Biohard covered "After Forever," but that is already mentioned, they also produced a video of the song. Someone once shot himself, blowing off his lower jaw, and blamed "Killing Yourself to Live". It was documented on 20/20 or some similar new-type show, if someone has more information on that it may make the song more notible. I also believe it was the first Sabbath song to use a synthesizer, I'll try to look that up. Not much on "Solitude" that I can think of, probably doesn't need its own page. -J04n (talk) 00:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi WP:METAL! The article Totimoshi was recently created and speedily deleted by an administrator. I believed that it was notable and took the liberty of restoring it with additional text and sources, which I believe establish notability. However, the article is still in very bad shape. As I have little knowledge of the subject, I believe that your WikiProject can be of great assistance here! Thanks, Ynhockey(Talk)00:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On that page, there is a section that disturbs me to the point that I am writing this on the Wikiproject Metal discossion page. I typed something like this on its talk page, but I haven't received any responses, and that was after a few days. I would usually delete sources to forums, but there is a lot of information from the forum and the forum is the officiall forum of the Orphaned Land website. I the situation has gonesomewhat out of hand; there is not an editing dispute or anything, but there has been information added every several days and the whole section is unencyclopedic. I'm bringing this up on this site because I want someone who is more experienced in cases like this to do what would be appropriate and request what I should do if there is a similar event elsewhere. Thank you. BTC21:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all, I created and uploaded a graph depicting Heavy metal genealogy. I got the idea, after I saw this file, showing genealogy of Cuban music. I was trying to understand the relationship between numerous heavy metal genres. It was difficult when there are so many of them. But after I created this I understood systematic evolution of Metal. Now there is no need for me to read thorough all the article and spend a lot of time to comprehend Metal. I dearly hope that would be the case for most of the readers too. After all one picture is worth 1000 words, right?
About Picture: I simply created this using Word 2007. For the simplicity I intentionally left out fusion genre. Notably, Alternative metal, Nu metal and Sludge. I hope to create a separate graph for fusion genre too. I would like you to comment on accuracy of the picture. If there are someone with greater graphical ability, I'd love you to go ahead and create a better picture. I prefer if we can reduced the number of arrows, if it is correct. For example, Speed metal and Thrash metal have same parents. would not it better if there is only the arrow from Speed to Thrash, providing if it is the correct case. Node of NWOBHM left white to indicate that it is a movement rather than a genre. Love to hear comments from you. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 04:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The picture is really nice. It is definitely something that is interesting to read. A lot of the chart is pretty accurate and organized. However, I have a few things I want to point out about the chart.
Look at the part where it says this:
progressive rock
↓
progressive metal
I would like to see some more parent genres of progressive rock; otherwise, it is suggestiong that progressive rock and progressive metal are one of the same, which is not the case. I would like seen another parent genre to progressive metal, probably being the heavy metal tab. There is a similar
I wouldn't want to have the avant-garde metal tab to be isolated as it currently is for much longer. I would suggest adding a red tab being parent to the avant-garde metal tab, such as one that says something along the lines of "avant-garde music". THe other parent category could, yet again, be the heavy metal tab.
I would have folk metal being mentioned on that chart. It isn't mentioned on there, but here is a possible solution to that. Folk metal was created out of inspiration from heavy metal and folk music, so the appropriate parent categories would probably be those two, with a red tab for folk music. Matter of fact, maybe thrash metal can be a parent tab of folk metal, since folk metal pioneers Skyclad is a band with thrash metal leanings. Black metal is another possible suggestion for a parent tab of folk metal, since another pioneer of folk metal, Bathory, was originally a black metal band, but later evolved into folk metal. Those last two suggesstions are just thoughts, though. Viking metal is a genre with influence from both black metal and folk metal, and folk metal would be another suitable parent tab to Viking metal.
That is my input on your picture. I wish you nothing except good fortune with this picture of yours, for it is definitely something that is great and can be very useful. Long live metal music!
Thank you Backtable, for your comments. They are really encouraging.
Progressive metal: This is easily solvable. I was struggling to draw a long arrow from Heavy metal to Prog. Thats why that arrow is missing. I intent create a graph for Rock too. Then we can show ancestries of Prog Rock there. I intended this to focus only on Metal. Thats why.
Avant-garde metal: You are right. I should've mention Avant-garde metal's non metal parent. Though on its article it says it have various forms of metal. I thought therefore it would be inappropriate to connect just one node.
Folk metal: As I mentioned above I am planning to create a another graph for fusion genres too. We can have Folk metal there. List of fusion genres I like to include there is given below.
Drone metal
Folk metal
Industrial metal
Metalcore
Nu metal
Sludge metal
Alternative metal
Christian metal
Rap metal
Funk metal
Grindcore
Neo-classical metal
Post-metal
Colours I used are taken from articles infobox. For ex. Hip Hop would have Blue node. Based on these I'll redraw the graph tonight(SL time) and post it tomorrow. Until then, so long!--Chanaka L (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. The whole thing is cool. But it lacks several things. As mentioned above there are many fusion genres and also many genres such as avant-garde/experimental metal and folk metal with further non-metal influences such as avant-garde/experimental music or folk/world music. some metal genres also need to bee added (pretty much of the list by Chanaka L). I would also add technical death metal which comes from prog and death; and brutal death metal (subgenre of death).
Good idea in general. cheers.-- LYKANTROP ✉ 12:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the whole issue with avant-garde metal is that it's influenced by virtually every other style of metal and many outside sources at the same time- avant-garde music in general is so difficult to define that it's hard to see its place in a graph like this. Two metal bands may fall under the "avant-garde" description but sound completely differt and have two separate sets of influences. Also worth mentioning- possible influence of power metal on viking metal? Quorthon himself mentioned in influence Manowar had on his Viking-era work. Just a thought. It's hard to be both accurate and concise with these things, but I appreciate the work you put into it. Very good so far! Thee darcy (talk) 16:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
