Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
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1RR restriction lifted. EdJohnston (talk) 23:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC) |
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I'm not a veteran of AE, but I believe this is not the usual type of AE request. WP:AC/DS was very recently amended to explicitly allow editors to request removal/modification of DS page restrictions at AE. I'd like to request the removal of restrictions on Carter Page. As far as I can tell that page has seen zero disruption from the start and was only subjected to DS restrictions preemptively on April 12 because the subject was associated with Donald Trump. However, Mr. Page had been in the news in connection with Trump for months before that with no disruption. In fact the article has been pretty darn sleepy. I see no basis for maintaining DS restrictions. In an abundance of caution I'm sending an AE notice to the imposing admin, who is on an indefinite wikibreak. They rejected my request to remove the restrictions. I hold nothing against them; I think their general approach to page restrictions is reasonable, but I just happen to disagree in some instances, and I hope a consensus of admins will agree with me. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Carter PageStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by SagecandorAgree with EdJohnston. The restrictions should not be removed. Also agree with EdJohnston that it hopefully helps encourage more talk page discussion. The topic is subject to an active investigation ongoing and to be elaborated upon more in testimony upcoming later this week. That would lead to increased activity and likely increased controversy. As for the question posed by GoldenRing, the restrictions are not posing harm to the article and could hopefully only prove to encourage others to discuss proposals more with each other. Sagecandor (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by SandsteinCommenting here because I have created the article and have on occasion continued to edit it. I have not observed editorial (mis)conduct that would warrant particular page-level sanctions, and would therefore favor removing them. Sandstein 10:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC) Discussion among uninvolved administrators
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Md iet
Topic ban lifted per consensus. --NeilN talk to me 14:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by Md ietNow I understand the importance of reliable sources and why it is required for a reliable encyclopedia like of Wikipedia. My earlier mistake was due to confusion that real facts are self qualified for inclusion with mere justification. No justifications are valid without valid proof. My editing after my unblock indicates the clear change. I think more than one year is sufficient period and method of contribution to Wikipedia during the period also need consideration to give me a chance for this appeal to contribute further to Wiki
Statement by EdJohnstonAs the banning admin, I am OK with lifting User:Md iet's topic ban from the Dawoodi Bohra. Before doing so I'll wait to see if any of the admins commenting below have concerns about Md iet's editing and want to keep the ban in place. The original dispute was about whether to declare a specific contender as the new head of the Dawoodi Bohra. That dispute is now mostly over since the rival candidate died. I haven't noticed any recent edits by Md iet that would cause concern, so the ban no longer seems necessary. I trust that Md iet will be aware that any changes about the Dawoodi Bohra have to be neutral and must not be promotional. The topic of female genital mutilation as practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra remains controversial and any changes should have consensus. EdJohnston (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 1)Statement by (involved editor 2)Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Md iet
Result of the appeal by Md iet
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Al-Andalusi
Al-Andalusi is banned from all edits and pages related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed, for a period of six months. GoldenRing (talk) 08:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Al-Andalusi
Discussion concerning Al-AndalusiStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Al-AndalusiStatement by IcewhizMy personal opinion, as a participant in "Acid Throwing" was that most of Al-Andalusi's editing wasn't helpful. I'd like to point out that he also committed a 1RR violation in these diffs: [14] - Revision as of 21:18, 2 June 2017 - blanket return of information. which was a 2nd revert in relation to piecemeal removal of the same items 8 hours earlier: [15] [16] (besides being against talk-page consensus, particularly "Suyuf al-Haq" (Swords of Righteousness) which was discussed at length) He was asked by me to self-revert: [17]. His response was to delete (without archiving I believe) the request from his talk page: [18]. This is material clearly under the I/P area - particularly the 2nd revert of an acid attack by a Palestinian on a Jewish family.Icewhiz (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Al-Andalusi
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Al-Andalusi
Al-Andalusi is blocked for a week for violating their topic ban. Sandstein 09:56, 9 June 2017 (UTC) |
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He got topic banned from all Palestine-Israel articles hardly a few hours ago, and he has violated the topic ban already by writing on the talk page regarding the same West Bank and Gaza Strip section. The talk sections concerns his edits[21][22] where the same paragraph goes to mention First Intifada, and other one describes attacks on Israeli family by Palestinian as part of Israel-Palestine conflicts. Al-Andalusi also made personal attack on other editor "are you being dramatic here like the vinegar family?"[23] This comes after his acknowledgement of topic ban on his talk page.[24] Capitals00 (talk) 00:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Al-AndalusiStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Al-AndalusiNonsense. My comments came under talk sections concerning acid thrown within Gaza, and in no way are about the Palestine-Israel conflict. The 1st section "More than 18 attacks" describes acid attacks on Gaza residents, while the 2nd section "Hamas' reaction" describes Hamas torture allegations in Gaza. Now, if it is your belief that Gaza is part of Israel, and hence any discussion involving Gaza entails that I "violated" an alleged topic ban that I did not agree to, then that's an entirely different story. Al-Andalusi (talk) 03:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by Uanfala
Statement by IcewhizCommenting as I was a side to this. Two quick notes: 1. Gaza, in the 80s (some of this actually pre-dates the first Intifada (1983), some during) was under Israeli civil and military control - Israel was in charge of law and order in the territory and for preventing attacks, preventing them, and dispensing justice. I personally, saw/see this as part of the I/P area and adhered to 1RR and other ARBPIA in all edits related to the West Bank and Gaza in Acid Throwing. (note that in a technical sense, Israel is still claimed by some (International bodies, Palestinians) of still being the occupying power in Gaza today (also after disengagement) - so it is possible that current Palestinian/Palestinian issues in Gaza are still I/P. In the 1980s - Israel was in actual full or almost full control). 2. But, I will want to note that Al-Andalusi was being constructive in some of his comments - and this was a discussion that was on-going parallel to the enforcement case (I believe the discussion started before the enforcement action). I agreed with some of his comments - and edited them in myself. He also stuck to the talk page. One of the mentioned diffs is a thanks for an edit.Icewhiz (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Al-Andalusi
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Al-Andalusi
Appeal declined by a 4-0 vote. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by Al-AndalusiPasted here from User talk:Al-Andalusi on behalf of Al-Andalusi GoldenRing (talk) 21:59, 9 June 2017 (UTC) I reject Sandstein's claims that I violated a topic ban. He claims that my edit is in violation because Hamas "is an actor in the Arab-Israeli conflict". However, the nature my talk page edit concerned an internal Palestinian event with regards to torturing Palestinians. To me, this is unrelated to the Israel/Palestine conflict. Secondly, Sandstein claims that I contributed to a talk page section titled "2014 Acid Attack in West Bank" and that my contribution was on how to cover acid attacks by Palestinians against Israelis. This is patently false and I ask that the reviewer of this unblock appeal to review my edit here. It comes under a section titled "More than 18 attacks" (which I created btw long before the topic ban), which concerns acid attacks carried out by Mujama al-Islamiya in Gaza in the 1980s, a local issue as far as I'm concerned. The talk page section titled "2014 Acid Attack in West Bank" that Capitals00 (originator of the enforcement request) and Sandstein claimed that I contributed to is somewhere else on the talk page Talk:Acid throwing#2014 Acid Attack in West Bank, where you won't find my alleged edit. It is a shame that Sandstein would take Capitals00's words at face value and not bother with verifying the claims. Al-Andalusi (talk) 14:46, 9 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by SandsteinI have commented further on this block on my talk page, and recommend declining the appeal. Sandstein 05:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by Zero0000I think Al-Andalusi is skating on very thin ice here and that his two edits were asking for trouble. That said, Sandstein's justification is highly dubious, especially the part "Al-Andalusi mentions Hamas, which is an actor in the Arab-Israeli conflict". It is elementary that something that does not involve Israel also doesn't involve the Israel-Palestine conflict. Would we apply ARBPIA to, say, this article on Israeli food on the grounds that "Israel is an actor in the Arab-Israeli conflict"? Of course not. The rest of the justification seems to be that the edits concern text that is adjacent to text about the Arab-Israeli conflict. What sort of argument is that? Zerotalk 03:07, 10 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by Capitals00I would recommend obvious decline. Sandstein's justification was correct. Its like similar to saying that if a user is banned from India-Pakistan conflicts, they are not allowed to talk about Lashkar-e-Taiba as well. Al-Andalusi should instead edit something like Party of the Danes, that has to do nothing with Israel-Arab conflicts. Capitals00 (talk) 03:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by DebresserThe violation was on a talkpage, and seems to have been based on an honest misunderstanding. It would have been enough to simply explain his mistake to Al-Andalusi, and no block would have been necessary. I recommend to retract whatever is left of the block, since block should not be punitive. Debresser (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC) Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Al-AndalusiResult of the appeal by Al-Andalusi
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Cannot be processed in this form. Sandstein 18:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC) |
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El_C
No action taken. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 10:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning El_C
There was a Rfc on the Jewish diaspora talkpage. After it was closed,[39] there arose a difference of interpretation regarding in how far editors are at liberty to make changes to the version that was endorsed by the Rfc, based on the fact hat both the proposal that was accepted[40] as well as the closing statement of the Rfc[41] specifically mentioned that the accepted version was not binding verbatim and tweaks and other general improvements can be made. A minor edit war ensued, in the middle of which El_C decided to enact the Consensus required provision.[42] The version on the page at that moment was my version, so when it was changed,[43] I had all right to revert, which I did.[44] Only after that happened, El_C decided that the version he would like to see preserved for the time being is not my version,[45] and now he demands I revert and threatens me with sanction should I not revert my version.[46][47] I explained on on the talkpage, that he can not demand I revert an edit which I was entitled to make according to the very same sanction he imposed, but he insists, and has at a matter of fact issued a ban for me for that article,[48], which I do not recognize,[49] since I consider it a mistake (I won't go as far as to call it abuse of admin privileges) As I see it, El_C is at liberty to revert my edit himself, if he is of the opinion that the other version is for whatever reason preferable to mine, but by all rules of Wikipedia, including the very consensus required provision he decided to enact, I was in my rights to made the edit I made and can not be sanctioned for that. I ask for your opinions, and, in case you agree with me, to explain this to El_C and annul the 72 hour article ban. Further discussion with admins and other editors by Debresser@GoldenRing @El_C If I were warned for general edit warring, which I wasn't, you might have a point. Even though in that case, I'd insist that Dailycare be sanctioned as well, since he reverted me just as many times as I reverted him. And frankly, I don't think that one revert on June 4, one on June 6, and one on June 10 (or Dailycare's reverts on June 5, June 9 and June 13) is enough reason to sanction an editor for edit warring. That is just not enough of an edit war. But the issue here is that I was sanctioned for violating a "no reverts without discussion" rule, that was incorrectly applied. Even El_C has already admitted on his talkpage that he now understands how he misrepresented that rule, so I suggest he officially takes back the invalid ban he enacted, and clarifies what restrictions precisely he want to put in place on that article. Debresser (talk) 18:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC) Discussion concerning El_CStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by El_CReturning to the edit war version of March 13 again on June 10 violated "reverted material can't be reinstated without consensus." ("Mass," "some"—RfC) El_C 17:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by Seraphim SystemI think Debresser should add evidence to his complaint showing that consensus supports his version, or this should be dismissed for lack of evidence. My read on the talk page is clear consensus against the language Debresser wants to include ("some historians"). Apparently, the definition of consensus Debresser is basing this complaint on is
Statement by SagecandorI'm not seeing evidence that El_C is involved here, merely assessing consensus of a discussion. Unfortunately, the edit history even only for the last 50 edits shows back-and-forth edit-warring by Debresser, going back to March 2017 [53]. Sagecandor (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by DailycareThis complaint appears to revolve around the misconception that Debresser could obtain some advantage to "his version" by edit-warring it in the article, since that was the only reason it happened to be in when the CRP was put in place. The contrary is true, in fact, since edit-warring is penalized, not rewarded. As such, this complaint can be seen as one or more of frivolous, wikilawyering or disruptive in that he is seeking to continue his edit-war crusade in favour of a text ("some") that is trivially contrary to WP:NPOV. WP:BOOMERANG could be considered here. Debresser has recently received warnings on the 3RR board. --Dailycare (talk) 18:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by NableezyThis a straightforward attempt by Debresser to game the system and it should be rejected. The idea that he can force his version, not the RFC agreed upon version, into the article and then have the gall to demand consensus to change what never had consensus to begin with is at best mildly amusing and at worst a blatant attempt to play the rules against each other. A 72 hr ban here is the definition of a slap on the wrist, and it appears to have been too light a touch if anything. nableezy - 03:31, 14 June 2017 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning El_C
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Ryanfoster99
Blocked one week. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC) |
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