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August 17

August 17, 2024 (2024-08-17) (Saturday)

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RD: Silvio Santos

Article: Silvio Santos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1] [2]
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Brazilian media mogul and television host. He was the host of the second longest running Brazilian program: Programa Silvio Santos, aired since 1963. He was also the only celebrity in the country on the list of billionaires by Forbes magazine. The magazine also states that "there is no one more famous than Silvio Santos in Brazil." Maeslor

RD: Black Caviar

Article: Black Caviar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Famous Australian racehorse. Aydoh8[contribs] 05:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case - protest

Article is at AfD. Stephen 07:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News [3][4][5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case. Spworld2 06:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Snow oppose Horrifying case, but ITN usually doesn't post crimes committed against individual people. Furthermore, the article is not complete. Bremps... 06:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Usually this is not a small case against individuals, they were raped and killed with great brutality, public protests are continuing in all cities of India against this, doctors are also on strike in India.[6][7] [8][9][10][11][12] Spworld2 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - "The incident took place when 'Trainee Doctor', a 31-year-old Trainee Doctor,......" sentence just ends there. No way we can post this, article doesn't even tell you what happened PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD is mostly for the deaths of notable people/organisms, not for murder cases, even if high-profile. Good faith nom PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a law in India that the name of the victim in a rape case should not be disclosed Spworld2 (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[13][14] [15][16][17][18][19] Spworld2 (talk) 06:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 16

August 16, 2024 (2024-08-16) (Friday)

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RD: Afa Anoaʻi

Article: Afa Anoaʻi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer-Figure Four Online, WWE
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Samoan pro wrestler, one half of the Wild Samoans. Article is actually pretty solid quality/citation-wise for a wrestling bio. The Kip (contribs) 22:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Lansing (journalist)

Article: John Lansing (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former CEO of NPR and chief of the U.S. Agency for Global Media. ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Paetongtarn chosen as new Thai PM

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Article: Paetongtarn Shinawatra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Paetongtarn Shinawatra is chosen as Prime Minister of Thailand by the House of Representatives, replacing Srettha Thavisin who was dismissed by the Constitutional Court. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC News The Guardian
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Propose to merge with the existing blurb on Srettha's dismissal, just like how we did with the Bangladesh PM. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support merger pre above Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 15

August 15, 2024 (2024-08-15) (Thursday)

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RD: Charis Eng

Article: Charis Eng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PTEN Research, Cleveland Plain Dealer
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

SpencerT•C 00:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jack Russell (musician)

Article: Jack Russell (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NPR
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American musician and founding member of Great White. 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk) 13:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System

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Trivia, WP:SNOW close. The Kip (contribs) 20:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Chicxulub crater (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Chicxulub asteroid has been found to be a carbonaceous asteroid which formed in the outer Solar System
News source(s): Science, [20]
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Article updated
Count Iblis (talk) 10:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Peter Marshall

Article: Peter Marshall (entertainer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A few citations needed, but well-sourced overall. Mooonswimmer 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Greg Kihn

Article: Greg Kihn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KRON 4
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article does need some help in a few places, but for many in the early 80s, Greg Kihn was the leader of The Greg Kihn Band and songwriter for the band, which had hits "Jeopardy (song)", "The Breakup Song" and several other in the early 80s. Weird Al covered "Jeopardy" as "I Lost on Jeopardy", where many know that song from. He also did some writing. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per usual. Aydoh8[contribs] 12:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lasse Björn

Article: Lasse Björn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.svt.se/sport/ishockey/lasse-bjorn-ar-dod-blev-92-ar
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Olympic ice hockey and Ice Hockey World Championship medallist. Article is a bit short and could be expanded, but everything is cited. Flibirigit (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Public Data breach

Article: National Public Data (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Data brokering service National Public Data suffers a breach of 2.7 billion records, potentially including the Social Security numbers of every living American. (Post)
News source(s): (CBS News)
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Data breach potentially containing the Social Security number of every living American. Breach occurred last April, but now a lawsuit's being filed and it's receiving widespread coverage. Article needs work. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose If the breach occurred last April, it is too stale to be presented as news in ITN, and the lawsuit isn't that newsworthy if the breach itself went under the radar at first. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is not nearly ready, and the item is stale to begin with. Estreyeria (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and close immediately — Troy Hunt has written a post about this data breach. The data present has not been confirmed for accuracy and is unlikely to be. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose besides the stake Ness and quality issues, data breaches are far too common nowadays to make this anything but routine. Also, importantly, this us only a claim from the lawsuit, nothing has been affirmed here. The signs are likely that it's true but we have no confirmation yet. Masem (t) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment The agency has confirmed the breech but keep in mind, this is 2.9 billion records which is not yet known how many people that actually is, since there can be multiple records per person. Further, the article itself is still far too short for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 11:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - precedent has shown that stories that technically occurred a while back can still be posted if it only entered into the news discourse recently. Anyway, weak oppose, per ElijahPepe. — Knightoftheswords 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As per above, the breach is a claim from a lawsuit, and does not seem to be definitively confirmed. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if confirmed. This is a *huge* data breach, and its purported occurrence only recently came to light, assuming the charges made in the lawsuit are correct. Kurtis (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose notability since not confirmed Iff it's confirmed, take this to be a support on notability. Sure, large data breaches are common, but so are national elections, sports championships, and any of a half-dozen other things listed at ITNR. That shouldn't preclude something from being posted. The impact would be wide-reaching, and thus worth posting. For now, though, the accuracy is not certain nor the source. And don't even get me started on the article quality. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The breach has been confirmed by National Public Data. The leaked information is confirmed to include "name, email address, phone number, social security number, and mailing address(es)", but the scale of the breach (i.e. the figure of 2.7-2.9 billion) has not yet been specified or acknowledged. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 14

August 14, 2024 (2024-08-14) (Wednesday)

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RD: Gena Rowlands

Article: Gena Rowlands (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wrap
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Award winning American actress. Thriley (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) WHO declares global health emergency over Mpox outbreak

Article: African mpox epidemic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the 2024 African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency.
News source(s): New York Times
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Last time it was declared an emergency, it killed around 200 people. It seems to be alot more serious now, as death count has already risen to well above 500. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait there is no way that stub of an article is ready for an ITN item. Scu ba (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Literally one sentence, unfit for posting. Also, did we post monkeypox being designated as a global health emergency back in 2022? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A big announcement, but the actual Mpox Outbreak page should be linked somewhere within the blurb itself Hungry403 (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Qualified support. The article is relevant but quality is poor. The timeline is confusing. It's my bedtime otherwise I would contribute. Bob (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Dismissal of Thai PM

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Thavisin in 2023
Article: Srettha Thavisin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin following an illegal cabinet appointment of a minister. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters CNN
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Tofusaurus (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The event is notable, and the article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a head of government got removed from office. This is notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because it's a change in head of government.
JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The removal of Thailand’s PM is quite notable & the article’s quality is good enough to post. However, I’m not entirely satisfied w/the blurb’s wording since this seems to be politically motivated & the blurb’s wording doesn’t make that clear enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:

Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin one week after a ruling dissolved the Move Forward Party and banned its executives from politics.

Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe a
Thailand's Constitutional Court removes Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, alleging illegal appointment of a cabinet member. River10000 (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago ...: They are mentioned together in some sources, but do any of them say that the MFP being dissolved caused the PM's dismissal? —Bagumba (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a slippery slope if we start using "allegedly" for court rulings. The ruling and their reasoning are fact, even if one argues its flawed (or if its eventually overturned or generally decried). —Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, removal of an active head of government by a court is very much notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 13

August 13, 2024 (2024-08-13) (Tuesday)

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  • Ford and Mazda issue warnings to owners of over 475,000 vehicles with Takata airbag inflators, cautioning them of the possibility for the inflators to explode with metal shrapnel. (AP)

RD: Dan Dorazio

Article: Dan Dorazio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dignity Memorial
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Wally Amos

Article: Wally Amos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Founder of Famous Amos cookie company. Host of the PBS television show Learn to Read. Thriley (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Alatorre

Article: Richard Alatorre (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
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Article updated
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Former Los Angeles councilman. 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk)

August 12

August 12, 2024 (2024-08-12) (Monday)

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  • Water on Mars
    • Liquid water is confirmed to be present at depths of 10–20 km (6.2–12.4 mi) below the surface of Mars, based on a new analysis of data from NASA's InSight lander. (BBC News)

(attention needed) RD: Timothy Dudley-Smith

Article: Timothy Dudley-Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Christianity Today BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article is short but in good shape. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support if the selected works can serve as citations for themselves. Bremps... 06:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liquid water on Mars

Article: Water on Mars (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Analysis of data from the InSight Mars mission indicates the presence of underground liquid water on Mars. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, PNAS
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Article needs to be updated (currently only a one line update exists) but the topic is receiving significant news coverage. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support once the article has been sufficiently expanded. Important milestone. Yakikaki (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work The article currently starts "Almost all water on Mars today exists as polar permafrost ice..." and continues in that vein. If this new analysis indicates that there are substantial underground seas of liquid water then the article will need completely rebalancing to account for this. An isolated update is not enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opppose on quality concerns, the lead needs a lot of work, I had to search the article to find the story here. Also, possible sustained oppose because it appears this was known in 2018 from the Mars Express mission. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Given the chronology of discoveries of water on Mars dating back to the 1970s, what makes this discovery of water on Mars different? If that difference is significant, it should be in the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Money pull quote from the Beeb article: While there is water frozen at the Martian poles and evidence of vapour in the atmosphere, this is the first time liquid water has been found on the planet. I agree quite a bit that "science news" often does a poor job of immediately telling people the most important thing(s) up front: "don't bury the lede" is a tenet of good journalism. (One contributing factor: the people writing and editing the coverage, often have little to no expert scientific background, and often struggle to understand themselves the things they are attempting to tell people about, which often are communicated in the house jargon of scientific journals etc. Sure, you could contact professional scientists to seek explanation (who mostly have day jobs and do such things, when they do, as an unpaid volunteer service on top of that) but, there's that deadline and your boss has been breathing down your neck lately to get those viewership metrics up. Gotta get those social media "shares" before competitors beat you.) Blurb suggestion: Analysis… indicates the presence on Mars of underground liquid water. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree in principle if a main target can be improved. Maybe InSight? This is evidence of present-day liquid water underground in the Martian crust. Existence of (lots of) liquid water long ago in Mars's past has been accepted for some time, and solid water ice and gaseous water vapor are known to exist, but liquid water at Mars's surface beyond tiny transient amounts is presumed impossible today because of Mars's low atmospheric pressure. (See phase diagram. Familiar with how a pressure cooker works? Now think about how freeze drying works—which is accomplished by going the other direction and lowering ambient pressure to near-zero.) Scientists have been interested in answers to what happened to all that water. And it looks like at least some is still there deep underground, where it's under enough pressure to stay liquid. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opppose Call me when you can fill a glass. None of this "traces of" or long-ago stuff. CoatCheck (talk) 00:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Ring ring. It's here right now and there's a lot of it. Bremps... 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From that CNN article: "Banerdt, who was not involved in the research, said that while the interpretation of the data presented in the paper is strongly supported with good arguments, he also believes it is still somewhat speculative and that there is almost always another way to explain any given set of data.", a far cry short of these "scientists have found ___" pronouncements. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a single paper, and the BBC article makes claims that the scientific paper does not -- BBC: "Scientists have discovered a reservoir of liquid water on Mars - deep in the rocky outer crust of the planet. -- paper: "A mid-crust composed of fractured igneous rocks saturated with liquid water best explains the existing data." This is fairly irresponsible journalism. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per 35.139.154.158. This is still a pretty tentative discovery. Additionally, it isn't even the first potential detection of large reservoirs of liquid water on Mars—see Subglacial lakes on Mars. I am only marking this as a weak oppose as this is an in situ detection from the InSight lander, which may be ITN-worthy; I would personally say it still isn't. ArkHyena (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per 35.139.154.158. I'd totally support putting this on the front page if it was a more substantiated claim (and if the article was in shape, which it's not). Estreyeria (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a problem for astronomy is that standard news outlet aimed for the general public just love to jump to conclusions. Fact is, the lander found some data, and someone wrote a paper saying that underground water may be an explanation for that data. There's still a huge distance from that to actually confirming such water. Scientists should formulate alternative explanations for the data, and all explanations should be tested further (or get updated if further data is obtained). Cambalachero (talk) 16:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A few things: 1) the article itself is mostly about the historical context behind the present lack of water on mars- there is one sentence about the current update buried deep in the lead 2) The media's interpretation of the scientific paper is a stretch and still a little speculative. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rachael Lillis

Article: Rachael Lillis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Anime News Network
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Voice actress, known for voicing the English voices of Misty and Jessie from Pokemon. Died on August 10 but was only reported on this date. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Lugner

Article: Richard Lugner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euronews, Barron's, Der Spiegel, Berliner Morgenpost, Tagesschau
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Austrian construction titan, politician, and Viennese society figure. Celjski Grad (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 11

August 11, 2024 (2024-08-11) (Sunday)

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RD: Elizabeth A. R. Brown

Article: Elizabeth A. R. Brown (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Legacy.com
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Article updated
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American medievalist. Thriley (talk) 22:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Noël Treanor

Article: Noël Treanor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Irish Times
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Article updated
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Irish Roman Catholic prelate. 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Minor tone issues but honestly nothing to fuss about. Bremps... 02:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympics

Article: 2024 Summer Olympics closing ceremony (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2024 Summer Olympics ends with the closing ceremony. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2024 Summer Olympics closes, with the United States winning the most medals.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The 2024 Summer Olympics conclude in Paris, France.
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Starts in under 5.5 hours, but just thought to put it here for discussion so it can be live as it is ongoing.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC) }}[reply]

I am just cleaning up the sourcing precisely for these objections. Only women's basketball left, but will find som more prose. Obviously in preparations since we can't know everything exactly.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have just added some prose to the events itself. Few sentences should be the mimumum required.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! The sections for foreign dignitaries and commentators being mostly uncited was one of the reasons the opening ceremony didn't get posted, so hopefully that will not also be the case here (as more gets added to the article). Gödel2200 (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A few sentences of text followed by endless incomplete or improperly sourced lists is not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY and is a clear violation of MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is true, but the ceremony hasn't happened yet, so it is no surprise the article has not been expanded. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is the official source improper? There are several prose sentences of the event.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose altblurb the Olympics medal tally is measured by the number of gold medals, with silver and bronze only used in tie-breakers. It is technically correct to state that the US won the most medals, but the usage of this implies that the US 'won' the Olympics, which they didn't (China did) and might be a breach of NPOV. The prose issues brought up by @Joseph2302 (pinging for courtesy) look like they've been fixed, although article might need some more sources. In this case I'm leaning support. Also the closing ceremony just wrapped up, so pull from ongoing. Aydoh8[contribs] 22:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Officially, isn't the rule if golds are tied, then most silver medals declares the "winner"? But, I don't think I've seen anything saying China "won." I've seen "tied" used, but nothing else outside of that. TheCorriynial (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
D'oh. Didn't realise they were tied on golds (I thought China was still ahead). Thank you for reminding me, I've just updated my vote. Aydoh8[contribs] 22:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
silly to mention that nonsense. the NEWS is the closingSportsnut24 (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would seem to make sense that until we have a blurb up on the closing, keeping the ongoing for 24-48 hrs for ppl coming late to see the final results would be reasonable. But after 48hr, yes, its definitely should be removed. — Masem (t) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, Support but remove after 48h PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's been removed. Stephen 03:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It makes more sense to just pull the Olympics from ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The closing ceremony is listed in ITN/R so the only concern is the quality. Also, it's been pulled already. 82.193.210.78 (talk) 19:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as the closing ceremony article is a sloppy mix of plans, predictions and actual outcomes. Just leave the Ongoing entry up for a day and then it's done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the closing ceremony of the Summer Olympics (and their winter components for that matter) are WP:INTR per Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items#Multi-sport events. If you have an issue with that, take it to the talk page, not here. — Knightoftheswords 13:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone is opposed to the ITNR nature of this, but that the current article is of very low quality that pits not in a condition to post, which is a requirement ITNR or not. Masem (t) 18:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson, MtPenguinMonster, and DecafPotato: would beg to differ — Knightoftheswords 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article currently seems to finish in mid-air with a half-baked section called "Victory Ceremony". It's puzzling... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: I've significantly expanded that section with a paragraph of prose. Do you think it would be good now? DecafPotato (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I got the gist of it but it seemed to need copy-editing so I reworked it. It's still rather puzzling as there's a claim that this was "gender parity" but only the women got special attention. That's not what parity means. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, the Paris Olympics were the first Olympics with gender parity (i.e. an equal number of male and female athletes), and so the organizing committee highlighted the women's marathon winner instead of the traditional men's marathon winner to celebrate how far women's sports have come. DecafPotato (talk) 08:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Tokyo Olympics had parity with both the men and women's winners featured in the closing ceremony. This time, they featured only women even though most of the men in the event ran faster than the winning woman (67 men ran faster than 2:22:55). That's gender bias not gender parity. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Why don't we just bold the Summer Olympics article instead of that of the closing ceremony? It's what most readers are looking for and is of a much higher quality. DecafPotato (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The main Summer Olympics article itself has already been 'featured' on ITN on the Ongoing events line for about two weeks. There would need some significant consensus to move that back to a blurb that could possibly last on ITN another week, given the amount of updates (or relative lack thereof) since it was removed from Ongoing. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've re-opened the nomination for the following two reasons. Firstly, the opposition is mostly on quality grounds. Secondly, this isn't stale as the oldest blurb documents a story from 1 August 2024.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready I've changed the headings to sentence case but someone else will have to provide referencing for the anthems. Schwede66 23:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 10

August 10, 2024 (2024-08-10) (Saturday)

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(Posted) RD: Celestina Casapietra

Article: Celestina Casapietra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Berliner Zeitung
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Article updated
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Italian soprano who was "married" to the Berlin State Opera from 1965 to 1993, leading roles, also in Europe. - I knew the article from DYK days in 2019, but it's better now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tuíre Kayapó

Article: Tuíre Kayapó (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo article, Tribute from government website
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Article updated
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Brazilian indigenous activist and leader. ForsythiaJo (talk) 01:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article quality is up to par. Bremps... 02:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support what Bremps said --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Issue There is a source WP:INTEGRITY issue in the article, as the source next to her death does not cover her actual death. Also, the article says she died at 54, while a later citation from G1 says 57.[22] Her birth year might also need updating.—Bagumba (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a footnote about the uncertainty of her age at death/year of birth - thank you for bringing this discrepancy up! ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support issue was addressed; article ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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