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Date of the Battle

There's not source for the date 20 july. Many sources give 28 july.--Jolle (talk) 23:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, noticed this yesterday and just updated with a source for the new date! :) Lord Adam Vader (talk) 15:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman Turkish name

I added recently the Ottoman Turkish name for the battle, that being Template:Lang-ota. It was reverted by @Beshogur, claiming that Ottoman Turkish did not call the city [[wikt:آنقره|Template:Lang-ota]], but Engüriye.

Perhaps older Ottoman texts used Engüriye, but I am unsure in this regard. I have not encountered it in any Ottoman manuscripts regarding the battle.

For an example of Template:Lang-ota, in Ottoman Turkish, see it written above the map on page 68 of Template:Lang-ota, (1890) by Ahmet Rasim, as well as on the preceding page, where it is written as a chapter heading.

It is certainly a spelling that was used in Ottoman Turkish, even if possibly not at the time of the battle. If there is a source using Engüriye in reference to the battle, that would be useful, but I cannot find such a thing. Samiollah1357 (talk) 09:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What's the date of this work? Beshogur (talk) 15:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1890, as was stated after its name. It should be noted that Template:Lang-ota, has 32 results on Google Books, whereas Template:Lang-ota, has 0 results. A number of the results for the former are duplicates, but they are nonetheless still more than for the latter. Given that no historical sources seem to use Template:Lang-ota, and that multiple use Template:Lang-ota, I would consider it a more appropriate option for inclusion in the article, even if it is possibly associated with later Ottoman. Samiollah1357 (talk) 15:53, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, I didn't claim "Engüriye Muḥârebesi" exists. I told it was an Ottoman name. I agree for inclusion if it's 1890. Beshogur (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was not claiming that it existed either, simply that the battle was not referred to with the name Engüriye as far as I know. Some other sources from the period that refer to it as Template:Lang-ota, include Template:Lang-ota, (1891) by Abdurrahmân Şeref Efendi, and Template:Lang-ota, (1894) by Alî Cevât.

It seems we agree on the appropriate nature of its inclusion, so I will add it back to the article. Samiollah1357 (talk) 17:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]