In fact this map shows the areas that kurdish language by its various dialects is spoken; During the centuries many kurdishtribes have been exiled or forced to migrate to difference parts of middle east.
But actually Kurdistan is only the bigger part which is in south-east Turkey, northern Iraq, east and north-west Iran and north-east Syria; and not the former Soviet, northern Khorasan... although there surely do live many kurds so that in northern khorasan "Ghouchan" is a kurdish speaking city.
I have many kurdish friends in those small areas out of The Great Kurdistan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added byMezopotamia (talk • contribs) 17:58, 1 October 2005.
Signing
Greetings! Just noticed your efforts to keep Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi NPOV, well done. A reminder to sign all your talk page comments, like the warning to User:219.93.174.105. Keep up the good work!--inks07:30, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Shervin! I asked some Admins to help us stop vandalism, I look forward to get rid out of 219.93.174.105 soon! --Sina14:15, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings, Shervink. Thanks for writing. The statement that the takeover was "legally legitimate" is a legal opinion that is certainly disputed by many parties. The U.S. National Security council, for instance, referred to the takeover as a "coup" back in 1952.[1]. Nearly every reputable book on the subject refers to the event using this term (although a few, as you know, dispute the charicterization), and nearly every reputable newspaper uses the term "coup" to describe the event.[2][3] Certainly one could make a case that the takeover was "legally legitimate", but one could also make the case that the takeover was "illegal and immoral", and neither interpretation should be stated as fact in Wikipedia. Our neutral point of view policy says that when there is significant controversy over a statement, that statement should not be stated as fact; instead the article should say who believes the statement and who disputes it. So it would be better to have a section called "the legality of the coup" or somesuch that list which researchers believe the takeover was illegal, and which believe it was legal, and the reasons given for each. Regards, – Quadell(talk) (bounties)20:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Shervink. I suggest that, since our views have been pretty much covered at the talk page, we communicate directly through each others user talk pages instead so as not the clutter the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi talk page any futher. Do you agree ? ---- Melca00:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
CONGRATULATIONS!
With much satisfaction have i read your contributions to the Mohammad Reza PAHLAVI article! I am impressed with the way you handle the onslaught of brainwashed populistic media victims who simply quote some publications, unreflectedly and without own comprehension, trying to keep information on this platform "mainstream" instead of factual! Thank you for fighting errate falsification attempts by young, overzealous ignorami or, halfwitts opposed to the pahlavi regime, who (metaphorically foaming from the mouth) attempt to contort history, to suit their fancy.Pantherarosa01:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Shervink, in response to your kind message: I don't have harsh words, as a matter of fact, for critics of the PAHLAVI regime per se (I have a considerable amount of criticism myself visavis the latter). All I refer to is THOSE CRITICS who post POV here , guided by hatred or other unhelpful sentiments, as that is not what WIKIPEDIA strives to offer the public that looks here for encyclopedic entries. Pantherarosa01:31, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
با درود و عرض خسته نباشید.
خواستم خدمت شما برسانم که با گذاشتن چند واژه سام ویا موست نمیتوان جلو تجزیه کردستان را گرفت. در کردستان هم ملیگرا وجود دارد هم تجزیه طلب. تنها تجزیه طلبها برای خود هویت آرایی و اصیل تعین میکنند و حتی خون فارسها را کثیف و غیر آریایی مینامند و.
خود را وارثین برحق و مظلوم امپراطوری ماد مینامند. لطفا این قدر سر این واژه وقت خودتان را ضایع نکنید.
These three users are on some sort of anti-Iranian crusade vandalizing all the Iranian and Persian related articles. We need to keep an eye on their " edit activities" as their intentions is not sincere but merely for the purpose of propagating false information.
Ibn sina
Someone in the Ibn Sina page is deleting the word Persian everyday and I have to put it back on. I gave him three sources that Ibn Sina was identified as Iranian or Persian (including Britannica) and he still edits it. Is there anyway I can stop him? In my opinion he is breaking the rules since I have sources and he does not. I would appreciate your help.
He is also saying that Uzbekistan and Afghanistan were not parts of Persia at the time of his birth but instead parts of the Islamic Caliphate
Is this true? Of course this does not make Ibn Sina any less Persian/Iranian but I just wanted to make sure.
The user Aucaman has been vandalizing Persian people, as well as several other Iran-related articles, claiming that "modern Persians are mix of Arabs and Mongols" editing the article, or adding a dispute tag, based on his own personal assumptions and conclusions without any valid source to support such outrageous revisionist theory. If you have an opinion on this topic, please join the Talk:Persian_people, so we can reach a consensus for the removal of the "dispute tag".
Iranian Watchdog
Aucaman and a few others like Heja Helweda and Diyako have been repeatedly and systematically vandalizing the Iran-related topics such as Persian people and Iranian peoples, propagating false information, maliciously editing/disputing/deleting without one shred of proof to backup their wild claims, applying the strawman falsification approach, trying to establish new 'facts" based on their own personal assumptions and beliefs.
In order to prevent this situation, we need to create an Iranian Watchdog on Wikipedia and guard the integrity and quality of all the Wikipedia articles that are related to Iran and Iranians. Please let me know if you think that's a good idea. --ManiF13:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. I'm kind new here, but if you could get an expert wikipedian to creat the Iranian Watchdog, I can request Iranian.com to introduce the group plus a few of the problematic articles that are routinely vandilized by certain individuals of certain backgrounds, so that more Iranian intellectuals would join Wikipedia to help protect the integrity and quality of all the Wikipedia articles that are related to Iran and Iranians.. --ManiF18:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually the guy who wrote most of the article so I was not vandalizing it. Once spoken was in reference to a much wider area where Iranian languages were spoken including by Sarmatians in Europe and various Iranian peoples found in Xinjiang. These groups have been reduced in the northern areas and so Iranian languages are now found in the southern regions. What exactly is the problem with the edits I made? They correspond to the usage found in Germanic peoples and Slavic peoples and in most reference books. Tombseye20:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded it so that there is no confusion as to its usage. I think adding a cultural section is a good idea as some common cultural traits such as Nooroz would help the article. Like I said, the Germanic and Slavic pages are good examples and this article would be greatly helped by adding other sections found in those pages. Tombseye21:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the usage is the same in the academic sense. At most universities, Iranian peoples are grouped through language and this usage is applied in various departments. The 3 are similar in that the various Iranian peoples vary as much as the Slavic and Germanic peoples do since they can be found in a wide area and often have contrasting cultural traits etc. thus an Italian Bavarian from Tyrol won't be identitical to someone from Iceland. I'm only applying what can be found in various reference books. Encyclopedia Americana notes that Kurds are an Iranian people, but distinctly not Persian for example. The reference section found at the bottom of the page are mostly my additions as well and I think they explain the usage with an emphasis upon language which is clear. Tombseye21:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually not trying to help anyone so much as help the article. I mostly wrote the article with Khoikhoi helping with the editing as well. It was written to explain the usage of Iranian and the analogies helped the article because otherwise there were people who kept thinking Iranian simply meant Iran or Persians and wanted the article gone since it seemed to claim, from their perspective, that Kurds, Pashtuns etc. were all Persians which is not the case. I wrote the article so that the analogies with Germanic people and Slavic people (and Romance people for that matter) would explain the usage of the term that encompasses many different attributes. I wouldn't have written the article at all if I was trying to ignore the concept of the Iranian peoples. In addition, I added the genetic section that shows more links between the Iranian peoples as well. Hopefully, this clear things up a bit. Tombseye21:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Watchdog
It's a good idea, but I wouldnt know what exactly could we do. We have no Iranian admin, funny as it sounds, to protect our pages from such vandalisms. (we had some admins, but they have long gone and dont edit anymore).--Zereshk23:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi guys, I need your help for the article Babylon, Al Khwarizmi, Bebe_stores, God, knight, parthia, angel, satan, devil, cavalry, Iran, Persia, PersianPeople, Magi, demon, Al Biruni, Avicenna, monotheism, Sinbad the Sailor, One thousand and one nights, Summum bonum, and other [articles related to Persia], since many people are actively trying to misrepresent Iran. I have tried very hard to enhance the reader’s knowledge, as well as, to correct any undermining, or misrepresentation about Iran. I have written many essays clarifying Persia and Parthia are names erroneously used for ancient Iran, since it is shocking to see some represent Parthia as a country in SW Asia, and say that they were foreign ruler of Persia, while stating the second dynasty to Persia were the Sassanids. I have also tried to correct many mistakes, and even blatant attempts of some trying to represent Persian scientists as Arabs. Finally, armed with information from Jewishencyclopedia.com[4], and Christian Encyclopedias like Ccel.org/php/wwec.php, and Bible-history.com/isbe/Z/ZOROASTRIANISM, that state angelology, demonology, apocalyptical, and eschatological ideas first came from the Persian Empire who influenced the Jews, then later the Judeo-Christian units. These encyclopedias even admit the idea of monotheism being introduced to humanity by Zoroaster is still in debate--yet no one seems to even be willing to admit to such important discoveries, sometimes due to bigotry.
However, one person alone cannot do this--others must help, to show a consensus, and to avoid violating the 3rr rules. If you agree with any of the changes below, put that article in question on your watch list, and simply copy and paste the texts I edited in the article; of course many try to revert it, so go to the discussion board and submit refrences.
bebe stores is an American clothing retailer founded in 1976 by the Iranian born Manny Mashouf--who immigrated to the United States in the early 70s, and opened the first bebe store in San Francisco.
In the Ancient Orient, many cities had their own local god, though this henotheistic worship of a single god did not imply denial of the existence of other gods. The Hebrew Ark of the Covenant is supposed (by some scholars) to have adapted this practice to a nomadic lifestyle, paving their way for a singular God. Yet, many scholars now believe that it may have been the Zoroasterian religion of the Persian Empire that was the first monotheistic religion, and the Jews were influenced by such notions (this controversy is still in debate)[5]
The origin of heavily armoured cavalry (cataphractos) lies in Parthian and Sassanid Persia, and medieval chivalry absorbed many Persian traditions in the course of the Perso-Byzantine wars.[citation needed] For example, Ammianus Marcellinus, a Roman general and historian, who served in the army of Constantius II in Gaul and Persia, fought against the Persians under Julian the Apostate and took part in the retreat of his successor, Jovian. He describes the Persian knight as:
"All their companies clad in iron, and all parts of their bodies were covered with thick plates, so fitted that the stiff joints conformed with those of their limbs; and forms of the human faces were so skillfully fitted to their heads, that since their entire bodies were covered with metal, arrows that fell upon them could lodge only where they could see a little through tiny openings opposite the pupil of the eye, or where through the tips of their noses they were able to get a little breath."
"The Persians opposed us serried bands of mail-clad horsemen in such close order that the gleam of moving bodies covered with closely fitting plates of iron dazzled the eyes of those who looked upon them, while the whole throng of horses was protected by coverings of leather. "
Before the Iron Age, the role of cavalry on the battlefield was largely performed by light chariots. The power of mobility given by mounted units was recognized early on, but was offset by the difficulty of raising large forces and by the inability of horses (then mostly small) to carry heavy armor.
It is noteworthy to mention that heavy cavalry was first used by the Iranian Parthians, and more so by the Sasanids (both, but especially the latter, were famed for the cataphract, heavy cavalry armed with lances) [1]. During the Roman-Persian wars, the Parthians swift mounted counter-attacks would prove too much for the Romans at first, who were the master of hand-to-hand combat. However, later the Romans would successfully adapt such heavy armor, and tactics [2].
Sinbad the Sailor (also spelled "Sindbad", from Arabic 'Sin-di-bad, from Persian 'Sand-baad) is the name of a legendary story from Persia about an Arab sailor during the Abbasid Caliphate who has numerous fantastic adventures during his voyages throughout the seas east of Africa and south of Asia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GodSupreme Being was a concept that according to some scholars was likely first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda[6], `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs.
An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs [7].
Many scholars believe humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as The Devil and demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster that would later single-handedly influence Judeo-Christian beliefs. This is discussed in more detail below.
Section, History
During the reign of the Arab Abbasid Caliph Harun al-Rashid in the 8th century, Baghdad had become an important cosmopolitan city. Merchants from Persia (Iran), China, India, Africa, and Europe were all found in Baghdad. It was during this time that many of the stories, which were originally folk stories, are thought to have been collected orally over many years and later then compiled into a single book.
The nucleus of the stories is formed by an old Persian book called Hazâr Afsâna ('Thousand Myths', Persian: ??????????). The later compiler and translator into Arabic is reputedly storyteller Abu abd-Allah Muhammed el-Gahshigar in the 9th century. The frame story of Shahrazad seems to have been added in the 14th century. The first modern Arabic compilation, made out of Egyptian writings, was published in Cairo in 1835.
11. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Khwarizmi
Make sure no one changes Al Khwarizmi’s birthplace from Persia to Arabia
Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) was a concept first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda, `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later heavily influence Judeo-Christian beliefs, and change the course of humanity. In Western literature, it is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean (a religion by another Persian prophet, Mani) convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center.
Make [sure] you go to these Wikipedia articles and put them on your watch list. Try to invite others who agree with these edits, and get them involved, be active, be persistence; however, most of all, be factual and be respectful.
I agree with your view that says Kurds are Iranian people 100% if for no reason other than the fact that they speak an Iranian language. However these editors have a phobia to the name Iran and they are bringing any excuse possible not to mention it in the first sentence. This is why I decided to drop it from the first sentence. We will not get anywhere with them, they even attacked the “Persian people” page only to distract us from telling the truth about Kurds. I thought if we drop Iranian from the first sentence, we might be able to at least force them to have it in the second paragraph. At least it will be better than the current version which is trying to push the reference to Iranian language as farther down the article as they can and instead talk about political stuff.
Again I agree with you completely but I don’t think these editors will ever accept the word Iranian in the beginning. the truth is they have no real argument as to why it should not be mentioned. What name would we have for people who speak an Iranian language? even if we accept all they are saying about being genetically different.I know this is why they attacked the Iranian people page. They refuse to accept facts. Do you have any suggestions?
The ancient Persians from the province of Pars became the rulers of a large empire under the Achaemenid dynasty in the sixth century BC, reuniting the tribes and other provinces in the ancient Iranian Plateau and forming the country, Iran (Persian: land of Aryans). Over the centuries Persia was ruled by various dynasties; some of them were native Iranian Achaemenids, Parthians (Persian: Ashkanian), Sassanids, Buwayhids and Samanids), and some of them were not (the Seleucids, Seljuk Turks, Afsharids and Qajars). It is important to note that the founding dynasty of the empire [the Achaemenids, and later the Sassanids were from the southern provinces of Pars, from which in Western literature the word Persia is derived to used to distinguish between ancient and moder Iran. However, according to archeological evidence found in moder day Iran in the form of Cuneiforms that goes back to the Achaemenid era, it is evident that the country had been Iran from its birth.
The Persian civilization spawned four major religions: Zoroastrianism, Mithraism,
Manichaeanism, and the Baha’i Faith. Other religions such as Mazdakism, and Manichaeism also arose from ancient Iran, with the former having been dubbed the first communistic ideology, and the latter heavily influencing Saint Augustine; hence, indirectly influencing Christianity: Both religions were sub-branches of Zoroastrianism. Today many scholars while still debating on which religion first introduced monotheism; Zoroastrianism, or Judaism, they, however, have conceded that it was the religion of Zoroastrianismthat for the first time introduced angelology, demonology, apocalyptical doctrines, as well as, some eschatological notions to humanity[8]. Such ideas would later be passed on to the Babylonian Jews via the Persian Empire. All of these reflect the extreme dualism of Persian culture which has also significantly influenced Judeo-Christianity and Western civilization. In addition, Persian civilization has affected its neighbors through culture, religion, and language.
Copy and paste this under article Angel. It is being reverted even though my source is preeminent. Also, the articles Al Khwarizmi and Al Biruni are being unfairly edit to show ``Arabian`` origins.
Introduction to Angel
An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs[9].Zmmz22:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
-Shrevnik, would you regard Parsis as literally Persians or of Persian descent? After all, they dont speak a Persian language and have embraced Indian culture and absorbed it into their Zoroastrian religious tradition, although they are racially unmixed. This identity of the Parsis has been a point of contestation for some of us.
-User: Afghan Historian
Your leaving WP is certainly premature since you have not been around for very long. Editors such as Zereshk and myself have been around for quite awhile and we're still around, though I will be slowly cutting back since due to the perpetual problems certain bigoted users like to constantly impose upon the Iranian articles. It certainly won't end, which is why editors such as yourself, should remain and focus on those articles where the problems are the greatest. Khoikhoi is also an excellent editor and someone to turn to for backup when things are getting difficult. You just need to be patient and try your best to stay NPOV and hopefully if there are more editors involved the problems will be solved. In the case of Persian people and Iranian peoples we have many editors getting involved, so your continued involvement would be worthwhile. SouthernComfort03:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was told that you were heavily involved in Iranian peoples - theres a content dispute going on and I'm trying to mediate it here - would you mind posting your issues with the article there and we can talk? Thanks! -- Tawker00:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your views concerning the coup aside, you may wish to help clean up the article on the Revolution and present a counter POV to the extreme anti-Shah side presented. SouthernComfort17:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, at any rate, I hope you decide to increase your involvement because as you very well know, there are a few editors (fortunately only a very few) that are only interested in injecting their own personal opinions into articles and who have displayed quite an antagonistic and racist attitude towards Iran and Iranians. The above article is a cakewalk in comparison after you've gone through what we've dealt with over this past year. ;) SouthernComfort07:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Please go here[10], erase your signature from section `Users certifying the basis for this dispute, and instead, sign under the section`Other users who endorse this summary`. ThanksZmmz07:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so please sign under the other section too, because the first section you signed in, does not show your support, rather shows you tried to solve the dispute, and that you certify you did try, that`s it. ThanksZmmz08:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Iranian Wikipedians' Notice Board (WatchDog)
Please bookmark this page, for daily updates on the status of the Iran-related articles. Read notices posted by others or add your own notice by updating "Urgent view". --ManiF16:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz
User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.
Here is what user:Diyako has written;
Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.
According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.
Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.
Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!
He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.
ShervinK, give me your email. Ive sent a message to other users that I think you need to be in jaryaan as well.--Zereshk23:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
HOw do I report Diyako to the ArbBrd?
I asked Z about this but I would also like to ask you.
Also look at the Kurdish flag and the fabrication he has made.
GO see his talk pages and the comments he said including the Farsis statment. After he was told that Farsi should not be used and is offensive to certain users he dilberatly insiste on using it to arouse anger. Also I made clear warning about the Kurdish flag on the Kurdistan page about the fake sources. He has placed fake sources. Check them out they are random or not related. They are neither proof or verification. He says the Kurdish flag is criminal in Iran and it was him and someone else in the past I think that state it carried the death sentence. This is clear violaation, but of what and how do I report him? 69.196.139.25002:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
CLEAR evidence on Acuman; here is part of the evidence
It has to do with an old discussion in the Kurds and Kurdistan articles and how it was being vandalized and phoney sources were being used. It was pointed out to user:Acuman and Heja, but they ignored it. Read my talk page. It gives you the lead and the trail. The digging in the archieves someone else can do. If you succeed in digging it up from the archeieves you can prove that this group of users are biased and with an agenda. I have just proved user:Diyako is on a agenda on my talk page and with my evidence. He has been caught red handed. Manik666 04:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Warning
This mesage is regarding the Kurdish festival of Newroz. Please do not blank and redirect different articles [11].
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
Dear shervink, I don't know why you and me never come a compromise on a matter! I'm sure that what I edit is true, because I do not like to be involved in edit wars. I can accept to rename the Kurdish article on spring festival to avoid misleading and concerns by our Iranian friends. for me the most important is the content and existence of a artilce which is specially on Kurds and Newroz festival.DiyakoTalk+16:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No you are wrong: The Kurdish Newroz is different than Iranian one and it deserves an article which discuss the matter in details. also you can mention and discuss the Kurdish new year festival in the article Iranian new year festival. but tou cannot censor or kill the article on Kurdish Newroz. DiyakoTalk+16:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. I wish this new beautiful solar year (Iranian: 1385) will be a good year for you and all wikipedians esp Iranian wikipedians who I have had more contact with these friends va sale khoobi khahad bood baraye tahkim doosti miyane hamaye ma. Happy and long live the ancient and Zoroastrian celebration of Norouz! DiyakoTalk+17:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
He claims something here.
I am not sure what he is talking about but he says you do not "think" like me, I'd like you to go there and comment please. --Kash17:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Biased POV pushers and double standards
Hi, You were right, Unfortunately Wikipedia nowadays has become to arena of some biased POV pushers who have double standards for every thing! But I promise never let them to abuse that. Also you are more logical than I thoughut before. XebatTalk+03:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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I agree. It would be difficult to work on article about Iranian monarchism in general. I started an article on another monarchist group, but for some reason I've been unable to find it - perhaps it may have been deleted. Do you know how many groups are out there and if Rastakhiz is still actually functioning? SouthernComfort13:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I was thinking as well - there is a Rastakhiz website, which used to have more information, but it no longer seems to be active (just a single page or two with a photo). I've never heard of the group actually still existing. The Constitutionalist Party - that's the one I think I started the article for. It must have been deleted. But they are not primarily connected to the Pahlavis, I don't think? From what I understand they are only in favor of the restoration of the constitutional monarchy, as established after the Constitutional Revolution. Shapour Bakhtiar's group was/is not monarchist, right? Any help you could provide in expanding these articles would be great. I've added some bits to Rastakhiz, but I've had a hard time tracking down any concrete sources, not even at the library - most sources deal with the negative aspects of Rastakhiz, but fail to offer any detail as to the inner workings of the party and the relationship to groups that were brought under its umbrella. SouthernComfort13:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, if you could help track down a source for the fact that economic analysts during the 1970s predicted that Iran would surpass Western Europe in standard of living, that'd be great. I've been searching for this for awhile now since I've read about it before, but it's been tedious wading through numerous texts. ;) SouthernComfort13:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to leave yet another message, but have a look at this image of the Shah [12]. I think it's better than the one currently on his page. Do you know if all images of Shah are the domain of his estate? SouthernComfort13:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for starting that article; looks good - I've added a couple of categories. By the way, do you have any sources regarding Mossadegh's ethnic background. His article states that he was of Qajar descent, but I've never read this. I'd always read that he was primarily of Bakhtiari lineage. SouthernComfort13:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not make harmful comments against other users, as you did here. It is strictly against wikipedia policy, and is something that users may be temporarily blocked for if they persist. Just keep in mind, the general guideline to help keep civility is that we must discuss article content, not other users. --InShaneee18:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'Unable or inexperienced'? That's as much a bad faith assumption as the first scenario you presented to me. If you think he misunderstood your post, say, "I think you misunderstood me", then try to clarify yourself. The comment I cited above had no such consructive value. --InShaneee20:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What I 'expect' you to do is to follow wikipedia's policies of assuming good faith and being civil to other users, regardless of how you think they should be treated. If another user is in violation of policy, report them to me or another admin and we will deal with it. Until then, if you do not show respect to them, regardless of how you feel about them or their contributions, you will be blocked. --InShaneee18:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're free to think what you want of your own actions; just know that comments like that are unnacceptable on wikipedia, regardless of your justifications. --InShaneee22:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Iranian Azerbaijan
Hi there,
I just wanted to let you know that user, khoikhoi (MOD) keeps including the very offensive term, "south azerbaijan" on the Iranian Azerbaijan page. We should not let him post this propoganda and false information. That term has no place in an encycolpedia article. It is not relevent to the content. What a few seperatists call that region should not be shown here. If we dont stop this, people will start including the "a#abian gulf" as an alternate name on the Persian gulf page.
Including Azeris in Iranian peoples. - Need your vote.
Not sure if you are around. I knew you were a strong advocate of inclusion of Iranian Turks among Iranian peoples. There is a vote going on the Talk:Iranian_peoples. Please join in and cast your vote. 203.48.45.19406:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you think it is funny how the same people who oppose George Bush and his "plans" for middle east, are often the same people who have their own "opinions" on what is right and what is not right for the people of middle east?!! It is hideous. Not that I am a fan of G.B. -- - K a s h Talk | email18:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding your last edit comments to the Pahlavi article, please know that he is still the heir to the throne but the throne is no longer in power. For this reason JDirl uses the term "pretender" to refer to Pahlavi and considers the throne to be "defunct." However, this is not true as long as Pahlavi and his family are still alive. Take, for example, the period in which Pahlavi's father was forced to leave Iran due to the Mossadegh administration. When the Mossadegh administration was overthrown with the assistance of Western forces, the Pahlavi throne was reinstated but no one had expected this to ever occur. This could very well occur again as long as the family is alive. Should the throne ever become the official authority in Iran, then Pahlavi or his family will head it. As long as that is even a remote possibility, Pahlavi is the heir to the throne even if the throne does not currently establish the head of government in Iran. The same goes for the Romanoff family in Russia. The decendents of the family are referred to as the heirs to the Russian monarchy eventhough they are not in power. Those decendents certainly have much less of a chance of ever coming to power in Russia than the chance of Pahlavi coming to power in Iran. --Strothra15:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You know, I don't think his name is "Cyrus" at all. I believe this term has been introduced since all the Pahlavi names are usually Islamic (Mohammad, Reza, and even Reza P II's kids names) so nationalists may have introduced this non-existant "middle name". --K a s h Talk | email09:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have established the fact that Azaris are Iranian
User:grandmaster is tryig every dirty trick in the book to repress my citations and proper edits that have followed procedure. 72.57.230.179
Civility
Regarding this edit: Please remember to remain civil during discussions and assume good faith in other users at all times. Not all sources are reliable and usable by wikipedia, which is a fact; assuming that a user is simply 'ignoring' sources is disrespectful. --InShaneee16:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Azarbijan
Keep an eye on all the Azari related articles. Please take a look at Shah Ismail. As you know Pan-Turkists try and say he was a Turk who took over Iran instead of he was the King of Iran. The Azari pages are grossly being manipulated or disfigured please keep an eye on them and get active.
This was written[14]
and this was the response [15].
Here is the translation: How are you. To soon to give a complicated comment. These protests have been forming a long time coming and they are ripening, this wan not and necessary the only occasion, so that it would splash out to the streets. The basic problem is the fact that they [Iran?/Persians? I don't know who, but he says they] reject tp the Azaris the right to thei national identity, the right to the development of their own language and distinct culture. You can see even here, in the consideration of articles, Iranian Azarbaijan and Azarbaijanians. Some Iranian participants insist on saying Azaris are an Iranian ethnicity, although it is widely-known that Azaris are Turkic. This is what is being represented or occuring in Iran itself. Conflict apparently on this basis, people [Azaris] require the protection of their cultural rights.
These is only the tip of the ice berg. 72.57.230.179
Hello Shervink. In spite of a notification of the 3rr policy, you have continued to revert, resulting in a 24hr block under 3RR. Please discuss on the talk page when this expires. Blnguyen | Have your say!!!01:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please help in telling admins about actions of Wirya and Helgurd on Kurdish people. They keep removing sources and leaving misleading edit summary. They have removed everything I added even though it is sourced. If you know an admin, please tell them to take action against this unjust action. Khorshid12:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Unfortunately this Khorshid has a clear biased point of View and is going to cause a problem among Kurdish and Iranian users. I doubt he is Iranian or at least Iranic. Wirya13:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Spamming
Removing talk page spam is standard proceedure. If you don't believe me, feel free to go run and complain to AN:I, though I warn you, you won't like won't like what you hear. --InShaneee16:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am correct, and if you dont' believe me, as I said, complain on AN:I and see for yourself. Just because it's not written down doesn't mean that it's not done by dozens of admins every day. I know the policy, and I'm perfectly willing and able to enforce it. Please stop confusing other users by telling them differently, as I can't be responsible for what happens to them when they violate policy on your say-so. --InShaneee21:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please watch this page and post your public messages on this page so that everybody may have access to it. Thanks --Aminz05:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Doroud
I was going to email you but since you have not specified any email i post it here. Duste aziz on kasi ke postaro az roye safe var dasht, tanha kasie ke tarafe kasi ro vaghean nemigire. In shakhs hich manzore badi az var dashtane nameha az safe nadasht, faghat dasht karesho mikard, ghablanam haminkaro ba namehaye Aucaman karde. Ba sepaas, --Spahbod☼00:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this edit. You have removed referenced content again, such as "Democratically elected" and "U.S. funded CIA coup". These are both referenced. Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Mohammed Mossadegh, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. These subjects have been already been discussed at the talk page. See here and here. --- Melca20:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this edit. This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Mohammed_Mossadegh, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. You have again removed that Mossadegh was Democratically elected and that the Coup was funded by the British and U.S. governments. Instead you have watered it down to Mossadegh was "appointed by the Shah..." and that Mossadegh was removed with "supported from the British and U.S. governments". What kind of support? By writing that the support was a "British and U.S. funded CIA coup" makes this explicit. Instead of engaging in a revert war please discuss you changes at the talk page first and reach consensus. I have left your addition that Mossadegh "was twice appointed to office by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, and approved by the vote of the democratically elected parliament" but i need a reference that explicitly states that that was how Prime ministers were elected at that time in Iran. According to this book that was not how prime ministers were elected.
Dear Shervink. Regarding this edit by you. You have removed referenced content again from Mohammed_Mossadegh. This will be the last time i will be warning you. The next time you remove referenced content such as "CIA coup" and led by "Kermit Roosevelt" i will report you for vandalism. I really dont want to do that so please use the talk page instead of engaging in a revert war. There are several references in the article all referring to the events as a CIA coup which was led by Kermit Roosevelt. --- Melca11:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Shervink,
I am very sorry to find you harassed by amateurs who try to impose their halfcocked views on this platform, lacking the knowledge, diplomacy and intelligence of an editor of your caliber. You will however not cease to be regarded as the EXTRAORDINARY and extremely resourceful contributor, just because some miserable wretches try to taint your accomplishments with POV and self-congratulatory gibberish! Timothy Gordon Brown
Memoir
Hi Shervink. I am very interested in reading Mossadeghs memoir but i haven't been able to find his book even with the information you provided. Do you know where your friend got it from or could you maybe ask him the next time you talk to him? Thanks a lot! --- Melca22:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
RE surname, then check out the genealogical link ... His father's last was Khan, as were his siblings. He didn't adopt Pahlavi until later in life. How do we handle this? It has to be handled properly and not ignored.Mowens3514:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Much better I think. What does Mirpanj translate to or represent/signify? And also, do you have any information as to why RS selected Pahlavi as the family surname and what year it was adopted? (We're probably going to have to do something along this line in the last Shah's article, since he wasn't born Pahlavi.)Mowens3516:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Two Articles in need of your attention
There are two entries at Wikipedia, which have falsely created -- they are Turco-Persian and Turko-Persian Tradition. Both entries are factitious. I have requested the entries to be deleted. My reasons are:
The term Turko-Persian Tradition (or Turco-Persian) does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The correct name for that culture is the Persianate culture not the "Turko-Persian". Turkophones (mostly of mixed race and Persianized in culture) only spoke in Turkic dialects and were in the military. That is not enough participation in creating and forming the culture to deserve the name "Turko-Persian Tradition" – This is misinformation. All the elements in that area, which have to do with tradition and culture, were drawn from the Iranian culture and the Islamic faith, not much Turkic elements (like shamanism, yurts etc.) were incorporated in. That is what makes the name "Turko-Persian" an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted.
Please see [16]. We need to change the WP:MoS for Persian transliteration. MoS forces us to use Arabic transliteration for Persian words. It makes no sense. Please see the problem I have now on transliteration of Kiarostami. [17]
Please do not resort to vandalism on wikipedia. There are plenty of Persian monarchists' sites that you can use to rant about your Great Reza Shah!! The Meat-Muppetry will be reported if you continue with your vandalism. Artaxerex02:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Artaxerex it is ironic that you would make such an accusation - congratulations on getting yourself banned, and having all your sockpuppets exposed by Wikipedia admin! We will now commence the long process of undoing your vandalism over the last few months. Mehrshad12320:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Email
Doroud Shervin, can you please enable being contacted via email through your preferences it would be a great help. Spaas, --Rayis15:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reza Shah
Holy smokes! That article has gotten way out of control. My suggestion is to use the last known "good" version, and then add in any useful/NPOV information from the recent edits. What do you think? ♠ SG→Talk23:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we could leave that article as-is for a few days while we separately create a new one at User:SG/Reza Shah. Once we make an article that is sufficiently neutral and accurate, we could move it over to the actual Reza Shah page. ♠ SG→Talk16:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is reaching crisis proporations - I have fixed some of the damages, but reading through it, I find that the vandalism done by "Faranbazu" and his sockpuppet accounts has been on-going for weeks and it is extensive throughout the article. I will try to contribute more time in removing the falsified, nonsensical information and references, but would appreciate help from other editors in this work. Shervin: thanks for the heads-up. You should be able to get through now. Mehrshad12318:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Secularism
Please see Secularism in Iran. I have made this article and since you seem to know alot about the era in question, I would appreciate if you could help expand and find references. For now I just wrote a basic writeup and when I have time I will try to add the references and more information, but if you and any others who are knowlegeable about this could help, that would be great. Merci. Khorshid08:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Shervink, I'm sorry that you may feel hurted. I did not mean to make you angry. The problem, as I see it, is that you want to argue for a point of view for which no support can be found. Nobody wants to force you to abandon your king. My only concern is that when you write for wikipedia you must support your claims by some references. An argument that is not supported by a valid citation is a mere assertion. Also, its good to have a balanced approach.
You can be assured that the editors of wikipedia sooner or later will balance all the lopesided statements about Reza Shah's modernization programs. There are far too many analysis of his reform programs in the development literature that shows the were harmful and misguided. We will have the opportunity, later on, to get into this discussion. Also, why do you insist to call him "Great"? Cheers Faranbazu05:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Shervink, thank you for your reply. It is important that we provide a balanced approach. I don't mind that You call that dictator "Great", but I insist that it should be noted that the Mjles that gave the title was a "puppet" of the Shah. Faranbazu20:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Can you just move the suspected sockpuppet list to RFCU? It is tiring having to deal with his clumsily contrived "students" and their excellent research. I really don't mind dealing with him but it would be nice for the games to end. I'm not sure which CU code it falls under but it seems high time to get it out of the way. The Behnam01:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In your sockpuppet case, you appear to be complaining that the users have utilized sockpuppets to revert articles. If the combined reverts between the suspected sockpuppet accounts would have violated the three-revert rule, you may file under code E. You will need to provide diffs showing the combined reverts which would violate 3RR if indeed the accounts are operated by the same person. SeraphimbladeTalk to me10:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You've already got a checkuser request in on the person, so let's see the results of that before any action is taken. It looks like you need to fix your request, though-you've got an IP address listed, which will get the request listed noncompliant (checkusers are forbidden by the privacy policy to comment publically on any IP address), and there are also accounts listed for which you have not provided diffs of revert-warring. If you need detailed help, ask one of the clerks there, they deal with it all the time and can probably tell you what the problem is better then I can guess at it. SeraphimbladeTalk to me22:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, Shervink. First, thanks for having Artaxerex/Faranbazu checked out. Though, we haven't heard the last of him; he'll be back in under 48 hours.
In the mean time, I'd like to ask you to join me on Mohammad Reza Pahlavi/New. So far, it's just been me and azalea_pomp over there. I'd like for us to start working on a cleaner and, hopefully, unbiased article about the Shah. I know you wrote a lead already, but I did one in there as well, so hopefully we can collaborate on that and come up with the definitive introduction to the article.
Shervin, Thank you for donating your time in helping us expose the troll User:Faranbazu and having him and his sockpuppets and meatpuppets banned! I am hoping the Reza Shah article will be unlocked soon so that the months of vandalism can be removed promptly. Mehrshad12320:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha?00:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Shervin, Thank you for your effort, Mazandaran has an unofficial flag which also being used in the past, Please place a request and notify me to voting for it, --Mazanderani11:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
User:Artaxerex and others are distributing claims mainly by the US strategist Terrill, indicating that Iranian leaders (Reza Shah, Mohammad Reza shah etc) were fascinated by European fascism!! and the good economic and diplomatic relation between Iran and Germany was due to their sympathy with Nazi ideologs!! They claim that Shah wanted to make a center in Iran for Nazis to control the Jews of middle east!!! Yes! these claims are really funny! but very dangerous!
Please note that in the context of the good relation between Iran and Germany, Iranian diplomat Abdol Hossein Sardari at the time of Reza shah, managed to save Iranian Jews in Paris and also many other Jews. He had also support from Iranian regime of the time. Dear Shervink, no matter what you think about Pahlavi regime or Islamic regime in Iran, please do not let these baseless claims to be propagated in wikipedia. These guys are not accusing a single person of supporting Nazi regime. They are indeed accusing Iran of being a state sponsor of racism and fascism. Please keep an eye on these guys. Thanks. Sina Kardar20:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did some edits to your user-page. Hope you don't mind? When you do, I'll immeditaly rewind it! Keep up the good work! -)-(-H- (|-|) -O-)-(- 15:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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I see you improved your user-page even further; good job! With the templates added to it, it looks even more professional. PS; in which country do you actually life? -)-(-H- (|-|) -O-)-(-18:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Question
What exactly is wrong with this[18] set of Artaxerex information? I looked for really controversial stuff but saw mainly coverage of the big feast. With this particular set I think that you should be able to 'balance' it without simply deleting it as the imbalances are not so plentiful as to be overwhelming. Also you should know that 'discuss on talk page, others don't like this information' isn't exactly an appropriate case for removal. Relying on the your weight in numbers alone doesn't make his information invalid; this is not a democracy. Cheers. The Behnam15:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that deleting of the valid references and erazing of the contribution of other editors are considered vandalism. You have consistently deleted very important references and undeniable historical facts. For example you have deleted references to Reza Khan's sympathy with Nazis. Or Mohammad Reza's atrocities that led to his ousting.If you have any references that refute these facts you should document them. This would provide an NPOV tone to the article. Artexrex
Your page
You were gald that I helped you with your user-page in the past. I'm now gonna putt our user-boxes in in a box- see how it looks, okay, I'll directly remove it when you don't like it, like next time (I'm still at it ight now). -)-(-H- (|-|) -O-)-(-16:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome!
That was the little work of mine to appreciating you, actually i don't know how to appreciate your kind works on mazandarani related pages, Hope to having further relations and improving the articles about mazandaran where i commited to protecting it's culture. --Ali00:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Artaxerex
Yes, his conduct has been frustrating and counterproductive. It is especially disappointing considering that a potentially constructive discussion has began (BTW please give your say on the first point there). I'll ask him to chill out and stop bashing other editors regardless of what he thinks of them. If that doesn't work we may have to look into other remedies. The Behnam16:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your good work
Thanks for your hard work on keeping the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi neutral. Some users are quite frustrating in their personal attacks. Your edits and suggestions have really improved the article. Azalea pomp16:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Shervin; I left a note on "TheBehnam"'s discussion page regarding his repeated interference in edits and disputes related to Iran-related articles. I do not believe he is Iranian at all because he has repeatedly shown that he has little to no knowledge on Iran-related topics and he simply interferes in valid edits by Iranian editors because "he feels like it", as opposed to having any knowledge of the topic.
I am quite concerned that he is being called to "mediate" content disputes on Iran-related articles when he has absolutely no knowledge in this area and if you know he we can remove his name from the referee list I will be glad to start a petition.Mehrshad12320:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this edit
Dear Shervin, [would be Nimiety] in my opinion, Since in the about section it also noted, also i saw no article about language to writing these notes ! Since persian just influenced some dialects, there is no justify to including this note, Thank you --Ali03:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but this stated in here, that page is for language, not for people, Also why you nominated Tapuria's history as hoax ? Maybe for flags and symbols ? See the book of Tarix-i Tabaristan Ardeshir Barzegar,
Also you were indeed deserved for barnstar, But i'm sure something maybe happened, please let me know, Assume we are friends, and these messages are some message whitin friends, i never want to affend you --Ali04:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Symbol
Dear SHervin, I also find this page which i hope help to finding out that they were all reliable, Look at the top of the coin, you will see the symbol, (Also read the message that i wrote above today, if you clicked on diff link)--Ali04:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Semitic
I didn't want to continue the aside on the article talk page, since we already have enough of that distraction problem there, but you may be interested in some information about Iran's "stock." From Iranica, in the time after the invasion Arabs moved in large numbers to Iran. The surprising part (to me, anyway) was the remark about Khorasan that "in Khorasan, after a couple of generations, it was difficult to say who was a Persian and who was an Arab." Khorasan is a large region today, and was even larger back then, so that is quite an admixture. It kind of goes against the view of most Iranians I've discussed with that they are very distinct from Arabs and "Semites." I wonder where they learned that they were part of an "Aryan race" instead of learning about their high degree of admixture. The Behnam23:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In light of discussion of "Light of the Aryans," and obvious ethnic use of "Aryan," I didn't find it unreasonable to think that we were talking about "stock." Even if you were actually referring to Aryan language and culture, that itself is highly Semitic. While the basic structure of the language is Indo-European, it has many Arabic loanwords, some Arabic structures, uses Arabic script, poetry based upon Arabic form, etc. As for culture, it is hard to know where to begin on how Semitic it is - Artaxerex already touched on a lot of the major examples - but the one that really sticks out (to me, anyway) is Islam. And do you notice many Zoroastrian things going on relative to Semitic things? OK, we've got Shahnameh, Chaharshanbeh suri perhaps, Norooz, maybe a few others, but it is nothing compared to Semitic elements. I don't notice any particular praise for the dog (or the water-dog (otter), which is equal in spirit to a 1000 dogs and a 1000 she-dogs combined). I don't notice an aversion to drawing water at night for fear of demons, or in general, a fear of demons (with associated rituals). Iranians don't show their dead to a dog so that the dog will drive away demons. No longer are there wars against ants and snakes. I wonder if "pedar sag" was a compliment back then. Anyway, I could go on, but I just don't see it very accurate to say Iran has a non-Semitic culture - what is so "Aryan" about it relative to Semitic elements? The Behnam18:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Vazgen
I'm not familiar with that article, but if it does seem that convincing just file checkuser (assuming that there is a violation occurring). Right now I'm trying to figure out my statement for ArbCom. The Behnam17:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please provide me with links to any supposed violations of his agreement not to edit war on those articles and no personal attacks? I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble finding, for example, where he actually called anyone "Aryamehrist." I need to know the extent of violation (if any) for my ArbCom statement. Even if I find no serious violations, I agree (based upon the tangential and confusing article talk threads) that Artaxerex still doesn't really know how to work on Wikipedia very well. None of the discussions have been productive (though SG's attacks didn't help). The Behnam17:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I took a look. I'm not so sure about the Aryamehr one, as it is quite vague - I didn't even notice that, and the message was to me. Does is really apply to you or SG or Mehrshad? Speaking softly in a liberal tone... Mehrshad definitely doesn't speak softly! Neither SG since he has been back. What the heck is a liberal tone? Also, have any of you been "acting despotically without shame?"
As for the "antisemitic" and "disgusting" issues, the points I took from his statement were:
He said that someone who claims that Persian Jews are not Iranian is anti-semitic. That isn't in any way equivalent to calling you antisemitic, since you didn't make such a statement. Did you?
He said that the statement disgusted him. I can see where this may be considered borderline personal, as there are better ways to state his disagreement, but I don't think Artaxerex was trying to attack you in stating his disgust with the false statement.
Overall, I am not convinced that he has violated the civility & personal attack part of his agreement.
However, I am greatly concerned at the apparent edit-warring using sockpuppets on some article I have never heard of. If this is what it appears to be, it confirms to me that Artaxerex never really learned why we have to follow certain rules here, regardless of whether or not the agreement only applied to Pahlavi articles. The point was not to abide by the requests out of respect for me alone, but out of respect for the rules and the community.
Now, we both know that with his impossibly long and unfocused talk page posts, Artaxerex doesn't really know how things are supposed to work on Wikipedia. I can tolerate this confusion so long as it isn't abusive, but some of his actions have been abusive. This abuse, however, was supposed to stop with his agreement, which itself was the product of many failed attempts to get him to play by the rules. Further edit warring and use of sockpuppets after this agreement will be the last straw for me. So, please push the RFCU through so that I can make up my mind on this user. Arbitration hasn't actually been accepted yet so I don't see any problem with requesting the checkuser.
All things considered, my statement and vision for this situation hinges upon the checkuser results. If the checkuser shows no abuse, I will probably push for formal mediation. On the other hand, if the checkuser tests positive, I will push for a ban of at least 6 months (assuming that no further abuse occurs within these months).
As you should know from ANI, there really isn't any reason to consider Vazgen an "abusive" sockpuppet, so I've withdrawn my ArbCom statement for now. Sorry if this disappoints you - I welcome discussion if you object to this reconsideration. The Behnam00:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Obstruction of Justice
Hello Shervink. Please explain why you have deleted RFC of Shervink & SG vs. Artaxerex? Important documents such as Melca's statement, and a record of the disputed points contained in the discussion pages should be available to everybody. Please note that offering interference of any sort to the work of investigators is Obstruction of Justice. Have a nice day. Artaxerex04:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Offering Conditional Reconciliation
Shervink, I'm offering you a conditional reconciliation that would give you the opportunity to exonerate yourself from the pro-Aryan_culture statements. Here are the 3 conditions:
1. You should apologize for your pro-Aryan statements, edit-wars (deleting sourced matrials related to the possible pro-Nazi sentiments of the Shah and his father), and your association with people like Mehrshad123, who has posted racial statements (such as Behnam being half-Iranian is not Iranian!).
2. You should apologize to Kurdish editors for your nationalistic statements ignoring their right to interpret their culture the way they see appropriate, and to editors such as Melca, for disregarding his valid sources, and using extremist-Iranian web sites as your source.
3. You should agree to return to the disputed pages with civility and allow the sourced views of other editors with opposing views be reflected in a balanced way. Have a nice day. Artaxerex03:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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