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Nomination of Low Happening for deletion

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Nomination of Broken Bones (song) for deletion

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Nomination of Digital Hearts for deletion

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Nomination of Cities Burning Down for deletion

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Nomination of Into the Chaos for deletion

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Nomination of Setting Sun (Howling Bells song) for deletion

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Nomination of Blessed Night for deletion

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Nomination of Wishing Stone for deletion

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The article Howling Bells related media has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This is all info that should be in the article on the band and has no reason for its own page

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Yaksar (let's chat) 05:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

February 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, but at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Howling Bells, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted (undone) by ClueBot NG.

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Nomination of Digital Hearts for deletion

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May I suggest

May I suggest adding some new information on these songs into the Howling Bells discography article? There's nothing wrong with having them in the encyclopedia, they just aren't notable enough for their own page.--Yaksar (let's chat) 02:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You can suggest that but merging them with the discography doesn't make sense because of the length and detail I put into each song's article. The discography page would become unnecessarily expansive, and two of the songs were even notable enough to chart. mattchewbaca (talk) 02:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Howling Bells articles

Hi Mattchewbaca (still love that username), sorry I didn't get back to you sooner! Regarding your articles, I'm afraid the reality is that each one probably doesn't have enough coverage in appropriate sources to support an article. Content needs to be referenced by reliable and indepedent sources, and I'm afraid most of your articles on the singles are referenced to self-published and other non-independent sources. I know you've had some difficulty with Yaksar, but I'm afraid I agree with his/her advice: whatever content is cited in reliable sources can be merged into the articles on the albums or the discography.  -- Lear's Fool 12:19, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Your GA nomination of Radio Wars (album)

The article Radio Wars (album) you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Radio Wars (album) for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a reassessment. Novice7 (talk) 14:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Wars

Hi Mattchewbaca. I must say, your work is just amazing. I hope to see many GAs from you. So, I saw your replies at the GA archive. Regarding the references, {{cite web}} template has a "publisher" and a "work" field. Work shows the website or magazine, and publisher shows the group/people who publish/maintain the website. We have to fill up both. Take Allmusic for instance. Here, we fill up work as "allmusic" and publisher as "Rovi Corporation" (in most cases the wiki page would have the publisher information). Take a look at Howling Bells (The reception section). I've formatted the references properly. Follow that pattern. As for Discogs, it contains user submitted content, which is not reliable. If you want to source something like producers, or engineers, try Allmusic or source the {{Cite album-notes}}. The table won't affect, but prose is better, in my opinion. I know I messed up the references thing, so feel free to post question on my talk page. I'll surely try to help you out. Novice7 (talk) 04:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, Novice7. Thank you for the kind compliments and for taking the time to show me how to edit better and the right way also. That is nice and I appreciate it. I have edited these: Howling Bells and Howling Bells, I think that they are pretty good now, what do you think? Mattchewbaca • meow 06:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Very good. They look amazing now! Great job and good luck. Novice7 (talk) 04:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Howling Bells and Howling Bells at GAN

Unfortunately both these articles have failed their first attempt at GA. As indicated in my reviews there were considerable changes needed, especially in Criteria 1 and 2. You made a massive effort to get them improved and should be encouraged by how well they look now. With a little more work you can renominate them and hopefully they'll get passed next time.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help in improving the articles. They read a lot better now and the refs look great. I'm going to work on fixing the issues you're referring to. I'll leave comments concerning your review on the articles' talk pages. Mattchewbaca (meow) 21:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Howling Bells renominated?

When re-nominating an article you should indicate that this is its second attempt at GA. You need to change the page number to 2. This will start a new review page so that users can see that it has occurred after you have improved the article from its first review. A new reviewer will be able to assess whether you've made the improvements that were still pending from before. Currently it looks as if I am still reviewing Howling Bells! I assure you that I am not, I finished its review on 11 April.

Typically once a review is finished further comments are not expected on the review page (which becomes archived) but should be placed on the article's talkpage below the transcluded copy of the review.

As for your comments in the review after I finished:

  1. "A Ballad For the Bleeding Hearts" should be styled as "A Ballad for the Bleeding Hearts" see Manual of Style (music) for rationale.
  2. As for Reflist see Manual of Style (footnotes) and this is covered by Criteria 1 (b) and 2 (a). The size of a column width of 30em is acceptable. When presenting the review the article had Reflist|2 and currently has Reflist|30em, which is not acceptable.
  3. No US release? You'll need to provide a referenced note to that effect: I thought Allmusic checked that sort of thing.

I applaud the addition of a music sample, but note it is to be 30s or 10%, whichever is less. With the track, "Low Happening" at 3:04, the sample should be 18s.

I wish you the best for this article's review.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Editing

Hi there! I told you that I'd let you know by now whether I'll have time to copy edit for you. Unfortunately, some real-life things are not allowing me to spend any significant amount of time on Wikipedia right now, so it's probably best for you to post another request at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors page. I'm sorry that I won't be able to get around to it. Keep up the hard work! I can see you've written a lot :-) Armadillopteryx (talk) 17:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok. Thank you for letting me know and thanks for your work on the article. If in the future I need a copy edit on something I'll keep you in mind ;) Mattchewbaca (meow) 22:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to ask; when I have more free time, I'll be glad to help. Armadillopteryx (talk) 01:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I noticed your articles are still waiting to be copy edited. It looks like I may have some short bursts of free time over the next few days, during which I might be able to edit a section or two of an article at a time. I definitely won't have the full block of time to do a whole article in one sitting, but if you don't mind slow and steady progress over the course of a few days, I think I can definitely get through at least one of them. Let me know if that works for you. Armadillopteryxtalk 06:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah, that certainly works for me. Whenever you get to it is cool. I'd prefer it if you edit Howing Bells, as it will most likely be the first of the two that is reviewed. Mattchewbaca (meow) 21:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I should be able to start it later today. Armadillopteryxtalk 04:18, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Howling Bells

The article Howling Bells you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Howling Bells for comments about the article. Well done! Malconfort (talk) 20:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

High five! After one more week I was going to ask User:SilkTork to take over the review. You have helped improve the article though. Thanks! Mattchewbaca (meow) 21:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mattchewbaca, congratulations on your efforts in raising the standard of this article. I hope you have similar success with your other GANs.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
High five! I thank you Shaidar for your comprehensive review. You have helped improve the articles immensely and they are in a much better state now than at the time of your assessment. I recognize that you deserve much of the credit for it reaching GA. Mattchewbaca (meow) 21:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably not a big deal if I just add it myself. I've got some minor editing to do on the article anyways. Mattchewbaca (meow) 21:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of questions

Hi Matt,

I've copy edited the first half of Howling Bells, and I just want to clarify the meaning of a couple of sentences with you.
(1) Did the band sign to Bella Union because they (Howling Bells) were genuinely concerned about the music or because Bella Union was genuinely concerned about the music?
(2) Was it Radio Wars that they released through Nettwerk Music Group?

Thanks, Armadillopteryxtalk 01:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It reads much better already, Armadillo. Yes, that's right, Bella Union was concerned about the music and Radio Wars not Howling Bells was released through Nettwerk.
Minor key issues:
Lead – Do you think you can change reviewed it negatively to reviewed it less favourably? They weren't negative reviews per se.
Background – I guess that, centring, is proper in British English, and also, you have arrange instead of arranged.
Thank you. Mattchewbaca (meow) 03:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I can make that change in the lead. I'll put back centring, too. I intentionally used arrange instead of arranged, because I was following the present tense of the previous sentence ("Some lyrics deal with the loss she feels by ending a relationship, while others describe a new romance forming"). I suppose I read these two sentences in the way one reads a literary criticism; even if the book is 1,000 years old, its plot still gets described in the present tense. I read the description of the music in the same way; the arrangement won't change. If you did want to make the whole paragraph more historical, maybe we can change the sentence I've quoted above, too. We could say something like this: "She wrote lyrics about the loss she had felt through the end of past relationships and about the euphoric experience of beginning new romance." I won't make that last change until I hear from you, though, since you may have a more specific intention for that sentence in mind. I'll be signing off of Wikipedia for several hours very shortly, so if I hear from you soon, I'll fix it now. Otherwise, I'll do it later today. Armadillopteryxtalk 03:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I also added an internal link for Victoria, because I think many non-Australian readers may not necessarily know what it is/where it is. Is that okay with you? Armadillopteryxtalk 04:12, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to stay in the past tense, seeing as how the rest of the article is speaking in past tense. She wrote lyrics about the loss she had felt through the end of past relationships and about the euphoric experience of beginning new romance. I'm really not liking this. It just doesn't seem right. Let's keep it simple, like it currently is, but in the past. Something like this: Some lyrics dealt with the loss that she felt of an ending relationship, while others described a new romance forming. I really am clueless when it comes to proper grammar, so I don't know if that is good or not. You are going to have to decide what is best. Can the first two paragraphs be combined like they were, or no? It's just that the paragraphs are really small, and the subject matter doesn't seem to be shifting enough to warrant breaking it up. Yes, that's fine by me to link Victoria. Can you link Editors in the lead section while you're at it? Thank you. Mattchewbaca (meow) 04:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, we can simplify things; I wasn't especially happy with my previous proposal, either. The problem I see with saying that the lyrics dealt with those feelings is that this implies that they don't still say the same thing now. Therefore, we need to phrase the sentence in such a way that the verb can both describe the past event of the lyrics' creation and not imply that the lyrics themselves are a thing of the past. How about this? She wrote some songs about the loss felt through ending relationships and others about forming new romance. As far as the two paragraphs go, my reasoning for splitting them up was that in the first paragraph, the subject matter is strictly the technical production/release aspects of the album, and the second paragraph jumps to the artistic aspect of the songs. Looking over it again now, my suggestion would be to recombine the paragraphs by shifting a couple of sentences. This way, all of the production and release information is not separated by the two sentences about the songwriting. Let me know what you think about it; I won't change anything you don't want me to. Here's what I think:
"Howling Bells is the self-titled debut album of London-based Australian indie rock band Howling Bells. The album was predominantly written by vocalist and rhythm guitarist Juanita Stein. The majority of the album's themes revolve around her own relationships and feelings of affection. The album was released through Bella Union in the United Kingdom on 8 May 2006 and through Liberation in Australia on 1 July 2006. It was produced, engineered and mixed by Ken Nelson and was recorded at Parr Street Studios, Liverpool, in early 2005. Most of the songs were demoed in Australia, but all were recorded in England, as the band relocated there to work with Ken Nelson. Four singles were released from the album, and all appeared on the UK Singles Chart ... [continue as written from here]"
Armadillopteryxtalk 05:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
She wrote some songs about the loss felt through ending relationships and others about forming new romance. OK, this is better, so let's use this. I think you're getting confused, I was talking about the first paragraph in the Background section that you split up into two. I think we should re-combine these. What do you think? The lead is fine the way it is, so it's best to leave it alone. Mattchewbaca (meow) 06:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, okay. In the Background section, I definitely think those two should be split up because, to me, the content shift is drastic; the first paragraph talks about the songs' content, and the second paragaph begins the chronology of events that led up to recording. We can recombine them if you want, but I do feel that the organization is better when they're split. You can decide, though. It's not wrong to combine them; it just seems really jumpy to me. Armadillopteryxtalk 06:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, here's an idea that I like: Why don't we combine the second and third paragraphs? To me, that makes a lot more sense. Then, the whole chronology is together, and the section is back to two paragraphs. Armadillopteryxtalk 06:12, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Let's just keep it how it is right now. Mattchewbaca (meow) 06:47, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Matt, I'm just dropping by to let you know that I haven't forgotten about the article here; things just keep getting in my way. I finally had more than a few minutes for Wikipedia last night, but when I signed on intending to quickly check my watchlist and then finish the copyedit here, I ended up getting into a messy debate about one of my articles for a long time. I don't think I can get to it today, but I'm really going to do my best to finish it this weekend, okay? So sorry for the delay. Armadillopteryxtalk 09:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished the copyedit. A couple of things:
(1) I added a few internal links to the locations where the singles were filmed.
(2) Regarding the following sentence, was inventive the last word in the sentence of the original quote? If not, British punctuation conventions would say the period needs to go outside of the quotes. However, if it was the last word in the original sentence, don't change it.
Chris Waugh admired Joel's guitar playing, calling it "brilliantly inventive."
Other than that, I'd say it's done from the grammar perspective. What do you think? Armadillopteryxtalk 21:57, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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