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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Abd (talk | contribs) at 13:44, 29 January 2009 (Your block of 208.89.102.50: tad premature?). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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This user is a member of the Wikipedia Ultra Secret Inner Inner Cabal, a cabal so secret that not only am I not allowed to know who the other members are, I am not even allowed to know if there are any other members, and if I ever did find out that anyone else was a member I would have to kill them immediately.

You can contact WUSIIC on #wikipedia-ultra-secret-inner-inner-cabal on Freenode. As a courtesy you are requested to kill yourself afterwards.


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This user is tired of silly drama on Wikipedia.
If you are going to be a dick, please be a giant dick, so we can ban you quickly and save time. Thank you so much.

I check in most evenings, and occasionally some days during the day. I am on UK time (I can see Greenwich Royal Observatory from my office). If you post a reply at 8pm EST and get no reply by 10pm, it's likely because I'm asleep. My wiki interests at the moment are limited. I still handle some OTRS tickets. You can find me on facebook: my profile. Please include your WP username if sending a friend request.

Dispute resolution, Bible style - and actually an excellent model on Wikipedia as well.

If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'

If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

— Matthew 18:15

Please do not try to provoke me to anger, it's not difficult to do, so it's not in the least bit clever, and experience indicates that some at least who deliberately make my life more miserable than it needs to be, have been banned and stayed that way. Make an effort to assume good faith and let's see if we can't get along. Guy (Help!) 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the internets is populated by eggshells armed with hammers




Note to self

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Istria&diff=192329190&oldid=189359747

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Afd of Mucoid plaque

Mucoid plaque is up for AFD... again.

The latest discussion is here. As a previous participant in a AFD discussion for this article, you are encouraged to contribute to ongoing consensus of whether or not this article meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion.--ZayZayEM (talk) 02:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Xfm North East

Hello, I'm the original creator of the page and wondered what the problem with it is. Xfm north east is an exciting new radio station (hopefully) coming soon to my area. I put references in so please could you let me know what to do to get it back. Many thanks. OneThatDontSpeak —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.171.13 (talk) 23:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jed Rothwell on Cold Fusion Talk

There is a lot of needless bickering going on over at the cold fusion talk page. Much of it relates to your edit here. Would you be so kind as to weigh in on the topic there, please? Also, if you believe that there exists an enforcible community topic ban on this user would you please be so kind as to register that fact at WP:Editing restrictions to resolve this confusion? Thanks. --GoRight (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your block of 208.89.102.50

Yesterday, you blocked this IP. No evidence was shown of block or ban violations, and the fact of this was being discussed at Talk:Cold fusion. I know you may argue that there is a ban; however, you are clearly an involved administrator, one who proposed a ban, and the prior AN discussion was never closed by a neutral admin. Please unblock and if there is a need for a block, please take it to AN as would any other editor. --Abd (talk) 19:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't say I didn't ask. I'll still say it: I've seen no cogent evidence of block or ban violations, unless you think that you have the authority to argue for a ban, declare the ban, and then enforce it. At the same time as being involved. I'm just going to assert this here, I'm not going to waste my time and yours with diffs, etc. Maybe I missed something. If you want to contest this, you will certainly have the opportunity! Otherwise, please, unblock. I won't ask again. If you think me wrong, fine, I'm not threatening you with anything. Perhaps you'll get a barnstar. However, you can be sure that this will be discussed. Actually, it already has been discussed, just not this specific incident. I'd hoped you'd avoid stuff like this. --Abd (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it was Rothwell. He made 30 edits between 17 January and 25 January, and he signs them. Suddenly he's blocked. Perhaps you might say why. You mention another IP address. Please reference the other standing block, I'd think it would be relevant!

Let's see, known Rothewell IP, going back in time, based on edits to [[Talk:Cold fusion:

Now comes Special:Contributions/68.158.255.197, active from 12 December to 17 December. You blocked this IP, December 18. One month block. There was no mention of a ban. Now, that block expired a week before you again blocked new IP. Punishment for some prior violation of block? Was there a warning?

Looks to me like Rothwell did not violate your month block, unless you want to call that test edit -- which showed him that he could edit -- a violation. I'd suggest not trying. Anyway, you don't need to answer these questions, if you don't care to. But my guess is that they will come up. It's possible that there is some indef block of some IP somewhere. How deeply should I look? User:JedRothwell isn't blocked, nor has he been notified of a topic ban or warned of a block. That the account is inactive is irrelevant. JzG, I think you've gone too far. I suggest you consider unblocking, small thing; you know it's harmless anyway. To sustain this will likely bring the whole story out, I'd rather not do that; perhaps you would. Up to you. --Abd (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you also blocked:

I don't think these were Rothwell, unless he is partitioning his behavior, which seems unlikely. Anyway, this would explain why you think he'd been evading your block. --Abd (talk) 01:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All of the following seem to be quite applicable under the circumstances:
Just something to think about. --GoRight (talk) 01:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The arbitration that got my attention on this was Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Physchim62, and what was clear to me was that Physchim62 was headed for desysopping not because he'd blocked when involved, that was merely an error. It was because he steadfastly refused to acknowledge that it was an error. And his friends kept on encouraging him.... He needed better friends, ones who would tell him when he'd screwed up. Same thing happened with Tango, a bit later. --Abd (talk) 04:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You guys, those situations are not comparable because JzG already went to AN to ask other admins here before banning, Jed was clearly disrupting the talk page, etc, so I very highly doubt that JzG has to fear any desyoping over this.
Also, I still think that arguing about the requirements for a ban is useless, and I already told you how and where to appeal the ban, so go on and appeal it already :P --Enric Naval (talk) 19:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter how many times you say it, there is no ban. Ergo, there is nothing to appeal. I note that User:JzG has still not recorded any such ban at WP:Editing restrictions. Why is that, exactly? --GoRight (talk) 20:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ask him. (as for me, I already told you that listing the ban there is not a requirement for the ban existing) --Enric Naval (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have. Thus far he has no response. --GoRight (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is covered by the topic ban on Pcarbonn. He is a close collaborator of a topic-banned user, a collaborator in the off-wiki campaign that Pcarbonn brought here, a troll, a spammer and a POV-pusher. And those are his good points. Guy (Help!) 21:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh how silly of me. Pcarbonn was banned for bringing Rothwell's battle to Wikipedia, so we should interpret that as legalistically as we possibly can and bend over so far backwards to appease Rothwell that our heads disappear up our arses. Or - here's a novelty - we could read the arbiotration case, note the off-wiki agenda and POV-pushing, spot that it was actually Rothwell's agenda and that Rothwell and Pcarbonn are off-wiki collaborators (see http://knol.google.com/k/jed-rothwell/cold-fusion/2zjj2hvn3qzi5/2#) and spot the blindingly obvious: that there is one problem with two exemplars. And that's before you get to the spamming and trolling. Guy (Help!) 22:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • To claim that a ban exists when a user is a close collaborator of a banned user, posting in the same area, and is a WP:SPA, is in fact quite normal. There are multiple ArbCom cases which reiterate the principle that when two accounts act in harmony then they may be treated as a single account. What we don't do - at least I hope not - is allow someone to bring a battle to Wikipedia, spend months getting round to chasing them off, and then sit back when the person whose battle it was in the first place comes here to pick up the baton. That would be plain silly. Guy (Help!) 22:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
GoRight, if you disagree with an admin's action - and obviously, you do - then the first step is to discuss it with them. Done. Guy has not been convinced. The next step, if you still feel strongly, would be to request outside review in a venue such as WP:AN or WP:AN/I. Or you could try a new line of discussion here, but I don't think this is going anywhere beyond increasingly forceful restatements of your respective positions. MastCell Talk 00:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Guy himself has brought it directly to arbitration, I'll make a statement there: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Cold_fusion_topic_bans --Enric Naval (talk) 12:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tad premature? I guess we'll see. Guy, I don't know why you are forcing this to pop to that level (I haven't looked yet), but you may be right. Maybe the can of worms does need to be opened and examined. --Abd (talk) 13:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

reply to above

I refer the hon. Gentleman to the answer given by the right honourable member for citizendium south: "show the door to vandals, trolls and wiki-anarchists who would waste your time and create a poisonous atmosphere"

Vandalism: spamming fits the bill. Trolling: yes, of numerous editors, usually because they supported canonical policy. Wiki anarchist: yes, persistent IP-hopping and promotion of his site, created a knol with pcarbonn to promote the fringe crap pc is now banned from posting, which is editing by proxy for a banned user. Out simply, jed's input is an active impediment to fixing an article badly skewed by an editor who is now topic banned. We do not need him, we do not need his special pleading and we do not need people to enable offsite pov-pushing to be brought to wikipedia.

This from my blackberry so apologies for limited links etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.20.124 (talk) 21:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]