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A fact from Rape in Pakistan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 July 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that according to lawyer Asma Jahangir, up to seventy-two percent of women in police custody in Pakistan are physically or sexually abused?

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Mukhtaran Bibi

The lack of explanation about Mukhtaran Bibi in this article is a major problem.

By saying "The rape of Mukhtaran Bibi", you treat the event of her rape as if she was a well-known person who was publicly raped, so that the whole world immediately knew and was shocked.

It is like saying "The assassination of Mahatma Gandhi"

But tt wasn't like that. The event of her rape meant nothing to anyone, except her and her family.

It was her actions after the event that drew the attention of the world to the problem.

Amandajm (talk) 02:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The last edit that I just made typifies the fact that this article does not give credit to the action of Mukhtaran Bibi.

Why was a recent event, 2011, listed at the top of the historically important cases, above the case that actually drew the problem to notice?

Amandajm (talk) 02:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A major aspect of the problem of rape in Pakistan is the official attitude. I have just inserted that part of the case of Mukhtaran Bibi that illustrates the "official attitude".

Amandajm (talk) 02:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable source tagged

I have tagged as "unreliable" the statement about the "72 percent" figure of abuse in police custody, attributed to Asma Jahangir via Goodwin, Jan (2002). Price of Honor: Muslim Women Lift the Veil of Silence on the Islamic World. Plume. p. 51. ISBN 978-0452283770.. The reason for this tag is twofold:

Goodwin apparently does not give his own source, i.e. the publication in which Jahangir herself has made this claim. This is important because the claim is an ostensibly precise one: if Jahangir gave an exact-sounding figure (72%, rather than, say, 71% or 73%), the only legitimate reason she could have arrived at such a figure is if she did an empirical study – i.e. she investigated a systematic sample of people and 72 was the result she found in her sample. If she did that, it is vital that we should be able to know her methodology (how was the sample obtained; how were the women questioned, etc.) In the absence of this information, we have no way of telling whether Jahangir's claim is itself a reliable source. And, crucially, the very fact that Goodwin fails to provide this informationipso facto disqualifies himself as a reliable source too. No serious academic publication worth its salt would ever cite such a figure without citing its source; ergo, Goodwin is not a serious academic publication.
The problem is made worse by the fact that Goodwin is also sloppy in his wording. He says that 72% are "physically and sexually abused". What does the "and" mean here? Is he really claiming that 72% is the figure of those who are abused both sexually and in other physical ways? If that were the case, does that mean the actual figure of victims who are abused in either of the two ways but not both is even higher? Or that every single victim suffers both forms of abuse, but never only one of them? Or does he really mean "or"? Is this the total figure of all forms of abuse combined, and the actual figure of sexual abuse is somewhere lower than that?

We need to get the original source where Jahangir made those statements herself; then we can see. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, it is very disappointing that a claim as questionable as this one could be selected as the hook of yesterday's DYK – especially with the additional blow to logic inherent in the "up to" wording, when that logical shortcoming had been pointed out well in time on the nomination page [1]. One has to ask, what are those DYK people thinking these days? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

Minar-e-pakistan you are adding WP:OR to this article, and also misrepresenting sources. For instance, how does the source used support this[2] edit? I urge you self revert and begin discussion. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss only current content from top newspaper dawn. Removed past content. Minar-e-pakistan (talk) 15:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

this is a proper addition [3] to the article I don't think their should be any issue --sarvajna (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much sarvajna. Minar-e-pakistan (talk) 16:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is the only proper addition you have made, there are several issue with your additions to Cinema of Pakistan. Please self revert.--sarvajna (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edit

Darkness Shines, you have left out the Dawn newspaper citation I added about the village Panchayat indulging in a tit for tat punishment, due to which, unfortunately, the sister of the man who eloped with his girl-friend got gang-raped. Isn't it notable enough to be added to this article?—Khabboos (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did not restore in because it has no place in the lede, nor the article. Read WP:UNDUE Darkness Shines (talk) 15:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]