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FA 45
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FM 21
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Total 82,125
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Things To Do
  1. Work on articles that need cleanup.
  2. Create a page for every university and college and add {{infobox University}} for it. See the missing list for those institutions still awaiting articles.
  3. Place {{WikiProject Higher education}} on every related talk page.
  4. Combat boosterism wherever it appears
  5. Ensure all articles, including Featured articles, are consistent with the article guidelines.


Request for Expert Contributions

Dear Authors,

I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to invite your expertise and collaboration in improving the quality and accuracy of the Wikipedia article draft on Don Bosco College, Panjim. As experts and contributors in this field, your insights and contributions would be invaluable in ensuring that the information presented is comprehensive, accurate, and up-to-date.

The current draft can be found here: Draft:Don Bosco College, Panjim

We are particularly looking for improvements in the following areas:

  1. History: Detailed historical background and significant milestones.
  2. Academic Programs: Comprehensive list and descriptions of academic programs offered.
  3. Notable Alumni: Information on notable alumni and their achievements.
  4. References: Addition of reliable sources to improve the article's credibility.
  5. Notability: Information and sources that demonstrate the college's significance and impact.

Improving the notability of the draft is crucial for its acceptance as a full Wikipedia article. Notability can be established through reliable secondary sources such as news articles, academic papers, and books that discuss the college in detail.

Contributing to Wikipedia is a collaborative and transparent process. You can make edits directly to the draft, or if you prefer, share your suggestions and sources here, and we can incorporate them accordingly. Your contributions will be properly cited, ensuring that your work is recognized.

Thank you for considering this request. Your participation would greatly enrich the Wikipedia community and help disseminate reliable information to a global audience.

Best regards,

Xcus

If you have any questions or need assistance with editing, please do not hesitate to reach out.

Note: This request has been made in good faith to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles and is in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines for sourcing and citation. Please ensure that all contributions adhere to Wikipedia's content policies, including verifiability and no original research.


Good article reassessment for Dartmouth College fraternities and sororities

Dartmouth College fraternities and sororities has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This reassessment seems to have been closed. The article is deficient in many ways:
  • "there is no professional fraternities with active chapters"
  • "gender inclusive GLOs" -- does that mean that the others don't include genders?
  • paragraph beginning with "fraternities of Dartmouth College were directly involved in the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s" is completely unsourced
  • paragraph beginning with "Other national social changes affected Greek societies at Dartmouth in the 1960s" is supported only by a dead link
  • paragraph ending with "new location on West Street (where it is still in operation as of the 2013-14 academic year" is unsourced and the reference to 2013 shows that is is outdated --
Melchior2006 (talk) 06:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Melchior2006: I agree this article needs updating to regain its GA status. However, I don't see an issue with the term "gender inclusive" as is in the dictionary, meaning for any gender. The oppositve of gender inclusive fraternity would be a group that limits the gender of its members. This terminology has replaced the somewhat dated term "co-educational" for many organizations and campuses because it is considered to be inclusive of trans and nonbinary individuals. Of course, there could also be a link to gender inclusive in Wikipedia. Rublamb (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the major issue was that it's a list rather than an article, and thus not eligible for GA status under the WP:Good article criteria. I took a quick look when the notice was posted and this seemed irrefutable, even if other deficiencies were addressable. It should probably be looked at in terms of the WP:Featured list criteria rather than trying to regain GA status. Robminchin (talk) 22:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Robminchin: Just because an article includes a list does not make it a list article. It currently has more text than would be typical for a FL introduction, which probably pushes it to a regular article classification, along with the narrative format of the "list". I will see what my fellow WP:Lists editors think. I feel like the bigger issue was the flag for updates which has been lingering. Rublamb (talk) 22:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to handle tables of Greek Life Organizations (GLOs)

There is a discussion open at U of Pittsburgh article concerning unsourced or badly-sourced tables of GLOs and similar issues. It would be great if some guidelines could be established. So far, @Jax MN, @VQuakr, @ElKevbo, @Rublamb, and I have been involved in the talk. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 06:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Culinary Institute of America Criticism request

Hi editors, as part of my work for Beutler Ink, on behalf of The Culinary Institute of America, I've made a request regarding the article's Criticism section. I was hoping that editors here would be interested in joining the conversation. Please let me know if you have any thoughts. Cheers, BINK Robin (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merger cleanup project

In passing, I noticed that Connecticut State Community College was created in 2023 by the merger of 12 institutions. According to its article, all twelve of the merged colleges have name changes. However, the 12 related articles were not updated to reflect the merger or name change. In addition, their logos/graphics are all for the old institutional names. If anyone has time to work on this, it would be appreciated. Rublamb (talk) 23:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Mary McLeod Bethune

Mary McLeod Bethune has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on Draft

Hi, can I receive some feedback/advice on this draft: Draft:Pak-Austria Fachhochschule: Institute of Applied Sciences and Technology and can I add "Academic Programs" from the official website? (Primary source)

Thank you. ExoField (talk) 11:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed edits about Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP)

I disagree with and have reverted many of the edits made by PA4C101 that added a sentence about the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP) to all articles for members of that organization, a few dozen articles total. I am opening this discussion here as it's a centralized location where we can more efficiently discussed these identical edits spanning many articles.

Simply put, I object to adding even a sentence about this organization to these articles as it's undue weight. Membership in this organization just is not meaningful, interesting, or impactful enough to warrant mentioning among the dozens or more organizations of which these colleges and universities are also members. ElKevbo (talk) 00:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like fairly trivial info to me. Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having had a quick look, I'm not even convinced that the organisation is WP:NOTABLE. Certainly doesn't look to be very meaningful and, on searching a (small) sample of websites of the member institutions, it seems that it is hardly mentioned. Robminchin (talk) 03:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This body is the sole representative for 85 colleges and 280,000 students, so of course it's relevant to include this information.
Please see peer organizations listed on dozens of college pages. Example: Pages that link to "Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in Massachusetts"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Association_of_Independent_Colleges_and_Universities_in_Massachusetts
·        Massachusetts Institute of Technology ‎ (links | edit)
·        Williams College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Amherst College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Boston University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Brandeis University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Tufts University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Mount Holyoke College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Hampshire College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Wellesley College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Babson College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Olin College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Boston College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Clark University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Worcester Polytechnic Institute ‎ (links | edit)
·        Suffolk University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Northeastern University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Emerson College ‎ (links | edit)
·        College of the Holy Cross ‎ (links | edit)
·        New England Conservatory of Music ‎ (links | edit)
·        Merrimack College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Springfield College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Wentworth Institute of Technology ‎ (links | edit)
·        Boston Baptist College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Wheelock College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Western New England University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Ralph Hexter ‎ (links | edit)
·        Nichols College ‎ (links | edit)
·        Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences ‎ (links | edit)
·        Gregory S. Prince Jr. ‎ (links | edit)
·        Gregory H. Adamian ‎ (links | edit)
·        Harvard University ‎ (links | edit)
·        Frederick M. Lawrence ‎ (links | edit)
·        MGH Institute of Health Professions ‎ (links | edit) PA4C101 (talk) 13:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's it's a representative body is not actually an argument that it's particularly important in terms of the colleges concerned or even that it's notable. As noted above, the colleges themselves don't seem to think it particularly worth mentioning on their own webpages. Robminchin (talk) 13:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But they do mention it on their own pages. That's the Massachusetts example, showing that two dozens colleges like Harvard and MIT mention their representative body on their page (Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in Massachusetts).
The only reason this does not show in Pennsylvania is because the Wikipedia editors continue to delete the page. In doing so, they are silencing 280,000 students, the largest body of college students in the state, larger than the state and state related school system, which are allowed to have Wiki pages. PA4C101 (talk) 14:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia editors do not actually have the power to delete things from colleges' own webpages, that's the colleges failing to think AICUP is important enough to mention. The question at hand is simply whether this organisation is important enough, on its own merits, to mention in the articles of the members or whether, given that those same members seemingly don't care enough to make much of it on their own webpages, that would be WP:UNDUE. You need arguments other than WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, particularly where it is unclear that the 'other stuff' is actually equivalent, to justify inclusion. Robminchin (talk) 17:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one is "silencing 280,000 students." It simply doesn't appear that the organization merits mention in articles because it hasn't played a large enough role to be included in those encyclopedia articles. It's not a slight - there are thousands of organizations and tens or hundreds of thousands of people who have been involved or are currently involved in those institutions but they also don't have enough independent sourcing to merit including in those encyclopedia articles.
Given the information that is currently available, I am skeptical that either of these articles would survive a deletion nomination. If you would like the article(s) to remain, I strongly encourage you to locate and add independent reliable sources that are focused on the organization in question.
(For the sake of transparency, please be aware that I have also removed the similar Massachusetts organization from the infoboxes of all of the articles listed above. The documentation for that template requires that academic affiliations "provide essential definition of the institution" and that organization does not rise to that level.) ElKevbo (talk) 21:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I've tagged Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in Massachusetts for lack of independent/in-depth sourcing sufficient to emonstrate notability. DMacks (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:European University of Madrid#Requested move 14 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:European University of Madrid#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 22:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Diermeier updates

Hi editors, I made a request on the Daniel Diermeier article Talk page that might be of interest to the folks here to add some content related to his time as chancellor of Vanderbilt University. I would greatly appreciate any feedback or assistance you can offer. I have a COI so I can't make these changes myself. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer. Cheers VandyBE (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of fictional British and Irish universities

Members of this WikiProject may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional British and Irish universities. PamD 22:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That list survived AfD though is now renamed as List of fictional universities. Will editors with knowledge of non-UK&Ireland fictional institutions (in literature, film, TV, internet, videogames, examples in teaching materials, etc) please contribute to globalising the list? Thanks.
Members of this project may be interested in three more AfD discussions: List of fictional Cambridge colleges, List of fictional Oxford colleges and List of fictional Oxbridge colleges. PamD 20:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of inactive higher education wikiprojects

There are a large number of inactive or semi-active wikiprojects related to higher education, mostly on individual universities:

Added to proposal 19/07/2024:

Removed from proposal 19/07/2024 (already operating under another project):

Removed from proposal 20/07/2024:

I propose merging these projects into WikiProject Higher education in order to redirect interested editors to a more active group, stimulate collaboration on the broader topic, and reduce duplicate work in maintaining talk page banners etc. The process is quite straightforward and is outlined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Merging WikiProjects. – Joe (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great idea! Go for it. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all. Not sure if there was ever sufficient activity to warrant wikiprojects on topics as niche as an individual institution, but in 2024 there certainly is not. Sdkb talk 19:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This seems like the best place for them. Robminchin (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Seems like the right place to address. Comment that the list above is a bunch of individual US universities, and a broader (though still fairly narrow) project for Bangladeshi universities. The latter is of a slightly different nature. I think it's probably still reasonably well served by merging here. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TSventon (talk) 12:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks Ejgreen77, TSventon. I've removed the sixteen projects that are already operating as task force of another one, and added the sixteen additional inactive ones that aren't. @Melchior2006, Sdkb, Robminchin, and Russ Woodroofe: Could you please check to see if this affects your !vote? – Joe (talk) 12:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm fine with the new list. Sdkb talk 12:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm fine with the new list. There seemed some doubt over whether the Cambridge project was active or not so I checked it out – while there had been recent activity on the talk page, this has all been posting of notices or questions and the last time a post received a reply was 2016, so I'd call this inactive. In contrast, the Oxford project has had replies in 2024. Robminchin (talk) 14:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The new list looks fine, at least at a glance. I'll expand: For me, I think the essential thing is that we deprecate long-time moribund university-specific Wikiprojects, as possibly misleading without balancing upside. I think that Wikiproject Higher Education is probably a better target than the state/region projects in general, although it is a more complicated project to get buy-in from region projects in cases where the university is already a subproject. I also think that articles on universities should generally list both the higher ed wikiproject and also the state/region wikiproject. Thus, it may be mostly moot what we redirect to, so long as both wikiprojects are listed on such articles (as I think they generally are). Russ Woodroofe (talk) 15:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:RADA#Requested move 20 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:RADA#Requested move 20 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance requested for University of New Mexico and New Mexico State University

There have been two related edit wars at University of New Mexico and New Mexico State University for the past few months. Both articles have recently been semi-protected for one month to give us some space to figure out consensus in Talk. Your input is greatly desired to help us do that. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opinions wanted

Your input is appreciated on the talk page section I just opened, Talk:Bachelor's_degree_or_higher#Merge_into_a_different_page?. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of affluence

Most college pages on Wikipedia that I have seen, at least the ones in the US, define affluence in a note at the bottom of the page as "The percentage of students who are a part of the American middle class or wealthier." Can we get a more detailed definition? Specifically, what income number defines the American middle class? This number is always changing so it may not be viable, so in that case can we can replace Affluence with "Middle class or higher". Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Alexysun (talk) 22:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the numbers are taken from the DoE's College Scorecard entry for Economic Diversity, which is based on the income level for Pell Grant eligibility. Robminchin (talk) 00:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"DOE" is typically used to refer to the Department of Energy. "ED" is the more common abbreviation for the Department of Education. ElKevbo (talk) 00:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Argh. You're right; that one always gets me. Robminchin (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thank you. So anything above that is "Affluent"? Alexysun (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it, yes. Robminchin (talk) 01:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Bachelor of Arts § Infobox image

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bachelor of Arts § Infobox image. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Caritas Institute of Higher Education#Requested move 12 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Caritas Institute of Higher Education#Requested move 12 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:St. Aloysius College (Mangalore)#Requested move 19 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:St. Aloysius College (Mangalore)#Requested move 19 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aprilajune (talk) 02:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:De La Salle Green Spikers volleyball#Requested move 25 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:De La Salle Green Spikers volleyball#Requested move 25 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 12:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Economic demographics at U.S. colleges

I'd like to update the data for economic demographics at U.S. colleges. It seems that the only data regularly reported by all schools is the percentage of Pell Grant-eligible students, which is a pretty rudimentary metric, so in the past I've used the 2013 data from Opportunity Insights (as reported by the NYT), which includes estimates of median family income, percentage of students from families in top 10% income, and percentage of students from families in bottom 60% income. It seems that they came out with an updated report in 2023 (NYT report), which breaks it down by income quintile but doesn't report the median and only updates the data to 2015. Is it possible to do any better, or is this information just not accessible? Courtesy pinging ElKevbo as I feel like this is your area of expertise. It'd be nice to provide some more granular data than the charts e.g. here without having to resort to old data. Sdkb talk 19:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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