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Happy editing! HiLo48 (talk) 06:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mars (mythology)

Hello; I removed your changes to the introduction at the Mars article because it changed the meaning of a sentence whose sense was already supported by a scholarly citation. I'm not at all sure what you meant to say, or on what basis, so it you have a case to make for your changes, it might be best to do so at Talk:Mars (mythology). Thanks Haploidavey (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 2022

Hello, I'm Hey man im josh. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Second Vatican Council seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Re Supererogation

Hi 184.71.97.170, and again, welcome to the Wikipedia. It's fine to dive right in, but it takes awhile to become used to all the in and outs. But don't worry! We don't mind helping you learn the ropes as you progress.

So, one of our core principles is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view (NPOV), which in a nutshell says "Articles must not take sides, but should explain the sides, fairly and without editorial bias. This applies to both what you say and how you say it."

So, in your edit here you, for instance, added the text I've bolded:

Paul the Apostle says that while in his opinion...

So, we already have "Paul the Apostle says...", so we can assume it is his opinion. If it something he didn't believe, that would be unusual. It could be that he's setting up an argument, eg "Paul the Apostle says that while in the opinion of some, with whom he disagrees...", but that's not what he's doing, and it was we'd have to make that more clear.

So, whatever your intent, I think some readers could come away with "well the Wikipedia emphasizes that it's only his personal opinion, so maybe it's something that is clearly false or that few people agree with, then or now, or something. Else why would they emphasize it?"

I have my own personal opinion about Paul and the influence he's had on the world. However, I leave that behind when I write for the Wikipedia. I suspect you do not hold Paul in high esteem, and fine, but that doesn't matter here. We let the reader make up her own mind whether Paul was a wise prophet or an ignorant asshole or whatever in between.

And so on for some (not necessarily all) of the rest your edit. Also you didn't leave an edit summary, which isn't required but would have helped.

So, another core rule is Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle (BRD). An editor (you) boldly made an edit, and that's fine and is encouraged. However, any editor can decide "I don't know as this edit is an improvement, so let's return to the previous version while (if the editor wants) we'll discuss this and maybe get some more eyes on it and see how to best proceed", which is what I did The burden is then on the editor wanting to make the change (you), so then it would be your responsibility to open a thread on the talk page, and initiate an conversation where you provide arguments and references to support your edit, and others may join in, and if your arguments and references are superior you should win the day (or there might be a compromise hammered out).

Anyway, so here you made an edit, not understanding that the burden was on you to open a talk page thread (and perfectly understandable, now you know, there's no way to know all this stuff when you are new), and also only waiting a couple hours which, a few days would be a better wait period, we get busy and there's no hurry, we want to get this right. And, I don't "like so much" the passage, I'm only vaguely aware of it, and I'm not at all familiar with this article, I'm just acting according to our accepted standards. And it comes off a little peevish, which you want to be careful with that.

There is a source given (directly in the text instead of as a footnote, but still OK), which is 1 Corinthians 7, where Paul says "I wish that all men were as I am [that is, celibate -- ed]. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried... I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." We have this as "everyone is free to marry, it is better to refrain from marriage and remain celibate to better serve God". The point being that Paul is saying that to marry is fine, and meets God's requirements. But "It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves..." indicates that being celibate (as Paul is) is for people who can control themselves, which is why Paul would "wish that all men were as I am" -- that is, unmarried and thus celibate. Which is pretty clearly better than having to get married. So, it seems to be a fair example of Supererogation, I guess.

I had to look all this up, but I guess it's a common interpretation -- that is, the mainstream interpretation. One could try to interpret 1 Corinthians 7 as indicated that it is more Godly, or more pleasing to God, to marry than to remain celibate, or any no worse, but that would require some gymnastics and, more importantly, is not the mainstream interpretation. We tend to lay out out the mainstream interpretation of things, mainly. We're rather boring and pallid that way, but it's for the best, and anyway is how we roll.

However, if you can ref a respected neutral scholar(s) to indicate that 1 Corinthians 7 is not an example of Supererogation, that that'd be different, and we'd want to look at those.

So, these are some of the arguments I would probably bring out on the talk page. Other page watchers would, hopefully, have things to say also, and hopefully a consensus would emerge about what to do. So, by all means, if you're up to it you should open a talk page thread, I think it'd be good practice. And it's entirely possible that be refs and argument you can convince me, or the others. Carry on, and again, welcome, and again, nobody expects you to know all this yet! Herostratus (talk)

You can write a "Holy Bible" or "New Testament" section to explain and justify your understanding of supererogation but I'm not cool placing this weird stuff into the Catholic faith section. Of course Saint Paul is a wise prophet in the Catholic faith. But is he infallible? No.... He's never been the Pope in that faith and the original one was married (St. Peter). So fren, sorry, none of it is my opinion, I was just presenting Catholic teaching on the subject matter since it contradicts St. Paul's opinions and that segment of the article section is supposed to be about Catholicism, not St. Paul's personal opinions. If you had some references to include there I'm not sure I'm seeing any yet cited? The Catholic faith teaches marriage is both a sacrament and a necessity (at-least for most people) which suggests strongly to the contrary of whatever is being said about "celibacy is better", which itself is probably a mistranslation itself since you wrote he said quoted verbatim "celibacy is GOOD"..... I may have my own personal opinions about celibacy derived from a mental health perspective, where much of science suggests it isn't a good thing often and usually isn't better, but this is about Holy Scripture, so I'm not including that right now, and since this is not about the priesthood in particular it doesn't make much sense to include it, neither what you have asked for me to include, and it would also be disrespectful to Eastern Catholicism to prioritize a Eurocentristic Western-only viewpoint much rather instead even if we talked about the priesthood. Eastern Orthodoxy in general teaches something much different quite often as well about all these things you've been speaking on to me so it isn't going to feel fair, neutral, objective, etc. about what the Catholic viewpoint is at all, since it isn't accommodating to what the Church believes currently. It's important to avoid misrepresentation.

Thanks for the heads up bud. 184.71.97.170 (talk) 07:11, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Uncommented edits to Theistic evolution

Please explain and discuss your proposed edits on the Theistic evolution Talk page before arbitrarily making them. -- Jmc (talk) 09:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I added the WP:NPOV dispute tag for that, also I suggest you don't go accusing edits of being arbitrary before explaining how that could possibly be a likely scenario btw. 184.71.97.170 (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Progressive creationism

How can you say you are engaged in BRD if you haven't even bothered to start a discussion on Talk:Progressive creationism? Regardless, the other user accidentally reverted my edit when they meant to revert yours. Please stop with the aggressive and tenacious editing. You're welcome to be a member of Wikipedia, but you have to understand that you do not own articles. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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