Talk:Samuel T. Anders

Human status

We've yet to discover if he's human or cyclon. Yes, him and the other three characters were drawn to the gym by a Bob Dylan cover, but we've yet to see their faces under the hooded robes. Ignoring the yet unexplained plot points that would allow Saul Tigh, a man who was born before the Cylons were invented, and thus Anders (whose tenure probably extends past Boomer's established three year window) be cylons, we simply can't know for certain what he is becaue we know too little. Provided there are no objections I will change his profile to say "Human or Final Five Humanoid Cylon" or more succinctly, "Uncertain"Levelistchampion 04:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But Chief Tyrol mentioned a "switch" that went off, implying that they all suddenly knew that they were Cylons. Like they were sleeper agents, then the song flipped a "switch" inside them, making them all "wake up" and remember that they are Cylons. 70.17.143.26 05:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't mean anything at this point. Roslin could just as easily be a Cylon based on evidence from this episode. Until we see them under the robes or other versions of the models, there is no solid evidence they're Cylons. Especially since as mentioned above Tigh is older then the Cylons themselves and Tyrol had parents who were alive and well before the attacks. Gateman1997 05:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still the "switch" Tyrol mentioned should still be noted in the artice, as that seems to be part of the reason he thinks he is a Cylon. 70.17.143.26 05:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "switch" you speak of was him speaking figuratively, but it could be included. However I think we should actually change the {Humanoid Cylon) notation in the infoboxes back to Human until there is evidence they are Cylons beyond their assumption. Afterall, they're hearing "All along the watchtower" in their heads which is an Earth based song, not Cylon. Gateman1997 07:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not definitively Cylons

Whoever keeps saying that Tigh, Tori, Tyrol and Anders discovered they are Cylons needs to stop. The so-called "fact" that they are Cylons has not been established at all. At this point it is only suspected by the 4 of them and has not been confirmed by ANYONE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.198.158.255 (talk) 11:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

That those four are Cylons is confirmed in this interview with the executive producer: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm 71.139.2.211 13:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I deleted this comment (at least I thought I did). Either I forgot to remove it from Anders' discussion page, or someone added it back. I added then removed the same comment from the other 3 "Final 5". However, within the show, I still stand by the fact that it hasn't been firmly established that the characters themselves know for a fact that they are Cylons, other than a feeling that they are. Even that is not so clear, as all 4 of them seem to be reacting to the fear that they might be, not necessarily all accepting that they ARE truly cylons. Tyrol seems to be the only one that clearly believes it to be true, but this has been an established fear of his character, ever since he started meeting with Brother Cavil. Also, RDM has stated that they are a different kind of Cylon from the other 7. Within the show, it is ambiguous.