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The article's voice is that of a member or recruiter of the group and not a neutral observer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.147.89 (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Surely. This article was written by only based on the official website of this organization and we cannot see any third-party sources. Unfortunately it's nothing but their propaganda. Takabeg (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a scholarly third-party reference.  Nipsonanomhmata  (Talk) 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's not enough. Moreover, David Romano doesn't use the term East Kurdistan. Takabeg (talk) 12:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Have changed the term "East Kurdistan" to "Iran" (see "Iranian Kurdistan").  Nipsonanomhmata  (Talk) 12:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say that we must not use the term East Kurdistan :) It was problem related only with providing sources. I think we can use East Kurdistan (Rojhilatê Kurdistanê) in articles. For example, we can write ...they call East Kurdistan (Kurdish: Rojhilatê Kurdistanê) of course it's necessary to use sources. Takabeg (talk) 12:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name

According to their official website, the English name of this organization is Komala. Takabeg (talk) 13:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's similar to KOMELA (Komeleyê Jiyanêwê Kurdistan). Takabeg (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ideology

http://komalah.org/english/program/3006.html

In their program they state that they are a Marxist party whose intentions are to build a socialist society based on from the ability to the need. Although I don't see any explicit reference to communism I'd think that it's fair to say that they are not social democrats.Onthehook (talk) 04:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The party is the Kurdish branch of the Communist Party of Iran. Albeit CPI is not a classical Marxist-Leninist party, I think it's fair to use the label communist. --Soman (talk) 05:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is not true, Komala is a social democrat party from Kurdistan of Iran. Komala party has adopted the social democracy as it’s core ideology since 2000, komala is now a member of Social Democrat family Ms. judit neurink says in several article Komala is a social democrat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keywan faramarzi (talk • contribs) 17:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keywan faramarzi (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC) Komala stands for a democratic, pluralist, secular, and federal Iran that is based on the rule of law which guarantees and safeguards the fundamental liberties and human rights of all ethnic groups in Iran. It advocates for a broad-based democratic coalition in Iran and for solidarity amongst ethnic and religious minorities that historically have been marginalized and persecuted by Iran’s current Islamist regime. Having adopted the European social democracy model as a fair and appropriate solution for the diverse Iran, Komala has been promoting that political model both in Iran and within its Kurdish region inside Iran.[reply]

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Why did you reverted changes?

@Vif12vf:, what is the reason for your changes in my edits? I have explained very well why and how I did these changes, includes your "properly sourced content", which it's obvious what is the mentioned one in original quote is Komala J-Q. In the history of Iranian Kurdistan there is at least 5 Komala: 1) The Society for the Revival of Kurdistan (Komeley Jiyanewey Kurd, also abbreviated as "Komala Je-Qaf/Kaf", "Komala J-Q/k", or basically Komala), which later founded Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan; 2) Komala (1969-1983), founded after participants 1967-8 Iranian Kurdistan uprising who adopted pro-China position, and united with already existing pro-China groups in Iranian Kurdistan, with the help Komala-ye Ranjdaran in Iraq, 3) Komala, Kurdistan Organisation of the Communist Party of Iran, still exists and led by Ibrahim Alizadeh, 4) Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, led by Abdullah Mohtadi, split from Komala CPI in 2000 [which this is the group we're talking about], pro-Western, part of Socialist International and definitely not communist; 5) Komala-Komala Zahmetkeshan Kurdistan (Komala-KZK) or Komala-Kurdistan Toiler's Party, led by Omar Elkhanizadeh, split from Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan in 2000's, in ideological sense same with Abdullah Mohtadi but his views on civil struggles more positive than armed struggle.
So your "properly sourced content" is nothing but a misunderstanding. Also, I made an important edit: Organisation declared restart of it's armed struggle in 2017 and I have added this information and gave source for it. Why did you reverted this?
You said: "Primary sources are not accepted for ideologies.", than what is the source? Even these things I have added declared by themselves isn't propagandist way and "non-primary" sources mostly talks about this groups existence (like armed struggle or relations with other Kurdish groups), nothing much about it's ideology (and important part of it talks about their ideology gaves wrong information, like you defended). You said: "You also added unsourced ideologies which is not a good thing.", then I had to ask: What is your source for communism and Maoism? First of all, Komala rejected Mao in it's 1979 congress and taken a pro-Albania line. Later, after 1981, they take a similar line with Mansoor Hekmat's Union of Communist Militans and in 1983 united with semi-ouvrierist groups like Union of Communist Militans and some post-Mao groups (after collapse of Peykar and Razmendagan [both pro-Mao]). This Komala Party, which split from original Komala in 2000, does not uphold communism in any way. I couldn't add sources on these issues, because they're way pragmatist to write their exact ideology in their English web site. But this issue also mentioned in Komala CPI's article in wikipedia. Also it's obvious for a movement which part of Socialist International, they can't be a Maoist or communist group. Also, their pro-American line too proves that.
I demand an explanation from you to defend your revert. I have explained everything I can and gave sources which I can add.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vif12vf: I'm still waiting for an explanation. Your revert of changes ends with giving people wrong or non-actual informations. If you won't give me good explanation and if you won't defend your position then I'm gonna revert back this article to my changes.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 06:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

About concensus

@Vif12vf: @Pahlevun: for several days, your edits on Komala focusing on if Komala is communist or not. I gave several sources for Komala's stand and proved that they're social-democrats from words of General Secretary, Abdollah Mohtadi. But still you people, who can't give source for your positions, are demanding a concensus, which none of you contributed to this talk page. Before that I had mentioned to Vif12vf, but he did not responded. Pahlevun, who is not giving a source for it's change, also didn't replied me. There is 5 fractions of Komala, one of them is worker communist (CPI), other one is "socialist" (Socialist Komala), and remaining three fractions are all comes from Komala which refounded in 2000, and none of them has communist views. Elkhanzadeh's group split because they had disagreements with Mohtadi on armed struggle, for them civil struggles were primary. Other group split because of organisational issues. Nowadays I'm collecting sources on Komala (mostly in English, French, Turkish) because I'm planning to write an article for it in Turkish, so I'm familiar with this issue. If you have any sources on your claims, prove it. And for once, reply to me. All the things you people do is just reverting and not arguing. If you gonna contribute this talk page, then contribute. But don't expect from me waiting you until forever, I will wait few days and if none of you won't defend it's positions I think I have right to revert to my changes.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Beyaz Deriili. A few weeks ago, I was reading this piece by Al-Monitor and what drawn my attention the most, was mention of this Wikipedia page, and the fact that this organization wants its communist ideology kept out of sight –despite openly using red star as a symbol and carrying the word Zehmetkêşan in the Kurdish name, which is roughly proletariat–, because it wants to seek support in the United States (where they have formally registered as a lobby organization; and this ideology is clearly not embraced). As a result, there would be no surprise to see the group's leaders branding themselves as social democrats, democratic socialists or whatever like these. Another article published by the same source two years earlier highlights this. I took a look at the sources used in your proposed change, and as I understand, they are interviews and press release. As Wikipedia:Interviews points out, such sources are potentially problematic in regard to WP:RS policy. The two links are to dckurd.org and ekurd.net, whose reliability is questionable. I'm not proficient in Turkish, but I can say that the other source is definitely another interview that falls to the above-mentioned category at best. I personally prefer to use sources subject to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history) for articles like this, which advantages WP:SCHOLARSHIP over WP:NEWSORG sources. I welcome you presenting academic sources that state they are social democrats (for example), to see what we can do on the mainspace. Pahlevun (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pahlevun: first of all, this is not only a interview, but an interview with organisations leader, which openly declares their positions. And I think for reliability, just because Al Monitor is a known source, it doesn't means that everything published in that (especially a complo theory like their hidden communism) correct. For academic sources, there is not much of thing about Komala which gives detailed info, their views etc. (mostly, revolutionary organisations, political journals, some news reports, for example these two: 1, 2 doing that), due to lack of understanding the organisation mostly (and also some sources mostly mix or confuse Komala Zahmetkeshan with Komala CPI). But still, let's assume for a moment that interview given by leader of that organisation is not reliable, or their documents etc. too, still I suppose it has a better reliability than complo theory or sourceless claims.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 04:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No one claims that everything on that source (or any other) is the truth. More importantly, we work with Verifiability, not truth, so let's stick to WP:RS and WP:VER guidelines. I did not get you by "sourceless claims" in the article, because at the moment everything is well-sourced. Please make your intention specific. I stress again that I would welcome you bringing reliable sources to discussion. This is a little off our discussion, but I think it would be helpful to clarify more on the situation: many sources have doubted organizational independence of some Kurdish insurgent groups, for example PJAK is believed to be the same as PKK: same leadership, same resources, same people, different names in use. These kind of groups usually operate in cells, and to which group the cell belongs to is not so transparent (at least in the sources). A few days ago, some Iranian servicemen were killed in an attack but it is not known which Kurdish group was behind it [1] and I have not seen any group taking responsibility yet. Komala factions use the same name (and except one, the same symbol). Government of Japan does not distinguish between the factions led by Mohtadi and Alizade. Iranian sources maintain that despite their differences, objectives of Komala factions remain broadly aligned and they do cooperate like wings. The same applies to KDPI (HDKA) and KDP (HDK), who are even housed in the same building (known as The Democrat Castle). Komala publicly speaks in favor of Federalism (instead of Secessionism) but names its television network with the word it frequently uses, Rojhelat (eastern Kurditan), implying that the Kurdish-majority region of Iran is actually the eastern part of a single united Kurdistan. They use Flag of Kurdistan along with their own. There is too much commentary and if we use sources like ekurd.net or dckurd.org, the other side of story would probably be Fars News Agency (for example). To weight one narration over another would probably lead to a battleground. This is the reason that I insist on using sources subject to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history). Such sources would help us write this article better. Pahlevun (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well then, if "reliability" is more important for Wikipedia than truth, and not misinforming people, I won't struggle for it. If you all have piece in your mind for this, then I have peace in my mind for not correcting it too. Have a nice day you all.
Beyaz Deriili (talk) 06:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As far as the terrorism labeling is concerned, it is an unapproved allegation by the Iranian Intelligence officials. This is an accusation by an [which is itslef a state-sponsor of terroris]m with its IRGC also designated as a terrorist organization by the US. Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Beyaz Deriili @Pahlevun @Khasrow1976 I have read the Japanese page carefully and the language is not clear as to which organization or which Komala was involved and the allegations are based on what the Iranian officials of intelligence have provided which is not reliable because the same officials have attributed it to Zionism and America. Besides, all the Kurdish political organizations including Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan condemned the terrorist act in Mahabad in a joint statement in 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yelmaz23 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear contributors, I think the Islamic Republic of Iran is a dangerous regime in the world, indeed, Tehran has spent as much as $700 million per year to support terrorist groups. The Iranian regime will do whatever it takes to maintain its grip on power and spread its violent, revolutionary ideology.--Navid Atashbaz (talk) 07:16, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Dear friends and contributors: When Komala is used in Kurdish and Iranian politics, it can refer to three totally different organizations. First: The [Kurdsitan Organization of Iran Communist Party] led by Ibrahim Alizade , aka Komala CPI, which is a communist leaning organization. Second is the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan established in fall 1969, aka Komala PIK, which joined several other forces to establish Komala CPI in fall 1983. Before splitting from Komala CPI in 2000, Komala PIK Leadership had started to criticize the far left ideological and dogmatic views of Komala CPI which was in sharp contrast with the democratic views of the leaders of Komala PIK including human rights, women rights, freedoms, liberties and market economy. Third, [of the Toilers of Kurdistan], a small group led by Omar Ilkhanizade which split from the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan in 2007. As you can see, these are very different organizations and the only one leaning toward communism is the one led by Alizade while the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan defines itself as a moderate organization with social democratic values for a federal, secular and democratic. Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:06, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I’d like to add this point to the article if my fellow contributors agree. As can be seen in an article published by soldier of fortune, Komala leader Abdulla Mohtadi is a founding member of ITC, Iran Transition Council, an assembly of key figures and prominent personalities and organization that seeks a nonviolence democratic solution for the theocratic rule in Iran. Komala has long ceased its armed activities and is supporting a peaceful solution. Thanks Idin 2828 (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everybody. I just found out a report published by Newsweek in which it clearly says Komala is supporting a democratic federal Iran and that the Komala Party is playing a leading role in uniting democratic forces for achieving that goal. Komala is a force for democracy and human rights and that needs to be reflected in this article to be fair and accurate. Thank you. MiladAz92 (talk) 09:03, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keywan faramarzi (talk) 12:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Friends, if you agree, I think this part of the Japanese news will be removed![reply]

National Affiliation

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a member of Iran Transition Council, [Congress of Nationalities for a Federal Iran], Solidarity for Freedom and Equality in Iran, the Council of Iranian Democrats. and Cooperation Center for Iranian Kurdistan Political Parties. The Secretary General of Komala, Abdulla Mohtadi, is the Secretariat for Special affairs of ITC and Nahid Bahmani, a leadership member of Komala, is the Secretariat of Ethnic Affairs of ITC. Khasrow1976 (talk) 15:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 8 October 2020

As a Kurdish observer and somebody with close working relation with the organization and with good knowledge of Kurdish politics, I believe this article needs some corrections. I have placed my contributions on the talk page and I am asking for correcting the following points:

First: When we talk about Komala, there are three distinct organizations working under the same shortened name. One of them is called [Kurdistan' Organization of Communist Party of Iran, Komala CPI]. This organization is the only Komala which is a communist party. The other two Komalas inclduing the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan and [of Toilers of Kurdistan]. The Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a social democratic organization and exactly for this reason, it split from the Komala CPI in 2000. It has also been mentioned, in many occasions, by the leader of Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Abdullah Mohtadi, that his Komala is a social democratic force working for a secular federal democratic Iran. There are many sources in Kurdish and Persian in which Komala PIK is defined as a social democratic force by independent researchers and teh party leaders.

Second, When it comes to Japan's designation of organizations, the Japanese webpage and its language is very confusing and vague when it mentions both Komala PIK and Komala CPI. First of all, the sources are the mentioned to be Iranian intelligence officials, a country which has been designated as a state sponsor of terrorism by the US. Officials of a regime which is on the terrorism list is not a reliable source. Second, you can't accuse two different organizations of terrorism based on the same incident. Both Komala PIK and Komala CPI are being shown under Japan's designation list. This cannot be valid and reliable.

I hope independent reviewers can review and help in correcting the information.Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 8 October 2020

Hello; this is a user with affiliation with the subject. I suggest the following section including new content to be added.

National Affiliation

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan is a member of Iran Transition Council, [Congress of Nationalities for a Federal Iran], Solidarity for Freedom and Equality in Iran, the Council of Iranian Democrats. and Cooperation Center for Iranian Kurdistan Political Parties. The Secretary General of Komala, Abdulla Mohtadi, is the Secretariat for Special affairs of ITC and Nahid Bahmani, a leadership member of Komala, is the Secretariat of Ethnic Affairs of ITC. --Khasrow1976 (talk) 16:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 9 October 2020

Ideology from 1969 to the present — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keywan faramarzi (talk • contribs) 21:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Y Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan was formed in autumn 1969 among Kurdish leftist students and intellectuals in Tehran and some Kurdish towns. Since there was no political freedom in Iran, every political organization and even small student circles had to go hiding and to organize underground. 

Komala was no exception. Like all other opposition organizations of that time, especially the leftist groups of the sixties and seventies, Komala faced severe repression

During those years many of Komala members and its leadership experienced persecution, torture and imprisonment in the hands of SAVAK, Shah’s notorious secret police, but Komala could manage to survive and protect the main body of its organization and its growing network of activists. More than 9 years of hard and disciplined work prior to the outbreak of Iranian Revolution of 1978-79, bore its fruit and helped Komala build a strong and cohesive body of cadres among sections of Kurdish society. Komala managed to win over considerable sections of Kurdish students, teachers, intellectuals and young people and develop a significant influence and social base among workers and peasants throughout Kurdistan. Komala actively participated in the Iranian Revolution and in fact was behind almost every demonstration and popular movement of that period. On March 16, 1979, a few days after the victory of the Revolution, Komala launched an open political party. By this time Komala had already become a major political force in Iranian Kurdistan. The birth of Komala and its rapid growth among large sections of Kurdish society in Iran, apart from its own hard work, discipline and dedication, can be attributed to a combination of social factors during a period of Iran’s transition from a traditional and patriarchal society to a so-called pseudo-modern one. Abolishing feudal patterns by the Land Reforms of 1960s, development of an urban population in Iran and in Kurdistan from a predominantly rural society, forming of a huge mass of Kurdish migrant workers out of hitherto dormant village dwellers, who traveled to every part of Iran seeking jobs in various projects in a booming economy, large increase in literacy, cracks in traditional and patriarchal relations and emergence of a new generation who was not satisfied with the existing state of the affairs and with its share and its role in society, formation and ascendance of a new and modern type of Kurdish intellectuals in universities with their background in the non- privileged classes of the society, growing expectations among the majority of the people, growing political awareness of the rights of Kurds as a nation, all of this contributed to the rise and popularity of Komala and the formation of a mass modern political movement in Kurdistan. Komala soon became the champion of Kurdish cause and an uncompromising opposition against new religious dictators of Iran, as well as of the social justice and democratic change.[1] Komala introduced a new political culture in the Kurdish movement based on openness and frankness with the people, attaching much importance to the initiatives from below, grass roots politics and organizing mass civil movements, organizing peasants and championing equal rights for women and taking them to the forefront of the political arena, and as a whole presenting a modern progressive and non- traditional look to the Kurdish movement. While many opposition groups underestimated the dangers of Islamic fundamentalism, Komala warned against it and opposed it even before it came to power. Unlike many, Komala never supported the Islamic regime in Iran and always considered them a threat to democratic process and to progressive politics. In the first referendum about establishing the “Islamic Republic of Iran” in the spring 1979, which the Kurdish people successfully boycotted, Komala was the first political force in Kurdistan which advocated and fought for that boycott. When in [https://ekurd.net/iranian-kurds-betrayed-2019-03-06 summer 1979 Khomeini ordered a big onslaught against Kurdish people] and sent Pasdaran and the army to crush and punish the Kurds for their “disobedience”, a resistance movement broke out in Kurdistan with Komala as a major organizing force. In the subsequent negotiations between Kurds and the new Islamic regime, Komala was one of the main elements in the Kurdish People’s Unified Delegation. Komala Party, as a leading and organizing force of the Kurdish liberation movement, has gone through tough times and has lost thousands of its members in the fight for freedom and justice. After a long and heated debate among its ranks and in public during the nineties, finally the majority of the Komala Party’s cadres and members decided to a renewal programme to adapt to the new domestic and world developments. Since year 2000, Komala Party has undergone a major overhaul. This move was welcomed by the great majority of people, intellectuals, students, women, civil activists, Komala veteran activists and others.Komala has changed over time. Today, Komala stands for a democratic, pluralist, secular, and federal Iran that is based on the rule of law which guarantees and safeguards the fundamental liberties and human rights of all ethnic groups in Iran. It advocates for a broad-based democratic coalition in Iran and for solidarity amongst ethnic and religious minorities that historically have been marginalized and persecuted by Iran’s current Islamist regime.[2] Having adopted the European social democracy model as a fair and appropriate solution for the diverse Iran,[3] Komala has been promoting that political model both in Iran and within its Kurdish region inside Iran. Komala is a social democrat party from Kurdistan of Iran. Komala party has adopted the social democracy as it’s core ideology since 2000, komala is now a member of Social Democrat family[4]XKeywan faramarzi (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not really clear what you want to have changed. Please provide (reliable) sources to each phrase you want to include in the article. Wordpress and Ekurd will very probably not make it into a final version of the article. It is very unlikely someone will double-check such a long and unsourced text and then include it as you wanted. I'll try to include the progressive alliance part a bit more prominent (it was included already in the current version)Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ entekhabehazadenglish
  2. ^ thedefensepost
  3. ^ Trouw
  4. ^ wikipedia
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