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'{{high traffic|date=16 May 2011|site=xkcd|url=http://www.xkcd.com/899/|small=}} {{afd-merged-from|Tetrillion|Tetrillion|20 June 2010}} {{maths rating|frequentlyviewed=yes|class=list|importance=mid|field=general}} {{WikiProject Lists|class=List|importance=high|listas=Numbers, List Of}} Deletion discussion: [[Talk:List of numbers/Deletion]] ==Naming of number articles== The titles of articles about numbers should be spelled out, and a link should be added to the article for the "year" with the same number. Numbers over 100 that are not divisible by 100 (101-199, 201-299) should include the word "and". (See discussion at [[Talk:One hundred and eleven]]. [[User:GUllman|GUllman]] :Where should I put a link to [[One thousand seven hundred and twenty nine]]?? (new, by me) -- [[User:AndrewKepert|AndrewKepert]] 05:35, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC) ::I've put it in [[thousand]] -- [[User:Karl Palmen]] 11 Nov 2003 "Numbers over 100 that are not divisible by 100 (101-199, 201-299) should '''''not''''' include the word "and". (See discussion at [[Talk:One hundred eleven]]. [[User:Denelson83|Denelson83]] 07:53, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)" ---- :From the article:''"(Articles about the numbers 21-29 will be developed at twenty until they are large enough for their own page, articles about 31-39 will be developed at thirty, articles about 101-199 will be developed at hundred, and so on.)"'' This seems like a sensible way of avoiding stubs, but creates a couple of problems: Firstly, it can be quite confusing arriving at the "wrong" page by redirect, so care needs to be taken with the headings: see my suggestion at [[Talk:Twenty]]. Secondly, it makes the ''see also''s a bit awkward, since e.g. [[Thirty]] currently links to itself several times ([[Thirty-one]], [[Thirty-two]], etc.), but not [[Forty]], the next combined article - and yet, for consistency, it ''should'' do so, since that is the sequentially next integer. It also contains a section for [[Thirty-three]], which points you to a full article - this mixture of combined and seperate is even harder to navigate, and I'm not sure it really makes sense. ==Proposal== Both this page and [[English-language numerals]] have the nomenclature of English number names, and also a list of common numbers. I propose they are rationalised so that we have two closely-related (and interlinked) pages * [[list of numbers]] is just a list of numbers, linking to pages that do (or should) have wiki pages. * [[English-language numerals]] deals with the nomenclature, which strictly speaking form a [[numeral system]] not numbers, and so can be removed from [[list of numbers]]. On this page, the main change is that the big table will be replaced by a list of whole numbers bigger than 100. This could be done by continuing the 0-100 list in a sparse fashion. e.g. : [[Hundred|100]], [[One hundred and eleven|111]], [[Mersenne prime|127]], [[Two hundred and twenty-two|222]], [[Two hundred and fifty-five|255]], [[Two hundred and seventy-three|273]], [[Four hundred and fifty-one|451]], [[Six hundred and sixty six|666]] : [[Thousand|1000]], [[One thousand seven hundred and twenty nine|1729]], [[Mersenne prime|8191]] : [[Mersenne prime|131071]] : [[Million|1000000]]=10⁶, [[1 E9|1000000000]]=10⁹ : [[1 E12|10¹²]], [[1 E15|10¹⁵]], [[1 E18|10¹⁸]], [[Coulomb|6.24&times;10¹⁸]], [[1 E21|10²¹]], [[Avogadro's number|6.023&times;10²³]], [[1 E24|10²⁴]] and so on. Of course, the existing pages for [[Billion]] etc are essentially pages that disambiguate and explain some history. They should retain this role. The pages for the numbers [[1 E21|10²¹]] don't exist. Yes, and strictly speaking, the two physical constants I dropped into the list are probably not integers. They are there for example. Food for thought, anyway. I may get around to this edit in the next week or so unless some other good ideas come in. --[[User:AndrewKepert|AndrewKepert]] 01:42, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC) ---- Another way to organise these (and not disagreeing with Andrew above), from familiar to unfamilar: * [[Natural number]]s ** Small natural numbers ** Large natural numbers ** Other natural numbers * [[Negative number|negative]] [[integer]]s * [[Fraction (mathematics)|Fraction]]al numbers ** Fractional [[rational number]]s ** [[Irrational number]]s *** Irrational [[real number]]s **** Irrational [[algebraic number|algebraic]] real numbers **** [[Transcendental number|transcendental]] real numbers *** [[Imaginary number]]s **** Imaginary [[complex number]]s **** Other [[hypercomplex number]]s * [[Transfinite number]]s (where these list items are really supposed to be headers). Notice also how we neatly get exactly one link per header (except in the natural numbers, due to that list's size), and also link to every term (both affirmative and negative). -- [[User:Toby Bartels|Toby Bartels]] 06:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC) ==The Carl Sagan== Derp: A named integer is missing from this page: The Carl Sagan (400000000). Its the smallest number that satisfies the quote 'billions and billions' since the smallest number that satisfies 'billions' is two billion, and you have two of those. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#Billions_and_billions <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.216.46.37|130.216.46.37]] ([[User talk:130.216.46.37|talk]]) 07:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :We would need [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:IRS|independent]] quotes where that number actually gets called 'The Carl Sagan'. [[User:Peterl|peterl]] ([[User talk:Peterl|talk]]) 07:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC) ==VfD== Quattuordecillion was listed on vfd for 8 days from Feb 23 to Mar 2 2004, and was redirected here. Pasted discussion from VfD: *[[Quattuordecillion]] - dictionary definition [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 06:16, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC) **Neutral. Could improve. Delete if not improve in 7 days -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 11:14, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC) **Relocate to Wiktionary. [[User:Oberiko|Oberiko]] 12:50, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC) ** Delete or Redirect. Being out of context, this doesn't make much sense. Would make ''much'' more sense as part of a numbers table (like in Webster's Dict). Main difference is the usage of "milliard" in Europe opposite to "billion" in the States to begin with. --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 20:11, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC) ***Numbers table is at [[List of numbers]]. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 22:19, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC) **** Thanks, Anthony. Both entries are there, in the context, where they belong. So why a seperate article? --[[User:Palapala|Palapala]] 08:44, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) **Yea, could improve?!! [[User:Ankur|AY]] 05:25, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) ** Move to wiktionary if not there already. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 12:13, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC) ==zenzizenzizenzic== According to this link http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-zen1.htm it this term ''zenzizenzizenzic'' has been obsolete for centuries. Does it really belong here? It seems more like trivia. Thanks, [[User:Bcorr|BCorr ¤ &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; ]] 13:47, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC) I do agree, it's more a "museum word" than a real english word. Maybe it should be explained in [[How to name numbers in English]], since zenzic means "squared", zenzizenzic "fourth power", zenzicube "sixth power", and, we could add, zenzizenzizenzizenzix would be "16^th power"... [[User:Slord|slord]] 15:02, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC) == Names of really large numbers == Can your list of numbers go beyond 10^180?? Let me see if I got this correct: *10^183 = sexagintillion *10^213 = septuagintillion *10^243 = octogintillion *10^273 = nonagintillion *10^303 = centillion *10^603 = bicentillion *10^903 = tercentillion *10^1203 = quadricentillion *10^1503 = quinquacentillion *10^1803 = sexacentillion *10^2103 = septuacentillion *10^2403 = octocentillion *10^2703 = nonacentillion *10^3003 = millillion User 66.32.154.142 --- There's no really "official" name for powers of ten above 10^305 (100 centillion). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.217.65.69|71.217.65.69]] ([[User talk:71.217.65.69|talk]]) 01:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> ==Inconsistency on numbers pages== [[Number 911]] redirects to [[900 (number)]]. [[911 (number)]] is its own article. That is ridiculous. [[Number 911]] should redirect to [[911 (number)]], which should have a link to [[900 (number)]]. The second part is implemented here; the first is not. [[User:Brianjd|Brianjd]] 06:38, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC) :Why not fix it then? [[User:Lady Lysine Ikinsile|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash; [[User:Lady Lysine Ikinsile|Lady Lysine Ikinsile]] 06:41, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC) ::It redirects there because the text of [[911 (number)]] used to be on [[900 (number)]]. Guess who split the page off .. -- User:Docu :The following pages do not exist: :* [[Number 257]] :* [[257 (number)]] :There are probably a lot of changes to be made, so perhaps a bit of help?<br>[[User:Brianjd|Brianjd]] 07:21, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC) :Pages in the form "Number N" (0 to 40) or spelled out in words eg [[Nineteen]] (0 to 20) redirect correctly.<br>[[User:Brianjd|Brianjd]] 10:38, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC) :Pages in the form "Number N" (41 to 100) redirect correctly.<br>[[User:Brianjd|Brianjd]] 05:46, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC) :Pages in the form "Number N" (101 to 122) redirect correctly.<br>[[User:Brianjd|Brianjd]] 12:26, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC) == Disorganization == Great Lord, is this article ever disorganized. There are places where it repeats itself no fewer than three times. Was anyone paying attention when they added entries? I hope nobody minds if I copyedit and delete some unnecessary tables. --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik]] 10:41, 2004 Aug 5 (UTC) :Go right ahead, and edit boldly! -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 10:44, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::This way, I suppose we will figure out which ones are "unnessary".. -- User:Docu :::I think the table of negative integers is unnecessary, since there are no plans to write articles on any negative integers besides -1 and -40. I've re-listed those two under "Notable Integers." [[User:Anton Mravcek|Anton Mravcek]] 17:37, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) ===Retraction=== Boy howdy, I don't know how it happened, but this article is looking great now. Good work, everyone! Now, all that's left is to transplant/merge/move information between this article and [[Names of large numbers]].... --[[User:Ardonik|[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik]]([[User talk:Ardonik|talk]])]] 01:35, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC) == Million raised to the Nth power, thousand raised to the Nth power == Regarding a recent contribution by anonymous [[User:132.205.45.148]], I think it's confusing to express the large numbers both in terms of powers of a million and in terms of powers of a thousand. I think the millionⁿ is more comprehensible, so I'm reverting the change. (Sorry, anon; I know you must have worked on it for a while. Feel free to make your case here.) --[[User:Ardonik|[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik]]([[User talk:Ardonik|talk]])]] 02:21, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC) : The ''million^#'' is adequate in relating the European way of numbering, but the American way is based on powers of a thousand. It illustrates how the name ''nonillion'' equates to 1000^(9+1), or 30 zeros, from the root part ''non'' (thus Vigintillion clearly shows the 20th power of 1000, times 1000; etc). It may be more clear of it is 1000*1000^9, but I entered it in a shorter manner. <br/<br/> In case anyone reverts, there also contains a correction to an incorrect power of a million in my edit, you'll have to find that and reimplement it. <br/> [[User:132.205.45.148|132.205.45.148]] :: You have a good point; I never thought about the names of numbers that way before. I think I'll finish what you started and remove the powers of a million (keeping the powers of a thousand, of course) as soon as I can switch to a faster computer. Is it just me, or is the Wikipedia rather slow this afternoon? --[[User:Ardonik|[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik]]([[User talk:Ardonik|talk]])]] 21:37, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC) ==Proposed systematic names for powers of 10== Why does this article give space for proposed systems? Elsewhere in Wikipedia, articles on proposed systems have been deleted since they only refer to proposed systems rather than actual systems in use. If these systems are actually being used somewhere in the world, then fine - rename them as actual systems. Otherwise, why not remove until such time as they are being used. [[User:Icairns|Ian Cairns]] 22:17, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC) :Surely if there is one place in this Wikipedia where even hypothetical English numbering systems are relevant, it would be here, in this article? How else could our readers compare, or even learn about such systems? --[[User:Ardonik|[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik]]([[User talk:Ardonik|talk]])]] 03:57, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC) ::A case could be made for putting the information at [[How to name numbers in English]]. Or perhaps that article should refer to this article for info on the proposed systems. [[User:Anton Mravcek|Anton Mravcek]] 18:04, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC) ==Cleaned up discussion== The content of this Talk page seems to have been accidentally duplicated at the beginning of September 2004. I have removed the duplicate material, taking care not to delete any new (interpolated) discussion (of which there wasn't any, AFAICT). I also created a new first header ("Naming of number articles") and removed a link to [[/redirects]] on the very first line since it only redirected to [[Table of prime factors]] (apparently someone's redirection test performed outside of the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|Sandbox]]). - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 23:51, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC) == History of number names == How close to being correct is the history of these number names: ===One through Ten=== The [[English language|English]] number names from [[1 (number)|one]] to [[10 (number)|10]] are related through the [[Indo-European]] root to the corresponding prefixes for both [[Greek numerical prefixes|Greek]] and [[Latin numerical prefixes|Latin]], with just one exception: [[mono-]] literally means single and one is just a synonym. ===Hundred=== According to the American Heritage Dictionary Third Edition (1997) the names for 100 in Greek, Latin, and English all have the same indo-European root, which is also the same as those for 10. ===Thousand=== This is where it starts to vary. Both the prefixes for 1000 in Greek [[chilia-]] and Latin [[mill-]] have the same root, but English's "thousand" is unrelated; it comes from German literally meaning "swollen hundred". ===Ten thousand=== Greek [[myria-]] for 10,000, prior to its number name, meant "countless", and was chosen perhaps because the Greeks described it as a number "too large to count to". ===Million (10^6)=== The word [[million]], meaning 10^6, is common to almost all languages of today. I think it is simply an augmented form of the Latin word for 1000. ===Gillion (10^9)=== Rowlett's proposed word for 10^9 is a combination of the SI prefix "giga" and the illion suffix, on the model of mega/million. ===10^12 to 10^30=== The remainder of Rowlett's proposed words are simply [[Greek numerical prefixes]] attatched to the illion suffix, simply to differentiate it from the traditional system with [[Latin numerical prefixes]]. ===Googol (10^100)=== Googol, I really don't know how it came. It was coined around 1940 by someone who wanted to think about huge numbers, but I never found how this word actually came to be as it is. Is it an alteration of goggle or short for googoogoogoo...?? [[User:66.245.115.43|66.245.115.43]] 20:00, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC) :There is a story behind it. I will direct you to one page in Internet that explains how the name appeared (http://members.fortunecity.com/jonhays/nagoog.htm). It is consistent with the information given by Carl Sagan in "Cosmos" (the book). I don't recall if this was mentioned in the TV series. BTW, it also explains the "googolplex". <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/189.100.201.177|189.100.201.177]] ([[User talk:189.100.201.177|talk]]) 16:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :There's a book at the library that talks about this very thing. I'm going to check it out, let you know what I find in there. [[User:PrimeFan|PrimeFan]] 21:49, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC) ::Look under Edward Kasner, the mathematician who introduced the term (it was originally named by his nephew). Google was named after Googol. [[User:Icairns|Ian Cairns]] 21:58, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC) :Why are googol and googolplex not even mentioned in this article? [[User:Pottersson|Pottersson]] ([[User talk:Pottersson|talk]]) 20:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC) :: They are listed at [[Large numbers]] [[User:Zarcadia|Zarcadia]] ([[User talk:Zarcadia|talk]]) 21:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC) == "few" and "several" == I'm skeptical about the claims that "few" and (especially) "several" are often most associated with fixed values. Can anyone corroborate? [[User:4pq1injbok|4pq1injbok]] 13:25, 29 September 2005 (UTC) :Frankly I don't think those additions to the article are serious. Anyway, I have merged the entire section in question into the article [[Placeholder name]], where similar material was already to be found -- leaving just a link here in the [[List of numbers]] article. (Can someone find a more proper way to include this link in the article?) In the process, I removed those remarks assigning specific values to ''few'' and ''several''.--[[User:Noe|Niels Ø]] 13:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC) == Vigesimal English names == i.e. the system with scores. The consistent thing to do would be to give vigesimal names for either every number (in an appropriate range) or none of them. Of course, ''threescore and ten'' is notable for its appearance in Psalms 90:10, so it may deserve its special place; in this case ''four score and seven'' is similarly notable. Thoughts? [[User:4pq1injbok|4pq1injbok]] 01:43, 22 October 2005 (UTC) == Proposed section == I want to see if anyone has any opinions on whether the '''proposed systematic names''' section should have its own article. This was brought to my attention by Rowlett's Afd. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] 23:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC) :I'll bring this up at the Talk of [[WP:NUM]]. [[User:PrimeFan|PrimeFan]] 14:49, 7 December 2005 (UTC) == perdime & perdecime == Is there any verifiable source for ''perdime'' and ''perdecime'' being the appropriate corresponding term for one tenth on the lines of ''percent'' and ''permille''? And I '''do''' mean a source not derived from wikipedia itself. -- [[User:Cimon avaro|Cimon avaro; on a pogostick.]] 15:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC) == Base 64 == It will be quite interesting if someone add to the neat table in each number article contained also the representation in the '''Base 64''' system used to encode e-mails... In time: Someone has any reference on the babylonian base 60 system? It is "writable" in the modern ocidental aphabet? --[[User:Lgallindo|Lucas Gallindo]] 21:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC) : Babylonian numerals are composed of cuneiform symbols that do not correspond to anything in any modern script. However, I believe some Medieval and Renaissance mathematical writings used base 60 by writing each sexagit (a word I just invented for a base-60 digit) as a Roman or Arabic number, separated by some mark. &mdash;[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] 22:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC) ::I think Plane 2 of [[Unicode]] might have cuneiform symbols. Or maybe math historians have their own private use area assignments and fonts for them. [[User:Anton Mravcek|Anton Mravcek]] 16:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC) ==Completion== This list is horribly incomplete. Would somebody please add the rest of the integers? I'll try to get a start on the real numbers next week. [[User:142.59.195.50|142.59.195.50]] 07:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC) :That's a joke. The list is complete in that it has every number anyone would ever want to look up for a reason other than just to see that Wikipedia has an article on it. [[User:PrimeFan|PrimeFan]] ([[User talk:PrimeFan|talk]]) 01:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC) I LOVE YOU <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.221.148.196|69.221.148.196]] ([[User talk:69.221.148.196|talk]]) 20:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> I agree with this complaint. There should at least be a little wikipedian humor by making the page a permanent stub. [[User:Haberdasheryisnotacrime|Haberdasheryisnotacrime]] ([[User talk:Haberdasheryisnotacrime|talk]]) 19:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC) ::That's a joke that stopped being funny SOOO LOOOOOOOOONG ago. [[User:Numerao|Numerao]] ([[User talk:Numerao|talk]]) 19:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC) I realize I'm being pedantic here, but I propose we change the name of the article to "List of Notable Numbers". Since, as pointed out above, we are not listing all numbers.[[User:Shon Lee|Shon Lee]] ([[User talk:Shon Lee|talk]]) 23:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC) Agreed. After all, somebody might start editing the page forever... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/203.11.71.124|203.11.71.124]] ([[User talk:203.11.71.124|talk]]) 07:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == line breaks == I admit that the "table" format of numbers up to 100 is somehow nice, but on a 1400px wide screen it fills at most half of a window which is only half of the screen width large... (and am I wrong or should the "200" line already be indented like 300ff? or is the latter indentation a vandalism?) Much worse, the list of notable numbers. Couldn't we write them just one after the other, separated by space? (Maybe a paragraph break at 100, 1000 etc or so?) Also, it should be put there to clarify, what numbers and why qualify here as "notable". &mdash; [[User:MFH|MFH]]:[[User talk:MFH|Talk]] 00:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC) :Actually, the ''entries'' for 310-390 and 410-490 don't exist. I'm trying to clean up the additional list, as well, but it's not easy. &mdash; [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User_talk:Arthur_Rubin|(talk)]] 01:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC) ::Once in a while, you just have to take a machete to these things. I've somewhat arbitrarily removed a lot of these and added explanations to the ones that remain. If I've gone slightly too far, just restore the number you think I shouldn't've removed, but also an explanation to show that it is notable. And if I've really gone too far, there's always undo and rollback. [[User:Anton Mravcek|Anton Mravcek]] ([[User talk:Anton Mravcek|talk]]) 22:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC) ==Could this ever be a featured article?== I think this is the coolest article on Wikipedia. I know it's a weird suggestion, but I feel like this article is fascinating enough to be the featured article. What do other people think? [[User:Willow1729|Willow1729]] ([[User talk:Willow1729|talk]]) 04:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC) :Being a list, it would have to be on [[Wikipedia:Featured lists]] (which is easier than [[Wikipedia:Featured articles]]). But fascinating is not a criteria at [[Wikipedia:Featured list criteria]]. Being featured on Wikipedia is about quality and not about having an interesting or important subject (although those things may cause more editors to work on improving the quality). I don't think the current list is near featured quality and I don't want to do the work to bring it there. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC) ::I wouldn't call it cool, but for me it is certainly useful. Though there is one thing that bother me about it, like that list of notable integers. What about you, PrimeHunter, what bothers you about this article? What kind of work do you think it needs to bring it near featured quality? [[User:Anton Mravcek|Anton Mravcek]] ([[User talk:Anton Mravcek|talk]]) 22:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC) :::Maybe I shouldn't have said that. I just looked at [[Wikipedia:Featured list criteria]] which doesn't seem to fit the list well but the type and scope of list may have a lot to do with that. There are several things I would prefer omitted and others I would prefer expanded with annotations. But there are no clear inclusion criteria and I don't see how to make them. I guess people will just have different ideas about what is worth including. When I haven't worked on the list and don't plan to, maybe I should keep my opinions to myself but here are some of them anyway since you ask. I haven't thought so carefully about them. There are too few references (I only count 4 unformatted external links). More table entries should be wikilinked (table entries are allowed to repeat wikilinks from earlier). The lead is too short, and misleading since large parts of the list are not lists of articles. Integers should have their own level 2 heading and not be spread in various subsections of rational numbers. I dislike "Notable integers" even after the trimming. It seems highly subjective and I disagree with several of the choices. I would like short definitions for several things, for example Named integers (where the actual value should also be listed when practical) and various sets of numbers. Perfect numbers shouldn't have a table with large decimal expansions but maybe a list with formulas or smaller numbers. Gillion system and Myriad system are not important enough to have tables with rarely used names. The Algebraic numbers table shouldn't mention Length of the diagonal of ... when the rectangle or box has an irrational side length. External links section should be better formatted with author name first and not part of the link. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC) =="Alternate names"-best title?== I'm not sure "alternate names" is the best label for that table column. Some of the words are not synonyms for the numbers, but rather nouns describing sets that contain that many objects, if that makes any sense..."four" and "quadruplet" seem to have subtly different meanings. Should this be changed, and if so, to what? --[[User:Lkjhgfdsa|Lkjhgfdsa]] ([[User talk:Lkjhgfdsa|talk]]) 20:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC) :Indeed. I stuck some more verbiage into the header of that table, as a temporary solution. [[User:4pq1injbok|4pq1injbok]] ([[User talk:4pq1injbok|talk]]) 01:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC) == Delimiters in the myriad system == (Ahh, back in one of my old haunts...) Is there some good reason for using space and apostrophe and nothing as delimiters for 10^32 and 10^64 and 10^128 respectively in the myriad system? The first and third especially seem quite poor choices. All I've seen Knuth himself discuss are the , ; : delimiters. If no-one speaks up I'm inclined to just change the higher ones to apostrophe throughout. [[User:4pq1injbok|4pq1injbok]] ([[User talk:4pq1injbok|talk]]) 01:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC) :Two months is long enough. Done. [[User:4pq1injbok|4pq1injbok]] ([[User talk:4pq1injbok|talk]]) 20:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC) ::One reason for using spaces has just become obvious with your change: without the spaces the number cannot wrap, making the table far wider that the screen width. That's hardly desirable. —&nbsp;[[User:EmilJ|Emil]]&nbsp;[[User talk:EmilJ|J.]] 10:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC) == Conway's constant == [[Conway constant#Basic properties|Conway's constant]] has recently been removed from the suspected transcendental section for the following reason 'Since Conway's constant is a root of a known polynomial, it certainly isn't transcendental' with the polynomial in question being : <math> x^{71} - x^{69} - 2x^{68} - x^{67} + 2x^{66} + 2x^{65} + x^{64} - x^{63} - x^{62} - x^{61} - x^{60} - x^{59}\,</math> : <math> {} + 2x^{58} + 5x^{57} + 3x^{56} - 2x^{55} - 10x^{54} - 3x^{53} - 2x^{52} + 6x^{51} + 6x^{50} + x^{49} + 9x^{48} - 3x^{47} \,</math> : <math> {} - 7x^{46} - 8x^{45} - 8x^{44} + 10x^{43} + 6x^{42} + 8x^{41} - 5x^{40} - 12x^{39} + 7x^{38} - 7x^{37} + 7x^{36} + x^{35}\, </math> : <math> {} - 3x^{34} + 10x^{33} + x^{32} - 6x^{31} - 2x^{30} - 10x^{29} - 3x^{28} + 2x^{27} + 9x^{26} - 3x^{25} + 14x^{24} - 8x^{23} \,</math> : <math> {} - 7x^{21} + 9x^{20} + 3x^{19} - 4x^{18} - 10x^{17} - 7x^{16} + 12x^{15} + 7x^{14} + 2x^{13} - 12x^{12} - 4x^{11} \,</math> : <math> {} - 2x^{10} + 5x^9 + x^7 - 7x^6 + 7x^5 - 4x^4 + 12x^3 - 6x^2 + 3x - 6. \,</math> which is fine, but doesn't this mean that it should be listed in the algebraic section? You see I was going to put it there myself......... but I have no idea what a root of a polynomial is and have no idea how to show the number without using algebra or if this is even possible. Any help? [[User:Robo37|Robo37]] ([[User talk:Robo37|talk]]) 13:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC) :A root of a polynomial is a value of ''x'' for which the value of the polynomial is 0. For example, the roots of the polynomial ''x''² &minus; 1 are 1 and &minus;1. Any number which is a root of a polynomial that has integer coefficients is, by definition, [[Algebraic number|algebraic]]; specifically, Conway's constant is indeed algebraic. [[User:Gandalf61|Gandalf61]] ([[User talk:Gandalf61|talk]]) 13:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC) ::Right, so then am I right in thinking that it is impossible to show Conway's constant without using algebra? I mean by only using functions and integers so that it can be shown in [[List of numbers#Algebraic numbers|the algebraic section of this article]]. [[User:Robo37|Robo37]] ([[User talk:Robo37|talk]]) 15:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC) :::It won't have a "nice" expression in terms of integers, simple arithmetic functions and [[nth root]]s like the other numbers mentioned in the ''Algebraic numbers'' section (well, I am almost certain it won't, as I am sure Conway would have found such an expression if it existed). Probably the most concise way to define it is "the unique positive real root of the following polynomial ...", which is how it is described in the [[look-and-say sequence]] article. [[User:Gandalf61|Gandalf61]] ([[User talk:Gandalf61|talk]]) 15:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC) == The transcendence of logarithms == All of the [[logarithm]]s have just been removed from this article for being [[transcendental number|transcendental]], but I fail to see how this is true; the first thing it says in [[algebraic number|the article about algebraic numbers]] is that 'In mathematics, an algebraic number is a complex number that is a root of a non-zero polynomial in one variable with rational (or equivalently, integer) coefficients.' and as log₃ (2), log₂ (3), log₂ (5), log₂ (6), log₂ (7), log₂ (9), log₂ (10), log₂ (11) and log₂ (12) are the roots of 3^x - 2, 2^x - 3, 2^x - 5, 2^x - 6, 2^x - 7, 2^x - 9, 2^x - 10, 2^x - 11 and 2^x - 12 respectively I think that it's pretty safe to say that they're algebraic. [[User:Robo37|Robo37]] ([[User talk:Robo37|talk]]) 18:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC) :Look, those are all transcendental. The definition of "polynomial" for the purpose of [[algebraic number]]s is that the exponents are integers. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 19:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC) ---- {{quote|a '''polynomial''' is a [[finite]] length [[expression (mathematics)|expression]] constructed from [[variable (math)|variables]] (also known as [[indeterminate (variable)|indeterminates]]) and [[coefficient|constant]]s, by using the operations of [[addition]], [[subtraction]], [[multiplication]], and constant [[non-negative]] [[whole number]] [[exponent]]s.|[[Polynomial]]}} ---- :— [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 19:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC) == Improving the List of Notable Integers == Surely, other integers meet the qualification of being notable "for their mathematical properties or cultural meanings." To get the ball rolling, I'm adding [[zero]], which has an [[zero#History|extensive history]]. [[User:Shy|Shy]] ([[User talk:Shy|talk]]) 04:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC) == Citation for Tau == I notice there is currently a "Citation Needed" tag for the constant Tau. Tau is two times Pi. If Pi is transcendental, then likewise so is Tau. Does the 'Citation Needed' here stem from the fact we need that spelled out, or because Tau doesn't seem to be a universally accepted constant? [[Special:Contributions/123.243.125.161|123.243.125.161]] ([[User talk:123.243.125.161|talk]]) 13:03, 13 September 2010 (UTC) :The latter: tau is not a particularly common name for the constant.—[[User:EmilJ|Emil]]&nbsp;[[User talk:EmilJ|J.]] 13:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC) == [[Steinhaus–Moser notation]] == Shouldn't this be here? the term Megiston was in the guinness book of world records as one possible candidate for largest named number. seems people would appreciate its mention here. i know i would.[[User:Mercurywoodrose|Mercurywoodrose]] ([[User talk:Mercurywoodrose|talk]]) 03:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC) == "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it." == Am I the only one that sees the humor in calling a list of numbers incomplete?--[[User:Vox Rationis|Vox Rationis]] ([[User talk: Vox Rationis|Talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Vox Rationis|contribs]]) 04:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC) :Not at all. Not. At. All. Incidentally, so does xkcd. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.139.62.0|75.139.62.0]] ([[User talk:75.139.62.0|talk]]) 04:58, 16 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> ::Actually, the real humor is in thinking it's going to be less incomplete via (finite) expansion. ;-) --[[User:Joe Decker|joe decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|^{<small><i>talk to me</i></small>}]] 05:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC) ::: Yes, but I can construct a complete list of integers, and from this, I can construct the rationals. If you take care of the reals, I'll do the complex. Of course, they won't all fit on one page; we'll have to link to other pages. Recursion is a great tool. [[User:BobKerns|Bob Kerns]] ([[User talk:BobKerns|talk]]) 11:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC) :I think it's clear. And it's fantastic. [[Special:Contributions/82.57.33.56|82.57.33.56]] ([[User talk:82.57.33.56|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 13:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :Maybe it would be appropriate to switch from the current template to the [[Template:Dynamic list|Dynamic list]] template, which says "This is an incomplete list''', which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness'''. You can help by expanding it''' with reliably sourced entries'''." --[[User:Nandhp|nandhp]] ([[User talk:Nandhp|talk]]) 01:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC) ::I agree. [[User:Qubed|Qubed]] ([[User talk:Qubed|talk]]) 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC) :::That isn't really as amusing IMO. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] &lt;[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]&gt; 07:16, 19 May 2011 (UTC) ::::I agree. It's funny because it's true. And removing it is just disappointing for all the people who came to see this because of xkcd. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.0.113.199|94.0.113.199]] ([[User talk:94.0.113.199|talk]]) 22:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> I support the proposition from nandhp. [[User:Cliff|Cliff]] ([[User talk:Cliff|talk]]) 13:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC) Shouldn't the [[Cantor's diagonal argument|reason why this list can't be complete]] be mentioned? -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 23:47, 24 April 2014 (UTC) == [[Riemann zeta function]] examples == &zeta;(4) has been added, and &zeta;(3) and its reciprocal, but not the more notable &zeta;(2) and its reciprocal. I tend to think that all should be removed, but that's another matter entirely. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 17:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC) == Split of irrational numbers == I propose that the recently created [[List of Irrational Numbers]] be merged back to or redirected to [[List of numbers]]. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 17:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC) I propose not. As the article states, this is supposed to be a list of pre-existing articles (on Wikipedia) that have more comprehensive lists. Besides, articles like [[Order of magnitude (numbers)]] are more comprehensive than this article anyhow. Do I make myself clear? [[User:LutherVinci|LutherVinci]] ([[User talk:LutherVinci|talk]]) 19:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC) I removed all the miscellaneous terms from the transcendental section, now that we have a more [[exhaustive]] list. [[User:LutherVinci|LutherVinci]] ([[User talk:LutherVinci|talk]]) 21:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC) :Completely unacceptable, without consensus. I'm reverting the changes to this article. See [[WP:BRD]]. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 22:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC) ::I agree with Arthur's reversion. I also agree that the new [[list of irrational numbers]] should be merged back here and replaced with a redirect - there is no need for a separate list, the title is not a common search term, and the article is just a content fork. [[User:Gandalf61|Gandalf61]] ([[User talk:Gandalf61|talk]]) 11:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC) :::No one ever tries to listen to me on Wikipedia, but I'll have a go anyhow. The article says, in the lead-in, that this is a list of '''articles''' about numbers. But, as I read further, I find that it is a huge article that is labeled incomplete; because it doesn't link to any exhaustive list as it promises, but instead attempts to list all numbers itself. I am merely trying to A) Fulfill the article to the way it describes itself, and B) making it easier to give an exhaustive list of all numbers: by linking to smaller articles as it states clearly in [[WP:FORK]]; a ''list of numbers is far to big a subject for one article''. :::By the way, did you not suggest, in your own words, that the Zeta function be removed? '''did I not do exactly what you suggested was reasonable?''' are you denying yourself, man? [[User:LutherVinci|LutherVinci]] ([[User talk:LutherVinci|talk]]) 21:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC) ::::For your last question, the answer is no. You moved them to the subarticle, rather than removing them. A different matter entirely. For the first question, it would be a reasonable provision, except that, for some numbers ([[Brun's constant]] comes to mind), we have '''no idea''' whether it's rational, or even whether it's a finite sum. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 06:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC) :::::Try reading [[WP:BRD]]. If you disagree with my edit, then discussion is what you should do, not go out and start '''destroying information without cause'''.[[User:LutherVinci|LutherVinci]] ([[User talk:LutherVinci|talk]]) 01:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::Exactly. The '''bold''' revision was your fork. I've reverted it. Please discuss. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 01:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC) ::::::You're welcome to merge any information which seems appropriate to this article. I don't see the need to cover for edits made to the wrong article. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 02:01, 28 February 2011 (UTC) ==Myriad System== Myriad System: the commas separating the zeroes are in the wrong place fix <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.146.27.252|71.146.27.252]] ([[User talk:71.146.27.252|talk]]) 06:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :No, they aren't. That's where the commas go in that system. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 09:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC) == Shouldn't 1 be included as a prime number? == Shouldn't 1 be included as a prime number? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.217.65.69|71.217.65.69]] ([[User talk:71.217.65.69|talk]]) 04:42, 19 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :No. See [[Prime number#Primality of one]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 05:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC) ::I tell you there are some people that say 1 might be able to be called a prime number! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.217.65.69|71.217.65.69]] ([[User talk:71.217.65.69|talk]]) 22:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :::This is, IMO, a pretty common misconception. I misunderstood primes in this way for some time myself. I think the problem comes from the informal definition of prime that is first given to students. It goes something like, "Any number that is divisible only by 1 and itself is a prime number." This is trivially true for 1 but because the "definition" is incorrect, it leads people to think that 1 is prime. [[User:Cliff|Cliff]] ([[User talk:Cliff|talk]]) 21:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC) == List of numbers? == Just a little quirk here, but shouldn't we have 1-infinity here? 04:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Oldtopman|Oldtopman]] ([[User talk:Oldtopman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Oldtopman|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == XKCD == This page has been featured ;-) http://xkcd.com/899/ --[[User:Marekventur|Marekventur]] ([[User talk:Marekventur|talk]]) 07:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC) * Yes, this page is officially a joke. -- [[Special:Contributions/202.124.73.154|202.124.73.154]] ([[User talk:202.124.73.154|talk]]) 09:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC) :*Particularly the sentence "''This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.''" [[Special:Contributions/167.107.191.217|167.107.191.217]] ([[User talk:167.107.191.217|talk]]) 13:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC) ::Well, it's literally true, though helping in that way is surely a sisyphian task if ever there was one. [[Special:Contributions/146.6.208.13|146.6.208.13]] ([[User talk:146.6.208.13|talk]]) 14:42, 16 May 2011 (UTC) :::Oh gosh, Randy just edit-spammed another Wikipedia page. --[[Special:Contributions/98.206.231.79|98.206.231.79]] ([[User talk:98.206.231.79|talk]]) 16:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC) == Googol == Why is there no mention of googol (1 x 10^100, the number in which Google is named after) under powers of 10??? I would think in an English speaking internet connected world in these days, googol would at least get a slight mention (after all, its far more familiar to people than the vast majority of the other powers of ten mentioned in this article). — [[User:Imeriki al-Shimoni|<span style="color:#60d;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:3px 3px 2px #aaa;">al-Shimoni</span>]] ([[User talk:Imeriki al-Shimoni|talk]]) 13:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC) :I mean, really, how many people (that you can count with your hands) have heard of a "thousand quinvigintillion"??? — [[User:Imeriki al-Shimoni|<span style="color:#60d;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:3px 3px 2px #aaa;">al-Shimoni</span>]] ([[User talk:Imeriki al-Shimoni|talk]]) 13:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC) ::It's not mentioned here because it doesn't belong here. It belongs in [[Large numbers]], where it ''is'' mentioned ([[Large numbers#Examples]]). The "powers of ten" numbers are those named in a systematic way; "googol" is more of a joke name than anything else. [[User:Ptorquemada|Ptorquemada]] ([[User talk:Ptorquemada|talk]]) 14:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC) == Edit request from 189.100.201.177, 16 May 2011 == {{edit semi-protected|answered=yes}} <!-- Begin request --> I suggest including the 'googolplex' right after the 'googol", beint it the number 1 followed by a googol of zeroes or 10^10^100 You might also link it to the wikipedia article http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Googolplex <!-- End request --> [[Special:Contributions/189.100.201.177|189.100.201.177]] ([[User talk:189.100.201.177|talk]]) 16:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC) :[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> by [[User:Jowa fan]]. — [[User:Bility|Bility]] ([[User talk:Bility|talk]]) 18:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC) == SI-derived subsection incomplete == The higher SI prefixes (G, T, P, E, Z, Y) and their associated binary prefixes section should probably be included in that little subsection. Also adding columns to the table for powers of 1000 on one side and powers of 1024 on the other might be helpful. [[User:Trutheality|Trutheality]] ([[User talk:Trutheality|talk]]) 22:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC) :[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[Special:Contributions/130.49.222.251|130.49.222.251]] ([[User talk:130.49.222.251|talk]]) 19:26, 19 May 2011 (UTC) ==Zero is not a natural number== Grrr. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.183.17.214|66.183.17.214]] ([[User talk:66.183.17.214|talk]]) 16:58, 16 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> Actually there's no good consensus on that. Maybe it should be mentioned? It's my personal opinion that the natural numbers do not include 0, so I would prefer to have it that way as well. Check out the article on [[natural numbers]]. [[Special:Contributions/24.9.63.64|24.9.63.64]] ([[User talk:24.9.63.64|talk]]) 19:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC) Shux. I was going to propose "whole numbers," but they appear to be just as ambiguously defined.[[User:Thefifthsetpin|Thefifthsetpin]] ([[User talk:Thefifthsetpin|talk]]) 00:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC) * Read the Peano axioms. What the natural numbers comprise is not a matter of "opinion", but a matter of how a particular author constructs the naturals. If I interpret my Peano 0 as the number 2, I have a perfectly valid (though non-standard) construction of the naturals because it satisfies the Peano axioms. It's reasonable to take it as read that <math>\mathbb{N}</math> can be ambiguous, and math students (and mathematicians) tend to move toward one definition or the other to be used regularly. For instance, number theorists, almost without exception, take <math>\mathbb{N}</math> as <math>\{1,2,3...\}</math>. In computer science and set theory, 0 is often used as the first element. For the sake of clarity, some authors also use <math>\mathbb{N}^*</math> to indicate the set of naturals beginning with 1, with <math>\mathbb{N}</math> simply meaning the set of naturals beginning with 0. Others take the opposite route, <math>\mathbb{N}</math> meaning the set of naturals beginning with 1 and <math>\mathbb{N}^0</math> to be the set beginning with 0. Some even use both. In short, it doesn't matter what a particular person "thinks the natural numbers are". It's a matter of the definition used in a particular context. Remember, "Zero is the most natural of numbers" . [[Special:Contributions/203.11.71.124|203.11.71.124]] ([[User talk:203.11.71.124|talk]]) 04:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC) == Muslims and the number 786 == The article currently states that 786 is "regarded as sacred by some Muslims" and there's a lack of a citation. This is the closest I could find to an authoritative source, an online Islamic school: <ref>{{cite web|title=SunniPath, the Online Islamic Academy|url=http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=688&CATE=115|accessdate=17 May 2011}}</ref> I would rewrite this line of the article to be: "786, used by some Muslims as shorthand for the full Basmala ("In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate"), although there is no such evidence in the Quran or Hadith." [[User:Ronomatic|Ronomatic]] ([[User talk:Ronomatic|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC) Ronomatic :There are currently no reliable sources in any of the WP articles which reference this numerological concept. I dont see this as a relevant number to list here, unless we include many more numbers with numerological importance that DO have sources. I recommend we remove this, along with -40, (trivial fact), 42 (not that well known outside geekdom), 255 (well, it needs more of an explanation besides what is given), 496 (already covered in the section on perfect numbers), and 2147483647 (trivial fact). XKCD is making a valid point: where do we draw the line, since there are two entire infinities of numbers, so there will be hugely many which have some significance. do we simply want this to be a list of every number which has a wikipedia article?[[User:Mercurywoodrose|Mercurywoodrose]] ([[User talk:Mercurywoodrose|talk]]) 01:57, 18 May 2011 (UTC) ::I don't see why not. The page is after all headed "This is a list of articles about numbers". Where do we draw the line? That's easy: if a number isn't notable enough to have a Wikipedia article dedicated to it, then it doesn't belong in this list. (OK, I'm being a bit glib here: I'm sure we'll run into particular numbers that provoke debate, and it won't always be easy. But at least it gives us a clear guideline.) [[User:Jowa fan|Jowa fan]] ([[User talk:Jowa fan|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC) :Ref tags aren't good for talk pages b/c there's no references section. The online Islamic school thing: {{cite web|title=SunniPath, the Online Islamic Academy|url=http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=688&CATE=115|accessdate=17 May 2011}} :A quick search for the right terms leads to find a WP article that explains why 786 is significant: [[Abjad_numerals#Uses_of_the_Abjad_system]], although the references in that article aren't exactly reliable. :[[Special:Contributions/130.49.222.251|130.49.222.251]] ([[User talk:130.49.222.251|talk]]) 18:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC) {{reflist|close=1}} == Article name == Shouldn't the article name be "List of notable numbers"? If it's simply the "List of numbers," then by definition that list will always be shockingly incomplete. [[User:John M Baker|John M Baker]] ([[User talk:John M Baker|talk]]) 14:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC) == Angillion == An Angillion is described as 10 ^5428489264561516262842816564264265846486452918498176459187615465219817 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.127.194.154|75.127.194.154]] ([[User talk:75.127.194.154|talk]]) 19:17, 18 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> I believe it's safe to assume that the pattern of numbers seen here is the same pattern that often arises when randomly pressing fingers against the numbers on a keyboard. [[User:LegendoftheGoldenAges85|LegendoftheGoldenAges85]] ([[User talk:LegendoftheGoldenAges85|talk]]) 06:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC) == Edit request from Lmbreed, 18 May 2011 == {{edit semi-protected|answered=yes}} <!-- Begin request -->Digit incorrect in Transcendentals list, item Logarithm of 2 to base 10: .3002999... should be .30102999... <!-- End request --> [[User:Lmbreed|Lmbreed]] ([[User talk:Lmbreed|talk]]) 23:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC) == What it means? == In article it's said: exp(-W 0(-ln(3^{1/3}))) = 2.47805268028830..., what, when put to the root to itself, is equal to 3 put to the root of itself. What means "put to the root to itself" <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.23.126.86|83.23.126.86]] ([[User talk:83.23.126.86|talk]]) 19:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :Edited. I guess it means that <math>\sqrt[2.47805268028830...]{2.47805268028830...}=\sqrt[3]{3}</math>, just as <math>\sqrt[2]{2}=\sqrt[4]{4}</math>. [[User:Robo37|Robo37]] ([[User talk:Robo37|talk]]) 20:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC) :: That isn't mathematically correct. What you're claiming is essentially that x^(1/x) = some constant, for all x. This is easily disproved - for instance, 2^0.5 = 1.4142...., whereas 1^1 = 1. [[User:Seleucus|Seleucus]] ([[User talk:Seleucus|talk]]) 03:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC) :::Robo37 is right. <math>\sqrt[2.47805268028830...]{2.47805268028830...}=\sqrt[3]{3}=1.4422495703...</math>, and <math>\sqrt[2]{2}=\sqrt[4]{4}=1.4142135623...</math>. Robo37 only gave two different equations and made no claim about all x. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 04:52, 21 August 2011 (UTC) == Natural numbers table == Which numbers should be listed? I was leaning toward ''only'' those with articles (not redirects), and sufficient to include all numbers (at least up to 1{{e|9}}) as a listing. For example, {{num|1729}} need not appear in the table, as it's listed in {{num|1000}}, even though it has a separate article. There's a lot of editwarring in the 21x and 22x range, so I thought I'd try to get some consensus on the talk page. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 01:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC) == bases should be removed == Bases are not numbers, but systems, and have no place on a list of numbers. I propose removing them from this list. [[User:Cliff|Cliff]] ([[User talk:Cliff|talk]]) 16:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC) :No discussion, removing section. [[User:Cliff|Cliff]] ([[User talk:Cliff|talk]]) 17:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC) ===ALL non-actual-number stuff should be removed as OFF TOPIC=== I concur with [[User:Cliff|Cliff]] and expand on it: Most of this article isn't about numbers, but ''amounts of things'' which, with units, only ''happen'' to have a "number" associated with the amounts. And worse, these "numbers" (which are really "amounts") can be ''different'' depending on the units and can be represented in different ways depending on base (and choice of symbols, etc.). Any discussion of numbers as anything other than a location on a number line (or complex plane) '''''is not a discussion about numbers'''''. This article needs to remove anything with units, anything mystical-only, and anything "cultural"-only, etc.. Such material, included as it currently is, makes this article a ''big stupid mishmash''. [[Special:Contributions/108.7.2.45|108.7.2.45]] ([[User talk:108.7.2.45|talk]]) 16:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC) :Sounds reasonable. Why not make a list here for discussion? [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] ([[User talk:Rklawton|talk]]) 17:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC) == Two numbers mentioned on this program I saw that weren't well described and aren't on this article. == I was watching [http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0137xfr/The_Code_Prediction/ this program] called [[The Code (UK TV series)|The Code]] which specifically mentions two numbers, one just under 3.57 wich is described as the point between predictable things and chaos, and one thay's roughly 1.15 which is said to be how much more "possitive" something gets when you double it. What are these numbers? [[User:Robo37|Robo37]] ([[User talk:Robo37|talk]]) 17:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC) :The first number, just under 3.57, probably refers to the parameter value of the [[logistic map]] at which its behaviour becomes chaotic. This is not an especially notable number, as it is specific to this particular map - the [[Feigenbaum constant]]s are more universal and more notable in this area. I don't have any ideas about your second number, but you could try asking at the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics|Mathematics Reference Desk]]. [[User:Gandalf61|Gandalf61]] ([[User talk:Gandalf61|talk]]) 08:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC) ::Thanks for the help. [[User:Robo37|Robo37]] ([[User talk:Robo37|talk]]) 11:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC) ==Edit request to fix an inconsistency.== The section on natural numbers starts with 0. The notable numbers section says that 1 is the smallest natural number. Of course, 0 is smaller (less than) than 1. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.190.185.8|172.190.185.8]] ([[User talk:172.190.185.8|talk]]) 20:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :People don't agree on whether or not 0 is a natural number: see the page [[natural number]]. I've changed the notable integers section so that it doesn't mention natural numbers at all. [[User:Jowa fan|Jowa fan]] ([[User talk:Jowa fan|talk]]) 06:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC) == Exponents == The reason for the exponent notation, is to show what '''bi'''llion is in the two systems: 1000^1+'''2''' in the short scale, and 1000000^'''2''' in the long scale. Fractional exponents are not how the numbers are thought of. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 07:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC) ==Transcendence of -2W(1/2)== So -2W(1/2), the solution to exp(x)=x^2, is listed as a "suspected transcendental," and I'm wondering why... It's pretty straightforward to show, using the Lindemann-Weierstrass Theorem, that W(r) for any rational number r must be transcendental (Let z=W(r), so r=ze^z. If z is algebraic, then r/z = e^z should be algebraic. But e^z is transcendental for any nonzero algebraic z, a contradiction - see [[Omega constant]] for an example). Can this be moved to the list of transcendentals? - [[User:japanada|japanada]] [[User talk:japanada|(talk)]] 21:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC) UPDATE: I went ahead and changed it for now. Feel free to change it back if I'm wrong. [[User:Japanada|Japanada]] ([[User talk:Japanada|talk]]) 22:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC) : Do you have source for that? Your proof is nothing like a formal proof but in any case you cannot rely on your own mathematical reasoning except for the most trivial calculations; see [[WP:CALC]].--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 22:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC) :: Unfortunately I couldn't find any sources quoting that fact, so I changed it back for now. But if anyone out there knows of any sources, it would be really good to know (just as a side note, I found this fact referenced on the [[transcendental numbers]] page, but it wasn't cited there either). Unfortunately it seems as though most mathematicians would consider it too trivial, at least after Lindemann-Weierstrass, to ever publish the result, so I'm doubtful if it'll ever be documented in an official source, and since it's not a totally routine calculation either, it looks like this list might never be completely accurate... [[User:Japanada|Japanada]] ([[User talk:Japanada|talk]]) 01:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC) ==69105== If 69105 is included in Wikipedia, why isn't it here? Isn't this a number index <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/189.110.31.68|189.110.31.68]] ([[User talk:189.110.31.68|talk]]) 04:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :There are a "number" of included numbers in the list at [[List of numbers#Notable integers]], but not all the numbers with their own article are there. [[69105 (number)|69105]] doesn't seem all that notable to me, but perhaps a separate entry there ''could'' be justified. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 05:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC) == Natural numbers table comment == I added an invisible comment: "Per consensus established so long ago I can't find it, this table only includes ''articles'', not ''redirects'', and is intended to include articles at least pointing to all the articles on "small" (less than 10¹⁰) numbers. If someone has a different idea of consensus for what should be in this section, please discuss." Any comments? — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 17:30, 3 October 2014 (UTC) == Wow. == I cannot believe someone took time out of their day TO MAKE A LIST OF NUMBERS. --[[User:SuprKidd]] ([[User talk:SuprKidd|talk]]) 03:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC) :The main purpose for some of the sections, especially the natural numbers, is to provide links to articles about the numbers. But Wikipedia editors do spend time on some topics which seem odd to many. See [[Wikipedia:Unusual articles]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC) == Article name, redux == Anyone object to renaming the article "List of notable numbers" from its current name "List of numbers", as per the suggestion [[Talk:List of numbers#Article name|above]]? As some of the discussion on this page shows, the current name is silly. [[User:Loraof|Loraof]] ([[User talk:Loraof|talk]]) 23:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC) :I support this rename. [[User:Jamgoodman|Jamgoodman]] ([[User talk:Jamgoodman|talk]]) 10:39, 30 April 2019 (UTC) == Why are there two references to Christianity? == Either we need to include all of the major world religions and their notable numbers, or none of them. My opinion would be if someone wanted to start an article about notable numbers in religion (or notable numbers is Christianity) then they should do so and leave it out of this article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A04:1980:3100:1AAC:E61D:2DFF:FE29:F221|2A04:1980:3100:1AAC:E61D:2DFF:FE29:F221]] ([[User talk:2A04:1980:3100:1AAC:E61D:2DFF:FE29:F221|talk]]) 22:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> The reverence attached to mathematical meaning is lost either at 42 being the Meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything, or at 69 for the reference to the sex position. If we are doing culturally relevant numbers, the best-selling (and probably most venerated) book ever should be included over a 1979 paperback. [[Special:Contributions/124.171.69.178|124.171.69.178]] ([[User talk:124.171.69.178|talk]]) 12:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC) == External links modified == Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified one external link on [[List of numbers]]. Please take a moment to review [[special:diff/818027275|my edit]]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes: *Added archive http://webarchive.loc.gov/all/20011125134506/http://pages.prodigy.net/jhonig/bignum/indx.html to http://pages.prodigy.net/jhonig/bignum/indx.html When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. {{sourcecheck|checked=false|needhelp=}} Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 02:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC) == This article is infinitely incomplete. == Is that encyclopedic?[[User:Marburns|Marvin Ray Burns]] ([[User talk:Marburns|talk]]) 12:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC) :No, especially not when the previous sentence says "This is a list of articles about numbers". I have removed it.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_numbers&diff=890458756&oldid=889963049] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC) ::However, It might not be too great of an idea to, somehow, imply that this article is complete! This article started out saying that this article may be incomplete, which sounds right to me.[[User:Marburns|Marvin Ray Burns]] ([[User talk:Marburns|talk]]) 17:34, 1 April 2019 (UTC) :::I dont think it's implied to be complete. "may be incomplete" sounds like there is a goal to be complete in some sense. If it sounds like it's OK to add any random Wikipedia article about numbers then I oppose it. It's a list of selected articles with no clear inclusion criteria. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:35, 1 April 2019 (UTC) :::: Hi, {{reply to|PrimeHunter}}. I completely agree that this comes across as a list of selected articles with no clear inclusion criteria. I've been wading through the same issue at [[List of Mathematical Constants]] and have left some thoughts in the talk page there. Both lists are complete messes and need to be sorted out. I'd like to make a more clear cut set of inclusion criteria incorporating the notability of the numbers, the number of times they've been referenced in academic literature, whether they have their own Wikipedia article and so on. What are your thoughts on this? Obviously, a list of numbers will contain many infinite sets and can never be complete. So its entries must be cherry picked. I think a foreword about the incompleteness of the list is also a good idea, but probably in such a way that doesn't imply that any uninteresting number should be added. Happy editing, Jam. [[User:Jamgoodman|Jamgoodman]] ([[User talk:Jamgoodman|talk]]) 11:45, 15 April 2019 (UTC) == Proposal: Move "alternate names" columns to [[Numeral_(linguistics)]] == The alternate names listed in this article are a mess. Furthermore, they have little relation to the numbers listed in the article as mathematical objects, they are only relevant to linguistic discussions. I propose that those columns be moved to tables in the [[Numeral_(linguistics)]] article. [[User:Jamgoodman|Jamgoodman]] ([[User talk:Jamgoodman|talk]]) 13:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC) == To do (2019-04-30) == I've outlined some tasks that I think should be done to the article and ordered them by priority: * Find a way of tidying up the natural numbers section. I've rearranged and included what is, to my mind, the most sensible way of organising the section but it's left with too many headers and inconsistent formatting. * Establish and enact a clear-cut set of criteria for inclusion in the article. This is also an issue pertinent to [[list of mathematical constants]]. Similarly, all numbers that do not fulfil the criteria for notability should be removed from the article. Including both pi and 1/pi is redundant. I think the criteria should include (1) being referenced in a set number (e.g. 3) academic papers, (2) having its own Wiki article and (3) having a specific name. * Remove or cut down the column detailing the notability of the algebraic irrational numbers. There is far too much fluff and irrelevant details here; all we need is a brief few sentences detailing why a number is notable. Saying that a number is the "Length of the diagonal of a 1 × √10 rectangle. " is not a case for notability. How often do you encounter a rectangle of length 1 by √10? * Detail the notability of all numbers in the article, except perhaps the small natural numbers. * Give references for whether each number is irrational, transcendental, etc. I don't expect anyone to systematically go through the entire article but over the next few years, if each person could find one reference for each constant, it would dramatically improve the quality of the article. * Sort each sub-list by the constants' names or decimal expansions. * Improve leads. * Cut down the decimal expansions of each number to a set length of digits. Giving (as is the case for some numbers) 30 digits is just fluff. If someone wants to find the full decimal expansion of a number, they can go to oeis.org, not Wikipedia. [[User:Jamgoodman|Jamgoodman]] ([[User talk:Jamgoodman|talk]]) 09:57, 30 April 2019 (UTC) == Requested move 30 April 2019 == <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top --> :''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. '' The result of the move request was: Not moved per [[WP:CONCISE]] and consensus {{RMnac}} [[User:Zppix|Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ]] [[User Talk:Zppix|_Talk]] 12:38, 7 May 2019 (UTC) ---- [[:List of numbers]] → {{no redirect|List of notable numbers}} – The list is, by definition, incomplete. The best it can be is a list of particularly notable numbers. The page title should reflect that. [[User:Jamgoodman|Jamgoodman]] ([[User talk:Jamgoodman|talk]]) 10:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC) *'''Support''', the only meaningful way to title the page. Thanks for the thoughtful nomination. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 14:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' per [[WP:CONCISE]] and [[WP:NCLIST]]: "''the detailed criteria for inclusion should be described in the lead, and a reasonably concise title should be chosen for the list. Best practice is to avoid words like notable, famous, noted, prominent, etc. in the title of a list article''." Besides which, not all the numbers are necessarily more "notable" than other numbers, as explained in the lead. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 18:19, 30 April 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' it doesn't appear the word "notable" is included in lists even if they only include "notable" ones such as [[List of people from Epsom]]. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 18:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC) *'''Oppose''': while [[WP:NOTABLE|notability]] is a criteria for judging whether topics belong in the encyclopedia, we shouldn't be using [[WP:PUFFERY|words like ''notable'']] in Wikipedia's voice, since notability is ultimately subjective, and we [[WP:WIKIVOICE|shouldn't state]] subjective opinion as fact. Existing title satisfies [[WP:LISTNAME|list-naming criteria]] by being [[WP:CONCISE|reasonably concise]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 00:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC) ---- :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section.''<!-- Template:RM bottom --></div> == Table of natural numbers == I think the current form has negative value... (copied from current copy of the page) <!-- Per consensus established so long ago I can't find it, this section only includes ''articles'', not ''redirects'', and is intended to include articles at least pointing to all the articles on "small" (less than 10^10) numbers. 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|[[10000 (number)|10000]] |[[20000 (number)|20000]] |[[30000 (number)|30000]] |[[40000 (number)|40000]] |[[50000 (number)|50000]] |[[60000 (number)|60000]] |[[70000 (number)|70000]] |[[80000 (number)|80000]] |[[90000 (number)|90000]] |- |[[100000 (number)|10⁵]] |[[1000000 (number)|10⁶]] |[[10000000 (number)|10⁷]] |[[100000000 (number)|10⁸]] |[[1000000000 (number)|10⁹]] |[[10000000000 (number)|10¹⁰]] |[[Googol|10¹⁰⁰]] |[[Googolplex|10^10¹⁰⁰]] | colspan="3" |[[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|Larger numbers]] |} I think the previously spaced (2018) form was better; after modification, it would be: <!-- Per consensus established so long ago I can't find it, this section only includes ''articles'', not ''redirects'', and is intended to include articles at least pointing to all the articles on "small" (less than 10^10) numbers. If someone has a different idea of consensus for what should be in this section, please discuss. --> {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" style="text-align:center;" |+ class="nowrap" |Table of small natural numbers. 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|[[193 (number)|193]] |[[194 (number)|194]] |[[195 (number)|195]] |[[196 (number)|196]] |[[197 (number)|197]] |[[198 (number)|198]] |[[199 (number)|199]] |- |[[200 (number)|200]] |[[201 (number)|201]] |[[202 (number)|202]] |[[203 (number)|203]] |[[204 (number)|204]] |[[205 (number)|205]] |[[206 (number)|206]] |[[207 (number)|207]] |[[208 (number)|208]] |[[209 (number)|209]] |- |[[210 (number)|210]] |[[211 (number)|211]] |[[212 (number)|212]] |[[213 (number)|213]] |[[214 (number)|214]] |[[215 (number)|215]] |[[216 (number)|216]] |[[217 (number)|217]] |[[218 (number)|218]] |[[219 (number)|219]] |- |[[220 (number)|220]] |[[221 (number)|221]] |[[222 (number)|222]] |[[223 (number)|223]] |[[224 (number)|224]] |[[225 (number)|225]] |[[226 (number)|226]] |[[227 (number)|227]] |[[228 (number)|228]] |[[229 (number)|229]] |- |[[230 (number)|230]] |[[231 (number)|231]] |[[232 (number)|232]] |[[233 (number)|233]] |[[234 (number)|234]] |[[235 (number)|235]] |[[236 (number)|236]] |[[237 (number)|237]] |[[238 (number)|238]] |[[239 (number)|239]] |- |[[240 (number)|240]] |[[241 (number)|241]] |[[242 (number)|242]] |[[243 (number)|243]] |[[244 (number)|244]] |[[245 (number)|245]] |[[246 (number)|246]] |[[247 (number)|247]] |[[248 (number)|248]] |[[249 (number)|249]] |- |[[250 (number)|250]] |[[251 (number)|251]] |[[252 (number)|252]] |[[253 (number)|253]] |[[254 (number)|254]] |[[255 (number)|255]] |[[256 (number)|256]] |[[257 (number)|257]] |[[258 (number)|258]] |[[259 (number)|259]] |- |[[260 (number)|260]] |[[261 (number)|261]] | | | | | | | | |- | | | | | | | |[[270 (number)|270]] |[[280 (number)|280]] |[[290 (number)|290]] |- | | | |[[300 (number)|300]] |[[400 (number)|400]] |[[500 (number)|500]] |[[600 (number)|600]] |[[700 (number)|700]] |[[800 (number)|800]] |[[900 (number)|900]] |- | |[[1000 (number)|1000]] |[[2000 (number)|2000]] |[[3000 (number)|3000]] |[[4000 (number)|4000]] |[[5000 (number)|5000]] |[[6000 (number)|6000]] |[[7000 (number)|7000]] |[[8000 (number)|8000]] |[[9000 (number)|9000]] |- | |[[10000 (number)|10000]] |[[20000 (number)|20000]] |[[30000 (number)|30000]] |[[40000 (number)|40000]] |[[50000 (number)|50000]] |[[60000 (number)|60000]] |[[70000 (number)|70000]] |[[80000 (number)|80000]] |[[90000 (number)|90000]] |- | | | | | |[[100000 (number)|10⁵]] |[[1000000 (number)|10⁶]] |[[10000000 (number)|10⁷]] |[[100000000 (number)|10⁸]] |[[1000000000 (number)|10⁹]] |- | [[Googol|10¹⁰⁰]] | [[Googolplex|10^10¹⁰⁰]] | colspan="8" |[[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|Numbers larger than the previous row]] |} In addition to respacing (and removing the, now misplaced, blank line), I suggest #Removing 10{{sup|10}}, as it's a redirect #Explaining that the "Larger numbers" link ''includes'' [[Google]] and [[Googleplex]] #Removing "sortable", because it isn't, really. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 02:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC) : Hi Arthur. I'm the guilty party who changed the table from what it originally was. I did so because I thought the large, inconsistent gaps made for very awkward formatting. But what if we took some of the larger numbers out of the table? I don't think it makes much sense having them all in the same table since it's effectively a list with gaps in it. I think your other three suggestions are good and I support them. [[User:Jamgoodman|Jamgoodman]] ([[User talk:Jamgoodman|talk]]) 10:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC) :: {{ping|Jamgoodman}} I don't see it as a list with gaps. I see it as multiple lists; spacing by 1s, by 10s, spacing by first digit (300&ndash;900, 1000&ndash;9000, 10000&ndash;90000), by number of digits (10{{sup|5}}&ndash;10{{sup|9}}), and miscellaneous larger numbers. Perhaps they don't have to start so that the numbers are in columns 0&ndash;9, but that shows the patterns of the respective lists. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 09:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC) :: {{ping|Jamgoodman}} How about ending with .... {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" |- |[[260 (number)|260]] |[[261 (number)|261]] | | | | | |[[270 (number)|270]] |[[280 (number)|280]] |[[290 (number)|290]] |- | | | |[[300 (number)|300]] |[[400 (number)|400]] |[[500 (number)|500]] |[[600 (number)|600]] |[[700 (number)|700]] |[[800 (number)|800]] |[[900 (number)|900]] |- | |[[1000 (number)|1000]] |[[2000 (number)|2000]] |[[3000 (number)|3000]] |[[4000 (number)|4000]] |[[5000 (number)|5000]] |[[6000 (number)|6000]] |[[7000 (number)|7000]] |[[8000 (number)|8000]] |[[9000 (number)|9000]] |- | |[[10000 (number)|10000]] |[[20000 (number)|20000]] |[[30000 (number)|30000]] |[[40000 (number)|40000]] |[[50000 (number)|50000]] |[[60000 (number)|60000]] |[[70000 (number)|70000]] |[[80000 (number)|80000]] |[[90000 (number)|90000]] |- |[[100000 (number)|10⁵]] |[[1000000 (number)|10⁶]] |[[10000000 (number)|10⁷]] |[[100000000 (number)|10⁸]] |[[1000000000 (number)|10⁹]] | colspan="5"| [[Orders of magnitude|larger numbers]], including [[Googol|10¹⁰⁰]] and[[Googolplex|10^10¹⁰⁰]] |} ::Only one more row than your compressed table, and you can see the pattern of the table. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 10:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC) :::That looks like an improvement. [[User:Newystats|Newystats]] ([[User talk:Newystats|talk]]) 05:30, 7 August 2019 (UTC) :::: Done. [[User:Lennart97|Lennart97]] ([[User talk:Lennart97|talk]]) 11:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC) == Cleanup == I'd love to see the warning about 'indiscriminate, excessive or irrelevant examples' disappear from the top of this article. To achieve this, I've started a cleanup based on one clear inclusion criterium that the article has: 'only add links to numbers that have articles'. There are certainly more to be removed, but I've started by removing the following: * from '''Algebraic numbers''': the square roots of 6, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 12. * from '''Transcedental numbers''': the reciprocals of e and pi, the Riemann Zeta function at s=2 and s=4, and the base ten logarithm of e. * from '''Real numbers''': all red-linked numbers, being Barban's constant, Murata's constant, Van der Pauw's constant, the quadratic class number constant, Sarnak's constant, the carefree and strongly carefree constant, Taniguchi's constant, and the Continued Fraction Constant. Please let me know if you oppose any of these removals! Also let me know about any other numbers that you feel should be removed. [[User:Lennart97|Lennart97]] ([[User talk:Lennart97|talk]]) 14:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC) :More removals: * from '''List of integers notable for their cultural meanings''': any number for which the significance does not lie in the number itself, but in a number of X, whether X is fingers on a hand, players in a football team or years lived until one can vote. Also removed Catch-22. * from '''List of integers notable for their use in units, measurements and scales''': 25 (number of cents in a quarter), doesn't seem particularly notable. To this section I have added 12, since it is notable both for use in units/measurements as well as culturally (it was already present in the cultural section). As for '''List of integers notable in computing''', I'd like some input from someone more familiar with computing. It seems to me like the powers of two related to 8-, 16-, 32- and 64-bit systems are definitely notable, but currently there is no consistency in listing either or both of 2^x (number of combinations) and 2^x-1 (integer maximum value). As for the 'most popular RSA public key prime exponent' and the 'hexadecimal million', I simply have no idea whether they are notable. [[User:Lennart97|Lennart97]] ([[User talk:Lennart97|talk]]) 22:33, 29 November 2020 (UTC) Anyway, while there is still a lot to improve on this article, I don't think the 'example farm' template is still justified, so I've removed it. [[User:Lennart97|Lennart97]] ([[User talk:Lennart97|talk]]) 21:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC) == iⁱ == The imaginary unit raised to itself, iⁱ ca. 0.20787957 could be added to the list <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2001:6B0:E:2B18:0:0:0:80|2001:6B0:E:2B18:0:0:0:80]] ([[User talk:2001:6B0:E:2B18:0:0:0:80#top|talk]]) 05:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :It could, but why is that number notable? [[User:Lennart97|Lennart97]] ([[User talk:Lennart97|talk]]) 13:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC) == 262 has a page == Shouldn't it be added to the natural nunber table? [[Special:Contributions/5.144.48.81|5.144.48.81]] ([[User talk:5.144.48.81|talk]]) 21:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC) :{{done}} Thanks for pointing this out. <span id="Certes:1654036596578:TalkFTTCLNList_of_numbers" class="FTTCmt">[[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 22:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)</span> == Science behind numbers == I want it to be all about numbers about their science [[Special:Contributions/76.68.27.99|76.68.27.99]] ([[User talk:76.68.27.99|talk]]) 11:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC) : Could you make that more specific? —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 06:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC) == 9;999 == '''Bold''' ~~~~'