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Rincón Chileno ... that Rincón Chileno (pictured) was nicknamed the "second Chilean consulate" by the Chilean immigrant community in Los Angeles? ... that before selling chicken and pies, 5-foot-9-inch (1.75 m) Eddie Sheldrake broke UCLA's single-game scoring record in basketball? ... that a book known as the "Polish Pinocchio" was published a hundred years ago? ... that Sun Jianai co-founded one of China's first national universities in 1898? ... that in its 1962 election campaign, the Socialist Party of India demanded that twice-yearly inter-caste dining be made a mandatory criterion for government employment? ... that the 2000 edition of the Eurovision Song Contest was the first to be broadcast live over the internet? ... that the cast of The Perfect Couple created a WhatsApp group to avoid filming a dance sequence to the theme song? ... that Negussie Roba was an Olympic sprinter who later became a top marathon coach? ... that smokestacks at a former rayon mill were stabilized by dropping bricks into them?

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Articles created/expanded on November 24

Anthony Buttimer

• ... that the German sportswear manufacturer Jako threatened to sue the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) when its referee Anthony Buttimer refused to allow Sligo Rovers wear their kit in an FAI League of Ireland match?
  (new self-nominated article) --➨Candlewicke  ^{:) Sign/Talk} 03:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Daily Express (Dublin)

• ... that Karl Marx called the Daily Express of Dublin "the Government organ" and accused it of "false rumours of murders committed, armed men marauding, and midnight meetings"? - new article self-nominated Strawless (talk) 02:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

List of AFC Champions

File:Jack Kemp.jpg

• ... that former United States Congressman, HUD Secretary and Vice-Presidential nominee Jack Kemp (pictured) won two American Football League Championships as the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills in 1964 and 1965? -- new article self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 01:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Hook more than 200 characters, and qualifying article needs to be in bold.Cbl62 (talk) 03:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Bolded it. But the hook is still long. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The article by Rlendog is quite good, but one other issue is that the hook is more focused on being a mini-bio of Jack Kemp than it is with the topic of the featured article -- AFC champions. How about the following alternatives.

• alt 1 ... that Don Shula was the head coach for five AFL or AFC championship teams, more than any other head coach? Cbl62 (talk) 03:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

or

• alt 2 ... that the Buffalo Bills, Denver Broncos, Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots are tied for the most AFL or AFC championships with six each? Cbl62 (talk) 03:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

or

• alt 3 ... that 1996 U.S. Vice-Presidential nominee Jack Kemp (pictured) won two American Football League Championships as the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills in 1964 and 1965? Cbl62 (talk) 04:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Atlantic Mutual Insurance Company

• ... that in the 1850s, the Atlantic Mutual Insurance Company was the largest marine and general insurance firm in North America? - new article (selfnom) Tim1965 (talk) 00:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Date, length verified, good hook, off-line reference accepted per WP:AGF. Nsk92 (talk) 02:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Plymouth Cathedral

Front and side view of the Plymouth Cathedral

• ... that Plymouth Cathedral experienced subsidence after an English Naval Officer fired new Turkish man-of-war guns in Plymouth Sound? -- new article self-nom by Tis the season to be jolly (talk) 01:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 23

Cat gap

File:Proailurus.jpg

• ...that the Cat gap is a period in the fossil record of approximately 25 to 17 million years ago in which there are few cats or cat-like species.
  • I wrote this because we've had INSUFFECIENT KATZ on the main page lately. I'm trying to fix this severe pussy defeciency. Ceiling Cat (talk) 04:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Capillaria plica

• ... that the nematode Capillaria plica is a parasite often found infesting in the urinary bladder of dogs, cats and other mammals? -- new article by Mgrien (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

William Beanes

• ... that John Stuart Skinner with Francis Scott Key were on a mercy mission to get back Dr. William Beanes from British hands, when Key was inspired (painting) to write "The Star Spangled Banner?" (see hook for Nov 21 - double hook) New articles, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• Should be either "Skinner with Key was" or "Skinner and Key were". Same for #John Stuart Skinner (twice). Art LaPella (talk) 01:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT …that William Beanes was the incidental cause for the reason why Francis Scott Key wrote the poem that led to the American national anthem? New article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Aaron Edlin

• ... that Aaron Edlin, an expert in law and economics, co-founded the Berkeley Electronic Press? --Rosiestep (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Morten Wetland

• ... that Norwegian jurist, diplomat and politician Morten Wetland encountered controversy as ambassador to both Germany (1998–2003) and the United Nations (2008–present)? -- self-nom by expander Punkmorten (talk) 00:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Tessa Ludwick

• ... that after being adopted from South Korea by a Florida, United States couple, actor Tessa Ludwick held a lead role in the Nick Jr. children television show Allegra's Window? - Expanded 5X and nominated by -- Suntag ☼ 21:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

John B. Grayson

• ... that General James B. Grayson died three months after he joined the Confederacy of pneumonia and tuberculosis, without fighting a single battle? Self-nom Duke R. Oliver I ^{His Duchy} 21:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Wales-England border

• ... that the border between Wales and England (picture shows the River Dee) originally followed Offa's Dyke in the 8th century, and was only finally determined in 1974? Self-nom, Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Washington State Route 100

• ... that Washington State Route 100 ends at itself and is signed as a "loop"? Self nom, Expanded stub. ~~ ComputerGuy 19:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Expansion not enough. Went from 667 chars to 2346 chars; would need to be about 1000 characters longer to be 5x. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Quacker (sound)

• ... that Soviet submarines patrolling in the North Atlantic in the 1970s reported mysterious frog-like sounds, dubbed "quackers", which have been classified as Unidentified Submerged Objects? new article by Khathi (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs)
  • Russian refs accepted in good faith, length and history verified. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 20:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Pied Tamarin

• ... that the Pied Tamarin is the most threatened primate of the Amazon basin because its distribution is largely restricted to forest fragments within and to areas just north and north-east of the city of Manaus? Self-nom. Expansion of stub - Killidude (talk) 19:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Jack Heslop-Harrison

• ... that when Jack Heslop-Harrison resigned as director of the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew in 1976 he was the first director to do so in the 154 years of its existence? -- Thoroughly expanded article, easily past the five-fold limit; the previous one was nothing, though. It takes a special kind of person to write a one-line article with a 20-page biography under "external links". Ironholds (talk) 17:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Is someone's autobiography a reliable source? Are there any better independent sources out there? – How do you turn this on (talk) 23:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It is the best I can find; only the first four pages or so are autobiographical (he died before he could write the rest). I've deliberately stripped out all the opinion-based dross and only included facts he'd have no reason to exaggerate (birth, year of graduation, place of graduation, so on). Ironholds (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Maidenhead Bridge

• ... that Maidenhead Bridge (pictured) crossing the River Thames in Maidenhead, Berkshire was first built in 1280 but the present structure was opened in 1777 and cost £19,000 (equivalent to £3.1 million today)? Self-nom. Expansion of stub - main body text (excluding section headers etc) expanded from 117 words/545 characters to 635 words/3019 characters. ~~ Nancy ^talk 16:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

  (ALT) ... that in 1903 a toll of 10 pennies (equivalent to £14.00 today) was levied to take a flock of twenty sheep across Maidenhead Bridge (pictured)? Nancy ^talk 17:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

  Both hooks verified, expansion and length verified, offline ref AGF. \ / (⁂) 23:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

James M. Goggin

• ... that before serving in the Confederate States Army during the American Civil War, James M. Goggin worked as a cotton broker? new article by User:Kresock, nominated by AdjustShift (talk) 16:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Byron Brown

• ... that Byron Brown was the first Black Buffalo Mayor although six African-Americans had won the Democratic Mayoral nomination since the 1960s and no Republicans had been elected Mayor in this time.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

  (ALT) ... that in the Buffalo Mayoral election, Byron Brown outdrew his opponents fund raising by a factor of five to one? \ / (⁂) 12:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

  Might want to put the prep. phrase last...as in "... that Byron Brown outdrew his opponents fund raising by a factor of five to one in the Buffalo Mayoral election?" Imperat§ r^(Talk) 14:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

  The alt hook is not so interesting. The first hooks is a really unusual fact.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but the first hook is too long and confusing. I had to stare at it for a while just to wrap my mind around what it was trying to say. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 17:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Marxist Left in Slovakia and the Transcarpathian Ukraine

• ... that the 1921 founding congress of the Marxist Left in Slovakia and the Transcarpathian Ukraine endorsed all of the 21 conditions of the Communist International, except the one stipulation that the name 'Communist Party' be used? (self-nom) --Soman (talk) 07:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is 230 characters; should be shortened. —97198 (talk) 08:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

New try: ... that the 1921 congress of the Marxist Left in Slovakia and the Transcarpathian Ukraine endorsed all 21 conditions of Comintern, except the one demanding use of the name 'Communist Party'? --Soman (talk) 17:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

MV Empire Abercorn

• ... that when the engine of MV Rakaia suffered the failure of a piston rod, sails were jury rigged to assist her passage to Liverpool? New article created on 22 Nov and self-nom by Mjroots (talk)

Rocket Science (film)

• ... that Jeffrey Blitz wrote Rocket Science based on his own adolescence despite claiming to be "allergic" to autobiographical films? (self-nom; more-than-fivefold expansion) —97198 (talk) 06:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

SS Sanct Svithun

• ... that the 1943 sinking by Allied aircraft of the Hurtigruten passenger ship SS Sanct Svithun (pictured) led to protests by the Norwegian resistance movement? -- New article and self-nom by Manxruler (talk) 05:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date verified. Offline and Norwegian language hooks accepted in good faith. Chamal ^talk 06:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

War of the Castilian Succession

• ... that the Order of Calatrava supported Isabella (pictured) during the War of the Castilian Succession even though its Grand Master sided with Isabella's opponent, Juana? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by CarlosPatiño (talk) 04:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Pulicat Lake

• ... that Pulicat Lake, a 450 km² (174 sq mi) bird sanctuary, adjoins the Satish Dhawan Space Centre, launch site of India's successful first lunar space mission, the Chandrayaan-1?
  expanded article co-nominated by Nvvchar (Talk) & Marcus (talk) 04:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

American Brass Company

• ... that in 1909, the American Brass Company manufactured two-thirds of all the brass in the United States, consumed one-third of all copper produced in the U.S., and was the largest fabricator of nonferrous metal in the world? - new article (selfnom) Tim1965 (talk) 01:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is too long at 225 characters. —97198 (talk) 11:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• • revised hook (now 200 characters long): ... that in 1909, the American Brass Company manufactured two-thirds of all brass and consumed one-third of all copper produced in the U.S., and was the largest fabricator of nonferrous metals in the world? - Tim1965 (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Caltrain stations

• ... that seven Caltrain stations have been listed on the National Register of Historic Places? -- new article, self nom by —Chris! _ct 02:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 22

Woodland Opera House

• ...that the Woodland Opera House was the first opera house to serve the Sacramento Valley? -- new article, self nomination by Killiondude (talk) 03:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Diamphidia

Diamphidia nigroornata, Larve

• ... that the larvae (example pictured) and pupae of African beetles in the genus Diamphidia are used by Bushmen as arrow poisons? -- new article by Rotational (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 23:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Vatalanib

• ... that Vatalanib, an anti-cancer drug currently in clinical trials, inhibits the growth of new blood vessels by selectively blocking receptors of vascular endothelial growth factors? -- new article by Fvasconcellos (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 23:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Mermithidae

• ... that a parasitic worm of the family Mermithidae has been found in a spider preserved in Baltic amber for 40 million years? -- new article by User:Shyamal; Nom by Colchicum (talk) 20:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that at least 25 species of Mermithidae worms parasitize mosquito larvae, which can make them suitable for biological control of the insects? -- new article by User:Shyamal; Nom by Colchicum (talk) 20:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The Sea of Ice

• ... that Friedrich's 1824 shipwreck painting The Sea of Ice (pictured) was seen as too radical in composition, and went unsold until after the artist's death in 1840? new article by Lithoderm (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, history, refs verified. Moving from Nov 23. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 20:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Walter Schmidt (SS officer)

• ... that German Hauptsturmführer Walter Schmidt was awarded the oak leaves to the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross for leading his battalion out of Cherkasy? new article by User: Jim Sweeney; Nom by \ / (⁂) 07:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The subject of the article has questionable notability in terms of WP:BIO, a possible AfD candidate. Of the two footnotes one does not mention him and the other is a short entry from some sort of SS personell list. All of the information in the article comes from this personell list entry. Nsk92 (talk) 12:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Musical plagiarism

• ... that according to the U.S. copyright law, musicians who accuse others of plagiarising their work must prove "access" and "similarity", in the absence of a confession? - created by Spencerk (talk · contribs), nom by BorgQueen (talk) 05:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Hey, it's plagiarism, my favorite topic! Anyway, this article is almost ready for DYK, just needs some minor cleanup (ref formatting and removing some or/commentary) and then it can be verified. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
    • refs are cleaned up now, but the article currently has 2 cleanup tags; globalize (from Nrswanson, I think), and or (from me). —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 16:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Irwin Gunsalus

• ... that Irwin Gunsalus discovered lipoic acid, an active form of vitamin B6, which has been proposed as a dietary supplement to prevent or delay the onset of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Podaxis

• ... that species of the mushroom genus Podaxis are used as face paint in Australia, and to help heal wounds in Mali? -- new article self-nom by Sasata (talk) 00:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that fungi in the genus Podaxis are often associated with termite mounds? New article, Nom by Imperat§ r^(Talk) 00:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

(Alt)... that the fungi Podaxis is often used for face paint by the Australian Aborigines? Imperat§ r^(Talk) 00:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Kumusi River

Kumusi River from overhead

• ... that the rebuilding of the Kumusi Bridge, destroyed by the flooding of the Kumusi River (pictured) during Cyclone Guba, will cost upwards of K70 million? new article self-nom -- \ / (⁂) 23:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

  (ALT1) ... that Japanese Major General Tomitarō Horii drowned in the Kumusi River (pictured) during the Kokoda Track campaign? \ / (⁂) 23:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood

• ... that Howard Pyle's 1883 children's novel The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood had a vast influence on portrayals of Robin Hood through the 20th century? --Expanded from redirect, self-nom by Cúchullain ^t/c 22:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Power and the Glory

• ... that Phil Ochs described "Power and the Glory" as "the greatest song I'll ever write"? -- new article self-nom by — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 21:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Indiana Pacers head coaches

• ... that the Indiana Pacers' first head coach was Larry Staverman, who coached the Pacers for two seasons? new article self-nom -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 19:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Rex Willis

• ... that when Wales beat Scotland in the 1952 Five Nations Championship, Rex Willis played a large proportion of the match with a broken jaw bone? -- New article created by User:FruitMonkey. - selfnom FruitMonkey (talk) 18:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Date and length of the article verified, online references verified, good hook. Nsk92 (talk) 13:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Survivor: Borneo

• ... that in 2000, the season finale of new television series, Survivor: Borneo, had higher ratings than the World Series, N.B.A. finals, N.C.A.A. men's basketball finals, and Grammy Awards of that year? Expanded 5-fold by myself. self nom. iMatthew 16:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

  I'd just like to comment on the fivefold expansion. Five days ago on November 17, this article had 2240 bytes of prose. Right now, it has 12000 bytes of prose, so it's fine with respect to that. Gary King (talk) 19:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Newman Flower

• ... that publisher Newman Flower wrote several biographies about important composers but was later criticised for sanitising aspects of his subjects' personal lives? -- New article created by User:Tim riley. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Allendale Square

• ... that when it was completed in 1976, the 32-storey Allendale Square in Perth, Western Australia, was one of the largest fully aluminium-clad skyscrapers in the world? -- new article, self-nom by Mark 13:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Abel Jorge Pereira da Silva

• ... that Portuguese footballer Abel Jorge Pereira da Silva scored only four goals in a career of 13 years, and did not score a goal in 124 games between 1992 and 2001? -- new article self nom by LGF1992UK
  • 252 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 04:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Fixed. Hook is now 200 characters. LGF1992UK (talk) 20:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Plus 3 characters (I changed 4 to four according to MOS:NUM#Numbers as figures or words). Art LaPella (talk) 03:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Definitely less than 200 characters now. LGF1992UK (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • The article is entirely unsourced. The sole reference was a blog, and blogs are not allowed as references. Punkmorten (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Article now has 3 (4 counting an external link source) citations to reliable sources within Portuguese football verifying facts and figures. LGF1992UK (talk) 14:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles G. Boyd

• ... that General Charles G. Boyd, United States Air Force, is the only Vietnam War prisoner of war to reach the 4-star rank? — created 9 January 2008 by User:Crosbiesmith; expanded by User:ERcheck on 22 November 2008 — self-nom for expanded article. — ERcheck (talk) 15:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Alternative1: ... that General Charles G. Boyd, United States Air Force, is the only Vietnam War prisoner of war to later reach the 4-star rank? — ERcheck (talk) 16:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
• Alternative2: ... that U.S. Air Force General Charles G. Boyd is the only Vietnam War prisoner of war to reach the 4-star rank? — ERcheck (talk) 16:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• Expansion note: 970 characters on 22:15, 6 September 2008 (last edit before 22 Nov), expanded on 22 November 2008, with 6414 characters on 15:10, 22 November 2008. — ERcheck (talk) 15:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Did he reach 4-star while a PoW? or after release? This hook sounds a bit ambiguous. Suggest "former Vietnam War prisoner of war". --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Reached it after - which is clear in the article, both in the introduction and service history and ranks. However, to my knowledge, with any interpretation, I think it is true... to my knowledge, no 4-stars held POW and none advanced to 4-star while captive. I've added an alternative hook, though I think both are valid. — ERcheck (talk) 16:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

40 foot telescope

• ... that William Herschel's 40 foot telescope (pictured), constructed between 1785 and 1789, was the largest telescope in the world for 50 years and was probably used to discover Enceladus and Mimas, the sixth and seventh moons of Saturn? Self-nom, new article. Please let me know if there are any problems with the nomination on my talk page as I'm not watching this page. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is too long at 234 characters. (Will drop a note on user talk page.) —97198 (talk) 04:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• Alt hook: ... that William Herschel's 40 foot telescope (pictured) was the largest telescope in the world for 50 years and was probably used to discover the sixth and seventh moons of Saturn? (Btw, shouldn't it be 40-foot telescope?) --BorgQueen (talk) 07:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks, 97198 and BorgQueen. The suggested alt hook is fine with me. I'm not 100% sure what the article should be called - "40 foot telescope" is more a descriptive name than anything, but seems to be the standard. I'm unsure whether it should have a dash between "40" and "foot"; have created a redirect with the dash in for now. Mike Peel (talk) 08:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

100 McAllister Street

100 McAllister Street, San Francisco CA

• ... that the tower located at 100 McAllister St (pictured) in San Francisco used to be a Methodist church, a hotel and an IRS office building before it was refurbished for residential use by students at UC Hastings? -- new article by Binksternet (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 01:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

140 St Georges Terrace

140 St Georges Terrace, Perth, Western Australia

• ... that the 30-storey skyscraper (pictured) at the corner of St Georges Terrace and William Street in Perth was the tallest building in the Western Australian city when it was completed in 1975? -- new article by Mark (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 02:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

• (a double hook)... that the 30-storey skyscraper (pictured) at the corner of St Georges Terrace and William St in Perth was briefly the tallest building in the Australian city till Allendale Square was built the following year? -- 2 new articles by Mark (talk · contribs), double-nom. by PFHLai (talk) 02:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 21

Áed Ua Crimthainn

• ... that a letter from the Bishop of Kildare to his friend Áed Ua Crimthainn has been called the oldest surviving personal letter written in Ireland? -- new article by User:Strawless; Nom by Colchicum (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• This was already nominated and is in the queue for the front page. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Marc Feldmann

• ... that Marc Feldmann and Ravinder N. Maini were awarded the 2000 Crafoord Prize for identification of TNF blockade as an effective therapeutic principle in rheumatoid arthritis? AdjustShift (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length and creation date verified. It might be my own browser, but your ref for the hook fact doesn't seem to work. Could you maybe replace the URL with something that's more permenant than a search result (which it looks like)? Thanks, Jamie^☆S93 20:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Lady Constance Lytton

• ... that Lady Constance Lytton used a piece of broken enamel from a hairpin to carve the letter "V" into the flesh of her breast: "V" for Votes for Women? Self-nominated. Autodidactyl (talk) 09:04, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• or ... that Lady Constance Lytton, the militant suffragette, posed as Jane Warton, a seamstress, to avoid getting special treatment in prison? Autodidactyl (talk) 09:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Pls note that DYK hooks should be in the form of a question. --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed the period after "breast" to a colon, which I believe satisfies the objection above. Art LaPella (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it's awkward even with the colon, though. How about: ... that suffragist Lady Constance Lytton carved the letter "V" (for "Votes for Women") into her breast using a piece of broken enamel from a hairpin? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Politizer's version gets my vote. Autodidactyl (talk) 18:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that suffragist Lady Constance Lytton carved the letter "V" (for "Votes for Women") into her breast using a piece of broken enamel from a hairpin?

John Stuart Skinner

• ... that John Stuart Skinner was a prisoner-of-war agent with Francis Scott Key on a mercy mission to get back a particular prisoner from the British, when Key was inspired (painting) to write a work that became "The Star Spangled Banner?" new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is 235 characters. \ / (⁂) 06:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Interesting that with the words "new article self nominated by Doug Coldwell" my Microsoft Word program counts it as 235 and without those words it says the hook by itself is 199.

Took out over fifty characters - the ALT should be within limits now. How many do you count now? "The Star Spangled Banner?" counts as 24.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I count 235 for the original version ("new article ... " doesn't count but spaces between words do count), and 176 for the ALT. Art LaPella (talk) 03:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that John Stuart Skinner with Francis Scott Key were on a mercy mission to get back a particular prisoner, when Key was inspired (painting) to write "The Star Spangled Banner?" new article, self nominated by –-Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
• ALT 2 (double hook)... that John Stuart Skinner with Francis Scott Key were on a mercy mission to get back Dr. William Beanes from British hands, when Key was inspired (painting) to write "The Star Spangled Banner?" (see ALT hook for Nov 23) New articles, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

cohort model

• ... that the cohort model in psycholinguistics attempts to describe the retrieval of words from the mental lexicon in terms of how speech stimulates neurons? (new article by self. Will continue to think of some more interesting but accessible hooks.) —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Two alts:
    • ALT1: ... that early studies of the cohort model in psycholinguistics found that people can mimic speech before they have finished hearing it? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 18:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
    • ALT2: ... that early studies of the cohort model in psycholinguistics found that people can repeat speech faster than it is presented to them? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 18:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The Investigators (American TV series)

• ... that the adventure-drama The Investigators, which aired for 13 weeks on CBS in 1961, was James Franciscus's second of five attempts at series television?--self-nom, new TV article Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Sources are all IMDB or SPS. No good. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

OR

• ... that the drama series The Investigators aired for only 13 weeks on CBS in 1961 but featured such well-known guest stars as Lee Marvin, Ida Lupino, Jane Wyman, Rhonda Fleming, and Mickey Rooney?--self-nom, new TV article Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• • Per above. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Joe Rollins

• ... that the Houston attorney Joe Rollins in 1969 successfully defended the city in a suit regarding cost overruns and construction delays at Bush Intercontinental Airport?--self-nom, new article Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

John Lanzendorf

• ... that Chicago hairstylist John Lanzendorf owned one of the world's largest collections of dinosaur-themed artwork? (self-nom) The first ref is not available for free online, but says this: "Take John Lanzendorf, a Chicago hairstylist, who began buying dinosaurs (plastic ones) when he was 9 years old. Now, 40 years later, after much research, many lectures and meetings and much traveling, his is among the largest collections of dinosaur fine art in the world, says Donald Glut, an expert on dinosaurs and author of more than 25 books on the subject." Zagalejo^^^ 00:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Article is of questionable notability. I'm not AfDing it (rather, I just started a lame thread on the talk page), but the notability issue is enough that I don't think it can go on the front page yet. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 08:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Responded there. Zagalejo^^^ 08:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

John C. Fleming

• ... that John C. Fleming, a Louisiana physician and congressional candidate, has authored Preventing Addiction, which helps parents steer their children away from chemical dependency?--self-nom, new article Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I will not consider this article until the refs are properly formatted. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 08:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 20

Per-Ingvar Brånemark

• ... that Swedish scientist Per-Ingvar Brånemark’s discovery of osseointegration led to the development of titanium dental implants? -- new article by DRosenbach (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 01:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Lucky Dragons

• ... that Lucky Dragons have not only released 19 albums, but also run an art society called Sumi Ink Club and an internet community called Glaciers of Nice? -- new article self-nom by Seraphim♥.

• This was a previously deleted article, which I undeleted on the 20th (logs can verify this), so technically it's a new article. Either way, it has still been expanded over five-fold from the original prose (403 characters to 3403). Seraphim♥ 18:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Jardwadjali

• ... that Jardwadjali men made up many of the members of the Australian Aboriginal cricket team which toured England in 1868? ~ New article by Tirin; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 10:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC).

"made up many of the members"? They told tall tales about amazing teammates after coming back from the tour? --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Mmmmm. I was trying to avoid structuring the sentence the other way round, because "tribe" or "clan" or "people" don't really sound right, but this is the alternative:

• ... that many of the members of the Australian Aboriginal cricket team which toured England in 1868 were Jardwadjali men? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 00:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Rosetta Reitz

• ... that Rosetta Reitz, whose Rosetta Records focused on the women of jazz, was behind the 1980 Newport Jazz Festival tribute called "Blues is a Woman", featuring Adelaide Hall and Big Mama Thornton? -- five-fold expansion, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  • OR in a completely different approach (alt hook)*... that Rosetta Reitz wrote the 1977 book Menopause: A Positive Approach, one of the first to focus on menopause from the perspective of women, not doctors? -- five-fold expansion, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Quanta Computer, Inc. v. LG Electronics, Inc.

• ... that Quanta Computer, Inc. v. LG Electronics, Inc. is a 2008 U.S. Supreme Court decision in which the Court reaffirmed the validity of the patent exhaustion doctrine? - created by PraeceptorIP (talk · contribs), nom by BorgQueen (talk) 15:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:... that the validity of the patent exhaustion doctrine was reaffirmed in the 2008 U.S. Supreme Court decision Quanta Computer, Inc. v. LG Electronics, Inc.? --74.14.18.119 (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

As usual, 74's suggestion sounds better. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Dunderberg Mountain

• ... that the Dunderberg Spiral Railway would have pulled train cars to the top of Dunderberg Mountain and returned by coasting back down the 12-mile-long track at speeds approaching 50 miles per hour? -- new article by User:Kafziel, nom by Alansohn (talk) 04:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Will Venable

Will Venable

• ... that Will Venable (pictured), son of Major League Baseball player Max Venable, was the second athlete (after teammate Chris Young) to be named first-team All-Ivy League in both basketball and baseball?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is 213 characters. —97198 (talk) 06:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
• I trimmed fifteen characters. Otto4711 (talk) 20:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• Were you counting the word pictured?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

• For what it's worth, I added 3 characters (2nd -> second, MOS:NUM) Art LaPella (talk) 22:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
• You can probably save some space by removing the part about his father. Zagalejo^^^ 20:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, but that is part of the reason for a reader to click on the link.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

But, imo, Max is not famous enough for this purpose. Mentioning Max is actually an unnecessary distraction. Ditto for mentioning Chris Young, unless the hook is rephrased to focus both youngsters. --74.13.129.234 (talk) 21:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Sonny Throckmorton

• ... that at least one song written by Sonny Throckmorton was on the country music charts for almost every week between 1976 and 1980? - Self nom Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 18:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Nabi Shu'ayb

• ... that Nabi Shu'ayb, Arabic for "the Prophet Jethro", is used in English to refer to the site where Druze tradition holds he was buried? (creator:User:Al Ameer son), nominated by Tiamut^talk 17:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

William Stern (businessman)

• ... that when property fund Nation Life Insurance collapsed in 1973, its owner William Stern became Britain’s biggest bankrupt with debts of £118 million?

Although this is unflattering info about a living person, I think it's more than adequately cited and doesn't give it undue weight (it seems to be the source of his greatest notoriety), so meets DYK's standards for inclusion. Nevertheless, I can also put forward this alternative:

• ... that the bankruptcy of property fund owner William Stern with debts of £118 million led directly to the creation of Britain's first Policyholders' Protection Act in 1975? -- new article self-nom(s) by --DeLarge (talk) 12:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Great Bombay Textile Strike

• ... that during the Great Bombay Textile Strike of 1982, nearly 250,000 workers and more than 50 textile mills went on strike in Mumbai, India? --- new article, self nom by Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 09:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Chuck Churn

• ... that Chuck Churn won only three games in his Major League Baseball career, one of them handing Elroy Face his only loss in 1959 when he finished with an 18-1 record? -- fivefold expansion, self nom by Alansohn (talk) 04:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Réseau de Transport d'Électricité

• ... that the French transmission system operator Réseau de Transport d'Électricité manages a 100,000 km network of high-voltage power lines, making it Europe's largest? New article, self-nom. — BillC ^talk 01:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

For those who don't speak French, the hook is cited in the La Dépêche du Midi reference: "le plus grand réseau de transport d'Europe", "the biggest transmission network in Europe". The 100,000km part is in references #1 and #5. — BillC ^talk 03:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Order of the Builders of People's Poland

• ... that Order of the Builders of People's Poland was the highest civilian decoration in the People's Republic of Poland? --self nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Visoba Khechara

• ... that according to Hindu legend, the yogi Visoba Khechara taught his disciple poet-saint Namdev the omnipresence of God by magically filling a whole temple with lingas – the symbols of god Shiva? self nom. new article--Redtigerxyz (talk) 05:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 19

Dou Can

• ... that Emperor Dezong of Tang ordered the former chancellor Dou Can to commit suicide as Dou was heading to his exile in Vietnam? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Lucius Aurelius Avianius Symmachus

• ... that although in 377 CE the house of Lucius Aurelius Avianius Symmachus, former prefect of Rome, was burnt down by the enraged plebs, after a while he regained their support? -- new article by User: TakenakaN; Nom by Colchicum (talk) 22:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I put CE in the date to make it clearer. Feel free to turn it to "AD 377" if you want; it just shouldn't be a bare number. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Wilhelm Walcher

• ... that Wilhelm Walcher had his post-doctoral thesis rejected for "political unreliability" by the Nazi German authorities until fellow physicist Hans Kopfermann intervened on his behalf? article by Bfiene (talk · contribs), nom --Carabinieri (talk) 20:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Expansion was not enough (1775 to 3691, or only about 2x expansion; 5x expansion is the minimum). —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Ziesmer

• ... that Jerry Ziesmer, who spoke the line "Terminate with extreme prejudice" in the film Apocalypse Now, was given the role unexpectedly by Francis Ford Coppola because the original actor had a cough? ~ New article by Wikidemon; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC).

Suggest: "spoke" --> "delivered". --74.14.18.119 (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Bartholomeus saga postola

• ... that in 13th century Old Norse Bartholomeus saga postola, a "devil" says that Jesus "made war on Hel our queen"? :bloodofox: (talk) 21:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Sharp Nemesis

• ... that the Sharp Nemesis has been called the most successful air racing plane in aviation history? New, self-nom. AKRadecki^Speaketh 03:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I changed "is considered" to "has been called." It's just better that way. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Mar Y Cel

• ... that the 350 acre Mar Y Cel estate, built in the early 1900s in the foothills of California's Santa Ynez Mountains, included an aqueduct, water works, arches, and statues? (new; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Mieczysław Jagielski

• ... that Mieczysław Jagielski negotiated the agreement which recognized Solidarity as the first independent trade union within the Eastern Bloc? Article expanded fivefold by User:Piotrus and Terrakyte (talk) 23:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC).

Pat Underwood

• ... that in his first game pitching in the major leagues, Pat Underwood of the Detroit Tigers won the game 1-0, defeating his brother, Tom, the starting pitcher for the Toronto Blue Jays? -- fivefold expansion, self nom by Alansohn (talk) 21:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Jane Brody

• ... that Jane Brody majored in biochemistry in college but became a journalist to "help people lead better lives", and her Personal Health column has been syndicated to more than 100 papers in the U.S.? -- new article, self nom by Alansohn (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Which nation? Suggest "nationwide" --> "across the U.S." --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Hook modified to clarify United States. Alansohn (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

2009 Maryland Terrapins football team

• ... that college football's top prospective linebacker recruit for 2009, Jelani Jenkins, has narrowed his potential choices to a field of fifteen, including the 2009 Maryland Terrapins? -- new article self-nom by Strikehold Strikehold (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Jelani Jenkins? Who? You're not going to connect with too many readers on the main page. --74.14.18.119 (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The hook isn't really about the bolded article either; it's about the Jenkins guy. Could work if he had his own article and it was a double-nom. —97198 (talk) 11:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Old English Gospel of Nicodemus

• ... that the Old English Gospel of Nicodemus features a female figure named Seo hell who tells Satan to leave her dwelling and has been compared to the female being Hel of Norse mythology? New article, self-nomination. Important to note that Hel (being) is a "being" as there is also Hel (location) from Norse mythology, and Hel is never explicitly referred to as a goddess in surviving sources. :bloodofox: (talk) 15:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Calostoma

• ... that spores from species of the mushroom genus Calostoma have been examined with both scanning probe and atomic force microscopy? -- new article self-nom by Sasata (talk) 08:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Is this something unusual or special? I don't know about the subject, but this sounds to me like something normal, not that interesting to the general reader. Chamal ^talk 11:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

George Hysteron-Proteron

• ... that while George Hysteron-Proteron was still in the cot, he shot his nanny in the backside with a pea-shooter? - self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 03:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Could we pipe "cot" to Infant bed instead of cross-wiki-ing to Wiktionary? —97198 (talk) 08:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. (The Wiktionary link was mine, because I didn't understand the Britishism.) Art LaPella (talk) 23:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

May need to mention that he grew up to become a notable shooter. Right now, the hook only says he was a naughty kid. --74.13.129.234 (talk) 21:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Alt: that while the fictional British soldier George Hysteron-Proteron was still in the cot, he shot his nanny in the backside with a pea-shooter? – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

1996 Orange Bowl (December)

• ... that the 1996 Orange Bowl had the lowest attendance of any Orange Bowl since 1947? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by JKBrooks85 (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Good expansion, but fact needs an inline citation. —97198 (talk) 08:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• See citation numbers 22 and 54. 22 lists the number of actual attendees, while 54 lists the number of tickets sold. JKBrooks85 (talk) 00:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on November 18

Committeemen and Committeewomen (Cook County)

• ... that the authority of Committeemen and Committeewomen in Chicago and Template:City-state, varies so that some committeemen control their wards and others are controlled by other ward leaders?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Does Chicagoist (or any Gothamist site) count as a valid source for us? I've run into problems using Shanghaiist before. I would generally be inclined to accept it, given that the writers for it are actually employed by the site (ie, they're not just randos) but I want to check with other reviewers first. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 20:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• I've only had good experiences with Gothamist sites. As you said, the author's not an self-publishing blogger - "Chicagoist's own political writer" (Kevin Robinson) does imply that he's being paid for what he's writing and thus he probably knows his stuff. —97198 (talk) 11:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• The RS noticeboard also said it's ok (diff). I'll accept the source; but there still is an issue with the possible factual accuracy, which TastyPoutine brought up at WT:DYK, and I'm going to copy it below: —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

• I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with a gothamist cite, but the statement for the nomination about the "authority" of the a ward committeeman seems a bit misleading. In fact, I don't think the article asserts such a statement. The article uses the term "influence". The one place that the article uses the word "authority" is not entirely correct anyway. There is no defined structure in the city charter or the party by-laws that says a committeeperson controls Ward X while the alderman controls Ward Y. Frankly they can be the same person. The committeeperson's "official" authority is pretty much always the same. They vote to endorse candidates and work for the party. The alderman is a member of the city council and has the authority as befits that office. I guess this sounds a bit nitpicky, but now that I have written it, I might as well post it. TastyPoutine ^{talk (if you dare) _]} 23:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

• Tasty, I am not so sure I understand your quibble, which is likely the result of my poor understanding of politics.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Yamashina Institute for Ornithology

Kuroda Sayako

• ... that the former Japanese princess Sayako (pictured) was a researcher at the Yamashina Institute for Ornithology specializing in the study of kingfishers? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that one of the researchers at the Yamashina Institute for Ornithology was former Japanese princess Sayako, who specialized in the study of kingfishers? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Now that I've given my alt hook, I have to say i don't think this should be accepted. It's barely 1500 characters, and there's only one ref. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
      • I agree, and parts of it are listy and not really prose. – How do you turn this on (talk) 02:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Nabi Rubin

• ... that according to Islamic tradition, Reuben is buried in the former Arab village of Nabi Rubin (pictured), where up to 30,000 Muslims participated in an annual religious festival before its capture by Israel in 1948? (self-nom) --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• The article says Israelis won't let Arabs live there permanently, and Israelis turned a Muslim shrine into a Jewish shrine. Please forgive my unfamiliarity with Mideast politics, but neither the hook nor the article answers this question: Do the Israelis forbid Muslims from making their pilgrimage anyway? Art LaPella (talk) 06:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Art LaPella. If I may, I think the festival just ended because in the wake of 1948 war, the 150,000 Arabs that remained within Israel and became citizens, needed travel permits to go from place to place. Israel was under Martial law#Israel. That would make getting 30,000 people together to go to a festival rather difficult since I doubt all 30,000 would be able to get a permit at the time. So though there may very well have been no official proclamation cancelling the festival, it would have been impossible to organize under the general circumstances. Note that martial law continued until 1967, and by that time, people would have gotten used to not having the festival and it would be difficult to reignite the tradition. Just my two cents. Tiamut^talk 17:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I sort of revised the "pilgrimage" part of the hook to reflect that in the article. In the Benvenisti source, it says it was not celebrated in the year of the war, but does not say if Muslims were forbidden to visit it. I'm sure they're allowed, but a festival of even close to such magnitude hasn't occurred since the village's capture. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, the article mentions that most of the pilgrims came from the surrounding cities like Lydda, Ramleh and Jaffa. In those cities *at least* 90 % of the Arab population were expelled (outside Israels borders). So of the 30 000 people who attended pre-1948, only, say, a maximum of 2-3000 would have a theoretical possibility to attend post-48. And as Tiamut mentions above: they all needed travelling-permit. And from what I have read about those times: they were very difficult times for the non-Jews of Israel, I think celebrating at festivals was very low on their list of priorities. Regards, Huldra (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 17

Château d'Angludet

• ... that Bordeaux wine estate Château d'Angludet was considered a fourth growth, until death and decline led to its omission from the Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855? -- new article self-nom by MURGH ^disc. 02:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

• I'm concerned that there is no explanation in the article as to what a "fourth growth" is. Otto4711 (talk) 01:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• I understand, the explanation only comes with the 1855 link. Otherwise, first growth (or cru) don't feel appropriate to insert. MURGH ^disc. 01:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC) An attempt at an explanation has been inserted. MURGH ^disc. 12:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• "Fourth growth" is still uninformative for people who aren't wine connoisseurs. I assume it means pretty high quality, but I dunno. Try suggesting an alt hook that expresses that more clearly, without using jargon. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 07:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

José María Rojas Garrido

José María Rojas Garrido

• ... that José María Rojas Garrido (pictured) assumed the presidency of the United States of Colombia for less than two months in 1886 due to the absence of the then president-elect Tomás Cipriano de Mosquera? --self-nom mijotoba (talk) 00:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  • That whole section of the article is unreferenced. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 07:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I found a source confirming his assumptions (he actually assumed the office a few years ealier as well for only 6 days) and the dates but its in a list of rulers and doesn't explain the reason why he assumed office.Nrswanson (talk) 06:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I left a message for the nominator a day and a half ago. I'll wait another 24 hours before taking further action. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 01:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 16

Utah roundmouth snail

Valvata utahensis

• ... that the Utah roundmouth snail (Valvata utahensis) (pictured) is extirpated from Utah? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Snek01 (talk) 00:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Article incorporates text from two PD sources. I don't think DYK has official rules on that, but because of my personal stance on the whole PD yada yada thing I can't ever verify a hook that copies text from somewhere else. If someone else disagrees then feel free to go over my head and verify this hook, but if no one else chooses to verify this hook then I guess that's that. (If you do, however, also note that the hook could be clarified a little more; "extirpated" might not be a very common word.) —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 06:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Species recovery plan is the best reference (it is written by experts and verified by public and approved by USFWS) and there is no need to verify the plan. There is need to verify that the hook is written in the plan and it is all right. Should I add this reference at the end of every sentence that uses text from this recovery plan? (It is important for me, because I always use texts from a public domain source.) As for the word "extirpated", I am not native English speaker. I think it is a good word, see article local extinction, but you can use also "locally extincted" instead of it. --Snek01 (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Next time I will explain where wikipedians verifying hooks can verify it. OK? For now it is here, on page 6. --Snek01 (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

This is not easy! Page 6 or the article does not mention "roundmouth" or even round & mouth, so I try the latin name ... still not found. I then read the whole of page 6 as requested and the only thing I can find is a "Utah valvata snail" which an expert might tell me has a round mouth, but how do I know? Maybe I missed it, but the word "expirated" was not obvios either or even that they were "locally extinct" ... it just tald about them being endangered. Pleased to see you say you will think about the person checking the hooks as at the memont you are keeping them/us busy. Victuallers (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL, counted page 6 is in that PDF on page 17 of the file. And you are lucky that the file is on the internet so you can verify it so easy. And about the word: so readers will know the new word if they do not already know it. It is encyclopedia for. --Snek01 (talk) 15:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, a good hook should be comprehensible to readers without them needing to click on any links (other than the main one) for background information. Sometimes that's impossible, of course, but it is something to aim for. If a technical term can be replaced with an easier one, that's usually a good thing. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Roundmouth does not appear anywhere in the .pdf file that is on the internet. A search for Utah roundmouth snail in Google scholar, books, and news has no indication that the name of the snail is the Utah roundmouth snail. The .pdf file did say "Recent mollusc surveys throughout Utah revealed no live snails, and the species is believed to be extirpated there (Clarke 1991)," which seems different from the hook. -- Suntag ☼ 08:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Traxion (video game)

• ... that though Wired magazine called the video game Traxion "the best thing they had on the show floor" at E3 2006, publisher Lucas Arts canceled the game in early 2007? article expanded 5x, self nom. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 01:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: I hesitate nominating this article because it is still up for deletion, but I am confident (overly confident, perhaps) that the nom will fail. In any case, I wouldn't expect this to be approved at least until the AfD is finished. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 01:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
    • AfD closed and the article was kept. But I'm still concerned about its notability as far as DYK is concerned. Your comments in the AfD discussion would probably establish notability, but none of the stuff you mention in AfD ("...gaming sites that were buzzing about this back after E3 2006. It seemed like it was a big deal when it was canceled...") is in the article. Even if you know the subject is notable, I think the article needs to better establish that notability. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 07:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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