User talk:AJona1992

Interceding

Hey, I notice there's some fuss going on; let me try to help out. Okay?

(Longer message to follow; this one is just to get your attention.) DS (talk) 14:40, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, let's see. First, we do appreciate your efforts to have the Selena article be as high-quality as possible. Uploading images to illustrate the articles is helpful. The problem is, you're not doing it right.

The thing is, Selena died when you were two and a half years old. (You put your date of birth on your userpage, remember?) So when you upload a picture of her and say "I (AJona1992) created this work entirely by myself"... at the very least, we'd need more details, because how could such a little kid take such a high-quality photograph?

The answer is -- as you've since mentioned -- that this was a photo owned by your family. This means that you did not create the work "entirely by yourself": scanning a photo doesn't count as "creating" it. We need to know who took it (your grandma? your mom?), and the circumstances under which it was taken (where? when?).

I understand that you don't want to be disrespected or bullied, but what you have to realize is that this is a legal thing. There's stuff that's allowed, stuff that's not allowed, and stuff that's in a gray area... and we try to stay out of the gray area as much as possible. Wikipedia has to cover its ass as much as possible, just in case.

It's true that we have a lot more free photos of people like J.Lo than of Selena, but that's because those people are alive during a time when lots of people have digital cameras and are willing to donate their photos to Wikipedia. Once someone dies, no new free pictures of them can be made.

I hope this helps; feel free to ask me if you've got any problems. I might not be immediately available, but I'll do what I can as soon as I can. DS (talk) 15:28, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you guys so much, I really needed this help! Please keep helping me out here I really do need it thanks! AJona1992 (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good. Glad to hear it. Can you provide more details about those photos? DS (talk) 19:00, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok both my grandmother and mother became Selena fans back in the early 1990s, my grandmother used to live in Corpus Christi, Texas and began attending her concerts and taking pictures. I can ask both my mom and grandmother when and where they were taken if you want! I was born in 1992 but in New Jersey, when Selena died both my grandmother and mother watched everything on the TV, magazines, newspapers, and radio stations around Jersey and I was always around my grandma and mother, and as I grew up they kept playing her songs while they clean, or on the radio, by this time we all moved to Orlando, Florida. And in 2002 they all gave me their collections (pictures, signatures, vhs tapes, etc). I didn't know nothing about wikipedia until I was in High School and seeing that the article was lacking information, not enough information, and just only one photo. At that time I didn't know how to edit, create, upload, etc., but I later learned. So now I keep uploading them but they keep getting deleted because these people believe that I don't own them because they see them everywhere which is true, there's Selena message boards every where, where fans, like me, share photos to everyone and for fan sites alike. So it's fair that they want to just delete it because they "think" it's not free, which got me pissed off. AJona1992 (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good. The thing is, because we've had so many dumb people who think "oh, a picture is online, I don't know where it came from, I'll say it's public domain and upload it to Wikipedia!", we've had to go with the policy of assuming that a photo is not free unless someone can prove that it is. So what we'll need is "this photo of Selena performing at (the Nacogdoches Concert Hall or wherever), (May 1993 or whenever), was taken by the grandmother/mother of user:AJona1992; she agrees to release it under the terms of the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License". DS (talk) 12:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I have all the photos, just which one you need? The one I uploaded as free (Selena live in 1994)? Ok and how do I do this? I sent the message to that place everyone's been asking me about 3-5 days ago. AJona1992 (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We need all that information for each photo that's categorized as 'free'. If you can't provide that information -- who took it, where, when, and whether they release it under a Wikipedia-compatible license -- we have to assume it's not free. Although since it's impossible to have any new free pictures of Selena, we can use non-free photos as "fair use" as long as each non-free photo has an individual fair use rationale. DS (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for taking long, the picture was taken in the San Antonio Texas Fair on June 11, 1994 in San Antonio, Texas. AJona1992 (talk) 17:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For the Grammy Award picture, which was taken by my mother on March 1, 1994 in Radio City Music Hall, New York. My mom took four pictures of her during this time. And I think that's all I uploaded as "free". I have way more but until these photos can be placed I won't upload any more. Thanks AJona1992 (talk) 00:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so add information to the photo: "Photo taken at the San Antonio, Texas Fair on June 11, 1994, by the mother of user:AJon1992, who agrees to release it under the terms of the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license and the GFDL" (and then the Grammy information the same way, etc). DS (talk) 20:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the pictures are already on commons, add the info to the pages on commons. If they're not on commons, add the info here. DS (talk) 23:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You should NOT say "Entirely my own work - I created it, own all the rights to it, and have not used anyone else's work in making it", because some are by your MOTHER and some are by your GRANDMOTHER, and if you say it's entirely your own work, that would be a lie. DS (talk) 01:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For "permission", put {{OTRS pending}}, and then write to <permissions-commons@wikimedia.org> and explain the situation. DS (talk) 02:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User sandbox

I have moved your sandbox to User:AJona1992/Sandbox, to your own userspace, so it's out of projectspace. --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan, here's a link to the contents of your last version of the Selena article, in a sandbox I tried to create (I changed my mind. Don't recreate it, paste the contents into the old sandbox): [1]. SamEV (talk) 07:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I couldn't find your sandbox. You moved it around in such a way that what was supposedly your sandbox was actually your old talk page archive. I've just renamed the archive and place a link to it at the top of this page. SamEV (talk) 08:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.P.S I forgot to mention that the second sandbox also contains some changes of my own in the lead. SamEV (talk) 01:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with this stupid thing? I edit and ADDED MORE information to it and it's not there anymore. AJona1992 (talk) 19:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Selena

I said in my edit summary that I am willing to keep helping with your grammar. But I also asked you a while ago to not make such big changes. I tend to be meticulous, even a perfectionist, in my editing, and it's too laborious (for me) to clean up a large portion of an article all at once. I propose that you break up your edit into smaller portions. It isn't just the copyediting, it's also verification of your sources that can eat up quite a portion of my Wikipedia time. SamEV (talk) 23:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But my claims has sources, and please don't tell me that I can't expand that article what's this a new "rule"? AJona1992 (talk) 14:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say your changes were unsourced. I said they need much cleanup and verification. You have a track record of misreading your sources. I testify to it first hand.

Jonathan, Selena is a featured article. That means it already is considered to be of high quality, the highest, in fact. So it's extremely unlikely that your additions are so essential that they must be made ASAP. I can't name a policy, but I think it's only logical that changes to an FA be made more cautiously than to other articles. Let me be blunt: Left to your own devices, you could be responsible for the demotion of that article from featured status. Ask yourself: do you want to harm the article's quality in a very noticeable way? I'm not making an unreasonable request by asking you to make smaller changes. SamEV (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But those changes NEED to be there, that FA article is lacking information about her though AJona1992 (talk) 00:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"NEED"? I doubt that's the right verb. Anyway, let me try again: You don't have to, I can't force you–I'm just asking that you make those changes a little bit at a time, that's all. SamEV (talk) 01:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I will try. AJona1992 (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When will the changes be affecting the main Selena page? AJona1992 (talk) 22:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't made the changes yet.

I'll help you with the article in the new sandbox after the weekend. SamEV (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I say go ahead and move the sandbox. I'll at least slap a cleanup tag on it, hoping that someone else helps clean it up, but I'll still try to pitch in. And yeah, expect a deletion nomination, just in case there is one (so you won't be surprised, anyway).

I'll have a look at the Selena article later this evening. SamEV (talk) 23:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll try to find sources and expand it further before moving it from the sandbox. And ok, I only copied and paste (small parts) to the Selena article from the sandbox we used for the second version. AJona1992 (talk) 23:09, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An article's lead should be terse, not getting too much in the weeds about anything in particular. That's why I took out some of the content you added. If you want to put it back, the "Success" section seems to be the place, but wait another day or two, unless there's someone else who'll help with clean up today. SamEV (talk) 19:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, you can't use MySpace. SamEV (talk) 00:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Selena article's lead can be larger, if necessary. But you shouldn't make it larger just for the sake of it, and certainly not when there are important concerns over the new content's quality. SamEV (talk) 16:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Selena 2

The person who you reverted was telling the truth, the information can be seen in NUMEROUS Selena specials. Currently, that information is also pending with the new version that will soon take over the poorly information that is given to her. AJona1992 (talk) 01:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care if the information was wrote by the pope, add alot of unnecesary information and/or poorly information to WP:FAs make them go here. Also what is the sense of add ^{[citation needed]} tags from March?, obvioulsy was a copy-paste from that date. Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 01:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, well I was just saying, does wikipedia allow like "foot notes" to replace sourced information from TV specials, magazines, newspapers, books, VHS tapes, and/or home video specials? AJona1992 (talk) 01:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:RS books, newspapers, magazine Y. TV-related sources could fail copyvio, but I'm not sure about them. Radio sources Template:Wrong (unless those are in a video, in a recorfding or in a print media). Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 01:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just read, a little about, the section where it says "Self-published sources (online and paper)" and it only says that if I hire someone or if I create a web site, book, or a article on a newspaper for this article, that it is not allowed, but these information are from specials from Univision, Q-Productions, Galavision, Telemundo and other major English and Spanish channels. So I am just wondering if I can just grab some information and use it in the article as a "foot note" instead of a reference will it be acceptable especially for FAs or are there rules against them? AJona1992 (talk) 01:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know if those channels are approved as Reliable Sources, especially Univision. You can ask it in WT:RS. Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 01:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alright I'll do that, thanks for the help AJona1992 (talk) 01:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

my absence

Sorry, Jona I just haven't been on Wikipedia a lot lately just for reason live vacation and that I've been busy with my family and friends.--Curtis23's Us al ions 03:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also Jona I was reading your talk page and I have to say dude don't get too many warning you were already blocked for a week for sock puppetry your really risking an indefinite block.--Curtis23's Us al ions 03:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's ok, I understand. And I have been trying to change my attitude so everything is fine now. AJona1992 (talk) 13:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

Please be mindful of the three revert rule when editing. Regardless of the merits of your edits, continually reverting on The Bad Girls Club (season 5) without constructive discussion is disruptive. If you have any questions, please ask. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 13:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But it's not fault, they keep vandalizing that page, what else can I do? AJona1992 (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't vandalism. We have to assume that the edits are in good faith. The best way to deal with it is to ask the other editor why they think their edits are appropriate, if you disagree. If they are unresponsive, then other steps might be necessary. Try leaving a message on the user's talk page. If they don't respond, and continue to make the edits, leave a note on their talk page saying something like "I'm going to remove that edit you made because of xxxx. If you disagree, let's talk about it. If you simply revert my change without discussion, I'll have to assume that you don't wish to play by Wikipedia rules and you may end up getting blocked from editing." If they respond inappropriately, then we can look into it. Sometimes a personalized, non-templated message could help. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 14:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank you, I'll just do that then, I didn't know. I'll just send you a message if they continue to do so, thanks again! AJona1992 (talk) 14:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Girls Club

I'm not sure what you mean. This may be a silly question, but did you try just pasting the content into the Season 5 section? Click here if you didn't. SamEV (talk) 02:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LOLZ, I want to paste all my work (that sandbox I sent you) to that link you just sent me. I did tried thats why I am wondering if I did anything wrong? Thanks --AJona1992 (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Write something, as a test. Then at least you'll know that you're able to write. Then try to paste the content again. If the problem continues, paste only part of it and see if it displays. Keep going until you come to the content that doesn't display, and you'll have identified where the problem lies. SamEV (talk) 02:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File permission problem with File:Selenagrammy.jpg

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As a person who receives these permission e-mails, I am able to search the system, and I have not found a letter from your mother. Unless this letter is soon received, this image will need to be deleted. Given that this picture is already published elsewhere on the internet (see [2]), we're going to have to verify that your mother is the photographer. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So what should my mother say to release it here as free? AJona1992 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not going to be easy, I'm afraid. This image has been previously published elsewhere, which means that we must confirm her authority carefully. The image seems to have been taken backstage at the awards ceremony during the press photography gathering. Having her provide her professional credentials would certainly be a good first step, to verify that she would have had access, as would asking her to send a high resolution version of the image rather than the low resolution version currently on Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well theres millions of the same picture everywhere of Selena so you don't have proof that I just took it off the internet, secondly yes she did took it backstage. And how does she do that? AJona1992 (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need to prove that you just took it off the internet; when it exists elsewhere, you need to prove that you did not. This is Wikipedia's policy. If your mother is a professional photographer, she should have professional credentials that she can use to verify. She could, for example, identify the press agencies she worked for and supply verification of this. Of course, if she took the photograph as a professional photographer, she may also need to verify that she did not do so as a work for hire for the press agency that obtained her access. But supplying a higher resolution image from her negative ought to help. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's a higher resolution image? And she's not going to that at all because that's her personal information, oh well I guess the photo is going to be deleted, such a shame that Wikipedia is so lame HAHAHAHA. AJona1992 (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I gather you must be young; forgive me if I'm mistaken, but when conversation devolves to the point of "Wikipedia is so lame HAHAHAHA", I presume that I am not talking to an adult. If your mother is a professional photographer, as you say, she will know what I mean by "higher resolution image". It should be no problem for her to comply. You can ask her about it, and I'm sure she'd be happy to give you a detailed explanation and perhaps even show you an example from her own work. In terms of her personal information, very likely that information was already publicized by whomever hired her to take that photograph at the time, but if you feel she would not wish it publicized here, then, yes, certainly the image will be deleted. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I gather that your stupid; forgive me if no one told you that if ANYONE dares to talk shit or says something to me that is offensive then I will attack back. I don't hold shit in so don't get it twisted. I am not going to tell her at all, you just have gotten me pissed at your stupid comment that you made. So go delete it and have joy in doing so, "haha oh look at me I'm deleting a photo OMG this is so fun yay yay" that's how you sound HAHAHHAAH. Lame.

It seems that in addition to our copyright policies, you may need to become familiar with our policy against personal attacks. This in itself can result in your account being blocked, which would be a shame if you're truly interested in working on these articles. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Selena12.jpg

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Of course we go again, even if I put the licence there all you guys will just jump on it and delete it, its like theres no trying to talk about this at all with you guys. My mother took the picture oh well get over it. If you don't like it then go somewhere else with that. Peace out AJona1992 (talk) 16:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Selena's grave.jpg

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Selena FAR

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Talkback

Hello, AJona1992. You have new messages at Talk:Selena.
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August 2010

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Talk:Selena

I can't speak for anyone else on Wikipedia, but speaking for myself, I have never met you, or even encountered you on Wikipedia before (as far as I know) so why would I dislike you?
Selena is a deceased pop star that I had never heard of until a few days ago. Why would I dislike her?
When have I ever "threatened you"?--Beloved Freak 16:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to re-read it again, I didn't say that YOU didn't like her nor didn't like me. I was talking about other contribitors who dislike me and my actions and I can't do anything because they will only warn me about getting banned again. AJona1992 (talk) 03:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No one's out to get you. Mike Allen 03:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know that but it's like everything I do its wrong when really its the truth I just can't find any sources but sources from magazines, newspapers, and TV specials but theres not source over the internet and I guess, by the way everyone reverts everything I do, theres a rule aganist it. AJona1992 (talk) 03:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I re-read it, and fair enough, I can accept that you might have been talking about other people not liking you. (I concur with the comment above; no-one's out to get you). However, your comment about threatening you was clearly directed at me: "Also YOU need to know that YOU should NEVER threaten me EVER because I don't play fair nor do I back down from ANYONE as you can tell on my old talk page. I know theres rules and stuff like that but once you cross me I can be just as mean as anyone maybe even worse". Was that really fair?--Beloved Freak 08:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The comment that you made (so I suggest you add some sources to the time line, or it will be removed.) could've been said a little better, the way you threw that at me wasn't very nessary. That comment really didn't sit well with me. AJona1992 (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, well I'm sorry you took it that way, it certainly wasn't my intention to "threaten" you or to imply any kind of power to ruin your work or take it away from you. The thing is, WP:V is a very important part of Wikipedia, and it's really up to the editor adding information to make sure they provide sources. Otherwise, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed" - it can be removed by any editor, and that's what I meant. I wasn't actually intending to remove it myself immediately, preferring to discuss it first, but when I looked at it more closely, I realised that there is contentious information about a living person (Yolanda Saldívar). The Biographies of living persons policy is also taken very seriously at Wikipedia. Information about living people must be sourced very carefully, especially information that is contentious or might be challenged. It doesn't matter if that person is a convicted criminal - it still applies. And really, it's the kind of detail that needs proper sourcing anyway, even if all the people involved were dead.

Now, as for sources, did you read the two pages I linked to at Talk:Selena? If not, have a look and see if things are any clearer. If you're still not sure, let me know some examples of sources you want to cite and I'll help you with it.--Beloved Freak 17:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I already reply to your message, I'm still waiting for you to answer back. AJona1992 (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's my answer above. :) Do you have some examples of magazine sources you want to use? Then i can show you how to format them as citations.--Beloved Freak 19:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok from the "Death of Selena" I got that information from VH1's "Famous Crime Scene: Selena" other magazines that I use that has Selena information are TV Y Novelas, People, People en espanol, Entertainment Weekly, TV Y Notas, People Special Books (Gone Too Soon, American Murders, and Famous Great Lives) and that's just some examples of magazines she has appered on. AJona1992 (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so for the television episode, you can use a template like {{Cite episode}}, and fill it in something like this (I got the details from IMDb):

{{Cite episode | title = Selena | episodelink = | series = Famous Crime Scene | serieslink = Famous Crime Scene | credits = Director: Christopher Martin | network = [[VH1]] | airdate = March 12, 2010 | season = 1 | number = 5 | minutes = | quote = }}

This would show up in the references like this:

Christopher Martin (March 12, 2010). "Selena". Famous Crime Scene. Season 1. Episode 5. VH1. {{cite episode}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |episodelink= (help); Unknown parameter |serieslink= ignored (|series-link= suggested) (help)

If possible, you can add the point at which the relevant piece of information appears in the episode, by putting the number of minutes into it, in the "minutes" field of the template. That's kind of the equivalent of citing page numbers in a book. It makes it easier for a reader to find the information in the source. For the magazines, you can use a template like {{Cite journal}}, making sure to add page numbers, author names, date, issue number, publisher etc. Have a go, and let me know if you need some more help.--Beloved Freak 20:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Like at the end, under references? AJona1992 (talk) 21:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, where do you mean? --Beloved Freak 22:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should I place the citations below the reference section of any article? AJona1992 (talk) 22:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping to help things

Hello AJona. As a regular at the FAR page I noticed that you are involved in the review of Selena. Now, you said "everyone is always negative about my edits to that page." I looked at the article's history and, while you have been editing it for its benefits, I do however see inexperience. Also, Death of Selena, an article you created about her terrible murder, is a little unnecessary. I like that it could be made into a Good Article like Death of John Lennon. But in its current condition, merging with the Selena article is probably the best thing to do. With that all being said, I would like to help you on Wikipedia. I would be mentoring you on ways to have more experience. If you wish to not ask for help, I understand. GamerPro64 (talk) 04:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well at first, I created a sandbox for "Death of Selena" until I had suitable sources. But since you think that it would be best to merge it in the article, the only thing that is bothering me is that all that information might be shrunk, removed, or just only the lead will be on that section. I would consider that article being merged if all that work can be merged into the Selena article. I would like you to help me, I love getting help from other contributers here, so thank you. AJona1992 (talk) 16:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After comparing the two articles together, the Selena article has most of everything the other article has. However, I could see that the part about her dying two days before her anniversary with her husband being added to the main article. GamerPro64 (talk) 17:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok well I'm talking about the timeline as well, would it be in a list format or an article written format? I am still waiting to see if I can use footnotes for the unsourced information give from Magazines and TV Specials. AJona1992 (talk) 18:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]