Talk:Primavera Capital Group

Edit reverts on 26th June

Hi @Amiago,

Creating this on talk page, as requested:

Thanks for overseeing the edits I had done & for bringing to attention that NYTimes is unreliable.

Would like an opportunity to explain the edits:

1. The current statement on the page (which was brought to life again on 26th June) sounds a bit biased, specially since even FT (which is added a reference for those lines) has added the below lines to it's article at a later date to make it sound more neutral:

"Primavera Capital, the firm later founded by Fred Hu, has subsequently stated that he is not a member of the CCP or any other political party and was not a CCP member at the time when he was an executive at Goldman Sachs."

FT article link: https://www.ft.com/content/eac99fd9-0c30-4141-821a-45348f61c113

2. The other references added for the statement mention 'alleged' ties: The below statement in Guardian:

"DeSantis stripped four private schools of state scholarship money, alleging without evidence they had “direct ties to the Chinese Communist party”

Guardian article link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/ron-desantis-florida-private-schools-china-communist-party

I believe as Wiki editors we need to walk the thin line and leave some space for neutrality. Hence, I edited the statement.

Please do let me know your thoughts on the above. WorldPeace888 (talk) 17:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:NYTIMES is in fact a WP:GREL source. - Amigao (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Amigao

Understand your point on NYTimes & will not use it. So, agree on that & let's put that to rest.

My point being, the information in the paragraph under discussion seems biased at best and incomplete at the very least even taking into consideration the sources used for that para i.e. Guardian and Financial Times which are both valid sources (details in my previous reply on 5th July'24).

So, my intension is NOT to include NYTimes but to correct the content on the page. Please do let me know if you are ok for me to re-correct the paragraph on the page without adding NYTimes.

Appreciate your guidance on the sources. Thanks WorldPeace888 (talk) 06:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

You might have misunderstood and should probably review WP:NYTIMES. It is a WP:RS and can be used. - Amigao (talk) 14:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Amigao,

Thanks for the clarification. I now understand that NY Times is a valid source & NYPost isn't.

However, additional sources may not be needed since the existing sources support the change intended:

1. FT (which is added a reference for those lines) has added the below lines to it's article at a later date to make it sound more neutral:

"Primavera Capital, the firm later founded by Fred Hu, has subsequently stated that he is not a member of the CCP or any other political party and was not a CCP member at the time when he was an executive at Goldman Sachs."

FT article link: https://www.ft.com/content/eac99fd9-0c30-4141-821a-45348f61c113

2. The other references added for the statement mention 'alleged' ties: The below statement in Guardian:

"DeSantis stripped four private schools of state scholarship money, alleging without evidence they had “direct ties to the Chinese Communist party”

Guardian article link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/ron-desantis-florida-private-schools-china-communist-party

Using the above mentioned existing reference(s), the sentence to be edited to one of the below options whichever you think is the best way to proceed:

OPTION 1:

"In September 2023, Florida governor Ron DeSantis ended voucher programs for four Spring Education Group schools, citing concerns about ties to Primavera Capital Group. This was one of the measures against the Chinese Communist party in the state of Florida. However, as per The Guardian the action taken against the four schools was without evidence."

OPTION 2:

"n September 2023, Florida governor Ron DeSantis ended voucher programs for four Spring Education Group schools, citing concerns about ties to Primavera Capital Group, though as per Financial Times the firm denied having political connections with China's ruling party."

Please do let me know your comments. Thanks WorldPeace888 (talk) 02:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Where is the quote ascribed to the FT article actually coming from? It doesn't appear in the article itself. - Amigao (talk) 11:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply @Amigao.

Seems the ver. of FT you are referencing is the achieved/old ver:

Old ver. link: https://archive.is/pIqRi

The newer ver. of the same story/news is where they have added the additional line after last the paragraph.

Last para being: "HSBC has separately established CCP committees in other entities it controls in China, such as within its asset management joint venture with Shanxi Trust."

New ver. link: https://www.ft.com/content/eac99fd9-0c30-4141-821a-45348f61c113 WorldPeace888 (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)