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better pictures

this article seriously needs some better pics of india --60.50.66.130 (talk) 14:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I have wonderful pictures of places in India but i dont know how to put them up....if Someone wants the pictures ill give them to you, and you can put them up....or you can get them from my myspace page....go to myspace.com/India100, and you will have lots of very very nice pictures of India. Please use them! 71.105.82.152 (talk) 22:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Dude, upload them to Flickr, that's what most pics on Wikipedia are from. Tri400 (talk) 13:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me? My actual user name is Aryan818 but ive been blocked and banned from editing becuase some morons think im a white supremacist nazi or something. But my name is Aryan and i live in the 818 area code, so thats why i put Aryan818. I had other people on wikipedia put in my website that i should not be banned or blocked , and yet there are morons out there who still take advantage of their power and try to ban and block me, even though it clearly says in my page DO NOT BLOCK THIS USER because ARYAN IS HIS NAME, AND 818 IS HIS AREA CODE. So can someone help me? Can someone PLEASE UNBLOCK ME? My user name is Aryan818. 71.105.82.152 (talk) 17:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Is someone going to help me or what? I have tons of pictures I want to load for this website, but I want to load it as a user not as a LOGGED OUT USER....the problem is my user name is banned from editing because some moron thinks im a white nazi or something, even though my page says not to block me. The person who did this was the user Zoe.....Can somebody please lift this stupid ban so I can edit? I want to give nice pictures of India 71.105.82.152 (talk) 18:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Can't you make a new username? That way you can upload pictures and you will be respected. It is a win-win situation. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 07:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Gizza, That would be block evasion. The new account will get blocked too. S/he will have to wait out the block or request for a unblock. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 07:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Just FYI, related block incident and block log. The last block was an indef block on the name. I feel a unblock request has a good chance of success...since Aryan is a common name. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 07:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I feel a new user name is a good option to pursue. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 08:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry I didn't make myself clear. I was familiar with the incident before and knew it was an indef block based on a username, not on any sort of bad editing. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 08:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok so is somebody gonna unblock me or what? My user name is Aryan818 71.105.82.152 (talk) 23:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

That's not an issue to discuss in *this* talk page. Please make your request at Admin's noticeboard. --Ragib (talk) 00:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok im unblocked! Whoo hoo! Ok ill put up pictures sometime soon hopefully ARYAN818 (talk) 21:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

By the way how many pictures can I put up? Becuase I have alot of really good ones! ARYAN818 (talk) 21:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Upload the pictures to commons: and we can comment about it here. If it's seriously good, have a try at putting it up on WP:DP. 07:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Well which one should I give it to? Both? And what about just putting it up on this article? Or should I do it to all 3?71.105.82.152 (talk) 18:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, ARYAN818 WAS CRAPPING ABOUT HIS ALLEGED PICTURES JUST TO GET UNBLOCKED TO CONTINUE HIS NONSENSE. SO FAR NOTHING HAS BEEN UPLOADED BY HIM. ANYWAY, HERE ARE SOME GREAT IMAGES I FOUND ON OTHER WP PAGES THAT WE CAN USED. I DUNNO WHY I CAN'T EDIT THIS PAGE. PERHAPS TO PREVENT VANDALISM? SO SOMEBODY, PLEASE CHOOSE THE BEST AND INCLUDE THEM:

• Gateway View
  Gateway View
• 
  Shri Narayan Temple, Jaipur
• Umaid Bhawan
  Umaid Bhawan
• 
  Jal Mahal Jaipur
• 
  Palace Gardens
• 
  Meherangarh Fort
• 
  New Delhi Temple
• 
  Exterior

THANKS 60.50.65.243 (talk) 12:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

And people wonder why I sometimes type the way I type....This gets a freaking pass and can telll everyone that I was crapping about my alleged pictures to get unblocked. Well first of all if that were true so what? I should not have been unblocked. And secondly i have tons of pics...I left comments about them and got responses....And if you scroll up i was the last one to comment about this (pictures) and I dont people have replied (at least not here) so what do u want me to do force people to reply? I know i could just upload them. But I dont want to waste my time uploading them if people are just going take them out. And ive been told some things (scroll up) that I didnt understand, so I left a comment about it. 71.105.82.152 (talk) 19:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

No mention of Aryan heritage?

You know ive created a subject headline about this before. It goes away. I mean first of all why does it go away? And secondly why is their not a mention in the history section of India as being, or as possibly being, the land where Aryans might have came from? ARYAN818 (talk) 20:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Already there's a lot of edit warring at Out of India theory! --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 18:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear IP 71.105.82.152 from Virginia, If you are looking to contribute to the land where the Aryans came from, you are in the wrong country, actually even in the wrong continent. You should really be in Ukraine, and, in particular, in Mykolaiv Oblast. If you need directions, one way to get from India to Ukraine would be to follow the route taken by the Roma people, who did indeed originate in India. Good luck in your travels.

Perhaps we should be asking why the Roma people are not mentioned somewhere in the India page. Perhaps they deserve a quarter-sentence mention in the India page culture section for Romani music. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Since you sound sarcastic (how to get from India to the Ukraine) and you sound sooooo sure about your history, let me give you some facts. The Aryan people spoke Sanskrit (language from India). The Aryan people believed in Hinduism or an older form of Hinduism (religion from India). The Aryan people had a Swastik symbol (symbol from ancient India). The Aryan word comes from "Arya" (again India). India was sometimes known as Aryanvarta (if thats the correct way to spell it and pronounce it) and I think that means LAND OF THE ARYANS. There is talk about Aryan heritage in INDIAN religions. There is archeaological evidence of Aryan heritage in India. And last but not least, many people feel that Aryans also lived in Afghanistan and Iran which is the same region as India......so......do you still want to tell me how to get from India to the Ukraine? Or do you need directions from the Ukraine to India? ARYAN818 (talk) 20:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I think, just as your 2006/2007 WP stint, you just missed the entire point. :( --Ragib (talk) 22:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

This is amazing. This is really really amazing. I mean the other user tells me about the Ukrain (I think he/she was trying to tell me that the Aryans came from the Ukrain area) and I respond trying to explain that maybe the Aryans came from India, and Ragib tells me im missing the point?....Did I get that right? The other person tells me about Ukraine, and im missing the point because im telling him/her that the Aryans have links to India? Yes Ragib I am missing the point. What point is it? Please tell me. Do you believe the Aryans came from the area of the Ukraine? ARYAN818 (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Om Shanti.. Shanti..... Shanti............. --gppande «talk» 11:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

There are lots of things that can be mentioned or omitted. When you say Aryan heritage, could you be precise in the findings of what you find omitted? Aryan heritage is a vague term. =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well if you go to the CIA world factbook website it says that roughly 70% (I dont know if I have the right percentage) of India is Indo-Aryan. Many people also believe that the Aryans came from India and/or Iran. In Hinduism there is reference to Aryan and/or Arya and/or maybe other things that have to do with Aryan culture/history. The Swastik sighn (used by Aryans) is used by Indians. India had a nickname of Aryaverta (I could be wrong of the spelling) which I think means land of the Aryans). Sanskrit is a lanugage used by Aryans and from what I understand is the oldest of the INdo-European languages. And people in India do have similar features as people in Afghanistan and Iran (which are also countries that might have Aryan hertiage).....I mean is anything with Aryan mentioned in this article? ARYAN818 (talk) 18:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Vedic Sanskrit, as its own page informs us, was an early descendant of Proto-Indo-Iranian language (spoken in the early Andronovo culture in the southern Urals, north-west of Iran and India). Proto-Indo-Iranian, as its page again informs us, descended from Proto-Indo-European language (PIE), the mother of all Indo-European languages, including Sanskrit. According to the mainstream view—the Kurgan hypothesis (see map there)—the original home of PIE is considered to be the Pontic steppes, which is the general area of southern Ukraine. It was in this area that the horse was tamed, and the resulting mobility, gave that culture unprecedented power to spread. (See, for example, Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee for a readable account.)

The word, "arya," as its page states, is an Indo-Iranian term, which itself is "from Proto-Indo-European *ar-yo-, from the same root as Sanskrit rta, Iranian asha. Root cognates without Indo-Iranian include a large constellation of associated concepts, such as Greek arete "virtue" , aristos "best", and ortho, in orthodoxy; Latin rectus and erectus, and all Romance derivatives, as well as German Recht and English right." Perhaps you should take your discontents to the Kurgan hypothesis page and the Proto-Indo-European language page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Northwest of Iran and India? In those days it was all one land connected. I dont know if it was seperated to say it was NORTHWEST of Iran and India. And Sanskrit is the oldest of the Indo-European languages and I believe Sanskrit came from INDIA?....And what do you mean the mainstream veiw is the Kurgan hypothesis? I know it says that on wikipedia, but is their some poll that says most people believe in that view? Go to India and Iran and tell me if the Kurgan hypothesis is the "Mainstream" veiw. And even if the horst was taimed in the Ukrain that doesnt prove that Aryans came from the Ukrain. And even if they came from the Ukrain, the Ukrian isnt far from the land of India and Iran. So who's to say that's seperate? I mean if im from California, am I still not from America? California is FAR FAR from other parts of America, but it's stilll one connected land of America. But when you say they came from the Ukraine (if thats even true) your making it seem like they "INVADED" India and Iran. I mean lets assume they came from the Ukraine. They spoke Sanskrit. They had a swastika symbol. They believed in Hinduism. So they had more links with India and Iran then they did with the Ukrian. Back then there was no Ukraine culture (correct me if im wrong). And anyway I believe they came from the area of India and Iran, and many other people believe that too. ARYAN818 (talk) 18:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

So if the word Aryan is an Indo-Iranian term which itself is from the Indo-European language and from the same root as Sanskrit....arent u proving my point? That they might have came from India and Iran? ARYAN818 (talk) 18:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Aryan, I think your wiki-practice is taking a backwards route: generally, an edit is made first, and then discussed. Articles don't update themselves :-p The problem with the current method (discuss and discuss some more) is that the only thing to discuss is your comment and not your contribution, which tends to take up time and leads to incivility soo much more quickly (in my experience).

Even if you were to make an edit about the Aryan background without the proper sources - which'd get reverted pretty quickly for good reason (since you need sources) - at least the discussion would steer from the intricacies of this discussion to the basics of contributions.

Bearing that in mind, maybe the revert can be avoided: do you have any sources for the India-Aryan link? Xavexgoem (talk) 21:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well first of all in my wiki experience edits are pointless sometimes because people here just take them out and put back what might have been there. So I dont want to waste my time editing. And discussing it first here might let the "powers that be" to make edits then. Ive made contributions in terms of editing. And sometimes its pointless.....as for sources....well much of that can be found here on wikipedia. 71.105.82.152 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

You don't intend to edit this at all? Are you just here to talk, or are you waiting for someone to edit it for you? :-S Xavexgoem (talk) 20:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(To, user:AR...18): It is the mainstream view, because if you do a "Google Scholar" search on the "Kurgan hypothesis" you get over 450 links; if you do a search on the "Anatolian hypothesis" you get 51 links. In contrast, if you do a Google scholar search on "out of India theory" you get 11 links, of which more than half are critical reviews of the model, whose main proponents today are some dubious scholars, Koenraad Elst, Shrikant Talageri and, Nicholas Kazanas, who no one had heard of until they were given an infirm, doddering, lease on life in Hindu nationalist publications. —This is part of a comment by Fowler&fowler (of 13:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)), which was interrupted by the following:

well first of all why are you just using the out of india theory as an example. I mean when people do searches thats not the only sentence they use. They might type in the word Aryan in google. Or the words Aryan invasion theory. Or "Is the aryan invasion true"....Or where did the Aryans come from.....I mean you just used one example as if thats the ONLY example to use......but anyway.....even if im wrong....and even if your right....so what? Go by facts not stats on google. I mentioned facts about Aryans possibly coming from India. So did you want to answer those facts? Does anyone want to answer them? Anybody?...Hello?...anyone?........and one more thing.......does this article even mention anything about Aryans? WEather they came from India or Ukraine, is their even a mention that India is land of Aryan heritage and or culture? 71.105.82.152 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

In a nutshell, the language spoken either by the Kurgan culture of the Pontic steppes ca 5000 BC, or in a culture farther north in the Urals in 6000 BC, or in Anatolia in 7000 BC, spread to other parts of Eurasia. It spread west and gradually transformed into Ancient Greek, Latin, and eventually to most modern European language. It spread east, and gradually gave birth (by transformation) to the Slavic languages, and the Indo-Iranian languages (including Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit) and eventually to all North Indian languages. Whether there was an actual migration of people from the Black Sea-Caspian Sea-Urals areas to India and Iran, is a separate story; there are some DNA studies that point to a very limited migration, but the languages did spread, as did the Indo-European religion, which after arriving in India (in some transformed fashion) and interacting with the preexisting religions of India, gave birth to Hinduism. The Aryans didn't come from India and Iran; rather the Sanskrit word "arya," or Old Persian "Ariya," or Avestan "Airya," were terms of self-description used by the transformed Indo-European culture when it arrived in Iran and India after its origins in the Black Sea region two or more millenniums earlier. The word had existed in Proto-Indo-European language as "*aryo-." —This is part of a comment by Fowler&fowler (of 13:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)), which was interrupted by the following:

The Aryans spoke Sanskrit. The Aryans used the Swastik sighn. The Aryans believed in Hinduism. Aryan reference is in Hinduism. Aryan archeaology is in India. And your tellling me they came from outside of India and brought all this to INdia?.....71.105.82.152 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I would urge you to read Jared Diamond's The Third Chimpanzee, or Michael Blatter's article in Science, "Search for the Indo-Europeans", 2004, or Gray and Atkinson's article in Nature, Language tree divergence times support the Anatolian theory of Indo-European origin, 2003, or David W. Anthony's book The Horse, The Wheel, and Language, Princeton University Press, 2007. Here is its Chapter 1. Good luck. This will be my last post on this topic here. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok so you obviously dont believe they came from India. Well did they live in India? If they lived in India then why is their no mention (correct me if im wrong cus i could be wrong) but why is their no mention of Aryan heritage in this article? 71.105.82.152 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Points to be discussed are below

Recently, lot of tagging has happened to the page asking it to be cleaned, shortened, peacock terms to be removed and also edit warring. Housekeeping can be done easily to remove most of the objections but shortening and edit warring is difficult to avoid. Also, discussion comes every time to add more stuff. My suggestions are -

• Geography section should be reduced. Geography of India was a formal featured article. User's can seek more info from this section.
• Culture section should be reduced. Sentences like these do not hold much importance in such a main article -

1. Traditional Indian family values are highly respected, although urban families now prefer the nuclear family structure due to the socio-economic constraints imposed by traditional joint family system.
2. Listings like these should be reduced - Some popular festivals are Diwali, Thai Pongal, Holi, Onam, Vijayadashami, Durga Puja, Eid ul-Fitr, Bakr-Id, Christmas, Buddha Jayanti and Vaisakhi.
3. Eight dance forms, many with narrative forms and mythological elements, have been accorded classical dance status by India's National Academy of Music, Dance, and Drama. These are: bharatanatyam of the state of Tamil Nadu, kathak of Uttar Pradesh, kathakali and mohiniyattam of Kerala, kuchipudi of Andhra Pradesh, manipuri of Manipur, odissi of the state of Orissa and the sattriya of Assam.

• Sports need revamp. These sentences can be done with -

1. Cricketers such as Sachin Tendulkar, Virender Sehwag, MS Dhoni, Anil Kumble are some of the currently best players of the nation and are well known across the world for their excellence and leadership qualities in the game. The recent Indian Premier League championship has taken the cricketing world by storm and lifted the popularity of the game to greater levels. Players from all over the world take part in the championship giving their best to the game as well as putting aside every racial and national attachments.
2. Many places really use peacock terms like popular, famous, etc...

• Economy has lot's of lists -

1. Its natural resources include arable land, bauxite, chromite, coal, diamonds, iron ore, limestone, manganese, mica, natural gas, petroleum, and titanium ore
2. Major industries include automobiles, cement, chemicals, consumer electronics, food processing, machinery, mining, petroleum, pharmaceuticals, steel, transportation equipment, and textiles.
3. Textiles, jewellery, engineering goods and software are major export commodities. While crude oil, machineries, fertilizers, and chemicals are major imports.

• Demographics section should get rid of Template:Largest cities of India. Added this point per F&F.
• Length What is the max permissible size limit for this page? It looks like some special size consideration should be given to accommodate all users. Added this point per F&F.

I know I can be WP:BOLD and do it myself. But would like to get consensus since I want to avoid further edit warring/lengthy arguments. Jump-in with your valuable suggestions and if possible take lead to clean-up.--gppande «talk» 12:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The new addition to sports section is going to be removed soon as it is an obvious WP:OR,WP:UNDUE, WP:TONE and WP:WEASEL however I didn't remove it (or rather reverted my revert) as I am not ready for an edit war. A note to all please refrain from warning them as their edits though ... they are nevertheless enthusiastic... - KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 12:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you mean new editors. Sports got messed up with this edit. I had reverted four prior major changes of same user as seen from history and left him an advice. But later noticed 5th which could not be undone due to text conflicts with later edits. --gppande «talk» 13:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

It's headed for an FAR according to whom? The last time two users (user:Sarvagnya and user:Rueben lys) tried to do an FAR, in summer 2007, and it was in worse shape than it is now, the review was dismissed in less than 12 hours. It does need to be trimmed but not in Geography, or for that matter even in culture. True there are some lists in culture (that are there because accommodating the elements of the list was the only solution to the edit war that was plaguing the page at that time). But then, why is "cities by population," which is a glorified graphics list, needed? Who cares if the population of number 19 city is a little more than number 21 city? Even the length is debated by the experienced editors. I know that bureaucrat user:Blnguyen didn't think it was that long, and in fact last year thought that increasing its length might be one way to resolve edit wars. I would defer to more experienced editors, especially to user:Nichalp (the architect of the page's FA drive) and user:Ragib in this regard. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

A goodfaith point, I did not bring the FAR, I only commented on that as I saw appropriate. :)[[::User: rueben_lys| rueben_lys]] ([[::User talk: rueben_lys|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/ rueben_lys|contribs]]) 15:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't get that personal buddy. I am not saying it is on door steps of FAR. It's just an effort to build consensus before touching these sections to avoid post edit wars. Just pointing that recent activity has brought some dirt which can be cleaned with good faith. As I said, I tried mopping earlier but failed to do some more. --gppande «talk» 15:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't being personal. My apologies if it came across that way. The India page is one of the celebrated examples of Wikipedia:Main article fixation; there are many many sub-articles that need work, but they are being ignored. Fine there has been a lot of automated tagging of various India related talk pages recently (with bots), and all credit to that work, but an encyclopedia is ultimately its "textual content." That needs to be written. I don't see that those India-related pages, whose talk pages have been successfully tagged, are being expanded or improved. We should be focusing on those pages. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect I have for you, I see housekeeping activities by bot runners and normal contributor are of equal importance. As you wanted this is 'the' effort to improve "textual content" on 'the' most important page of project. My aim was of reducing the talkpage edits after changes by building consensus first. But looks like edits would be more before changes too :-)) --gppande «talk» 16:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I know this edit will not make many people happy but I did this. --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 16:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we need an FAR right now. Some of the specific issues that User:Gppande has pointed out can (and should) be addressed, however. In terms of length, I think we're fine for now. Once we cut down on some of the overhead text and content outlined above, the article will be ok. Thanks AreJay (talk) 17:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

My fault, the catchy heading took more attention than points below. I changed the heading. BUT, 2 tags got quickly removed from the article after this discussion started. I reverted sports one. Did not add the length tag back as it seems to have consensus. --gppande «talk» 18:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I would strongly advise against having new sections. What is needed is the tightening up of prose, not the introduction of sections. The sections we use are as per the recommendations of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries, and I would strongly advise that we stick to those guidelines to avoid fragmentation both now, and in the near future. I notice that the the culture section seems to be targetted this time. I would say this is the wrong way of approaching a revamp. This is how the India article works: The article is a summary of daughter articles such as "History of India" "Geography of India" and so on. Now, the idea is to get those top level daughter articles featured first. Once those are featured, all text that appears in the lead of those daughter articles, should be placed as sectional content. This is how the encyclopedia should be written: Bottom up, and not top down. So, if the culture section needs a revamp, please do clean up Culture of India first. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The cuisine section needs help...how about some examples? The largest cities template must stay...every big country article has this. this is an encyclopedia...uniformity is a must. Nikkul (talk) 17:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I second user:Nichalp's remarks. Please see my remarks in the section below. I would request all the people here to work on the Culture of India and Cuisine of India pages instead and get them featured. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree with Nichalp. But getting an article to FA status is a herculean task. Bad creeps into India page without such mammoth effort. It's on us to keep it clean. This was just an effort to do the same. But looks like even that's not possible as nobody ever discussed the real points/lists/templates listed above to be kept or removed. Consider this discussion closed with no action. --gppande «talk» 23:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. Cleanups to tighten prose are always welcomed here. But for radical revamps, a more solid approach is needed. Getting an article to FA status is not herculean, but rather one that requires solid dedication by those nominating it. I say this because it is very easy for a random person to point out omissions in text without a holistic approach to article writing. Personally, I think an FA should be on every wikipedian's CV. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Culture section

As I've said earlier, the culture section is too huge including every possible thing which one might think it to be relating to 'culture'. I think it would be better to have a seperate section abt Film and Music bcoz that itself can speak volumes. Giving info abt different film industries in the country and also which could include famous film stars who have contributed to this field who have made their mark globally. Famous Music directors and their contributions can be added too. Guys you thoughts on this....

Secondly, why dont we have a section on Indian cuisine. This is one of the thoughts that came up on my mind. Since we have varied tastes and cuisines across our country, north is very distinct frm the south, as east is frm the west. Having a Cuisine section may truly spice up the article. What do you think? Guys your thoughts on this too... Im thinking of probably working on these two....

Yeah we could definetely discuss. Let's make the India article much more informative and interesting. Cephas 405 (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

As user:Nichalp stated above, please work on the Culture of India page first and try to get it featured. That article needs a lot of work. It has a section, Cuisine of India that too needs a lot of work. In fact, there is a page Cuisine of India that itself needs a great deal of work. It begins with: "Though a significant portion of Indian food is vegetarian, many traditional Indian dishes also include chicken, goat, lamb, fish, and other meats." Already, there are problems. For example, if a significant portion is vegetarian why are we spending most of the sentence talking about chicken, goat, ...? And what other meats are these? The North Indian section has sentences like:

"North Indian cooking features the use of the "tawa" (griddle) for baking flat breads like roti and paratha, and "tandoor" (a large and cylindrical coal-fired oven) for baking breads such as naan, and kulcha; main courses like tandoori chicken also cook in the tandoor. Other breads like puri and bhatoora, which are deep fried in oil, are also common. Goat and lamb meats are favored ingredients of many northern Indian recipes."

This too has inaccuracies: A. Tawa is not used for baking and roti and paratha are not baked. B. Tandoor is hardly a major feature of North Indian cooking; in fact tandoori chicken was unheard of in the Delhi area until, some refugees from Peshawar opened the Moti Mahal restaurant in Darya Ganj in 1948. C) Where exactly is lamb eaten in India? In Kashmir and some hilly areas? There aren't too many sheep to be found in the vast northern plains? D) Should restaurant food, which is hardly ever cooked in family kitchens, be given so much prominence in a cuisine? I think all this and a lot more needs to be clarified on those pages. You have your work cut out. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

There should be Two section for Foreign relations and military

There should be Two section for Foreign relations and military. Even articles like Nigeria have two section when Nigeria hardly has an army as big as India's. And whats so great about a SU 30 why is it on the page. The image shows a plane developed by India and Russia. But everyone knows that now India is on USA's side and if war breaks out we would blindly support USA. Even if one wants to show India's friendship with Russia why not an image of the BrahMos nuclear missile. Another thing pl. increase the size of this page it is smaller than the german version of India, and as long as English versions of small countries like Suriname, Columbia, Kenya etc.Enthusiast10talk 03:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI...just look at the Nuclear deal with the US...we are faaar from even considering the US as an ally! And the pic is perfectly relevant. i do support having 2 sections. Nikkul (talk) 17:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Largest city

I think the term "largest city" in the infobox is ambigious. It doesnt tell a general reader "large" in what sense..by area, by population ? More appropriate would be largest_settlement = Mumbai Metropolitan Region. Ninadhardikar (talk) 02:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree. There is a similar discussion going on about calling India the "largest democracy." The words large and big are by their nature ambiguous so it is better to use a more specific word. The less vague the article is, the better. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 07:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

There are two tags in the template : "largest_city" and "largest_settlement". If the area of a city is considered to be the administrative area of its council, it serves no purpose to list which is the largest city by area in that country. I think these tags should be combined to form "Most populous metropolitan region" / "Biggest urban area/agglomeration" or something of that sort. Ninadhardikar (talk) 10:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I would favor using "most populous" instead of "large" or "largest". I don't think we should use the word "settlement" because it's ambiguous. Does "settlement" refer to a city (an entity within the jurisdiction of a municipal corporation) or an urban agglomeration (city and it's satellites towns and suburbs)? Thanks AreJay (talk) 23:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

History

I am thinking that we should be writing that the history section should be expanded. Futhermore, there is not a mention of how we were actually being many many countries before, Awadh, Bengal, Hyderabad, and so on. The Britishers helped to unite us and making us a India. Should we not be giving them some credit for helping us to be being a country today?

Thanking you, A. Kumar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.61.154.148 (talk) 17:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

let me explain why i edited this article.

When you go to an article like China on wikiepdia right away it talks about how China is one of the oldest countries in the world, and how it invented paper and basically it represents China nicely. When you go to INdias page, its not AS GOOD. Im not saying this is a bad article. But the wording and structure could be a bit better. In other words the article can start of by saying how India is home to one of the oldest civilazations in the world (Indus Valley) just like the article on China does. This article can also mention how Yoga comes from India a little sooner. And the fact that it mentions how India is home to 4 religions (at least) can also be mentioned a bit sooner. Does anyone have a problem if i slightly improve this article? All im asking is if its ok if i word things better and try to represent India a little better, just like the article on China reprsents China. Is that ok everyone? Check out my edits, and before u erase them, try thinking about it. And if u do erase them tell me what was so bad with my edits? ARYAN818 (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, the first sentence has no logical flow. It starts off taking about IVC and then talks about India's area and size. Secondly, statements like "India is also where yoga is said to have been first taught. Meditation is also said to have been first taught in India" aren't encyclopedic. Said to have been first taught by who? Thirdly, please obtain consensus and then make your edits, instead of making unilateral edits and then trying to explain them. Thanks AreJay (talk) 19:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok doesnt yoga come from INdia? If u dont like the wording u can change it, but my point is to just REPRESENT India a little better by mentioning things earlier. I mean when u go to other countries articles they talk abou thow its old and has this and has that, and here on India its like "INDIA IS BORDERED BY THIS COUNTRY" and it doesnt do a good job representing India.....and by the way.....when u say it has no flow, i mean did it have a flow before? All I did was add a few extra words and re-arrange paragraphs. So if u think it doesnt have a flow now, then did u say the same thing before? ARYAN818 (talk) 19:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with AreJay. This large-scale change of the intro needs a consensus first, so I reverted to the status quo for the time being. --Ragib (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok was it reallllly neccessariy to change back EVERYTHING? I mean its one thing if u didnt like SOME of the edits i made. But u changed back EVERYTHING? Surley there must have been something u like. Let me give u an example. Remember the sentence where it says India is home to vast empires? Well I added the words Vast empires, temples, and palaces. Now was that so wrong? Is that not true?.......let me give u another example.....how come on Chinas article its ok if that article starts off by saying how China is home to an old civilazation, and yet when i put the same exact thing (that India is home to an old civilazation, that gets eraased? See this is what im talking about. This is why Wikipedia members like u are sooo annoying to me. Its like u pick and choose what u want , and if u dont like it, u erase EVERYTHING. I mean its ok for China to have the words "HISTORICALLY ANCIENCT CULTURE" but oooo nooooo if India has those words they get edited out? I mean u took out everything that i put down. EVERYTHIGN.. U didnt even keep one word......let me give u another example....u know the part about how India is home to 4 major religions? Well i moved that up higher becuase that is something of big significance. And u guys didnt like that either? What was wrong with having it higher?.....I mean if this was China or some other country on wikipedia, those people would want that put higher. But when it comes to India was should not have that higher? I mean why is it ok for other people to represent their country in a factual encylopedia sort of way, but we cant do the same for India? I mean India has so much to represent and much of it is so low in the article or not mentioned at all? ARYAN818 (talk) 20:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok I made some minor changes. I didnt really erase too much. I kept basically most of what you people already had. And I just added a few things. Now is this ok? ARYAN818 (talk) 20:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Aryan, please review WP:RS and WP:CITE. All you've provided so far to "support" your edits is rhetoric. If you'd like to include content in the article, please discuss, build consensus, supply valid and reliable sources to back up your claims and then move forward as needed. Don't make changes and then attempt to explain your edits – unfortunately, that's just not how things work. India is a featured article, while China isn't. What goes into that article has no bearing on what happens on this or any other featured article. Thanks AreJay (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow this is amazing! ONe guy on wikipedia told me to make edits and then discuss. Another guy is telling me to discuss and then make edits? Wow what is up with u people?.....god some of u people are really annoying. I mean for example Jay is telling me supply valid reliable sources. Man I feel like cussing and breaking a windo cus of people like Jay. HELLLOOO JAYYYYY did u actually understand my edit? For example this article mentions how the India is home to the worlds largest film industry right? Well all I did was move that part up and re worded it as the worlds largest movie industry. And that was taken off? And now your telling me to provie reliable sources? I just used the same thing that was used before i edited it (worlds largest film industry, to worlds largest movie industry, and i moved that part up lol)........and when I talked about China I was using that as an example. The point I was making is, their are lots of articles on wikipedia that really do a good job of representing certain things while other articles dont. NOw you say China is not a featured article while India is? So what? I mean when people get info from wikipedia, some of them just get the info and dont care what article is featured and what article is not featured. Some might care. And some might not. The point is a country like India doesnt get represented as well as a country like China might (at least in some way(s) and yet that's ok becuase India is FEATURED and China isnt?.......and hey.....what was wrong with saying Yoga came from India? Isnt that true?......And if your answer is "well thats already mentioned in a different section, well, why not mention it a little bit higher?.......but hey.....at least some stuff was not taken out. 71.105.82.152 (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

How about having a picture section?

Im assuming there is a limit of how many pictures can be put here, so I was wondering if there could be a section where we could put more pictures for this article? ARYAN818 (talk) 20:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)