User talk:Philipjelley

The Cricket Barnstar is awarded to Philipjelley for expanding Ashes articles on the period 1950-1971 **YellowMonkey** (*cricket photo poll!*) paid editing=POV 06:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

English cricket team in Australia in 1954–55‎: Hutton and Cowdrey

Given that you've mentioned that Hutton bet on Wilson scoring more runs than Cowdrey, it might be worth redressing the balance by mentioning that Hutton seems to have treated Cowdrey very well - indeed with much more consideration than senior players such as Bedser. I know that Cowdrey said in his autobiography that, as a young player on his first tour, he was very grateful at the way Hutton took him under his wing, especially when his father died during the course of the tour (or it might have been during the sea voyage out). I'd dig out a reference, but I have a heavy feverish cold today and don't feel like doing anything too taxing. JH (talk page) 18:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recall reading anything that Hutton treated Cowdrey better than the other young players. Keith Miller wrote that Hutton compained that the young players didn't ask him for advice and that they disliked his grumpy moods. Graveney wrote Hutton would just look straight through you as if you weren't there and by all accounts he was pretty wound up during the tour. Cowdrey's father died on the voyage out and it is mentioned in MCC tour of Australia in 1954–55 if you want to add something there. It also has Douglas Jardine giving Cowdrey some farewell advice and Hutton telling the young players that they had little chance of playing in the Tests. Regards,Philipjelley (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely remember seeing it in Cowdrey's autobiography, and also I think somewhere else. I'm aware that isn't much help. JH (talk page) 19:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't read that and I am loathe to put it in without a direct ref as it was against Hutton's character as usually described. I'll look up Tyson when I get home tomorrow, as he mentions MCC receiving the news in Eye of the Typhoon.Philipjelley (talk) 19:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've managed to find something in Hutton's Wisden obituary. The tributes to him at the end of the article included: Colin Cowdrey: "I was just so lucky to play my earlier matches in the England side under his captaincy. He took all the trouble in the world to help me on my way." JH (talk page) 19:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've also found an article in The Hindu, the most prestigious Indian newspaper, which includes: Michael Colin Cowdrey was the baby of the English team when in the Melbourne Test in 1954-1955, the third of his Test career, he made a brave, match-winning century. The 22-year-old had received news of his father's death at the start of the tour, but soldiered on, thanks to the advice and encouragement from his young teammate Peter May and father figure and captain Len Hutton. It was uncharacteristic of Hutton, who because he was so shy found social interaction difficult. But he seems to have been moved by Cowdrey's plight. JH (talk page) 19:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Thanks. JH (talk page) 19:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That's very purple indeed. :) JH (talk page) 21:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Unfortunately, images are a minefield. In general, they can only be used on this site if they meet PD-US, as wikipedia is hosted in America and so must meet American laws. This usually means they were published before 1923; it is necessary to be able to prove this (i.e. give a page ref for a book published before 1923). However, Australian images are slightly different, as you have seen. But for them to be used on wikipedia, they must also meet PD-US. Owing to a trade agreement in 1996, all Australian images which were out of copyright in 1996 are also PD-US; in effect, this means any Australian image published before 1946 is OK, but anything after that is not. So, unfortunately, anything post-1946 is not allowed. And I think it is even more complicated than that. Any images which do not meet this should be deleted, although there are many on the site which should not be (including the Hutton article: they will all have to go... Sigh). The only way around all this is to use the Fair Use law, but that is messy and I'm only just getting my head around it myself. Finally, on a FA such as Hammond, it is necessary to be much tighter than on all the other articles. Hope this clears it up, but there are many, many better people to ask about images. Jappalang is one of the best. Hope this helps. --Sarastro1 (talk) 07:21, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The pre-war articles aren't up to much, so it would be great if you could do something. Even the article on the 1932—33 article is not up to much (as opposed to the Bodyline article which is FA). --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your question to YM

Hello Philipjelley. About your question at User talk:YellowMonkey#Don Bradman Links. YM is inactive at this time. You will have more luck asking the question elsewhere. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I came here to say the same thing. However, don't be put off by the protection icon, the article is only semi-protected, so you should be able to make these edits yourself. If you've tried to edit and it wouldn't let you, let me know. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thnaks, I have made the changes as listed on the Don Bradman Discussion page linking him to the 1946-47 Ashes series. Philipjelley (talk) 16:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Umpiring in XXXX Ashes series articles

Hi Philipjelley, I have just found the Umpiring in the XXXX Ashes series articles. I must say that I don't like them, as in my opinion, they are questionable in POV, seem to reliable on possibly unreliable sources and are only borderline encyclopedic. I have raised the issue at WT:CRIC, to see how other cricket editors feel. Please reply there, to ensure that we only have one discussion on this, not fragmented in two places. Regards, The-Pope (talk) 14:18, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with the 1974-75 series as the only umpiring problem was the application of Law 46, which can be dealt with in the main text. I would stand by Umpiring in the 1946-57, 1958-59 and 1970-71 series as these were more varied and too long to place in the relevant Ashes article. Someone has suggested that the 1946-47 umpiring should be cut into several articles, but having an article on lbw decisions in a single Test series would be unsuitable in my opinion. Philipjelley (talk) 22:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This debate is on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 73, but there appears to be only one objector. My suggestion that the 1974-75 Umpiring be deleted has met with no response. Philip Jelley (talk) 22:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

English team in Australia in 1958-9

"PS Do we really need to reduce all paragraphs to two sentances?" In general I'd say no, but the first half dozen or so sentences in the lead are mostly pretty long and contain a lot of information. JH (talk page) 21:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some queries

Hi. ONE: Do you have a justification for capitalising Fourth Test here? My Google on <ashes "First Test"> showed lower case used every time. The Oxford editors' dictionary allows "Test match (one cap)", but I can't see any reason to capitalise any other initials. It also appears to be inconsistent usage within Wikipedia. TWO: Why did you decide to delete Bailey's photo here? Will you not be allowing any of the other players' photos to be included? If layout/spacing is the problem, why not move to a gallery solution? Bailey was one of the distinctive players in that team, as were Graveney, Edrich, Compton, Appleyard etc, whose pics surely ought to be there, too. THREE: I appreciate what you're trying to achieve here, but the source of the quote looked much better (at least on my screen) the way it was before. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 15:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]