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File:FESFUT logo.svg

Non-free logo being used in Salvadoran Football Federation, El Salvador national beach soccer team, El Salvador national football team, El Salvador national under-17 football team, El Salvador national under-20 football team, El Salvador national under-21 football team, El Salvador national under-23 football team, and El Salvador women's national football team. A non-free use rationale is provided for each usage, but such logos are generally only considered NFCC compliant in the main federation/association article per No. 17 of WP:NFC#UUI and the minimal usage required by WP:NFCC#3. The main federation/association is typically considered to be the "parent" entity and the teams are considered to be "child" entities. This has been almost always been the consensus in other FFD/NFCR discussion about similar logos, and I don't see how this is any exception. So, suggest keep in "Salvadorian Football Federation" and remove from the individual team articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I was unable to notify the uploader of the file of this discussion because their user talk page has been protected. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:New York Cosmos originalcrest.png

This team logo was the first logo used by the New York Cosmos (1970–85), which was changed to File:New York Cosmos 77.png. However, this logo is almost identical to the later logo that is in the article, with the only difference the inclusion of New York in the logo. This file is not necessary to explain the team logos or to illustrate it. This is a carryover from the old WP:NFCR, discussion here Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:30, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping to @Oknazevad:, @Marchjuly: and @Masem: - Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:33, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just to going to repost what I said at that discussion, so people don't have to jump between pages: There is no current logo, as it is an article on a historical team. More importantly, though, the discussion in the article explicitly covers the placement and and font choices for the words on the logo, the original logo. So the original logo needs to be illustrated for the passage to make sense. Also, the change in logo does illustrate the (temporary) change in name, which is discussed in the full team history above. But in general, for a section dedicated to discussing the design of the team's two logos through its history to not include both logos seems like a silly claim. oknazevad (talk) 04:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between two versions, which only change in the words used, is really pushing NFCC#3. While there is discussion that the "New York Cosmos" was dropped to just "Cosmos", one does not need to see both logos to recognize that difference. Note that there is clearly sufficient discusion for one of the logos, moreso than most other logo uses, but I really don't think we can justify both if the only change is wording. --MASEM (t) 04:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)I'm not sure if the difference between the two logos is significant enough for both to be needed per WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#3a. The only real difference I can see between the two is that original logo says "New York Cosmos" and the other simply says "Cosmos". I think this is more than adequately explained by the sentence "The text on the logo was shortened to "Cosmos" in 1977, concurrently with the team's dropping of the "New York" label. The city name was restored two years later, but the badge remained unchanged." without seeing both logos. All of the discussion about fonts, colors and "three color blades" can still be understood without seeing both logos since the badge itself remained unchanged. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:18NightsOfBruce.jpg

Non-free poster art being used in Bruce Springsteen with The Seeger Sessions Band Tour#Commercial and critical reaction. File has a non-free use rationale which states "To illustrate the attempt to broaden the audience of the tour's American leg, by hooking up with AOL and its customer base", but I do not see why a this particular poster needs to be seen to understand that. The file's caption says "To increase publicity, AOL broadcast a different song's performance nightly during the American leg of the tour." which is unsourced and content that should be directly added to the article itself if relevant (AOL is not mentioned a single time in the article other than the file's caption). Suggest remove per WP:NFCC#8 since the image itself is not the subject of any sourced commentary so the contextual significance it needs is lacking and per WP:NFCC#1 since text could be added to the article to say "AOL broadcast a different song's performance nightly ...." to serve the same encyclopedic purpose per item "b" in WP:FREER. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:39, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:1952 Summer Olympics.jpg

Non-free poster art being used in 1952 Summer Olympics#Sports. file has a non-free use rationale, but the poster itself is not the subject of any sourced commentary and is simply being used for decorative purposes in an embedded list section. Suggest remove per WP:NFCC#8, unless there is some way to convert this to a free license. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:48, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:1st World Scout Jamboree poster.png

Non-free poster art being used in 1st World Scout Jamboree#Olympia and camping. File has a non-free use rationale, but I don't think it's current usage satisfies WP:NFCC#8 because the poster itself is not the subject of any sourced commentary within the article. I do think that this may possibly be resolved by simply moving the poster to the main infobox per its non-free use rational. Another possibility is that this file may be old enough for {{PD-US-1923-abroad}}. The jamboree was held in the summer of 1920 which means that this has to have been created before then, doesn't it? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a promotional poster made before the event to publicize the event. Mine was scanned from a book 5000 miles away.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:1954 Football World Cup poster.jpg

Non-free poster art being used in 1954 FIFA World Cup#Seeding. File has a non-free use rationale, but the rationale states the file is "Used in the infobox/header of the article to identify the tournament" which is not the case at all. Since the poster itself is not the subject of any sourced commentary, current usage lacks the contextual significance required by WP:NFCC#8. Suggest remove from the article, unless this is possibly old enough for public domain or some other type of free license. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:14, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:Finland 50th anniversary of the Helsinki Olympic Games 10Euro Reverse.JPG

Non-free image being used in 1952 Summer Olympics#50th anniversary coin and Helsinki Olympic Stadium. File has a non-free use rationale, but it seems to be an attempt to combined three separate uses into one rationale so I don't think this passes WP:NFCC#10c. There are other NFCC problems besides 10c. Files use in "1952 Summer Olympics" seems OK since there is some discussion of the coin itself, but none of it is sourced discussion so it could be removed per WP:NOR and thus taking away the contextual significance required by WP:NFCC#8. Coin is also discussed in Helsinki Olympic Stadium#History, but once again none of the content is supported by a reliable source. I don't think the file really needs to be used in both articles since they basically say the same thing and feel file is more appropriate for "1952 Summer Olympics" provided some reliable sources are added in support. Suggest keep for "1952 Summer Olympics" on the condition that reliable sources are added in support of the content of the relevant section, and remove from "Helsinki Olympic Stadium" since the wikilink to the "50th anniversary coin" can be added instead, unless it is possible that this can be licensed as {{PD-FinlandGov}}. If so, then there would be no need to worry about WP:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Finnish coins are probably {{PD-FinlandGov}}, but per c:COM:ART#Photograph of an old coin found on the Internet, we need permission from the photographer. Since we don't have this, the picture violates WP:NFCC#1. --Stefan2 (talk) 07:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Stefan2: Would this resolve the NFCC#1 issues for the image of the coin? It appears to be an official document of the Bank of Finland. Would the content of such a document qualify as "PD-FinlandGov"?-- Marchjuly (talk) 07:22, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Possibly. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:10am Spanish Mass (2008).jpg

This nomination is only for the "6 April 2015" revision. There is no source to verify copyright status for the image that was uploaded over the top of the church mass image. The live version of the image has been reverted back to the church image. The 6 April 2015 revision should be deleted unless someone can confirm source/copyright and split the image onto a new page. Nick⁠—⁠^Contact/_Contribs 07:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:5th Avenue Records, Inc home office.jpg

Low Resolution; uploaded by a promotional account, likely copyvio (multiple tineye hits: [1]) FASTILY 10:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:Stanley Donen - On the Town-1.jpg

Obviously invalid PD claim. Uploader says image was published between 1923 and 1977 without a copyright notice, but the source image is clearly dated 1996. We have no information about the original publication of the image, and cannot determine whether it carried a copyright notice. If the 1996 publication is the first, no copyright notice was required. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006. (talk) 12:59, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:Dave Barrett.jpg

Fails WP:NFCC#8 in New Democratic Party leadership election, 1989. Steel1943 (talk) 13:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:American Go Association (logo).jpg

I can't find any evidence that the association uses this logo. No source was provided by the uploader, and all links from the article American Go Association (such as the link to the company's website) either use a different logo or no logo at all. This is either a fake logo or a former logo. If it is a former logo, then it's better to retag as {{PD-textlogo}}.On the other hand, if it is a fake logo, then we should delete the file. Stefan2 (talk) 14:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]