talk) 20:32, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tognella99:, I think maybe reviewing WP:V and WP:RS would be instructive. What you posted is not "tons of sources" but rather multiple outlets repeating one source -- a social media post by his presumed daughter. Per WP:SOCIAL, this is not acceptable as a RS. Notice every article says that Prowse is reported to have died from Covid or says that his daughter claims he died of Covid. These articles are not independent verification of the cause of death. Furthermore, calling this one editor's attempt to hide something may well be perceived as a WP:PA and should be withdrawn. There are four other editors who independently have reached the same conclusion so Ivanvector is not on a solo coverup kick as you imply. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:13, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I did. The articles I posted are indeed multiple sources confirming that he died of covid. You and the other couple of deniers summoned by Ivanvector (WP:Canvassing), on the other hand, have not provided anything more than a couple of outlets using an euphemism for covid. --Tognella99 (talk) 00:14, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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