Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nellie Pratt Russell

Nellie Pratt Russell

Being one of 20 people to sign onto a article of incorporation for a sorority is not notable. This article's sources are only from the sorority, and no solid evidence for notability outside of the sorority is given. Justinm1978 (talk) 18:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC) Note: I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:[reply]

Delete not notable Jake the Editor Man _(talk) 19:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep - Let's just delete the sorority too? I have worked very hard on these articles, and you are disrupting the encyclopedia in deleting these? Fuck, let's just delete Alpha Phi Alpha's founders too. I am out of here. This is a waste of my fucking time. Miranda 19:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Can you guys knock it off? I suggest taking that argument to the talk page -- or maybe just deleting it. Thanks, --A. B. ^(talk) 20:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Accusing someone of WP:POINT violations is a violation of WP:CIVIL, and WP:AGF. If this issue deserves wider attention, the talk page is the right way to go. --Solumeiras ^talk 20:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a bit unfair; that basically says that WP:POINT is worthless, since to invoke it would be a violation of two other central Wikipedia notions. --Golbez (talk) 20:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Process comment -- as a general rule, founding sororities doesn't make people famous, however the obstacles these women faced as black female college students in 1913 make their story unusual. I suspect that some of these women went on to establish themselves notability-wise, while others, such as Minnie B. Smith who died young, didn't. I suggest considering these women individually. --A. B. ^(talk) 20:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I essentially agree with A. B.; these should be considered separately. Individuals who simply were involved in the founding of this organization would be best collected either at the organization's article, or at a "founders" article... those who have distinct separate notability deserver articles. I'm not overly comfortable with a mass nomination here.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletions. -- A. B. ^(talk) 20:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't think that founders individually are notable themselves for just starting an organization. I do think that if there has to be a page on the founders who are not individually notable, but are notable as a group for starting an organization, they can be merged to a page Founders of XYZ. --ImmortalGoddezz 20:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree with A. B. that due to the varying degrees of notability (especially considering the race-specific issues), it's impossible to do a bulk AfD on these articles. I think this AfD should either be restored to its original purpose (Ms Russell only) or closed as malformed. In any event, I think each article should be AfD'd individually. Anchoress (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

comment - I'm not certain what you mean by the "race-specific issue" and the varying degrees of notability. Could you please elaborate on this? My thoughts are it doesn't matter what race and individual belongs to, non-notable is non-notable. As for varying degrees of notability, there are individuals who were part of the founding group that I chose not to AfD because they had some clear notability beyond being a signer on an article of incorporation. These individuals have not done anything of note beyond that (unless I missed something in my original pass-through, which I admit there is a possibility). I suppose they could be AfD'd individually, but that seems rather excessive to do when none of them pass the standards of notability. Justinm1978 (talk) 21:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect into Founders of Alpha Kappa Delta, no need for an individual article on all of them and this way all information is retained. RMHED (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]