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194.117.133.118

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Please see your talk page. 194.117.133.118 11:05 Dec 23, 2002 (UTC)

I somehow suspect that the bit about Giscard is a bit biased. David.Monniaux 21:07, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Humor?

I know humor is usually not the intended effect in the Wikipedia. I hope the humor inherent in the following juxtapostion is unintended:

With the return of democracy in 1993, Kolingba declared a general amnesty for all prisoners as one of his final acts as president. Bokassa was released on August 1. He had seventeen wives and a reported fifty children. He died of a heart attack.

--iFaqeer 18:11, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

You may wish to edit this entry in List of Dictators. Wizzy…☎ 21:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming to Jean-Bedel Bokassa

Shouldn't this article be renamed to Jean-Bédel Bokassa. I mean, he wasnt really an emperor after all, and a google search for "Bokassa I of Central Africa" (omitting Wikipedia) returns 3 links. Well, I'll go ahead and rename it. --Ezeu 03:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it doesn't really matter what google turns up. He was officially an Emperor, that was his official title. Past monarchs have not even ruled or reigned, yet they have thier regnal names and such for their article names. Surely Bokassa exerted more political power than, say, Napoleon II of France? I see no logical reason as to why this should not be called "Bokassa I of Central Africa". That was his name. --The Gonz 15:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree, he was recognised by France Switzerland and the U.S. and ruled for three years. No question he was also a tyrant, murderer and all around dick, but that has little to do with the fact of his name and position. And who says he wasn't really an emperor anyway?, you could say as easily and with as much validity that the Current head of State of any country in the world isn't really the Head of state because you don't like him. The question is whether the person actually was head of state or not, in this case its clear Bokassa was. As I said, he was recognised by democratic Governments and even if he wasn't it wouldn't matter. The Official name of the country changed to the Central African Empire for nearlt three years, Bokassa ruled as an emperor in the traditional sense and there was a massive coronation for him. The fact that he was an evil emeror and a tyrant and ruled for a relatively short period of time changes nothing about the fact he was emperor and the Central African Republic Was an Empire. A good example would be James II of England, his reign was just as short as Bokassa's and he was banished just as effectively, but nobody says he wasn't really King of England during those three years. Just because the Emperor Bokassa was unlikable and a horrible despot changes nothing about whether he was really emperor, you can't rule autocratically for almost three years, be recognised by foreign governments and be crowned Emperor in a lavish coronation ceremony and not really be Emeror because you were a bad person. Its about what was, rather than how things ought to have been. Colin 8 21:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Almanach de Bruxelles (a geneology of non eurpoean royal and imperial houses) refers to Jean-Bedel Bokassa as His Imperial Majesty, Bokassa I, Emperor of Central Africa, his male descendents are princes and are styled as such. If Napoleon Bonaparte is listed as Napoleon I of France then to be accurate and unbiased, Jean-Bedel Bokassa should be Bokassa I of Central Africa, theres enough historical revisionism going around in the world without Wikipedia joining in.
It's perfectly reasonable to go with de facto status. It's also true that the attitude of Westerners to Bokassa and other African dictators is marked as much by racism as genuine concern about their misdeeds: hence a Black man cannot possibly be a "proper" emperor, unlike Napoleon II, for example. However, in this case the fact is that Bokassa only claimed to be emperor for three years and was president for about 11. Hence, I'm sure the decision to rename the page was the right one.Sjwells53 (talk) 09:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support renaming this article to Bokassa I of the Central African Empire. Does anyone know what the procedures for renaming an article are? Jamhaw (talk) 03:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)jamhaw[reply]
  • Apparently this article should be renamed in order to conform to Wiki policy anyway.Please see the guidelines on naming of ex-monarchs here. [1]

Specifically, Rule #7 which states: Former or deposed monarchs should be referred to by their previous monarchical title with the exception of those who are still alive and are most commonly referred to by a non-monarchial title; all former or deposed monarchs should revert to their previous monarchical title upon death; for example, Constantine II of Greece not ex-King Constantine II or Constantine Gluckberg, Edward VIII of the United Kingdom not the Prince Edward, Duke of Windsor, so since he is dead it should be his monarchial title.Jamhaw (talk) 03:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)jamhaw[reply]

Africa doesn't have Emperors or Kings. Africa has tribal chieftains. His proper title is 'Chief Bokassa'.

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99.88.41.188 (talk) 04:14, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You should closely examine the links in this here article. The first linked Website is dedicated to a statesman who served his country with selfless devotion for his service to a nation that desperately needed a firm leadership in an era of widespread governmental corruption who alas was rejected by the people he so loved. I have a feeling that this is NOT was was meant by NPOV. --Janneman 01:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Links, as they are external, do not need to fulfill NPoV. Hence links from a politician's article can go to there own website.--Couter-revolutionary 18:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cannibalism

Is there any information about why such rumors were around about him and why a was he cleared of such charges? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.10.181 (talk • contribs) , at 23:55, 22 April 2007

Bobangi, Moyen-Congo

Bokassa was born in Bobangi, a village in Moyen-Congo, in the present Central African Republic (then a French colony called French Equatorial Africa).

Where is this exactly? The only Bobangi Wikipedia knows is in the present DRC (0° 6.67’ S latitude, 17° 43.26 E longitude, along the banks of the Ubangi River), not in the CAR, and surely Moyen-Congo was in the present ROC (former French Congo). Flapdragon 19:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Jean Bédel Bokassa.jpg

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Dates

The "Foreign Support" section's dates are screwed up. It says that "In early December 1979, the French council officially stopped all support to Bokassa", when he was overthrown in September 1979; and that French support peaked at the time of his coronation, then declined over contacts with Qadhafi, which Bokassa broke off because being a Muslim contradicted his coronation plans. What's the story here? KarlM (talk) 20:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Place of Birth

According to the french wikipedia Bokassa was born in a province named Lobaye. Shouldn't that information be added to the current text? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.78.32 (talk) 20:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was born in Bobangui, which is a village in the Lobaye prefecture. The article now states this. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 21:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

timing doesn't work on this

The timing on "On 10 October 1979, the Canard Enchaîné satiric newspaper reported - in what soon became a major political scandal known as the Diamonds Affair—that President Bokassa had offered the then Minister of Finance Valéry Giscard d'Estaing two diamonds in 1973.[38][39] The Franco-Central African relationship drastically changed when France's Renseignements Généraux intelligence service learned of Bokassa's willingness to become a partner of Qadhafi of Libya. In early December 1979, the French council officially stopped all support to Bokassa." is wrong, he was already overthrown by three months with French aid. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect the key word is "officially". I have no other real source of info, but it would not surprise me if France changed its official line at the first suitable opportunity after changing the facts on the ground. Countries seldom advertise that they are going to carry out a coup in an allied nation in advance.Sjwells53 (talk) 09:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Early years of regime

This section uses phrase "Despite the positive changes in the country..." yet there are no clearly positive descriptions of activities or policies in this period following the coup. Changes described previous to this statement appear to fall only in categories of restrictive and prohibitive laws, and imposing European culture on the society. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.20.234 (talk) 16:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A question on the article title

Why is the article not named Bokassa I of the Central African Empire? Is that not the style to be used as seen in Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom?


I think it was because it was an invented crown. 154.5.223.191 (talk) 04:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • One could say the same of Napoleon but you will note his article is named Napoleon I. The present title really should be changed in my opinion. Jamhaw (talk) 03:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)jamhaw[reply]
  • If we were to rename the article what should it be? Most rulers are named like say William III of England but I noticed that others such as Napoleon III do not have of France behind their name so which would be standard?
  • according to the WP:Manual of Style the current tiltle is common. User:Smith Jones 17:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not certain that I understand you, according to my brief check of Google it seems that Bokassa I is far, far, far more popular that the current Wikipedia title and most other articles of monarchs are based around their regal names (Edward VIII had a far shorter reign but he is still counted as a monarch), and it is not like Bokassa's status as Emperor was more fake than that of any number of other heads of state just because they were unpleasant people. Threadnecromancer (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)Threadnecromancer[reply]
In accordance with MoS, the title should be changed, especially considering he is popularly known simply as Bokassa. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 13:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Army

C-160 Transall Image

The caption of the airplane image is clearly incorrect. The image shows a German Air Force plane, not a French. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.202.79 (talk) 13:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Jean-Bédel Bokassa → Bokassa I of the Central African Empire – Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)) Counter-revolutionary (talk) 12:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - But that is PoV; the CAE was diplomatically recognised (including by the USA and France). As with Napoleon and King Zog, all monarchies begin somewhere. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 20:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but this one ended exactly where it began. It went nowhere. Skinsmoke (talk) 13:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - that is PoV; the CAE was recognised internationally. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nigeria was recognised internationally. I don't see the difference. DrKiernan (talk) 20:56, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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