User talk:RHaworth/2018 Oct 24

Cynthia Curry draft speedy deletion

Hello RHaworth, I respectfully ask if you might un-delete or at least send me a copy of my draft on Cynthia Curry. Dr Curry is an internationally recognized medical geneticist. Given that there are so few women physicians profiled in Wikipedia, I felt that it was important to write a biographical entry on her. I might ask your advice on the issue of third party references because as a doctor and researcher, Dr Curry's work has been extensively published in peer-reviewed journals. I have been unable to understand the reviewers' comments that the references I had used were Dr Curry's own works. However, the point here is that Dr Curry's publications have passed through rigorous editorial peer-review in prestigious journals. In other words, the references are not self-publications because they (the publications) have been vetted by the scientific community prior to publication. This situation does not apply only to Dr Curry but to all research physicians and research scientists. Thus, I have been at a loss as to how to address the reviewers' concerns. Any advice you could give me would be greatly appreciated, and hopefully you will afford me the opportunity to elevate this draft to an acceptable version. Thank you so much. Stephen Elliott ExNeddiesBoy (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

• So which of your references were significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject? Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Deleted Draft:Louis Carter (CEO Coach)

Hello RHaworth, You deleted the page Draft:Louis Carter (CEO Coach). Firstly, I wrote only facts that I found online. The story on Forbes had all the information mentioned in the content, I gave source of Amazon for his books. I was not promoting anybody. I was ready to rectify my mistake (which I don't know what was) so I moved it to draftspace where I could edit the content taking help from Wiki live moderators. Now there is no chance to edit, how do I re-work on it? Please help -- AlphaKGN (talk) 17:46, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@RHaworth: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Now I will wait what moderators have to say and will make the edits accordingly. Wish me luck. Thanks again -- AlphaKGN (talk) 14:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Trollbeads

You have marked Trollbeads as a page that cannot be created?? No specifics as to why it was rejected and now its prevented from being created?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LisaLovstrom90 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

• "No specifics"!! Read this - I can see seven specifics. If draft:Trollbeads is accepted, then unprotection of the mainspace title will be uncontroversial. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

definitely NOT copyright infringement

Mr. Haworth, You deleted our page predictive profiling alleging it was a copyright infringement. It is definitely not. We replied by explaining that in fact, we created and published the Wikipedia Predictive Profiling page back in 2010 while the article cited [1]was published only in 2017. Clearly, we could not have copied something that had not yet been written. RIGHT?

Our company came up with the term Predictive Profiling in 2002; it's entirely our own. I'm hoping that resurrecting our precious page will just take a few strokes on your part. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Cham2010 (talk) 22:59, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)

RHaworth, I think he has a point. The Jerusalem Post appears to have copied their material from Wikipedia, not the other way round. The Wikipedia material existed before that jpost article was published. The Foenix Protection Services course description also mentioned in the G12 tag looks like it was published around 2015 but the Wikipedia article had the same text since the article's creation in 2010. Both sources appear to have copied from Wikipedia.

I would caution Cham2010 that any material copied from his company's publications would still be considered a copyvio, because while you may have permission to use it, the Wikimedia Foundation has not been given any formal permission to publish it, and we don't rely on the word of random user accounts. That isn't what was alleged in the G12 tag, though. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Haworth, Yes, you are mistaken in your impression that we are being compensated for our edits. That is not the case. Predictive Profiling is a term and method; it is not for sale. — Cham2010 (talk) 00:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@Cham2010: Exactly who is this "we" you are referring to? Are multiple people using the "Cham2010" account? Do you work for the company that contributed to the article? If so, then you are a paid editor, and you need to disclose that. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• Raise the matter at DRV. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Elena Matei (again)

Hello RHaworth. Sorry for bothering you again, but Draft:Elena Matei (which you deleted recently) has been re-created by a new editor who is unusually aware of our paid editing policies. Though I lack admin goggles, the "new" draft is visually and contextually similar to the last draft, leading me to conclude that User:Joedirosa and his sock accounts [2] have returned to finish their client's article. Note also that checkuser may be of limited use in this scenario, as despite being (on the basis of article's created, editing style, and reaction to being blocked) an obvious sock, Joedirosa and User:Artistseries were editing from different ips per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Joedirosa. -- SamHolt6 (talk) 03:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• Zapped (again). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Need help in creating page about our company

Can you please help me out about the below message as I received it from Wikipedia regarding speedy deletion of my article published by me earlier. Can you also please help me out on how to get our company page got publish on wikipedia,,?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giridhar Surisetti (talk • contribs) 11:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no CoI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft Solarcoin page was deleted

Hi Roger W. Hayworth, Good day to you. Can you please let us know the reason for the deletion of the draft solarcoin page and a speedy way to restore it? Many thanks sir. Best, Luke Link to page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Solarcoin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.44.185.254 (talk) 00:52, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• You cannot copy&paste my name correctly or log in before writing. You do the amazing thing of piping a wikilink to external link format. Why should I talk to you? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Anita Date-Kelkar page

Why the page I created on life of Anita Date-Kelkar deleted. She is Marathi actress currently working in Television show named Mazhya Navryachi Bayko on Zee Marathi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krutika Kene (talk • contribs) 09:53, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• Please read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Refund of Draft:Intel Microcode

Hello RHaworth, please could a refund of Draft:Intel Microcode→User:Sladen/Intel Microcode be performed. — Sladen (talk) 23:03, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Clubs

Why was The Pickwick Club deleted? — GreyDiomed (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Why was The Boston Club deleted? — GreyDiomed (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

• Wikipedia disk space appears to be unlimited but nevertheless taking nine edits to leave the above two messages feels like a waste of space. Have you never noticed the "show preview" button? Please reply? As to your questions, read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Emotional Speech Blocks Deletion Syndrome

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Deletion of Nikolay Nikolaev Todorov

The article in Wikia site was credited by me and I'm the author of the two of this articles. If it's possible take back the original of the draft. — User: Brassmonger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brassmonger (talk • contribs) 09:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• Before anything else you need to ensure that the page at wikibulgaria carries a {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} or compatible licence. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• RHaworth, Draft:Nikolay Nikolaev Todorov wasn't a copyright violation. The wikia page from which this was allegedly copied was created after the wikipedia draft – it was created on 1 Sep [3]; the creation date of the wikipedia draft is a bit difficult to trace because of all the times it has been moved, but I can see a version that is at least a week older. – Uanfala (talk) 11:16, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• As I have already told you: ensure that the page at wikibulgaria carries a {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} or compatible licence. Also, it should acknowledge that the content is copied from Wikipedia. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm a different person from the one that started this thread, RHaworth. My point was that the draft was not a copyright violation. The wikipedia draft was created first; it's immaterial whether the external website that copied it has acknowledged that and it's completely irrelevant what licence it carries. – Uanfala (talk) 20:20, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oops, sorry - you are different. I disagree: if the article was published here with a cc-by-sa then everybody including its author should abide by those terms. But sheer practicality also suggests that to avoid a repetition of a spurious copyvio tagging, it would be a good idea to put a cc tag on the page at wikibulgaria. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Katoomba

Hi RHaworth, thanks for your help on Paragon Cafe, Katoomba and Katoomba railway station. I made a mistake on Katoomba railway station and I'm glad that you caught it. A bunch of the articles using the New South Wales Heritage Register have paragraphs copied from that website. I accidentally targeted Katoomba railway station when I clearly intended another article. I have placed a comment on @Rangasyd:'s talk page as he has been working on these articles, including Paragon Cafe, Katoomba. — Leschnei (talk) 22:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi RHaworth - @Leschnei: incorrectly tagged these articles because he neither read the attribution section or Wikipedia:Copyright, which would have clearly explained to him that it was correctly attributed with a Wikipedia-compatible license. Can you please undelete that article? The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

 Already done Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Neorage X

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Neorage X. Since you had some involvement with the Neorage X redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 01:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Anime and manga

Speedy deletion of Portal:Anime and manga/Anniversaries/November/November 16 Why on Earth did you delete this page? It's not uncommon for portal anniversary pages to have a single entry. Portal pages are not the same as an article. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

• Sorry, portals are not my strong point. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Douglas Bowie

Hi, if you read the note I left in the talk section of Douglas Bowie's page, you will have seen that this is NOT a copyright violation. I am the creator of the Douglas Bowie performancewiki.ca page that Wikipedia is claiming is the copyright violation issue. Douglas Bowie, my father, is the author of the content on BOTH that page AND what has been used to create the Wikpedia page that you deleted. You've also managed to put a lock on the page so I can't recreate it. This s important to him and I would like to get the page completed soon. Can you PLEASE remove the lock and reinstate the page, or allow me to re-create it and stop it from being deleted again. This is very frustrating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abowie84 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended content

*@Abowie84: For one, you have a direct conflict of interest in writing about your father. I invite you to read WP:COI. Two, taking content from a website, even one that you own, is very likely to be content that is not written in a neutral tone. Have a read through WP:NEUTRAL. Three, even if it were prose acceptable to an encyclopedia, we can't accept text taken from a website without direct evidence from the owner of the site that the text is released under a free license. We can't accept the word of an editor on this project. Imagine if you will; let's assume for the moment you are not Doug Bowie's son, and someone having no connection to you were to take the content from that website without permission and post it here. That is directly violating your copyright. Have a read through Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Four; while I certainly don't mean to be rude, your father's desire to have a page here on Wikipedia has no influence on the decision to have one here. -- Hammersoft (talk) 19:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC) @Hammersoft: There is no way for administrators here to have proof that the content was created on Doug's computer by him without significant intrusion into his (or my) privacy, as it would require uploading screenshots of email correspondence and the metadata for the documents used to create the content, and that he gave permission for its use for this page. The decision is incredibly heavy-handed. And, your comments back are, in fact, rather aggressive and rude. You have also discussed the neutrality of the content without reading it. The content is factual and contains a number of citations to other Wikipedia pages, as well as external corroborating sources. It reflects the tone and style of the content displayed on other playwrights' pages that have NOT been deleted from Wikipedia, nor will they be because they follow the rules - as does this one in terms of the content. If this page needs to be created by a colleague of his in order to ensure that it follows the rules, then we can have that done. But it is still possible that some of the material will be from what Doug has written on his website and what appears on his performancewiki.ca page - and there still seems to be no way to prove that he has given permission for its use. How can this challenge be overcome? — Abowie84 (talk) 20:09, 30 September 2018 (UTC) @Abowie84: I'm sorry you feel I've been rude when I rather explicitly stated it was not my intent to be rude. I assure you I have no intention of being so. Text based communication is a very limited form of communication. Please, in the future, assume good faith that I have the best of intentions. Thank you. As your other comments; Without communication from the person who created the content, we have no way of verifying if the content is available under an acceptable license for our use here. All content here, with limited exceptions, must be available under a free license. That's the very nature of this project. You are correct; I have discussed the neutrality of the content without reading it. This is because I am not an administrator and thus can not read deleted content. I was speaking in the abstract; that language used here on encyclopedia articles must be neutral in tone. I was not specifically addressing any content you wrote or copied from elsewhere. As for citations to other Wikipedia pages; we don't cite Wikipedia as a source. See WP:UGC for why. If you or your father wish to donate material to Wikipedia, then please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. -- Hammersoft (talk) 20:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC) @Hammersoft: I generally do give people the benefit of the doubt, particularly over text. But including the comment about your intention unfortunately does not necessarily mean that your comments do not come across in that way. They just seemed to be almost condescending, that's all. We all read things differently, so it's not a big deal. I just voiced the way I received them. No harm done. So, how would one demonstrate that communication had been had between the copyright holder and the author of a particular page? Is there a Wiki page that you can point me to that could assist with that? Donating material does not seem like the appropriate route for this instance. In terms of the content, while I understand your original comment, effort was made to ensure that the tonality was factual and neutral. I reiterated this point many times while the content was being edited (it is not a direct pull from the other sites, so there must have been just part of it that got flagged for copyright issue). I feel like there needs to be a better mechanism for deleting and blocking sites, perhaps where the administrator needs to communicate with the author first before applying the deletion or particularly a block. It seems too easy for administrators to delete pages, without any repercussions for deleting them without cause or consideration. I would like to hear from the individual that placed the block on this. It would have been more responsible and appropriate for them to have communicated with me before doing so, and giving me an understanding of what needed to be modified - and, as you said, giving me the benefit of the doubt (and actually reading the comments I made in the talk section for the page) and allowing me to explain and/or demonstrate that it was not a copyright issue at all. I would have happily had all of this discussion earlier in the process, i.e. before a deletion or block. But, at this point (and I am sure this is the case with many people who have pages deleted unnecessarily), I am frustrated and annoyed because my time has been wasted for no reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abowie84 (talk • contribs)

• @Abowie84: Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials is the place you need to review, in particular WP:DONATETEXT from further down in that page. As for a different procedure on blocking sites; if we allowed site owners to have a say in whether we delete their content on here, we would lose control of the project. Literally hundreds of thousands, even millions, of companies and artistic creators try to get their content onto this project. We simply can not do as you suggest. Yes, it is easy for administrators to delete pages. However, administrators are carefully vetted before they are given such privileges. Administrators are expected to follow our Wikipedia:Deletion policy. If they did not follow that policy, there would likely be repercussions in doing so. From what I can see, Draft:Douglas Bowie was deleted three times in relatively rapid succession for violating the copyright of this page, which clearly notes on the bottom of the page that the license is CC-BY-NC 4.0, which is incompatible with our licensing here. This is a proforma deletion; if text is copied from a source such as this and it is placed here, it will be deleted as we simply will not accept material that is not compatible with our licensing requirements. In this case, it's because of the -NC part. We insist on having material that can be used commercially. I'm going to bow out of this conversation now. I think I've commented on the salient points and pointed you to the appropriate locations. Hopefully I've been of some help. All the best, -- Hammersoft (talk) 22:14, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

• What an inordinate amount of chat. All that needs to be said is to point out the NC clause. In any case Alison, kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no CoI thinks your father is notable and writes about him here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Miss Grand International Page Revival

Hi editor. I have worked on a revival for the page Miss Grand International. I am not sure what the previous edition of the page was, but this is what the new page looks like. Thank you for taking a look at it. — ThatWikipediaEditor (talk) 04:38, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Possibly a bit better. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Deletion TradingView page

Dear Roger W Haworth, I noticed the TradingView article was deleted on August 16 and I was just curious what caused this to happen? Thank you. -- Erik0071 (talk) 08:16, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

At 07:06:23 on that day by Alpha3031 (talk · contribs) applied a {{db-spam}} tag to the article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion candidates do not show up

For example, Category:1099 by country does not show up in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion and Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as empty categories while I tagged the page 13 days ago. Do you have an idea who could help with this problem? — Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Database glitch. I did a null edit of the page and it popped up in CAT:CSD. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

G5 tag

Why you declined the G5 tag on Template:Liaquat Ali Khan[4]? There were no significant contributions by anyone except account that was later blocked as a sock. — Raymond3023 (talk) 09:48, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

• I disagree with {{db-banned}}: if a page is valid, what does it matter who created it? To keep you happy, shall I do the pointless thing of deleting it and immediately re-creating in my own name? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Deleted Draft:TDG Sports Capital

Hello RHaworth, You deleted the page Draft:TDG Sports Capital. I wrote only facts that I found online and confirmed with the co-founders. I am ready to rectify my editing errors, but as the page disappeared, there is no chance to edit. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricoukad (talk • contribs) 10:14, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

• If, and only if, you have no CoI, create a non-spammy version in your own words. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion candidates do not show up

For example, Category:1099 by country does not show up in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion and Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as empty categories while I tagged the page 13 days ago. Do you have an idea who could help with this problem? — Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for solving this particular example, but there are other categories around having the same problem, at least a few siblings of Category:1099 by country but possibly also categories in entirely different trees. — Marcocapelle (talk) 11:25, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

• Provide links! - learn the colon trick. It does not need admin rights to fix this. Go to the cat in question and click on "edit this page" and then click on "publish changes" without actually doing any. This action is non-trivial: all the database entries for the page are deleted and re-instated. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

previously removed or deleted page

I want to recreate the Jimmy Hibbert page but I am unsure of whether it should be recreated or not. Please tell me what I should do. Thank you, BrownBear25 (talk) 15:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

• You have already created draft:Jimmy Hibbert but if it is to survive it will need links to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

ASCII 128 to ASCII 300

Hi Roger, thanks for deleting ASCII 128. Any chance you could also delete the other redirects in this series up to ASCII 300 per my request in the hatnote at the former ASCII 128 redirect? They were all created by the same user, and R3 applies to all of them. If it helps in any way to reduce your workload I could create a list of links to them, but I'm not prepared to nominate them all individually. (ASCII 0 to 127 and any 4-digit numbers should not be speedy deleted, though.) I know, a mass-nomination is a bit unorthodox, but I really think these particular redirects don't need nor deserve individual discussions, but I'll leave that up to you. What do you think? Greetings. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Here are two more: missed one ASCII 132 and typo ASCII63.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

```` i need a permission to edit kindly grant me to edit, Thanks